[POLL] If you had to choose between Capitalism and Socialism - Which would it be?

[Darkwind]

Just so that some people are even talking about the same system...

Capitalism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Usury - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

People should understand the words they use.

 

[tooAlive]

You mean savage capitalism or capitalism with reasonable regulation and justice and a good safety net- then I'll take socialism, because I know what it means. NOT communism, as socialism is ALWAYS democratic.

I mean Capitalism as in the freedom for individuals to acquire capital and do with it what they see fit.

And it's funny you mentioned communism. I didn't mention it at all.. Is it somehow intertwined with socialism?

Capitalism tempered with charity rather than greed works much better than socialism.

Capitalism driven by greed is oppressive...but still much better than socialism.

Socialism is little more than demanded charity.

I believe that greed is neither a driving factor of capitalism nor socialism; but a part of human nature itself.

And will inevitably exist regardless of which economic system is implemented. So it would be unfair to attribute it to one specific ideology.

 

[lukelk]

Choose captialism and I get the nazi kkk, just so you know what the stakes are

 

[arKangel]

I don't think so.

It says a lot about a person which of these two ideologies they'd rather subscribe to.

One gives freedom to the individual, the other promotes the collective good.

usury, in either of it's flavors offers no freedom at all.
You are limiting your thinking to the construct of the usurer.

 

[Darkwind]

I mean Capitalism as in the freedom for individuals to acquire capital and do with it what they see fit.

And it's funny you mentioned communism. I didn't mention it at all.. Is it somehow intertwined with socialism?

Capitalism tempered with charity rather than greed works much better than socialism.

Capitalism driven by greed is oppressive...but still much better than socialism.

Socialism is little more than demanded charity.

I believe that greed is neither a driving factor of capitalism nor socialism; but a part of human nature itself.

And will inevitably exist regardless of which economic system is implemented.

This is true. People being what they are. The accumulation of power for the sake of controlling other men can be labeled as Democracy as well. It does not attribute itself to Democracy, only to the corrupted individual.

 

[tooAlive]

Choose captialism and I get the nazi kkk, just so you know what the stakes are

I believe that the National Socialist German Workers Party wasn't too fond of capitalism.

But thanks for adding the first vote for socialism; it was getting pretty lonely on that side.

 

[arKangel]

Then you choose capitalism.

BS.

Usury is not liberty.

In a true capitalist system you could only submit yourself to usury by choice. Correct?

Don't you have to submit your "credit score" when you apply for a job in this so-called "capitalist" system?

 

[francoHFW]

Every other modern country is socialist- so are we, but now getting to be a fair. They say social democrat so as to not set off the cold war dinosaur loudmouth ugly American Pub dupes. Hoping for your recovery.

Socialist doesn't go communist and NEVER has without violent revolution, and certainly isn't now. Duh.

 

[arKangel]

I mean Capitalism as in the freedom for individuals to acquire capital and do with it what they see fit.

And it's funny you mentioned communism. I didn't mention it at all.. Is it somehow intertwined with socialism?

Capitalism tempered with charity rather than greed works much better than socialism.

Capitalism driven by greed is oppressive...but still much better than socialism.

Socialism is little more than demanded charity.

I believe that greed is neither a driving factor of capitalism nor socialism; but a part of human nature itself.

And will inevitably exist regardless of which economic system is implemented. So it would be unfair to attribute it to one specific ideology.

Hogwash,
"Greed" is only an ailment that affects a small part of human society. Fundamentaly weak people whom only gain pleasure from having "power" over others, basically psychopaths.
Unfortunately it is those humans afflicted by the disease who cause the most misery to others.

 

[tooAlive]

BS.

Usury is not liberty.

In a true capitalist system you could only submit yourself to usury by choice. Correct?

Don't you have to submit your "credit score" when you apply for a job in this so-called "capitalist" system?

For jobs like working at a bank, yes. They use it as a measure to tell how honest a person is around money; since they will be working around a lot of it. Theft origination from bank workers isn't uncommon.

But not every job runs a credit score.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

If you had to pick between Capitalism and Socialism, which would it be?

While there are other choices and some may wish to "stay in the middle," for the sake of this poll pick the option with which you'd feel more comfortable or have the most affinity towards.

I'm just curious to see what the modern-day feelings toward these two terms are. If you're not familiar with them I'd kindly ask that you familiarize with what they stand for before voting. Thank you.

Now vote away!

Either one would do because because there are plenty of nations like ours that combine them both.

In a socialist system I would fight to have some capitalism and in a capitalist system I would fight for what we have now.

I answer this way because I live in the real world and not one of the false choices you present

 

[francoHFW]

Socialism certainly ISN't Communism or (even stupid new RW theory) Nazism, despite THEIR PROPAGANDA.

 

[OKTexas]

BS.

Usury is not liberty.

In a true capitalist system you could only submit yourself to usury by choice. Correct?

Don't you have to submit your "credit score" when you apply for a job in this so-called "capitalist" system?

You have the choice to enter into credit agreements and by doing so you submit yourself to the industry scoring system. Don't want to be scored, don't borrow money. Either way it's voluntary.

 

[arKangel]

In a true capitalist system you could only submit yourself to usury by choice. Correct?

Don't you have to submit your "credit score" when you apply for a job in this so-called "capitalist" system?

For jobs like working at a bank, yes. They use it as a measure to tell how honest a person is around money; since they will be working around a lot of it. Theft origination from bank workers isn't uncommon.

But not every job runs a credit score.

Again, hogwash.

"no credit is worse than bad credit".

You must submit to usury to have a credit score.
In either a "capitalist" or "socialist" system (whichever you care to call it, it is the system of the usurer) most of you must submit to have a job, have a home, or have a a life.

The good news is that the LORD AND SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST called out the usurer about 2000 years ago and proposed a better way.

Shame that it has taken so long for people to hear the message...
So sad that there are so many people who still willingly submit enslavement of the usurer, whether they call it "capitalism" or "socialism".

 

[tooAlive]

Socialism certainly ISN't Communism or (even stupid new RW theory) Nazism, despite THEIR PROPAGANDA.

I think we have history to thank for smearing the word socialism.

For example, if the NAZI party hadn't called themselves the National Socialist German Workers Party, perhaps we wouldn't be associating them with it today.

 

[tooAlive]

Don't you have to submit your "credit score" when you apply for a job in this so-called "capitalist" system?

For jobs like working at a bank, yes. They use it as a measure to tell how honest a person is around money; since they will be working around a lot of it. Theft origination from bank workers isn't uncommon.

But not every job runs a credit score.

Again, hogwash.

"no credit is worse than bad credit".

You must submit to usury to have a credit score.
In either a "capitalist" or "socialist" system (whichever you care to call it, it is the system of the usurer) most of you must submit to have a job, have a home, or have a a life.

The good news is that the LORD AND SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST called out those people 2000 years ago and proposed a better way.

So sad that there are so many people who still willingly submit enslavement of the usurer, whether they call it "capitalism" or "socialism".

I'm a fellow believer of Jesus Christ myself.

 

[Avatar4321]

Neither,

I choose liberty.

Then you choose capitalism.

BS.

Usury is not liberty.

Funny, Capitalism is not Usury. Capitalism is the system where two or more people are free to exchange goods or services in a way that will mutually benefit all parties involved in the transaction.

Capitalism is the free market. and political liberty is impossible without economic liberty.

 

[auditor0007]

Neither exists in pure form anywhere, and neither is a viable system in its purest form, so your poll has no validity.

 

[arKangel]

For jobs like working at a bank, yes. They use it as a measure to tell how honest a person is around money; since they will be working around a lot of it. Theft origination from bank workers isn't uncommon.

But not every job runs a credit score.

Again, hogwash.

"no credit is worse than bad credit".

You must submit to usury to have a credit score.
In either a "capitalist" or "socialist" system (whichever you care to call it, it is the system of the usurer) most of you must submit to have a job, have a home, or have a a life.

The good news is that the LORD AND SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST called out those people 2000 years ago and proposed a better way.

So sad that there are so many people who still willingly submit enslavement of the usurer, whether they call it "capitalism" or "socialism".

I'm a fellow believer of Jesus Christ myself.

Then please stop framing your discussion as prescribed by the Christ hating usurer.
Peace be with you fellow Christian.

 

[asaratis]

I mean Capitalism as in the freedom for individuals to acquire capital and do with it what they see fit.

And it's funny you mentioned communism. I didn't mention it at all.. Is it somehow intertwined with socialism?

Capitalism tempered with charity rather than greed works much better than socialism.

Capitalism driven by greed is oppressive...but still much better than socialism.

Socialism is little more than demanded charity.

I believe that greed is neither a driving factor of capitalism nor socialism; but a part of human nature itself.

And will inevitably exist regardless of which economic system is implemented. So it would be unfair to attribute it to one specific ideology.

I was thinking along the lines of Ebenezer Scrooge from Dickens...greedy in the opening...hit by charity in the end...a capitalist all the way...going from bad guy to good guy in the space of one reading.