Please Post Reasons Why You Want Obama to Raise Taxes Here. Thanks!

Ask your Mom & Dad about the Clinton Years.

You needed to be there, to understand.​
Yeah, I remember the Clinton years quite well. That's when he was getting BJ's from a fat skanky liberal slut, while Bin Laden's cronies entered this country. Rented apartments. Obtained jobs. Planned the attack. Financed the attack. Entered flight school. Roamed freely. Accepted monetary wire transfers. Scoped out targets. Completed flight school, and finalized the plans for the attack all on his watch. Oh, and then there was WTC attack #1. Again on his watch.

Yeah, those Clinton years were quite tragic indeed!.......Just ask those victims families about the Clinton years. Quite tragic indeed!


Christ, liberals and those they vote for are fucking idiots!:cuckoo:

Hey pea brain, WHAT did Bush do for the first 7 months? He IGNORED the warnings he was given. Instead, he began planning an invasion of Iraq 10 days after taking office. IF bin Laden was such a major threat, WHY did Bush ignore him and WHY didn't the neocons warn Clinton instead of pushing for an invasion of Iraq?

Tooooooooooooooooooooooo easy!!!!!​

"How high a priority did terrorism get? Clarke says that dealing with al-Qaeda "was in the top tier of issues reviewed by the Bush Administration." But other topics got far more attention. The whole Bush national-security team was obsessed with setting up a national system of missile defense.

"Terrorism," says a former Clinton White House official, speaking of the new Administration, "wasn't on their plate of key issues." Al-Qaeda had not been a feature of the landscape when the Republicans left office in 1993. The Bush team, says an official, "had to learn about [al-Qaeda] and figure out where it fit into their broader foreign policy.' But doing so meant delay.

Some counterterrorism officials think there is another reason for the Bush Administration's dilatory response. Clarke's paper, says an official, "was a Clinton proposal." Keeping Clarke around was one thing; buying into the analysis of an Administration that the Bush team considered feckless and naive was quite another."
 
We've been living way beyond our means for the last 30 years or so and now the bill has come due.

We either bite the bullet and pay it off now or pass it along to the next genertation.

Thats what "Hope and Change" was all about...

Nothing's changed and Hope has left the building...
ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.....rhetoric!!

(Ammo for the politically/intellectually-challenged. :rolleyes: )​
 
Thanks.

SO I was correct with my assumption.

Clinton was "credited" with the jobs gained due to the dot com craze that did nothing for the GDP......
Yeah.....nothin'.....those 20M+ (newly-employed) were workin'-for-free.

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.......​

Nope. They were getting paid with peoples 401(K)'s. And when it burst, those people lost their savings.

Thats sort of what is happening now with all of these government jobs.

We the people are paying for it and in the end we will have nothing to show for it.

Yeah.....the F-22 was Obama's fault.

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.....

:rolleyes:
 
Nope. Bush by no means was great and to be frank, Clinton was not so bad once he settled in. Obama had a chance to be a great President, but so far his ideology has gotten in the way.
That's what Republicans call a year-and-a-half of "NO!!!!", huh.....Obama's ideology??

How weak...... :rolleyes:

LOL...well welll well....so your true colors come out.

If you had any knowledge of waht was really going on in congress you would not have referred to the "No" thing.

Only the left wing blog readers believe that NO thing.
.....Yet, we STILL got the Health Care Plan, to PROVE IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Yeah.....nothin'.....those 20M+ (newly-employed) were workin'-for-free.

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.......​

Nope. They were getting paid with peoples 401(K)'s. And when it burst, those people lost their savings.

Thats sort of what is happening now with all of these government jobs.

We the people are paying for it and in the end we will have nothing to show for it.

But folks like you cant seem to get it.

It may be good in the short run, but it is really bad in the long run. And when you look at the long haul, you would have been better off letting things correct itself.

And HERE is where your right wingers ALWAYS fail. There is never one single penny of human capital in your 'solutions'

During the Great Depression, conservatives were critical of New Deal programs for the unemployed. They said the economy if left alone, would recover in the long run. Secretary of Commerce Harry Hopkins replied":: "People don't eat in the long run, they eat every day."

Right wing solutions are great, just as long as some group of human being evaporate...
No DOUBT!!!!!

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That's what Republicans call a year-and-a-half of "NO!!!!", huh.....Obama's ideology??

How weak...... :rolleyes:

LOL...well welll well....so your true colors come out.

If you had any knowledge of waht was really going on in congress you would not have referred to the "No" thing.

Only the left wing blog readers believe that NO thing.
.....Yet, we STILL got the Health Care Plan, to PROVE IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!

john_boehner_crying_little_.jpg


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Thats the point phony.

Whereas there were many ideas presented to Pelosi, Reid and Obama by the minority, only those that are really interested in politics and listen to the debates knew this.

Then there are people like you that make believe you are interested and following what is going on but instead you read your left wing blogs and take that crap as fact.

And you proved it by regurgiotating that left wing "NO" thing.

The progressives count on their followers to be lazy bums that dont have the attention span to know what is REALLY going on. They know you will NEVER watch a debate on C-Span....so they can lie to you and you will believe it.

Yep. You are a phony.
 
Nope. They were getting paid with peoples 401(K)'s. And when it burst, those people lost their savings.

Thats sort of what is happening now with all of these government jobs.

We the people are paying for it and in the end we will have nothing to show for it.

But folks like you cant seem to get it.

It may be good in the short run, but it is really bad in the long run. And when you look at the long haul, you would have been better off letting things correct itself.

And HERE is where your right wingers ALWAYS fail. There is never one single penny of human capital in your 'solutions'

During the Great Depression, conservatives were critical of New Deal programs for the unemployed. They said the economy if left alone, would recover in the long run. Secretary of Commerce Harry Hopkins replied":: "People don't eat in the long run, they eat every day."

Right wing solutions are great, just as long as some group of human being evaporate...
No DOUBT!!!!!

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Wrong=a=roo...

We are and have always been a giving people. We had kitchens and boarding houses to help the less fortunate...all paid for by the private sector.

We do what we need to do for our fellow man. We do not need governement to intervene.
 
We are fighting a war we need to pay for.
We are building a fence we need to pay for.
We expect protection from terrorists and criminals
We expect to travel on federally funded highway system
We expect air traffic controlers to keep the skys safer
We expect safe food and medicine
We want literate, educated citizens
We need to pay down our debts
 
And HERE is where your right wingers ALWAYS fail. There is never one single penny of human capital in your 'solutions'

During the Great Depression, conservatives were critical of New Deal programs for the unemployed. They said the economy if left alone, would recover in the long run. Secretary of Commerce Harry Hopkins replied":: "People don't eat in the long run, they eat every day."

Right wing solutions are great, just as long as some group of human being evaporate...
No DOUBT!!!!!

zyklon_b.jpg

Wrong=a=roo...

We are and have always been a giving people. We had kitchens and boarding houses to help the less fortunate...all paid for by the private sector.

We do what we need to do for our fellow man. We do not need governement to intervene.

Bullshit! Please tell me how charity is going to pay the bills, feed the family and cover the mortgage of the unemployed? For EVERY 5 unemployed, there is ONE job opening.

Again, you FAIL...YOU need people to just evaporate. At least the Nazi's ended people's suffering quickly...

BTW, Social Security is solvent.

Mere parsimony (frugality, stinginess) is not economy. Expense, and great expense, may be an essential part in true economy.
Edmund Burke

Paul Craig Roberts is an economist and a nationally syndicated columnist for Creators Syndicate. He served as an Assistant Secretary of the Treasury in the Reagan Administration earning fame as a co-founder of "Reaganomics."

Wall Street Targets the Elderly

Looting Social Security

By PAUL CRAIG ROBERTS

Hank Paulson, the Gold Sacks bankster/US Treasury Secretary, who deregulated the financial system, caused a world crisis that wrecked the prospects of foreign banks and governments, caused millions of Americans to lose retirement savings, homes, and jobs, and left taxpayers burdened with multi-trillions of dollars of new US debt, is still not in jail. He is writing in the New York Times urging that the mess he caused be fixed by taking away from working Americans the Social Security and Medicare for which they have paid in earmarked taxes all their working lives.

Wall Street’s approach to the poor has always been to drive them deeper into the ground.

As there is no money to be made from the poor, Wall Street fleeces them by yanking away their entitlements. It has always been thus. During the Reagan administration, Wall Street decided to boost the values of its bond and stock portfolios by using Social Security revenues to lower budget deficits. Wall Street figured that lower deficits would mean lower interest rates and higher bond and stock prices.

Two Wall Street henchmen, Alan Greenspan and David Stockman, set up the Social Security raid in this way: The Carter administration had put Social Security in the black for the foreseeable future by establishing a schedule for future Social Security payroll tax increases. Greenspan and Stockman conspired to phase in the payroll tax increases earlier than was needed in order to gain surplus Social Security revenues that could be used to finance other government spending, thus reducing the budget deficit. They sold it to President Reagan as “putting Social Security on a sound basis.”

Along the way Americans were told that the surplus revenues were going into a special Social Security trust fund at the U.S. Treasury. But what is in the fund is Treasury IOUs for the spent revenues. When the “trust funds” are needed to pay Social Security benefits, the Treasury will have to sell more debt in order to redeem the IOUs.

Social Security was mugged again during the Clinton administration when the Boskin Commission jimmied the Consumer Price Index in order to reduce the inflation adjustments that Social Security recipients receive, thus diverting money from Social Security retirees to other uses.

We constantly hear from Wall Street gangsters and from Republicans and an occasional Democrat that Social Security and Medicare are a form of welfare that we can’t afford, an “unfunded liability.” This is a lie. Social Security is funded with an earmarked tax. People pay for Social Security and Medicare all their working lives. It is a pay-as-you-go system in which the taxes paid by those working fund those who are retired.

Currently these systems are not in deficit. The problem is that government is using earmarked revenues for other purposes. Indeed, since the 1980s Social Security revenues have been used to fund general government. Today Social Security revenues are being used to fund trillion dollar bailouts for Wall Street and to fund the Bush/Obama wars of aggression against Muslims.

Having diverted Social Security revenues to war and Wall Street, Paulson says there is no alternative but to take the promised benefits away from those who have paid for them.

Republicans have extraordinary animosity toward the poor. In an effort to talk retirees out of their support systems, Republicans frequently describe Social Security as a Ponzi scheme and “unsustainable.” They ought to know. The phony trust fund, which they set up to hide the fact that Wall Street and the Pentagon are running off with Social Security revenues, is a Ponzi scheme. Social Security itself has been with us since the 1930s and has yet to wreck our lives and budget. But it only took Hank Paulson’s derivative Ponzi scheme and its bailout a few years to inflict irreparable damage on our lives and budget.

Years ago with stagflation defeated and a rising stock market, I favored privatizing Social Security as a way of creating a funded retirement system and producing greater savings and larger incomes for retirees. At that time Wall Street was interested, not for my reasons, but in order to collect the fees from managing the funds.

Had Social Security been privatized, I doubt that Wall Street would have been permitted to deregulate the financial system. Too much would have been at stake.

After the latest crisis brought on by Wall Street’s dishonesty and greed, trusting Wall Street to manage anyone’s old age pension requires a leap of faith that no intelligent person can make.

Wall Street has got away with its raid on the public treasury. Now, pockets full, it wants to pay for the heist by curtailing Social Security and Medicare. Having deprived the working population of homes, jobs, and health care, Wall Street is now after the elderly’s old age security.

Social Security, formerly an untouchable “third rail of politics,” is now “unsustainable,” while the real unsustainables--a pre-1929 unregulated financial system and open-ended multi-trillion dollar Global War Against Terror--are the new untouchables. This transformation signals the complete capture of American democracy by an oligarchy of special interests.
Paul Craig Roberts: Looting Social Security

Have you ever heard of a bleeding heart Republican?
Paul Craig Roberts - the father of Reaganomics
 
Hey pea brain, WHAT did Bush do for the first 7 months? He IGNORED the warnings he was given.
Some indeterminate time in the future, a liquor store in America will be robbed by a young man, 18-25, with a shotgun.

There. Now you have as much information as Bush did.

Prevent the crime.


Holy Shit!

That has got to be the single most ridiculous analogy yet.

Do you really thnk that liquor store owner has a team of security experts on his payroll advising him on a daily basis?
 
Hey pea brain, WHAT did Bush do for the first 7 months? He IGNORED the warnings he was given.
Some indeterminate time in the future, a liquor store in America will be robbed by a young man, 18-25, with a shotgun.

There. Now you have as much information as Bush did.

Prevent the crime.


Holy Shit!

That has got to be the single most ridiculous analogy yet.

Do you really thnk that liquor store owner has a team of security experts on his payroll advising him on a daily basis?
Ya' mean like Clinton did when the terrorists entered this country. Rented apartments. Enrolled in flight school. Roamed freely. Financed the plan. Scoped targets. Accepted monetary wire transfers. Completed flight school, and finalized the plan on Clintons watch?

Wasn't it Bin Laden who declared war on the US while William Jethro was in office?

Was it "security experts" who told William Jethro that they had Bin Laden in their sites and could kill him right then and there on three fucking seperate occasions. All they needed was his approval?

Was it Clintons "security experts" who told the Bush administration a plan was in the works, and did they know the specifics of the plan?

William Jethro miserably failed. Even his country bumpkin ass admits it.
 
Hey pea brain, WHAT did Bush do for the first 7 months? He IGNORED the warnings he was given.
Some indeterminate time in the future, a liquor store in America will be robbed by a young man, 18-25, with a shotgun.

There. Now you have as much information as Bush did.

Prevent the crime.


Holy Shit!

That has got to be the single most ridiculous analogy yet.

Do you really thnk that liquor store owner has a team of security experts on his payroll advising him on a daily basis?

In this scenario, YOU'RE the security expert.

Prevent the crime.
 
Jarhead, who is "the people?"

And are you saying that "the people" DON'T want to pay for all the things they want?

IF that being the case...is that not the problem right there?

The people do not want others to pay for them and they do not want to pay for the others.

The majority of the people do not want a society of "share the wealth"

The majority of the people want a society of personal responsibility.

And the majority of the pople are well aware that if they must pay for things THROUGH the government via taxes, those things will be more expensive and harder to get.

Your opinion is unsupported. Most Americans do NOT want to get rid of Social Security, Medicare, the public schools, the military, the post office, Medicaid, state and local governments building and maintaining their transportation infrastructures...

...all of which are the top examples of getting things that we pay for, via the government, with taxes.

The main and only reason is...to PAY for everything that Bush didn't during the last 8 years.

Yeah....all $160 billion of it.


The rest of the $1.4 trillion belongs to Obama and the Dems.

WHAT?????? What a fucking pea brain!

THE RECKONING
The Iraq War Will Cost Us $3 Trillion, and Much More

By Linda J. Bilmes and Joseph E. Stiglitz
Sunday, March 9, 2008

There is no such thing as a free lunch, and there is no such thing as a free war. The Iraq adventure has seriously weakened the U.S. economy, whose woes now go far beyond loose mortgage lending. You can't spend $3 trillion -- yes, $3 trillion -- on a failed war abroad and not feel the pain at home.
The Iraq War Will Cost Us $3 Trillion, and Much More - washingtonpost.com

Who's To Blame for the Massive Deficit?


So what's the final score? Let's use an analogy. Obama's FY2009 performance is like a relief pitcher who enters a game in the fourth inning trailing 19-0 and allows another run to score. The extra run is nothing to cheer about, of course, but fans should be far angrier with the starting pitcher.

Is Bush or Obama to Blame for the Massive Deficit?

Daniel J. Mitchell is a senior fellow at the Cato Institute.

The Bush Tax Cuts Cost Two and a Half Times as Much as the House Democrats’ Health Care Proposal


http://www.ctj.org/pdf/bushtaxcutsvshealthcare.pdf

CBO Data Show Tax Cuts Have Played Much Larger Role than Domestic Spending Increases in Fueling the Deficit

CBO Data Show Tax Cuts Have Played Much Larger Role than Domestic Spending Increases in Fueling the Deficit — Center on Budget and Policy Priorities
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Hey...don't confuse him and his ilk with funny liberal things like FACTS 'n'charts 'n' stuff.


Ah.....so success and entrepreneurship is dependent on government? If the mean old government raises the taxes on the wealthy, they will pout, have a hissy fit and refuse to be successful and not hire people...

Maybe they didn't get your memo...HOW did Bush's tax cuts stimulate jobs pea brain???


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Gee...I wonder how many of those jobs Clinton is creditied with were jobs in the Dot.com industry.

And I wonder how many of those dot com jobs lost, that never should have been to begin with, were put into Bush's column.

The dot.com/Clinton canard is very boring at this point.

The bubble phase of dot.com was 99 '00. Clinton was president for 8 years, not 2.

The stock market rose 200% over the course of Clinton's presidency, even with the bursting of the dot.com bubble taking itself out of the equation.

The stock market FELL over the course of Bush's presidency. Close to a lost decade.
The Right Wing...and the media...totally ignored the stock market and the economy for the major part of the Bush Regime. It wasn't until he was almost out the door when they suddenly realized that we were in economic doom.

Remember what sealed the Presidency for Obama...."The fundamentals of our economy are sound." All the Neo-Cons were cheering smugly when he said that. The very next day the news went out from the MSM that the economy was on the bridge of collapse. McCain was history.

RWers are truly TOAST!!

LOL!!!
 
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And HERE is where your right wingers ALWAYS fail. There is never one single penny of human capital in your 'solutions'

During the Great Depression, conservatives were critical of New Deal programs for the unemployed. They said the economy if left alone, would recover in the long run. Secretary of Commerce Harry Hopkins replied":: "People don't eat in the long run, they eat every day."

Right wing solutions are great, just as long as some group of human being evaporate...

Yep...it's how they operate. It's their M.O.!
 
The people do not want others to pay for them and they do not want to pay for the others.

The majority of the people do not want a society of "share the wealth"

The majority of the people want a society of personal responsibility.

And the majority of the pople are well aware that if they must pay for things THROUGH the government via taxes, those things will be more expensive and harder to get.

Your opinion is unsupported. Most Americans do NOT want to get rid of Social Security, Medicare, the public schools, the military, the post office, Medicaid, state and local governments building and maintaining their transportation infrastructures...

...all of which are the top examples of getting things that we pay for, via the government, with taxes.


Hey...don't confuse him and his ilk with funny liberal things like FACTS 'n'charts 'n' stuff.


Gee...I wonder how many of those jobs Clinton is creditied with were jobs in the Dot.com industry.

And I wonder how many of those dot com jobs lost, that never should have been to begin with, were put into Bush's column.

The dot.com/Clinton canard is very boring at this point.

The bubble phase of dot.com was 99 '00. Clinton was president for 8 years, not 2.

The stock market rose 200% over the course of Clinton's presidency, even with the bursting of the dot.com bubble taking itself out of the equation.

The stock market FELL over the course of Bush's presidency. Close to a lost decade.
The Right Wing...and the media...totally ignored the stock market and the economy for the major part of the Bush Regime. It wasn't until he was almost out the door when they suddenly realized that we were in economic doom.

Remember what sealed the Presidency for Obama...."The fundamentals of our economy are sound." All the Neo-Cons were cheering smugly when he said that. The very next day the news went out from the MSM that the economy was on the bridge of collapse. McCain was history.

RWers are truly TOAST!!

LOL!!!
Looking at Obama's and the majority of dem's approval ratings, it becomes quite clear that it is Obama and the dem's who are "toast"!

Get the incompetent fucks outta there!.....They are destroying this great country.
 
And HERE is where your right wingers ALWAYS fail. There is never one single penny of human capital in your 'solutions'

During the Great Depression, conservatives were critical of New Deal programs for the unemployed. They said the economy if left alone, would recover in the long run. Secretary of Commerce Harry Hopkins replied":: "People don't eat in the long run, they eat every day."

Right wing solutions are great, just as long as some group of human being evaporate...

Yep...it's how they operate. It's their M.O.!


And they call themselves Christians
 
Hey pea brain, WHAT did Bush do for the first 7 months? He IGNORED the warnings he was given.
Some indeterminate time in the future, a liquor store in America will be robbed by a young man, 18-25, with a shotgun.

There. Now you have as much information as Bush did.

Prevent the crime.

WOW, another pea brain...a twenty percenter....:lol::lol::lol:

"Eighty percent of Republicans are just Democrats that don't know what's going on"
Robert F. Kennedy Jr.

March 21, 2004

What Bush's Ex-Adviser Says About Efforts to Stop War On Terror


"Frankly," he said, "I find it outrageous that the president is running for re-election on the grounds that he's done such great things about terrorism. He ignored it. He ignored terrorism for months, when maybe we could have done something to stop 9/11. Maybe. We'll never know."

Clarke went on to say, "I think he's done a terrible job on the war against terrorism."

Clarke was the president's chief adviser on terrorism, yet it wasn't until Sept. 11 that he ever got to brief Mr. Bush on the subject. Clarke says that prior to Sept. 11, the administration didn't take the threat seriously.

"We had a terrorist organization that was going after us! Al Qaeda. That should have been the first item on the agenda. And it was pushed back and back and back for months.

"There's a lot of blame to go around, and I probably deserve some blame, too. But on January 24th, 2001, I wrote a memo to Condoleezza Rice asking for, urgently -- underlined urgently -- a Cabinet-level meeting to deal with the impending al Qaeda attack. And that urgent memo-- wasn't acted on.

"I blame the entire Bush leadership for continuing to work on Cold War issues when they back in power in 2001. It was as though they were preserved in amber from when they left office eight years earlier. They came back. They wanted to work on the same issues right away: Iraq, Star Wars. Not new issues, the new threats that had developed over the preceding eight years."

Clarke finally got his meeting about al Qaeda in April, three months after his urgent request. But it wasn't with the president or cabinet. It was with the second-in-command in each relevant department.

For the Pentagon, it was Paul Wolfowitz.

Clarke relates, "I began saying, 'We have to deal with bin Laden; we have to deal with al Qaeda.' Paul Wolfowitz, the Deputy Secretary of Defense, said, 'No, no, no. We don't have to deal with al Qaeda. Why are we talking about that little guy? We have to talk about Iraqi terrorism against the United States.'

"And I said, 'Paul, there hasn't been any Iraqi terrorism against the United States in eight years!' And I turned to the deputy director of the CIA and said, 'Isn't that right?' And he said, 'Yeah, that's right. There is no Iraqi terrorism against the United States."

Clarke went on to add, "There's absolutely no evidence that Iraq was supporting al Qaeda, ever."

By June 2001, there still hadn't been a Cabinet-level meeting on terrorism, even though U.S. intelligence was picking up an unprecedented level of ominous chatter.

The CIA director warned the White House, Clarke points out. "George Tenet was saying to the White House, saying to the president - because he briefed him every morning - a major al Qaeda attack is going to happen against the United States somewhere in the world in the weeks and months ahead. He said that in June, July, August."

Clarke says the last time the CIA had picked up a similar level of chatter was in December, 1999, when Clarke was the terrorism czar in the Clinton White House.

Clarke says Mr. Clinton ordered his Cabinet to go to battle stations-- meaning, they went on high alert, holding meetings nearly every day.

That, Clarke says, helped thwart a major attack on Los Angeles International Airport, when an al Qaeda operative was stopped at the border with Canada, driving a car full of explosives.


Clarke harshly criticizes President Bush for not going to battle stations when the CIA warned him of a comparable threat in the months before Sept. 11: "He never thought it was important enough for him to hold a meeting on the subject, or for him to order his National Security Adviser to hold a Cabinet-level meeting on the subject."

Finally, says Clarke, "The cabinet meeting I asked for right after the inauguration took place-- one week prior to 9/11."

In that meeting, Clarke proposed a plan to bomb al Qaeda's sanctuary in Afghanistan, and to kill bin Laden.

Clarke's Take On Terror - 60 Minutes - CBS News
 

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