People Kill People. But the Bullets Seem to Matter.

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

Logically this makes sense but when using a firearm for defense you want it to be effective

By MARGOT SANGER-KATZ and QUOCTRUNG BUI MARCH 27, 2019

In Boston from 2010 to 2015, there were 221 gun homicides.

Research suggests that one change could have lowered that number by 40 percent: smaller bullets.

A study last year, published in JAMA Network Open, examined the type of weapon used in every fatal and nonfatal shooting in the city. It found that — regardless of the time of day, the number of wounds or the circumstances of the crime — the size of the bullet affected which gunshot victims lived and which ones died.

At the center of the debate about gun control lies the question of whether the availability of deadly weapons increases the seriousness of crime. Critics of gun control contend it doesn’t. As the popular bumper sticker argues: “Guns don’t kill people. People kill people.” The study set out to test that slogan -- and found it wanting.

“The type of weapon matters,” said Philip Cook, an emeritus professor of public policy at Duke University, and one of the study’s co-authors.

If all the shooters in Boston had used the types of guns in circulation with the biggest bullets, the homicide rate could have been 43 percent higher, the researchers calculated recently, even with the same people committing exactly the same crimes.

For shootings in which there is a recorded caliber. Caliber classification determined by researchers.
Over recent decades, the size of bullets fired by the typical handgun has increased. Changes in design have made it easier to fire big bullets from concealable weapons, and manufacturers have marketed more powerful guns as better tools for self-defense. In the 1970s and 1980s, the guns most commonly used in crime tended to be revolvers or small, inexpensive pistols that fired .22-caliber rounds, so-called for their 0.22-inch diameter.
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People Kill People. But the Bullets Seem to Matter.

 

[JOSweetHeart]

This subject reminds me of a Walker, Texas Ranger episode when the episode's bad guy kills a woman by breaking her neck with his bare hands...in other words, my question for those who think that guns should be wiped from the face of the planet, what should be done about those who don't need any life threatening utensils or supplies of any kind because their own hands are sufficient enough?

God bless you always!!!

Holly

 

[2aguy]

Logically this makes sense but when using a firearm for defense you want it to be effective

By MARGOT SANGER-KATZ and QUOCTRUNG BUI MARCH 27, 2019

In Boston from 2010 to 2015, there were 221 gun homicides.

Research suggests that one change could have lowered that number by 40 percent: smaller bullets.

A study last year, published in JAMA Network Open, examined the type of weapon used in every fatal and nonfatal shooting in the city. It found that — regardless of the time of day, the number of wounds or the circumstances of the crime — the size of the bullet affected which gunshot victims lived and which ones died.

At the center of the debate about gun control lies the question of whether the availability of deadly weapons increases the seriousness of crime. Critics of gun control contend it doesn’t. As the popular bumper sticker argues: “Guns don’t kill people. People kill people.” The study set out to test that slogan -- and found it wanting.

“The type of weapon matters,” said Philip Cook, an emeritus professor of public policy at Duke University, and one of the study’s co-authors.

If all the shooters in Boston had used the types of guns in circulation with the biggest bullets, the homicide rate could have been 43 percent higher, the researchers calculated recently, even with the same people committing exactly the same crimes.

For shootings in which there is a recorded caliber. Caliber classification determined by researchers.
Over recent decades, the size of bullets fired by the typical handgun has increased. Changes in design have made it easier to fire big bullets from concealable weapons, and manufacturers have marketed more powerful guns as better tools for self-defense. In the 1970s and 1980s, the guns most commonly used in crime tended to be revolvers or small, inexpensive pistols that fired .22-caliber rounds, so-called for their 0.22-inch diameter.
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People Kill People. But the Bullets Seem to Matter.

No...where you get hit matters.....in order for this study to be valid, you would have to murder people with several different sized bullets....then see which killed them faster....

 

[2aguy]

Logically this makes sense but when using a firearm for defense you want it to be effective

By MARGOT SANGER-KATZ and QUOCTRUNG BUI MARCH 27, 2019

In Boston from 2010 to 2015, there were 221 gun homicides.

Research suggests that one change could have lowered that number by 40 percent: smaller bullets.

A study last year, published in JAMA Network Open, examined the type of weapon used in every fatal and nonfatal shooting in the city. It found that — regardless of the time of day, the number of wounds or the circumstances of the crime — the size of the bullet affected which gunshot victims lived and which ones died.

At the center of the debate about gun control lies the question of whether the availability of deadly weapons increases the seriousness of crime. Critics of gun control contend it doesn’t. As the popular bumper sticker argues: “Guns don’t kill people. People kill people.” The study set out to test that slogan -- and found it wanting.

“The type of weapon matters,” said Philip Cook, an emeritus professor of public policy at Duke University, and one of the study’s co-authors.

If all the shooters in Boston had used the types of guns in circulation with the biggest bullets, the homicide rate could have been 43 percent higher, the researchers calculated recently, even with the same people committing exactly the same crimes.

For shootings in which there is a recorded caliber. Caliber classification determined by researchers.
Over recent decades, the size of bullets fired by the typical handgun has increased. Changes in design have made it easier to fire big bullets from concealable weapons, and manufacturers have marketed more powerful guns as better tools for self-defense. In the 1970s and 1980s, the guns most commonly used in crime tended to be revolvers or small, inexpensive pistols that fired .22-caliber rounds, so-called for their 0.22-inch diameter.
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People Kill People. But the Bullets Seem to Matter.

Bigger bullets from smaller guns = harder to control guns and more misses....did they take that into account? Thought not.

 

[airplanemechanic]

Logically this makes sense but when using a firearm for defense you want it to be effective

By MARGOT SANGER-KATZ and QUOCTRUNG BUI MARCH 27, 2019

In Boston from 2010 to 2015, there were 221 gun homicides.

Research suggests that one change could have lowered that number by 40 percent: smaller bullets.

A study last year, published in JAMA Network Open, examined the type of weapon used in every fatal and nonfatal shooting in the city. It found that — regardless of the time of day, the number of wounds or the circumstances of the crime — the size of the bullet affected which gunshot victims lived and which ones died.

At the center of the debate about gun control lies the question of whether the availability of deadly weapons increases the seriousness of crime. Critics of gun control contend it doesn’t. As the popular bumper sticker argues: “Guns don’t kill people. People kill people.” The study set out to test that slogan -- and found it wanting.

“The type of weapon matters,” said Philip Cook, an emeritus professor of public policy at Duke University, and one of the study’s co-authors.

If all the shooters in Boston had used the types of guns in circulation with the biggest bullets, the homicide rate could have been 43 percent higher, the researchers calculated recently, even with the same people committing exactly the same crimes.

For shootings in which there is a recorded caliber. Caliber classification determined by researchers.
Over recent decades, the size of bullets fired by the typical handgun has increased. Changes in design have made it easier to fire big bullets from concealable weapons, and manufacturers have marketed more powerful guns as better tools for self-defense. In the 1970s and 1980s, the guns most commonly used in crime tended to be revolvers or small, inexpensive pistols that fired .22-caliber rounds, so-called for their 0.22-inch diameter.
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People Kill People. But the Bullets Seem to Matter.

Well then they would be perfectly happy with an AR-15. It's only .22 caliber.

 

[harmonica]

a kill shot will kill
.......what about medical help response times? people have been blown to hell in war, but still live
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Wynn turned to tell Moss where to fire and saw the tail fins of the RPG sticking out of Moss' side.

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[petro]

Logically this makes sense but when using a firearm for defense you want it to be effective

By MARGOT SANGER-KATZ and QUOCTRUNG BUI MARCH 27, 2019

In Boston from 2010 to 2015, there were 221 gun homicides.

Research suggests that one change could have lowered that number by 40 percent: smaller bullets.

A study last year, published in JAMA Network Open, examined the type of weapon used in every fatal and nonfatal shooting in the city. It found that — regardless of the time of day, the number of wounds or the circumstances of the crime — the size of the bullet affected which gunshot victims lived and which ones died.

At the center of the debate about gun control lies the question of whether the availability of deadly weapons increases the seriousness of crime. Critics of gun control contend it doesn’t. As the popular bumper sticker argues: “Guns don’t kill people. People kill people.” The study set out to test that slogan -- and found it wanting.

“The type of weapon matters,” said Philip Cook, an emeritus professor of public policy at Duke University, and one of the study’s co-authors.

If all the shooters in Boston had used the types of guns in circulation with the biggest bullets, the homicide rate could have been 43 percent higher, the researchers calculated recently, even with the same people committing exactly the same crimes.

For shootings in which there is a recorded caliber. Caliber classification determined by researchers.
Over recent decades, the size of bullets fired by the typical handgun has increased. Changes in design have made it easier to fire big bullets from concealable weapons, and manufacturers have marketed more powerful guns as better tools for self-defense. In the 1970s and 1980s, the guns most commonly used in crime tended to be revolvers or small, inexpensive pistols that fired .22-caliber rounds, so-called for their 0.22-inch diameter.
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People Kill People. But the Bullets Seem to Matter.

Well then they would be perfectly happy with an AR-15. It's only .22 caliber.

But, but, but it looks scary.

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

I cannot believe that Harmonica provided the only "helpful" comment lol

 

[airplanemechanic]

Well the whole premise of the thread is stupid.

The .22LR has killed more people than any other caliber.

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

Well the whole premise of the thread is stupid.

The .22LR has killed more people than any other caliber.

Maybe, but I was hoping for a discussion, not you all showing up & clowning me lol.

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

Okay so lets give you all some context. Last night I was thinking that the gun control folks will try anything to disarm lawful gun owners, so even though this story might seen obviously stupid to you that doesn't mean this isn't something that might end up next on the chopping block.

Then today in Washington state which already has a law in place that allows the police to confiscate firearms without due process under an extreme protection order, a new law is in the works that will allow the disarming of an individual upon a mere accusation at the time the police respond to a domestic violence call, for up to 5 days and I believe you have to petition the court to get the weapon back.

I'm not at odds with domestic violence victims who don't want their abusers to be {lawfully) in possession of a firearm in fear that they will use it against them. I am concerned however about how this law can be abused and the end-run around the 5th amendment's due process clause.

Domestic violence survivors push for bill requiring suspects to lose guns for 5 days
by Keith Eldridge | KOMO News

Monday, April 1st 2019
Domestic violence survivors push for bill requiring suspects to lose guns for 5 days (KOMO News) <p>{/p}

Survivors of domestic violence are urging state lawmakers to pass a bill that would have police take firearms away temporarily during arrests. They testified Monday at a state Senate hearing in Olympia.

"In an average month, 50 women have been shot to death by their partners," said domestic violence survivor Rebecca Houghton. "These numbers are shocking. We have to act. Domestic abusers should not have access to firearms, period."

House Bill 1225 establishes requirements for law enforcement officers when responding to domestic violence calls, including standards for removal of firearms and ammunition upon probable cause to believe a crime was committed, and protocols for inquiring of the victim regarding the abuser's access to and past use of firearms.

It provides that a firearm seized in connection with a domestic violence call may not be returned to the owner or person from whom it was obtained until five business days have elapsed since the firearm was obtained.

"The most dangerous times for victims of domestic violence are when they are trying to leave a relationship and immediately following a domestic violence arrest," said domestic violence survivor Logan Rysemus. "The presence of a firearm can turn a volatile situation deadly in a fraction of a second."

Domestic violence survivors push for bill requiring suspects to lose guns for 5 days​