History Repeats....

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    Optimists such as myself, often see such repetition where there may or may not be same...

    This week the Democrat control of the House ends, and, possibly the war against Obamacare may reverse, and the tide turn against the elite progressive overlords...

    Speaking of the the fortunes of war reversing...

    On this date, January 4th, 1777, during the winter, British and Hessian forces attempted to gain supplies and grazing for their horses in New Jersey. The Continental Army, and specifically the Jersey militia, fought them at every opportunity.

    The period from January 4 to March 21, 1777 is known as the Forage War. In addition to German and British losses at Trenton and Princeton, more than 900 were killed, captured, wounded or missing in action during the Forage Wars.

    This action broke the confidence of the British forces and from that moment, “the Revolution was pretty much a done deal.” (David Hackett Fischer, "Washington’s Crossing")
     
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    „Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it"

    George Santayana „The Life of Reason“
     
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    Naw, the Teabaggers will get lost in myrid dingbat campaigns and so disgust the American People that we will see the Health Care Bill continue as passed until the pendulum swings in 2012, and the American Citizens give the Dems again an overwhelming majority in both houses, and we pass a single payer health care system.
     
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    So you are an optimist, that is good to know. ;) But surely history is something you must have heard about? It seems the right is always fighting against change and still losing. Not sure what 'reverse' meant above but just as Social Security was battered and beaten, it survives and may just be the nicest thing Americans do for themselves and for each other. A bit of real history writing about progressivism below for those not lost in the echo chamber of corporate sponsored revisionism.


    "The long range trend toward federal regulation, which found its beginnings in the Interstate Commerce Act of 1887 and the Sherman Act of 1890, which was quickened by a large number of measures in the Progressive era, and which has found its consummation in our time, was thus at first the response of a predominantly individualistic public to the uncontrolled and starkly original collectivism of big business. In America the growth of the nation state and its regulative powers has never been accepted with complacency by any large part of the middle-class public, which has not relaxed its suspicion of authority, and which even now gives repeated evidence of its intense dislike of statism. In our time this growth has been possible only under the stress of great national emergencies, domestic or military, and even then only in the face of continuous resistance from a substantial part of the pubic. In the progressive era it was possible only because of a widespread and urgent fear of business consolidation and private business authority. Since it has become common in recent years for ideologists of the extreme right to portray the growth of statism as the result of a sinister conspiracy of collectivists inspired by foreign ideologies, it is perhaps worth emphasizing that the first important steps toward the modern organization of society were taken by arch-individualists -the tycoons of the Gilded Age- and that the primitive beginning of modern statism was largely the work of men who were trying to save what they could of the eminently native Yankee values of individualism and enterprise." Richard Hofstadter 'The Age of Reform' pps233,234 [bold added]
     
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    1. Now, why would you begin a conversation with the condescension-dripping ' history is something you must have heard about?'

    Could it be a lack of manners, and civility?

    Could it be that you resent the perforations of your worldview that my posts provide?

    I'm going to guess it's both.

    2. The hallmark of folks like you is the sneering disrespect you have for the governed.
    When they disagree with you, you declare they are 'the right,' as in "...the right is always fighting against change and still losing."

    Especially when they spit in the eye of lefties, as in the following:

    "With Republicans on the brink of taking over the U.S. House of Representatives, voters continue to strongly support repeal of the national health care law passed by Democrats last March, but those who already have insurance are still almost evenly divided as to whether the law will force them to change their coverage.

    The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey of Likely Voters shows - for the second week in a row - that 60% favor repeal of the national health care law. This includes 46% who Strongly Favor repeal. Thirty-six percent (36%) oppose repeal of the law, with 27% who are Strongly Opposed. (To see survey question wording, click here.)

    Support for repeal has ranged from 50% to 63% in weekly tracking since March of last year.

    Seventy-six percent (76%) of voters with health insurance now rate their coverage as good or excellent. Only four percent (4%) describe it as poor."
    Health Care Law - Rasmussen Reports

    3. You must have been busy, and missed the recent election, or you surely wouldn't have claimed "...the right is always fighting against change and still losing," would you?

    Because that would have made you look quite foolish, wouldn't it?
     

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