Palin was right, Obamacare = Death Panels

[Sallow]

"We need death panels. Well, maybe not death panels, exactly, but unless we start allocating health care resources more prudently — rationing, by its proper name — the exploding cost of Medicare will swamp the federal budget.

Read more: Steven Rattner: 'We Need Death Panels'; Will PolitiFact Reverse 'Lie of the Year' Tag on Palin? | NewsBusters.org

"we are God's partners in matters of life and Death" -- Obama

http://www.usmessageboard.com/consp...chen-sure-willing-to-bet-your-life-on-it.html

See how the dots connect?

Will Progs apologize to Palin?

She was right when it comes to Republican policies..

Governor Jan Brewer personally revoked funding for medical procedures..and killed 2 Americans.

Medicaid Cuts Killing Ariz. Transplant Patients - CBS News

Grayson was right.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-usmvYOPfco]Alan Grayson on the GOP Health Care Plan: "Don't Get Sick! And if You Do Get Sick, Die Quickly!"' - YouTube[/ame]

This says it all:

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrQHcMucLVU]Republicans Tell Wolf Blitzer If Someone Does Not Buy Insurance Let Them Die - YouTube[/ame]

 

[Sallow]

Under medicare (coming from a rule from Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act AKA ObamaCare) payments to docs and hospitals are penalized if a patient returns to the hospital (or doctor) for treatment of the same illness.

In case liberals don't understand incentives, and everything we see suggests they they don't, doctors and hospitals will simply keep a patient (including heart, cancer, other death causing ilnesses) from returning to the hospital for treatment or observation.

It would create less economic harm to the hospital or doctor to just send the patient to their local pharmacy for a feel good pill.
And for that the patient will pay for the pill, and the doc and hospital not be punished financially.

That is a rule with the same outcome as Sarah's DEATH PANEL.

And that's patently not true.

 

[Caroljo]

Who is smarter... Sarah or Trig Palin?

I'd say BOTH are smarter than you....

 

[Katzndogz]

Under medicare (coming from a rule from Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act AKA ObamaCare) payments to docs and hospitals are penalized if a patient returns to the hospital (or doctor) for treatment of the same illness.

In case liberals don't understand incentives, and everything we see suggests they they don't, doctors and hospitals will simply keep a patient (including heart, cancer, other death causing ilnesses) from returning to the hospital for treatment or observation.

It would create less economic harm to the hospital or doctor to just send the patient to their local pharmacy for a feel good pill.
And for that the patient will pay for the pill, and the doc and hospital not be punished financially.

That is a rule with the same outcome as Sarah's DEATH PANEL.

obama said a woman who needed a pacemaker should just take a pill until she died.

 

[Murf76]

Under medicare (coming from a rule from Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act AKA ObamaCare) payments to docs and hospitals are penalized if a patient returns to the hospital (or doctor) for treatment of the same illness.

In case liberals don't understand incentives, and everything we see suggests they they don't, doctors and hospitals will simply keep a patient (including heart, cancer, other death causing ilnesses) from returning to the hospital for treatment or observation.

It would create less economic harm to the hospital or doctor to just send the patient to their local pharmacy for a feel good pill.
And for that the patient will pay for the pill, and the doc and hospital not be punished financially.

That is a rule with the same outcome as Sarah's DEATH PANEL.

Exactly. They lost their provision on paying doctors to encourage hospice care, so they're putting financial pressure on hospitals to do it. If you can push a Medicare patient in that direction, what happens next is that they are refused life-saving treatments and only offered palliative care.

 

[clevergirl]

Any time you have a third party financial interest in the middle, the outcome/decisions will be manipulated by that party. (aka death panels)

Making the government that party creates a situation where the patient has no recourse against an unsound/unfair decision with regards to their medical need/outcome.

At least with private insurance a person can appeal to their State Insurance Commissioner.

The fact of the matter is we should eliminate third party interests- except for the truly poor.

 

[geauxtohell]

"We need death panels. Well, maybe not death panels, exactly, but unless we start allocating health care resources more prudently — rationing, by its proper name — the exploding cost of Medicare will swamp the federal budget.

Read more: Steven Rattner: 'We Need Death Panels'; Will PolitiFact Reverse 'Lie of the Year' Tag on Palin? | NewsBusters.org

"we are God's partners in matters of life and Death" -- Obama

http://www.usmessageboard.com/consp...chen-sure-willing-to-bet-your-life-on-it.html

See how the dots connect?

Will Progs apologize to Palin?

Who the hell is Steven Rattner and why should I care?

 

[Bfgrn]

I am shocked!!!! !5 posts and not one insulted Palin.....I know it irks progressives if a woman is smart

Smart? Her false 'death panels' charge can only be viewed as extremely ignorant or extremely evil.

No one person could have done more to INCREASE the cost of Medicare than Palin's egregiously false 'death panel' claim.

 

[American Horse]

Under medicare (coming from a rule from Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act AKA ObamaCare) payments to docs and hospitals are penalized if a patient returns to the hospital (or doctor) for treatment of the same illness.

In case liberals don't understand incentives, and everything we see suggests they they don't, doctors and hospitals will simply keep a patient (including heart, cancer, other death causing ilnesses) from returning to the hospital for treatment or observation.

It would create less economic harm to the hospital or doctor to just send the patient to their local pharmacy for a feel good pill.
And for that the patient will pay for the pill, and the doc and hospital not be punished financially.

That is a rule with the same outcome as Sarah's DEATH PANEL.

And that's patently not true.

With all due respect Sallow, (and I do mean that) how do you remain so ignorant?
Could it be that you never avail yourself of facts because you are completely opposed to anything that is reported by FNC?

Read the report and watch the video which afterwards goes to another one with comments by Peter Johnson, Junior, trial and appellate lawyer. The video is well worth watching for those who prefer to know what's actually taking place in healthcare/Medicare, and there's a printed summary of the informaton down the page.


Read more/Video: More than 2,200 hospitals face penalties under ObamaCare rules | Fox News

 

[CrusaderFrank]

"We need death panels. Well, maybe not death panels, exactly, but unless we start allocating health care resources more prudently — rationing, by its proper name — the exploding cost of Medicare will swamp the federal budget.

Read more: Steven Rattner: 'We Need Death Panels'; Will PolitiFact Reverse 'Lie of the Year' Tag on Palin? | NewsBusters.org

"we are God's partners in matters of life and Death" -- Obama

http://www.usmessageboard.com/consp...chen-sure-willing-to-bet-your-life-on-it.html

See how the dots connect?

Will Progs apologize to Palin?

Who the hell is Steven Rattner and why should I care?

Go back to whatever it is you were doing, was it trying to find a mouth attachment for your vacuum cleaner?

 

[thanatos144]

I am shocked!!!! !5 posts and not one insulted Palin.....I know it irks progressives if a woman is smart

Smart? Her false 'death panels' charge can only be viewed as extremely ignorant or extremely evil.

No one person could have done more to INCREASE the cost of Medicare than Palin's egregiously false 'death panel' claim.

And yet she didnt lie did she? Irks you doesnt it?

 

[Bfgrn]

I am shocked!!!! !5 posts and not one insulted Palin.....I know it irks progressives if a woman is smart

Smart? Her false 'death panels' charge can only be viewed as extremely ignorant or extremely evil.

No one person could have done more to INCREASE the cost of Medicare than Palin's egregiously false 'death panel' claim.

And yet she didnt lie did she? Irks you doesnt it?

Yes, she DID lie. It was the PolitiFact's Lie of the Year. PolitiFact readers overwhelmingly supported the decision. Nearly 5,000 voted in a national poll to name the biggest lie.

It was as egregious as a lie can be. She took something that conservatives should absolutely EMBRACE and LIED to fearmonger and destroy reform.

And the FACT that the cost of treating people in the last year of life, consumes more than 25-30% of Medicare’s budget, Sarah Palin's LIE made health care MORE EXPENSIVE. She is destructive and wasting taxpayers money.

Here are Sarah Palin's 'death panels'...advanced directives

Advanced directives puts decisions in proper hands

It’s hard to imagine how a compassionate, family-friendly measure — a measure that ultimately respects individual rights — could be twisted so grossly into the erroneous phrase “death panels.”

But, prepare yourself for more lies and more nonsense, because President Barack Obama has decided to do the right thing — and his critics already have resorted to fear-mongering and name-calling.

The concept of advanced directives was pioneered in La Crosse, thanks to our two first-class health care institutions.

It’s a simple concept: An individual, with the help of family, should have the ultimate say in the type of end-of-life care the individual receives. The best way to do that is through a careful consultation, with family and physician, before there is a health crisis — while the individual is still capable of having a rational voice in the decision.

Too often, those decisions are made when it’s too late for the individual to make the decisions. Instead, grieving family members are left to make the decision — and at times it’s nothing more than a guess.

Would the individual want extraordinary measures taken when the end is near? Why wouldn’t we trust the individual — in advance and when thinking clearly — to make that decision?

For those who crusade for the rights of the individual, here’s the question: Why are you so opposed to the individual being able to set down on paper, with help from family and physician, the standards and wishes for end-of-life care?

The issue of death panels became so hot during this year’s debate on health-care reform legislation that Democrats decided to pull that provision from the bill.

 

[auditor0007]

You're either stupid or lying, I suspect both.

Really?

When you want an elective surgery and your insurance carrier requires you to get pre-approval, who do you think turns you down? The health fairy? When your doctor orders a test or surgery and your insurance carrier refuses to pay for it, who makes that decision?

Where do you think those letters of refusal come from? Out in never never land?

Let me give another example from right here in good ol' True Blue, Republican Texas.

Let's say you're in the hospital with a grievously dangerous and life-threatening illness. Your maximum insurance coverage is reached and you don't have the money to take up paying for the intensive care which is keeping you alive. What do think happens to you then?

Here in Texas, you're sent home to die. And, you know why? Because the doctors and hospital administrators have the legal right to decide when they've done all they can for you and that can be, and IS, dependent upon you being able to pay for it. You're not invited to the meeting they have over your life and neither is anybody representing you. That "death panel" has absolute power to kick you out of the hospital and let you die and you have no recourse.

You are talking to the brain dead. Honestly, until you really have to deal with these insurance companies, most people just aren't going to get it. It's just over their heads.

 

[JakeStarkey]

CrusaderFrank was right, Frank and thinking < - > don't mix

 

[CrusaderFrank]

You keep enjoying your free healthcare.

 

[thanatos144]

You keep enjoying your free healthcare.

They don't think they will be affected adversely by it LOL morons.

 

[JakeStarkey]

I do!

Free!!

After 12 years of Airborne Infantry and all the little incidents that go with that.

What about you?

You keep enjoying your free healthcare.

 

[Dot Com]

as if they didn't already exist Frank57 Denying procedures &/or claims is the same thing my friend.

 

[rdean]

Arizona Death Panel Claims Another Victim - Forbes

http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/news/articles/2010/12/09/20101209Montini1209.html

http://www.endpoliticsasusual.com/2...for-heart-transplants-opts-to-save-squirrels/

http://archive.truthout.org/killing-poor-instead-taxing-wealthy-arizona65214

Killing the Poor Instead of Taxing the Wealthy in Arizona

strange is that the only death panels have come from Republicans.

what do you expect from people who shout out "Let Him Die"?