If Alfie Evans were Muslim, Would the EU still be Starving Him To Death?

[Rustic]

One more reason to vote against socialized medicine. When the society pays your medical bills the society decides when YOU or your dependents die.

Your statement makes no sense.
If cost was the issue then the cheap option would have been to send him off to Italy.
Cost was not the issue.

They were incompetent morally and professionally, that’s socialism for you

 

[Rustic]

No

Experts who, unlike you, know what the hell they are talking about say otherwise.

You just repeat this notion the kid was a vegetable to sooth your evil bastard conscience which is about dead already.

That they do.

Scientists Have Reversed Brain Damage in a 2-Year-Old Girl Who Drowned in a Swimming Pool

Alfie wasn't a two year old who drowned in a pool. He had MDS and had already lost 70% of the white matter in his brain.

So, it should’ve been up to the parents 100% ~ 0% up to the government

No, the childs rights are paramount.

The government has no idea what real rights are, they are depraved in every way. Fucking control freaks

 

[Rustic]

One more reason to vote against socialized medicine. When the society pays your medical bills the society decides when YOU or your dependents die.

As opposed to a big corporation deciding when you die?

Okay, let's compare.

Alfie Evans- Brain dead, kept alive for months on the taxpayers dime until it was determined that he had no hope of recovery without artificial support.

vs.

Nataline Sarkisyan, a 17 year old girl who needed a liver transplant, the doctors said she had at least a 60% chance of recovery, but Cigna called the process "experimental" and refused to pay for it. Her father sued, but the courts ruled that because Cigna's contract was with his employer and not him, they could refuse the payments.

The government was incompetent, that’s what you get with socialism

 

[Rustic]

No he was a vegetable at the end of a terminal genetic condition. There was no normal life and new treatments that would saved him. Sure he could have been a human lab rat for a bit if he had gotten there sooner, but the end was inevitable

Experts who, unlike you, know what the hell they are talking about say otherwise.

You just repeat this notion the kid was a vegetable to sooth your evil bastard conscience which is about dead already.

Experts like the medical doctors who were treating him disagree with your trailer park diagnosis. Guess what. They were right. He's dead.

You should never of been up to the government, because they don’t give two shits about the kid or the the family.
Typical of socialism don’t give a shit about individuals

The only place that would take the kid and went to great lengths to take him in was Italy, a country with what you'd call socialist healthcare

The 16 countries with the world's best healthcare systems

Oh no, the US didn't make it again.

You get what you pay for buddy, socialism is the low-end of the totem pole.

 

[Coyote]

No, he could have had a normal life if he had some new treatments done, and why wouldnt the EU allow it if it is not at their expense and duly credentialed professionals are saying it is a plausible cure?

Maniacal wannabe murderers dont want their little precedent get away from them.

Uh, dude, where did you get your medical degree from, a cracker jack box?

The baby had 70% brain damage. In the very unlikely event he lived, he'd have been a vegetable his whole life.

It was more than that by Feb 2018, and all their attempts to slow or halt the disease had failed. These doctors also don’t work in isolation, they consult with experts around the world, and the Vatican could have sent their doctors there I would think.

That’s not the point, it should be only up to the parents no one else whatsoever. Fucking control freak motherfuckers

Like these parents?
Letting them die: parents refuse medical help for children in the name of Christ

A child isn't property.

 

[Rustic]

No, he could have had a normal life if he had some new treatments done, and why wouldnt the EU allow it if it is not at their expense and duly credentialed professionals are saying it is a plausible cure?

Maniacal wannabe murderers dont want their little precedent get away from them.

Uh, dude, where did you get your medical degree from, a cracker jack box?

The baby had 70% brain damage. In the very unlikely event he lived, he'd have been a vegetable his whole life.

It was more than that by Feb 2018, and all their attempts to slow or halt the disease had failed. These doctors also don’t work in isolation, they consult with experts around the world, and the Vatican could have sent their doctors there I would think.

That’s not the point, it should be only up to the parents no one else whatsoever. Fucking control freak motherfuckers

Like these parents?
Letting them die: parents refuse medical help for children in the name of Christ

A child isn't property.

Then the federal government should quit treating kids as it’s property, They should have zero say on anything to do with families.

 

[JimBowie1958]

Some great points being made on both sides, but I still think that the UK government committed murder here.

Socialized Medicine is the worst of all possible options.

It gives us the service of the VA, with the efficiency of the Post Office and the cost of giving them complete control of our lives when get old.

No thank you.

 

[Political Junky]

Some great points being made on both sides, but I still think that the UK government committed murder here.

Socialized Medicine is the worst of all possible options.

It gives us the service of the VA, with the efficiency of the Post Office and the cost of giving them complete control of our lives when get old.

No thank you.

You drank the Kool-Aid.

 

[JimBowie1958]

Some great points being made on both sides, but I still think that the UK government committed murder here.

Socialized Medicine is the worst of all possible options.

It gives us the service of the VA, with the efficiency of the Post Office and the cost of giving them complete control of our lives when get old.

No thank you.

You drank the Kool-Aid.

Well at least I know for a fact that when the UK government ordered the kid to be killed he was in a SEMI-VEGETATIVE STATE, not full.
When did Alfie Evans die, how long was he in Alder Hey hospital in Liverpool before passing away and who are his parents Kate James and Tom Evans?
All you know is what your boogers taste like,lol.

 

[Coyote]

No, he could have had a normal life if he had some new treatments done, and why wouldnt the EU allow it if it is not at their expense and duly credentialed professionals are saying it is a plausible cure?

Maniacal wannabe murderers dont want their little precedent get away from them.

Uh, dude, where did you get your medical degree from, a cracker jack box?

The baby had 70% brain damage. In the very unlikely event he lived, he'd have been a vegetable his whole life.

It was more than that by Feb 2018, and all their attempts to slow or halt the disease had failed. These doctors also don’t work in isolation, they consult with experts around the world, and the Vatican could have sent their doctors there I would think.

That’s not the point, it should be only up to the parents no one else whatsoever. Fucking control freak motherfuckers

Like these parents?
Letting them die: parents refuse medical help for children in the name of Christ

A child isn't property.

Then the federal government should quit treating kids as it’s property, They should have zero say on anything to do with families.

Really...and what about the kids in the article I linked to? What about child labor?

 

[Coyote]

Some great points being made on both sides, but I still think that the UK government committed murder here.

Socialized Medicine is the worst of all possible options.

It gives us the service of the VA, with the efficiency of the Post Office and the cost of giving them complete control of our lives when get old.

No thank you.

This wasn’t a socialized medicine issue, it had zero to do with it. Even in counties that have national healthcare plans, those who can afford to and want to can get care outside it. This is about a law that states when there is a dispute between parents and doctors in matters of serious illness the COURT can appoint an advocate for the child.

 

[Lucy Hamilton]

Sarah Palin has been completely vindicated regarding the Socialist genocidal maniacs running their health care system.

Even if it costs them nothing, no precious resources, and allowed the child to be cared for by others who volunteered to care for the child and pay the costs, THE EU BLOOD SUCKERS STILL WANT THE CHILD DEAD.

But I cant help but wonder, 'What if he was Muslim instead of Christian?

Exclusive - Sarah Palin: The 'Diabolical' Treatment of Alfie Evans Shows Our Future if We Ignore 'Death Panels' Warning

Alfie Evans is a critically ill toddler who was recently removed from life support against the wishes of his parents by order of the British government, following a United Kingdom High Court decision on April 11. British authorities also denied the parents’ request to transfer their child to a Vatican-owned children’s hospital for treatment at the invitation of Pope Francis and Vatican officials who offered to cover the child’s healthcare and travel expenses.

Palin said, “The hospital and quote-unquote ‘health care providers’ won’t listen to the parents of Alfie, and of course the parents want to take all these offers from others to help their special needs child who will die under the care of this hospital that is adhering to the socialized rationed health care rules.”


Palin recalled her 2009 Facebook post in which she coined the term “death panel” to warn of the dangers of the Democrats’ push for a government-controlled healthcare system. She wrote:

The Democrats promise that a government health care system will reduce the cost of health care, but as the economist Thomas Sowell has pointed out, government health care will not reduce the cost; it will simply refuse to pay the cost. And who will suffer the most when they ration care? The sick, the elderly, and the disabled, of course. The America I know and love is not one in which my parents or my baby with Down Syndrome will have to stand in front of Obama’s “death panel” so his bureaucrats can decide, based on a subjective judgment of their “level of productivity in society,” whether they are worthy of health care. Such a system is downright evil.

Health care by definition involves life and death decisions. Human rights and human dignity must be at the center of any health care discussion.

Palin reminded listeners that she had been “mocked” and “just about run out of town” for warning about “death panels” during the months leading up to the passage of Obamacare.

Left-wing PolitiFact described her “death panels” comment as its 2009 “Lie of the Year.” The comment inspired such heated debate that President Obama addressed her criticisms in a special joint session of Congress, where he said the idea “that we plan to set up panels of bureaucrats with the power to kill off senior citizens” is a “cynical and irresponsible” lie. However, in the years following the passage of Obamacare, left-wing pundits and Democrats like Howard Dean have openly admitted that Palin was correct that the denial of live-preserving treatment is inevitable within a system of rationed government-controlled health care.
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And of course, Alfie isnt the only one being deliberately murdered by EU authorities.

Alfie, Isaiah, Charlie: The Ill Children Mandated to Die by Hospitals Against Their Parents' Wishes | Breitbart

The fight for Alfie Evans’ life appears to be at a close as his father, on behalf of the family, signalled that he would be working with the hospital “on a plan that provides our boy with the dignity and comfort he needs” and asked his supporters to return to their everyday lives.
The ill toddler joins a list of other children removed from life support against their parents’ wishes, whose stories have touched the hearts of people around the world and whose fight for their short lives found the support from high-profiled figures such as Pope Francis, Polish President Andrzej Duda, European Parliament President Antonio Tajani, and U.S. President Donald J. Trump.​

Death Panels: Will Politifact Award Howard Dean 'Lie of the Year' | Breitbart

Palin Echoed by Hard Leftists | Breitbart

Four Times Obamacare Advocates Admitted It Will Kill Old People | Breitbart

I have commented already about Alfie Evans, a tragedy of incomprehensible proportions for any parent to have to think about. One thing is all the medical scans illustrated that Alfie's brain had suffered a 70% disintegration, so as there is no way to replace a human brain that is already 70% dead if this baby would have been kept alive artificially longer then what would have happened to him? Would he have recovered? No. So what would have in general happened to him?

 

[KGB]

It is a sad, heartbreaking story. I am hoping for a miracle.

The part that troubles me most is that the UK court is preventing Alfie's parents from taking him to Italy for treatment. Why do they have any say at all?

Apparently in the UK, the state owns your children. That should frighten us all.

It is grotesque the state can make this decision over the wishes of the parents.

 

[KGB]

Some great points being made on both sides, but I still think that the UK government committed murder here.

Socialized Medicine is the worst of all possible options.

It gives us the service of the VA, with the efficiency of the Post Office and the cost of giving them complete control of our lives when get old.

No thank you.

This wasn’t a socialized medicine issue, it had zero to do with it. Even in counties that have national healthcare plans, those who can afford to and want to can get care outside it. This is about a law that states when there is a dispute between parents and doctors in matters of serious illness the COURT can appoint an advocate for the child.

It’s a grotesque law...

 

[Lucy Hamilton]

It is a sad, heartbreaking story. I am hoping for a miracle.

The part that troubles me most is that the UK court is preventing Alfie's parents from taking him to Italy for treatment. Why do they have any say at all?

Apparently in the UK, the state owns your children. That should frighten us all.

I personally think that Alfie's parents should have been allowed to take him to Italy, I mean at that point they and Alfie had nothing else to lose and also considering The Vatican said it was going to pay for everything, however in the final analysis I am not sure what The Vatican would have been able to do beyond giving Alfie's parents Pastoral Care.

I am not sure what treatment in Italy was offered to Alfie, this considering from all I have read nobody even knew what terrible condition Alfie was suffering from and I'm also not sure what if any treatment could be offered for someone who has lost 70% of their brain, as I commented there is no medical way to replace 70% dead brain tissue. So what were they offering Alfie? A full brain transplant or what? Short of a full brain transplant what were they going to be able to do?

 

[Rustic]

Uh, dude, where did you get your medical degree from, a cracker jack box?

The baby had 70% brain damage. In the very unlikely event he lived, he'd have been a vegetable his whole life.

It was more than that by Feb 2018, and all their attempts to slow or halt the disease had failed. These doctors also don’t work in isolation, they consult with experts around the world, and the Vatican could have sent their doctors there I would think.

That’s not the point, it should be only up to the parents no one else whatsoever. Fucking control freak motherfuckers

Like these parents?
Letting them die: parents refuse medical help for children in the name of Christ

A child isn't property.

Then the federal government should quit treating kids as it’s property, They should have zero say on anything to do with families.

Really...and what about the kids in the article I linked to? What about child labor?

That’s the parents job...

 

[Lucy Hamilton]

Some great points being made on both sides, but I still think that the UK government committed murder here.

Socialized Medicine is the worst of all possible options.

It gives us the service of the VA, with the efficiency of the Post Office and the cost of giving them complete control of our lives when get old.

No thank you.

You drank the Kool-Aid.

Well at least I know for a fact that when the UK government ordered the kid to be killed he was in a SEMI-VEGETATIVE STATE, not full.
When did Alfie Evans die, how long was he in Alder Hey hospital in Liverpool before passing away and who are his parents Kate James and Tom Evans?
All you know is what your boogers taste like,lol.

No Government should replace the parents, the final decision should always be with the parents. Alfie was in a semi-vegetative state, but with 70% of his brain disintegrated he was heading into full-vegetative state, from all that I have read his condition was not going to be able to reversed, he was also deaf, blind and could not swallow.

 

[Lucy Hamilton]

He is someone's child and that should not be forgotten.

But killing him via starvation is fine.

That is inhumane, instead of withdrawing the food and water the humane method would be to just give them an injection and then they would be at peace within a minute.

 

[Lucy Hamilton]

Not a vegetable to me.

Jim it's a medical term and in medical terms Alfie had entered the stage of vegetation. 70% of his brain had disintegrated, he looked completely normal, but it wasn't about how he looked externally, it was what wasn't happening internally and that was 70% of his brain had disintegrated, he was deaf and blind, he was not aware of his surroundings, he was unable to function on any level by himself to sustain life, this is called a vegetative state.

 

[Lucy Hamilton]

Can you cite any cases where any individual with over 70% of his brain destroyed and replaced by spinal fluid has had a normal life or even regained consciousness?

Man with tiny brain shocks doctors

A man with an unusually tiny brain manages to live an entirely normal life despite his condition, which was caused by a fluid build-up in his skull.

Scans of the 44-year-old man’s brain showed that a huge fluid-filled chamber called a ventricle took up most of the room in his skull, leaving little more than a thin sheet of actual brain tissue (see image of the patient’s brain, above left).

“It is hard for me [to say] exactly the percentage of reduction of the brain, since we did not use software to measure its volume. But visually, it is more than a 50 to 75 per cent reduction,” says Lionel Feuillet, a neurologist at the Mediterranean University in Marseille, France.​

Feuillet and his colleagues describe the case of this patient in The Lancet. He is a married father of two children, and works as a civil servant.

No wants to murder him.

roflmao, you use semantics to evade the obvious; yes, when hideous people in power want to kill an innocent child who could live, it is MURDER.

"when hideous people in power want to kill an innocent child who could live"

In your opinion how would it have been possible for Alfie Evans to live, this with a 70% disintegration of his brain? As I commented already it is not medically possible to replace human brain tissue once it has disintegrated, so how can someone live under those circumstances?