Proof of that there is one God

[The Irish Ram]

Because of the numeric writing God used. Man can't duplicate it.

 

[September]

the name may vary from language to language or from culture to another culture.

but any human believes in one God, is really believing in allah.

Not even close. The God of Abraham has a Son. Allah has no son. That is so important to Muslims, that it is written across the dome in Jerusalem.
The God of Abraham described Hagar's descendants before there were any. Allah is a corruption of the God of Abraham, because Ishmael wanted God's blessing to fall on him and not his half brother.

"God", "YHWH", and "Allah" all describe the same being.

Even though Judaism, Christianity, and Islam all have different culture, rituals, and ways of worshipping and understanding YHWH... these religions have a great deal of things in common, because they all worship the same deity.

In their own ways, they all worship YHWH.

In my own way, I worship YHWH.

Not as a Christian, or as a Jew, a Muslim, or a Catholic... but as a monolatristic, perhaps even henotheistic, Pagan, do I worship YHWH.
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[The Irish Ram]

If one has a son, and one does not, how are they the same? The biggest mistake you can make is to believe that The God of Abraham is merely one of many, or that one God fits all. They absolutely do not. What is the same about, "Love one another." and, "kill everyone that isn't Muslim". One has a Son that took the punishment of sin off of our shoulders. Find that in the Torah of Qur'an.

God is not a Pagan.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

There's only one. And He promises to fight on Israel's behalf from now until His Son returns. He said who's side He's on.

According to whom?

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Because of the numeric writing God used. Man can't duplicate it.

Gibberish.


Man wrote the bible, a reflection of his ignorance, hate, and fear.

 

[Hollie]

Because of the numeric writing God used. Man can't duplicate it.

You're suggesting that the gods actually wrote the bibles?

 

[BillyP]

So what happens to me if I don't obey Allah and beat my wife? So those Muslims who tyrannize others are going where? Do you have a hell? With no virgins? Just slappers?
And do you wipe your ass with an uneven number of rocks like the real Mo described for good Muslims? Or are you a fake Muslim?

although it is clear that you are mocking, it is good chance to highlight some of islamic regulations:

1) Allah declared both men and women to be responsible and accounted for their actions.

Allah says:

إِنَّ الْمُسْلِمِينَ وَالْمُسْلِمَاتِ وَالْمُؤْمِنِينَ وَالْمُؤْمِنَاتِ وَالْقَانِتِينَ وَالْقَانِتَاتِ وَالصَّادِقِينَ وَالصَّادِقَاتِ وَالصَّابِرِينَ وَالصَّابِرَاتِ وَالْخَاشِعِينَ وَالْخَاشِعَاتِ وَالْمُتَصَدِّقِينَ وَالْمُتَصَدِّقَاتِ وَالصَّائِمِينَ وَالصَّائِمَاتِ وَالْحَافِظِينَ فُرُوجَهُمْ وَالْحَافِظَاتِ وَالذَّاكِرِينَ اللَّهَ كَثِيرًا وَالذَّاكِرَاتِ أَعَدَّ اللَّهُ لَهُمْ مَغْفِرَةً وَأَجْرًا عَظِيمًا (35)

which its meaning is translated as:

{Indeed, the Muslim men and Muslim women, the believing men and believing women, the obedient men and obedient women, the truthful men and truthful women, the patient men and patient women, the humble men and humble women, the charitable men and charitable women, the fasting men and fasting women, the men who guard their private parts and the women who do so, and the men who remember Allah often and the women who do so - for them Allah has prepared forgiveness and a great reward.}

Allah assigned both men and women a complementary rights/responsibilities. they are not assigned the same roles because they are different. Men is given a supervisory role in which they are responsible to take care of women, defend them from dangers, they should afford family, children and their wives' own expenses. women are not responsible for such task, even if they get divorced, the father is responsible to children's expenses not the mother. the women are ordered to obeys their husband within the scope of legal actions. in the extreme condition that a woman behaves in a bad manner, her husband is ordered to give her advice, be apart on bed, hit her.

الرِّجَالُ قَوَّامُونَ عَلَى النِّسَاءِ بِمَا فَضَّلَ اللَّهُ بَعْضَهُمْ عَلَى بَعْضٍ وَبِمَا أَنْفَقُوا مِنْ أَمْوَالِهِمْ فَالصَّالِحَاتُ قَانِتَاتٌ حَافِظَاتٌ لِلْغَيْبِ بِمَا حَفِظَ اللَّهُ وَاللَّاتِي تَخَافُونَ نُشُوزَهُنَّ فَعِظُوهُنَّ وَاهْجُرُوهُنَّ فِي الْمَضَاجِعِ وَاضْرِبُوهُنَّ فَإِنْ أَطَعْنَكُمْ فَلَا تَبْغُوا عَلَيْهِنَّ سَبِيلًا إِنَّ اللَّهَ كَانَ عَلِيًّا كَبِيرًا (34)

which its meaning is translated as
{
Men are in charge of women by what Allah has given one over the other and what they spend from their wealth. So righteous women are devoutly obedient, guarding in absence what Allah would have them guard. But those from whom you fear arrogance - advise them; , forsake them in bed; and , strike them. But if they obey you , seek no means against them. Indeed, Allah is ever Exalted and Grand.
}

The Messenger instructed muslims not to mis-use their supervisory role over women as he said:

وعن عمرو بن الأحوض الجشمي رضي الله عنه أنه سمع النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم في حجة الوداع يقول بعد أن حمد الله تعالى، وأثنى عليه وذكر ووعظ، ثم قال‏:‏ ‏"‏ألا واستوصوا بالنساء خيرًا فإنما هن عوانٍ عندكم ليس تملكون منهن شيئا غير ذلك إلا أن يأتين بفاحشة مبينة، فإن فعلن فاهجروهن في المضاجع، واضربوهن ضربا غير مبرح، فإن أطعنكم فلا تبغوا عليهن سبيلا، ألا إن لكم على نسائكم حقا، ولنسائكم عليكم حقا، فحقكم عليهن أن لا يوطئن فرشكم من تكرهون، ولا يأذن في بيوتكم لمن تكرهون، ألا وحقهن عليكم أن تحسنوا إليهن في كسوتهن وطعامهن‏"‏ ‏(‏‏(‏رواه الترمذي وقال ‏:‏ حديث حسن صحيح‏)‏‏)‏‏.‏

which is translated as: (not perfect translation but reasonable)

Amr bin Al-Ahwas Al-Jushami (May Allah be pleased with him) reported that he had heard the Prophet (ﷺ) saying on his Farewell Pilgrimage, after praising and glorifying Allah and admonishing people, "Treat women kindly, they are like captives in your hands; you do not owe anything else from them. In case they are guilty of open indecency, then do not share their beds and beat them lightly but if they return to obedience, do not have recourse to anything else against them. You have rights over your wives and they have their rights over you. Your right is that they shall not permit anyone you dislike to enter your home, and their right is that you should treat them well in the matter of food and clothing".

2) Muslims were instruct to keep clean, The Messenger (peace be upon him) ordered muslims to do (wadu) before every pray, washing their hands, legs and faces,.. etc. Muslims were advised to use (swak) to clean their tooth, they were even given instructions how to (yestnja) (the word that describes what you said) by either water or stones. those that live in places where water is available will use water for better, those that lives in places where very little is available sufficient only for drinking had the option of using rocks.

Islam is not destined to a specific group of people like city residents or desert residents or others, it is destined for all people in all environments ,so its regulations are versatile enough to satisfy various conditions of people.

So why would a woman want to be in a religion that allows men to beat them?
And do you wipe your ass with just water, or just rocks? Or aren't you a real Muslim?
And what's the deal with kissing carpets 5 times a day? Sound a little excessive, no?

 

[The Irish Ram]

You're suggesting that the gods actually wrote the bibles?

You have an s problem. God wrote the Bible.

 

[September]

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God is not a Pagan.

What a profound spiritual revelation.
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[Mohamed]

So why would a woman want to be in a religion that allows men to beat them?
.....

a devout muslim woman will be obedient to her husband and a devout muslim man should be merciful with his obedient wife and not to hit or mistreat her.

if your objection is on that a wife should be obedient to her husband, so why you accept that the same woman got to work and be obedient to her boss / manager?

if your objection on the exceptionally allowed hitting action, so why you may be accepting parents hit their children?

we are subjected to many constraints in this life, you should study and be educated to have a good career. you should work to have money... you will be an old weak man or die sooner or later, we all have no choice of this and wise people adopt to these conditions.

worshiping the God and praying and putting you front to land and prostrate to the God is one of these constraints imposed on you. Those who refuse to do so, will be destinated to the hell.
so it is wise to accept that as you accept other forms of constraints.

 

[Hollie]

So why would a woman want to be in a religion that allows men to beat them?
.....

a devout muslim woman will be obedient to her husband and a devout muslim man should be merciful with his obedient wife and not to hit or mistreat her.

if your objection is on that a wife should be obedient to her husband, so why you accept that the same woman got to work and be obedient to her boss / manager?

if your objection on the exceptionally allowed hitting action, so why you may be accepting parents hit their children?

we are subjected to many constraints in this life, you should study and be educated to have a good career. you should work to have money... you will be an old weak man or die sooner or later, we all have no choice of this and wise people adopt to these conditions.

worshiping the God and praying and putting you front to land and prostrate to the God is one of these constraints imposed on you. Those who refuse to do so, will be destinated to the hell.
so it is wise to accept that as you accept other forms of constraints.

Men have authority over women because God has made the one superior to the other, and because they spend their wealth to maintain them. Good women are obedient. They guard their unseen parts because God has guarded them. As for those from whom you fear disobedience, admonish them and forsake them in beds apart, and beat them. Then if they obey you, take no further action against them. Surely God is high, supreme. —Koran 4:34


Women are your fields: go, then, into your fields whence you please. Koran 2:223


Women shall with justice have rights similar to those exercised against them, although men have a status above women. Koran 2:228

 

[bodecea]

The fact that there is God and that he is only one is obvious and simply proved, it is independent of any religion.

we should first consider three points:

1) The universe is constrained by fixed laws, all beings dead or alive are constrained by these law.

2) The world is very complicated and well designed system, it should be designed by alive and capable entity.

3) The complicated systems in this world sustain to work, even with the many sources of degradation and randomness.

these three points leads directly to the conclusion that the world is created, supervised and constrained by an alive entity which shouldn't be constrained by any physical laws (otherwise it is part of the world not the creator of it).


why this entity should be unique?

assume it is not unique, and there is many entities that are unconstrained by any physical laws.

it is either one of them is more (stronger) than the others that means those others have constraints put on them by the stronger entity..... but this means they are not really unconstrained entities, they are like any other living being that are constrained.

or no one of them is more stronger than the others so every one of them is constrained by the others, but this means none of them are unconstrained.

in the two cases (or any other cases you can think of) there is a contradiction with the assumption that they are unconstrained.

so there is only one entity....... The God ..... Allah.

Allah is not constrained by any physical law, he is the creator, supervisor of all world including earth, skies, galaxies and every thing. The laws that govern this world is imposed by God.

It's one Goddess....creation is of the female.

 

[The Irish Ram]

Sorry Bode, but I trust Christ to know what He's talking about. Christ called our Father, Daddy. Abba. He only called Him God, once. It was always Daddy.

 

[The Irish Ram]

"God", "YHWH", and "Allah" all describe the same being.

Even though Judaism, Christianity, and Islam all have different culture, rituals, and ways of worshipping and understanding YHWH... these religions have a great deal of things in common, because they all worship the same deity.

In their own ways, they all worship YHWH.

In my own way, I worship YHWH.
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Not as a Christian, or as a Jew, a Muslim, or a Catholic... but as a monolatristic, perhaps even henotheistic, Pagan, do I worship YHWH.

Ash, If you worship YHWH does that mean you believe what He says?
Satan and Christ had things in common too. They quoted the same scripture. Does that make them the same?
God has a Son. Allah takes pride in not having a son. How are they the same deity?

 

[THE LIGHT]

Is Allah the same God as the Christian God?

No

 

[THE LIGHT]

It's one Goddess....creation is of the female.

Elohim is male in gender and plural in form. So no Allah and no female deity.

 

[THE LIGHT]

The fact that there is God and that he is only one is obvious and simply proved, it is independent of any religion.

we should first consider three points:

1) The universe is constrained by fixed laws, all beings dead or alive are constrained by these law.

2) The world is very complicated and well designed system, it should be designed by alive and capable entity.

3) The complicated systems in this world sustain to work, even with the many sources of degradation and randomness.

these three points leads directly to the conclusion that the world is created, supervised and constrained by an alive entity which shouldn't be constrained by any physical laws (otherwise it is part of the world not the creator of it).


why this entity should be unique?

assume it is not unique, and there is many entities that are unconstrained by any physical laws.

it is either one of them is more (stronger) than the others that means those others have constraints put on them by the stronger entity..... but this means they are not really unconstrained entities, they are like any other living being that are constrained.

or no one of them is more stronger than the others so every one of them is constrained by the others, but this means none of them are unconstrained.

in the two cases (or any other cases you can think of) there is a contradiction with the assumption that they are unconstrained.

so there is only one entity....... The God ..... Allah.

Allah is not constrained by any physical law, he is the creator, supervisor of all world including earth, skies, galaxies and every thing. The laws that govern this world is imposed by God.

Muslims pride themselves in the fact that they don't have to answer the question "why didn't you believe in the prophet Mohamed and his teachings."

My question to you. When you face God and he asks you "Why did you believe the prophet Mohamed and his teachings" What will you answer? If Mohamed is supposedly second in command to God how is it he took orders from an angel?

 

[THE LIGHT]

YHWH is ALLAH who is also GOD, who has been called ADONAI, who is also known as ELOHIM, among many other names.
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Um... No

The God of the Bible is slow to anger and merciful. The god of Islam is capricious and ruthless.
The God of the Bible hates lying. The god of Islam permits it.

Allah is the moon god or Baal which was forbidden to be worshiped by the God of the Bible.
Allah has no son. YHWH has a Son called YASHUA.

 

[September]

YHWH is ALLAH who is also GOD, who has been called ADONAI, who is also known as ELOHIM, among many other names.
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Um... No.

The God of the Bible is slow to anger and merciful.

"Slow to anger and merciful"?

How ignorant can Xians be?

Perhaps it is time that you read through the Old Testament from beginning to end.
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[Delta4Embassy]

Um... No

The God of the Bible is slow to anger and merciful. The god of Islam is capricious and ruthless.
The God of the Bible hates lying. The god of Islam permits it.

Allah is the moon god or Baal which was forbidden to be worshiped by the God of the Bible.
Allah has no son. YHWH has a Son called YASHUA.

The deity of Judaism is the deity of Christianity and Islam. Get over it. Sheesh.