Patton's take on WWII

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    For the most part Patton viewed the final disposition of Europe at the end of WWII as a huge strategic failure for the Allies (the US and Brits) because it left millions of acres of prime European real estate in the "hands of the descendants of Ghengis Khan" that is, the Rooskies.

    He hated them with all his heart and soul because he knew they were evil, devious scumbags and history bears him out.

    What you never learn from the movie "Patton", because Omar Bradley was an adviser on the movie, is that after the outbreak from Normandy, the Allies had a substantial portion of the German force in the west trapped in a pocket at Falaise. Bradley was Patton's superior and Patton urged that every effort be made to seal the pocket, annihilate the German forces and move with haste toward Berlin as the destruction of the German forces there would leave a huge vacuum.

    Bradley ignored Patton and that night in his diary Patton noted that Bradley loss of nerve in his failure to take full advantage was one of the greatest turning points in history.

    As we progressed East, the Russian progressed West. Patton wanted desperately to beat the Russian to Berlin, Prague and Vienna, but because FDR was taking advise from people who would later turn out to be genuine Communist spies, the Allies were held back so that the Russians could roll into these towns.

    Even the Nazis would have gladly surrendered to the US rather than the Russians, but a deal's a deal and Uncle Joe wasn't such a bad guy once you get to know him.

    The movie portrays Patton as a crazy man who for shits and giggles wanted to start a war with the Russians and that is the extent of most people knowledge of events.

    Had he and Bradley switched jobs as they had before the Slap, Falaise would have been closed and FDR would have had to shoot Patton to stop him from entering Berlin months ahead of "Uncle Joe" Stalin.

    Patton went to his grave knowing that all that was accomplished east of Berlin was that the world had traded a Fascist mass murderer for a Communist mass murderer.
     
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    While a strategic genius, Patton had a poor conception of the political realities of war.

    That is why he never progressed beyond his third star
     
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    Patton was a brilliant commander.
    And he was dead on about Russia as history shows us.
    Patton correctly saw Stalin as worse even than Hitler, and correctly predicted that they would dominate the entire theatre with great human suffering.

    At the same time however, what we would have done with Russia if we would have conquered them is a whole other story.
     
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    Yeah, that whole "Getting killed" thingy in 1945 might have had something to do with it too
     
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    he had four stars.

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    genius
     
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    My bad...forgot he got promoted right before he died
     
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    The Russians had just finished killing 4 million Germans.

    How many Americans would we have been willing to sacrifice?
     
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    The Russian Army at the end of the European war was just about completely evaporated.
    They couldn't have defeated an Ivory Coast invasion at that point.

    As a clarification, I am not saying I agree with Patton...as I said above, if we would have invaded/conquered Russia - what the hell would we have done with them?
     
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    Agree. Imagine the amount of starving people we would have had to support. Rebuilding Russia would make the Marshall plan look like pennies
     
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    No "we" could not. Russians are tough people and by that point they were harden fighters. Add in..anyone who's tried to conquer Russia has failed..and failed miserably.

    That's not taking into account that an attack on the Russians, an ally, would have broken the Alliance. The Chinese, while no friends of the Russians, for one, would not let such a treachery slide.
     

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