Practice Saying "ACA"

[g5000]

Obamacare will die out as soon as the subsidies die out.. Which by the way the law is written in about three more years..

You need to read up on the law. The most states will ever have to pay is like 10% of the cost. States that took the Medicare expansion aren't going to stop.

More proof that the far left does not know the law.

But then again you have to pass it before you read it..

Link!

 

[g5000]

Kosh is a dumb shit.

The subsidies do not expire. Until 2019, they increase by the CPI plus the difference between the CPI and the amount of inflation for health care. After 2019, they increase only by the CPI.


Here is how you link to evidence, Kosh: http://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/fi...1xx/doc12188/05-12-subsidies_in_exchanges.pdf

They do not die out.

But thanks for showing us all what a dumb shit you are, once again, Kosh.

 

[The Rabbi]

Obamacare hasnt even been implemented yet. At this rate it may never be.

 

[Zander]

Obamacare is in it's infancy. Let's see what happens when private employers start cancelling plans......

 

[g5000]

From the link I provided:

The maximum percentages of income that enrollees at a given income level
will have to pay will increase over time in two ways. First, through 2018,
the percentage of income will “be adjusted to reflect the excess of the rate
of premium growth for the preceding calendar year over the rate of income
growth for the preceding calendar year.” CBO and JCT interpret that
adjustment as being equal to the difference between (1) the percentage
change in average premiums for private health insurance for the nonelderly
nationwide between the prior year and the year before that and (2) the
percentage change in average U.S. household income between those same
two years. In this analysis, that provision is referred to as the “regular
indexing” for enrollees’ payments. Because private health insurance
premiums generally grow faster than income, the regular indexing
provision will keep the share of the premium paid by an enrollee at a given
income level and the government roughly constant from year to year.5
Second, beginning in 2019, the maximum percentages of income that
enrollees will have to pay will continue to increase through that regular
indexing formula but may increase further “to reflect the excess (if any) of
the rate of premium growth … over the rate of growth in the consumer
price index.”6 CBO and JCT interpret that additional adjustment as being
equal to the difference between (1) the growth of premiums, as calculated
for the regular indexing provision, and (2) the percentage change in the
consumer price index for all urban consumers (CPI-U). The law specifies
that this “additional indexing” will occur if total federal subsidies through
the exchanges (including subsidies for both premiums and cost sharing)
exceed 0.504 percent of gross domestic product (GDP) in the preceding
year.

 

[g5000]

Obamacare is in it's infancy. Let's see what happens when private employers start cancelling plans......

You must be one of those tards who drank the piss about 93 million workers being kicked off their employer plans.

 

[Kosh]

Kosh is a dumb shit.

The subsidies do not expire. Until 2019, they increase by the CPI plus the difference between the CPI and the amount of inflation for health care. After 2019, they increase only by the CPI.


Here is how you link to evidence, Kosh: http://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/fi...1xx/doc12188/05-12-subsidies_in_exchanges.pdf

They do not die out.

But thanks for showing us all what a dumb shit you are, once again, Kosh.

And as always the far left goes and shows how wrong they are..

Right now the people who sign up for Obaamcare get their premiums subsided by the US government and thus passed on to those signing up.

Right now if someone qualifies they get a $450/month premium, but most of that will be subsidized for this year, for the next three years these roll back. Eventually those that were once getting their premiums subsidized are no loner getting it.

And once again it only gets subsidized (according to wording in the actual law) if it is run by the state.

 

[Zander]

Obamacare is in it's infancy. Let's see what happens when private employers start cancelling plans......

You must be one of those tards who drank the piss about 93 million workers being kicked off their employer plans.

I see you're shitting out of your mouth again G5000. You should get that looked at.

When do private employers have to fully comply with Obamacare?

 

[Kosh]

From the link I provided:

The maximum percentages of income that enrollees at a given income level
will have to pay will increase over time in two ways. First, through 2018,
the percentage of income will “be adjusted to reflect the excess of the rate
of premium growth for the preceding calendar year over the rate of income
growth for the preceding calendar year.” CBO and JCT interpret that
adjustment as being equal to the difference between (1) the percentage
change in average premiums for private health insurance for the nonelderly
nationwide between the prior year and the year before that and (2) the
percentage change in average U.S. household income between those same
two years. In this analysis, that provision is referred to as the “regular
indexing” for enrollees’ payments. Because private health insurance
premiums generally grow faster than income, the regular indexing
provision will keep the share of the premium paid by an enrollee at a given
income level and the government roughly constant from year to year.5
Second, beginning in 2019, the maximum percentages of income that
enrollees will have to pay will continue to increase through that regular
indexing formula but may increase further “to reflect the excess (if any) of
the rate of premium growth … over the rate of growth in the consumer
price index.”6 CBO and JCT interpret that additional adjustment as being
equal to the difference between (1) the growth of premiums, as calculated
for the regular indexing provision, and (2) the percentage change in the
consumer price index for all urban consumers (CPI-U). The law specifies
that this “additional indexing” will occur if total federal subsidies through
the exchanges (including subsidies for both premiums and cost sharing)
exceed 0.504 percent of gross domestic product (GDP) in the preceding
year.

Yes and you show that you do not read the links that you post, but that is par for the course for the far left drones on this board..

 

[Siete]

Obamacare will die out as soon as the subsidies die out.. Which by the way the law is written in about three more years..

You need to read up on the law. The most states will ever have to pay is like 10% of the cost. States that took the Medicare expansion aren't going to stop.

health care went up 100% for those that didn't have it too.

LOL

 

[Kosh]

Obamacare will die out as soon as the subsidies die out.. Which by the way the law is written in about three more years..

You need to read up on the law. The most states will ever have to pay is like 10% of the cost. States that took the Medicare expansion aren't going to stop.

health care went up 100% for those that didn't have it too.

LOL

And another far left drone swoops in and fires missing by light years..

 

[g5000]

Kosh is a dumb shit.

The subsidies do not expire. Until 2019, they increase by the CPI plus the difference between the CPI and the amount of inflation for health care. After 2019, they increase only by the CPI.


Here is how you link to evidence, Kosh: http://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/fi...1xx/doc12188/05-12-subsidies_in_exchanges.pdf

They do not die out.

But thanks for showing us all what a dumb shit you are, once again, Kosh.

And as always the far left goes and shows how wrong they are..

Right now the people who sign up for Obaamcare get their premiums subsided by the US government and thus passed on to those signing up.

Right now if someone qualifies they get a $450/month premium, but most of that will be subsidized for this year, for the next three years these roll back. Eventually those that were once getting their premiums subsidized are no loner getting it.

Still no link!

And once again it only gets subsidized (according to wording in the actual law) if it is run by the state.

That problem is very easy to fix, but the GOP doesn't want to. They prefer instead to fuck over the people in the red states by not creating a state exchange, and then when their people are forced to use the federal exchange, the maniacs try to deny the the people their subsidies by going to court!

Do you think this is a WINNING strategy in the long term? Do you think this endears the people to the GOP?

 

[Kosh]

Kosh is a dumb shit.

The subsidies do not expire. Until 2019, they increase by the CPI plus the difference between the CPI and the amount of inflation for health care. After 2019, they increase only by the CPI.


Here is how you link to evidence, Kosh: http://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/fi...1xx/doc12188/05-12-subsidies_in_exchanges.pdf

They do not die out.

But thanks for showing us all what a dumb shit you are, once again, Kosh.

And as always the far left goes and shows how wrong they are..

Right now the people who sign up for Obaamcare get their premiums subsided by the US government and thus passed on to those signing up.

Right now if someone qualifies they get a $450/month premium, but most of that will be subsidized for this year, for the next three years these roll back. Eventually those that were once getting their premiums subsidized are no loner getting it.

Still no link!

And once again it only gets subsidized (according to wording in the actual law) if it is run by the state.

That problem is very easy to fix, but the GOP doesn't want to. They prefer instead to fuck over the people in the red states by not creating a state exchange, and then challenge in court the subsidies their people get if they use the federal exchange!

Do you think this is a WINNING strategy?

No it is not a very easy fix only the far left sees it that way and you have proven that posting a link still does not support ones comments. Especially for the far left posters that do not read the links. But hey must follow the pass it (or in the case of the far left posters, post a link without reading it) before you read criteria..

Besides it is more fun to watch you far left posters drone on and on..

Also the CBO has posted a report that Obamacre (when fully implemented) will still have 30 million people uninsured. So 30 million uninsured before Obamacrae and 30 million uninsured after Obamacre.

Not sure what else can be pointed out to the far left on this one..

 

[Zander]

g5000
When do all the provisions of OBAMACARE kick in?

 

[g5000]

Kosh, you need to provide a link backing up your claim that subsidies "die out" in three years, or shut the fuck up.

I have proven you a liar. I guess that's why you have not provided a link and are just bloviating to cover up your mistake.


Primer: Statutorily Mandated Adjustments to ACA Premium Subsidies and Enrollee Contributions

Let me know if any words in that link are too big for you to understand.

 

[g5000]

g5000
When do all the provisions of OBAMACARE kick in?

The employer mandate, to which you were obviously making a reference, kicks in next year. I've already explained several times on this forum why you tards who think it will result in 93 million people being disenrolled from grandfathered plans are wrong.

 

[Ravi]

I have said quite a few times on this forum that ObamaCare is here to stay. Some of the dumber rubes mistook that to mean I support Obama and/or ObamaCare. I was also ridiculed for thinking ObamaCare is here to stay.

But I was just looking at reality and forecasting the obvious. Well, what was obvious to any sane person, anyway. During the messy rollout, much hooting and hollerin forecasting ObamaCare's doom could be heard from the rubes who are not in touch with reality.

It should also be noted I said that once it finally sinks in with the GOP that ObamaCare really, really, really is here to stay, then they will stop calling it "ObamaCare" and will start calling it "the ACA".

As I explained back then, once they realize they can't kill it, they will be forced to try and fix all the shit that is broken in it. Finally. Instead of wasting years trying to repeal it, they could have been trying to fix the worst parts of it, but NOOOOOOOOoooo...

Now that the GOP is going to control Congress, but not ever have enough votes to repeal it, they will begin to start calling it the ACA. They will want to strip Obama's association from health reform as they go about patching it up and taking credit for "fixing" it.

Watch and see.

Yep. They will also reclassify Hispanics as white to pretend that they aren't racist. And they won't do a damn thing about Ebola, even though they were hyperventilating over it just last week.

 

[g5000]

No it is not a very easy fix

A simple change to the text of the ACA will do it. Very, very easy. These kind of legislative changes are made almost every day. Read some legislation once in your life. The ACA itself has text changes to other laws in it.

But the GOP House refuses to do it. They are complicit in the attempts to take away subsidies from those who are being forced to use the federal exchange.

The only reason it is not an easy fix is because the GOP are being assholes and refuse to do it. But mechanically it is one of the easiest things in the world to do.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

As long as Obama is President, Obama is here to stay

 

[Siete]

g5000
When do all the provisions of OBAMACARE kick in?

we're talking about the tax credits kicking out ... keep up or shut up.