Obama's Involvement In Bin Laden Takedown Was Simply A Nod

[mudwhistle]

A friend of mine at HQ EUCOM was a Green Beret and I found it funny that he thought Tampa Florida (when visiting HQ CENTCOM) was more dangerous than Iraq because you could get carjacked off base in the wrong hood.

Sure. "A friend of yours."

Don't live in total denial dude. I don't think anybody in Tampa has ever been in great danger of getting kidnapped and then having their head cut off online.

If you walk out of the gate in Mogadishu I guarantee you'd be killed in under an hour. There are some places that cities in the US are more dangerous than, if you go to into the wrong neighborhoods. But then again the rules are different in the ME or Africa from here. I always felt I was allowed to defend myself over there, but over here not so much. I think Obama and folks like him feel the odd need to be even. We shouldn't have any advantages. Ted Turner said this the other day.

 

[mudwhistle]

MSNBC says Obama ended two wars. Ended, not won.

They claim that Afghanistan is over.

All they're talking about is how important taking out OBL was. More important than winning wars and more important than being competent at diplomacy.

Obama can teach us something.

He can teach us how to say "Taleeban" and "Pakeestaan".

He can also teach how to lose wars and make it look acceptable.

 

[The T]

MSNBC says Obama ended two wars. Ended, not won.

They claim that Afghanistan is over.

All they're talking about is how important taking out OBL was. More important than winning wars and more important than being competent at diplomacy.

Obama can teach us something.

He can teach us how to say "Taleeban" and "Pakeestaan".

He can also teach how to lose wars and make it look acceptable.

What was the ONE word you didn't hear Obama utter in his trip to Astan?














VICTORY.

 

[mudwhistle]

MSNBC says Obama ended two wars. Ended, not won.

They claim that Afghanistan is over.

All they're talking about is how important taking out OBL was. More important than winning wars and more important than being competent at diplomacy.

Obama can teach us something.

He can teach us how to say "Taleeban" and "Pakeestaan".

He can also teach how to lose wars and make it look acceptable.

What was the ONE word you didn't hear Obama utter in his trip to Astan?














VICTORY.

Victory is a hated word in the far-left.

Almost as much as "the rich" is hated.

 

[mudwhistle]

If Obama keeps it up the SEALs will organize against him.

22 of them were killed shortly after the raid......and they feel that Obama was the cause.

The frustration—or, even anger—within the SEAL community is real, and has been brewing for months, particularly among a politically conservative core of operators. It started immediately after the raid, with questions among the Special Forces and intelligence community of whether the president should have waited to announce the kill to exploit the intelligence cache at Osama’s compound. It simmered after a Chinook helicopter was shot down, killing 30 Americans, 22 of them Navy SEALs from Team Six.

Was it a coincidence, SEALs asked themselves, catastrophe hit Team Six so soon after being named as the team responsible for the killing?

Will The Navy SEALs Swift Boat Obama?

 

[candycorn]

Any time the GOP has found something to bitch about the President on, they're in front of television cameras screaming that Obama is a socialist. Yeah, I'm pretty sure that I know how the GOP leadership is going to react.

You know as well as I do that's all Democrats in Washington have been doing since the 2000 election......."We were robbed........The Supreme court gave him the election.......Bush doesn't care about the troops........Bush lied people died.......The Attorney General fired 9 Federal Judges........Cheney outed a CIA operative......I inherited the worst economy since the Great Depression......".

Must I go on???

Bush did lie about WMDs or at least concealed the read doubt about the evidence while sexing up the incredible lack thereof (We don't want the smoking gun to be a mushroom cloud).

The AG did fire 9 Judges as I recall.

Cheney did out a CIA Operative or his COS did at least; most COS do not act on their own

Obama did inherit the worst economy since the Great Depression.

Please continue.

 

[mudwhistle]

You know as well as I do that's all Democrats in Washington have been doing since the 2000 election......."We were robbed........The Supreme court gave him the election.......Bush doesn't care about the troops........Bush lied people died.......The Attorney General fired 9 Federal Judges........Cheney outed a CIA operative......I inherited the worst economy since the Great Depression......".

Must I go on???

Bush did lie about WMDs or at least concealed the read doubt about the evidence while sexing up the incredible lack thereof (We don't want the smoking gun to be a mushroom cloud).

The AG did fire 9 Judges as I recall.

Cheney did out a CIA Operative or his COS did at least; most COS do not act on their own

Obama did inherit the worst economy since the Great Depression.

Please continue.

Screwing up the economy was a group effort.

Bush couldn't do it alone. He had to have help.

The Democrats took control of Congress on Jan 1st, 2007 and the economy started tanking shortly after. This is a statistical fact. The Democraps started talking down the economy over a year before that. They also forced GOP congressional leaders into a shared leadership role before that. Democrats were allowed to call hearings and hold committee meetings in front of the media. Members of the Bush Administration were under constant investigation for doing what the Executive Branch has done in the past. Normal activities were deemed illegal and immoral such as firing 9 federal judges. Clinton fired over 90, yet the Dems started an investigation into the firing of only 9.

The Democraps were able to force through several measures in the last decade. New housing and banking regulations made it easier for minorities to move into homes they couldn't afford and soon lost in foreclosure. The minimum-wage was raised. Unemployment benefits extended to 99 weeks, most of which is expiring for most of the beneficiaries. People have been out of work for so long that they have gotten soft. The ones that have run out of benefits are applying and being accepted as Social Security recipients under medical conditions....stress related or just getting by on whatever they can. Those folks have, according to the Obama Administration, left the work force and are not counted as unemployed. Close to half a million dropped off the rolls in April alone and helped Obama lower the unemployment rate to 8.1% under U-3. Under U-6 the actual rate is 14.5% according to the US government employment agency. The only way unemployment could get back to the rates under the Bush Administration of roughly 5% is if 500,000 new jobs are created per month for 5 years. The way Obama is making the rate go down is by allowing benefits to run out for those collecting benefits.

What a nice guy.

He hopes he can get rid of enough people to get the rate below 8%. Then the rate will be down to the levels that were common during the Carter years. Much better than the 9% and 10% we saw in 2009.

Obama was a member of the congress that made this all possible. He has blood on his hands as well.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

Okay Gaybiker.......how do you suppose the GOP could tear anyone apart?

Obama owns most of the media.

How would they do it?

Obama owns NBC, MSNBC, ABC, CBS, CNN, MTV, HBO, Comedy Central, etc.

All the GOP has is slightly more balanced reporting on Fox News.

You know........most of the shit you argue can't be proved, can it?

Okay, so now we're certain that Mudwhistle is a TOTAL neocon/teabagger flunkie nearing paranoid hysteria!

As the chronology of the posts shows, I proved his OP wrong, and now he's just pulling every and anything out of his ass in response. Pathetic.

Insults won't prove your case.

naw, but facts do.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

Okay Gaybiker.......how do you suppose the GOP could tear anyone apart?

Obama owns most of the media.

How would they do it?

Obama owns NBC, MSNBC, ABC, CBS, CNN, MTV, HBO, Comedy Central, etc.

All the GOP has is slightly more balanced reporting on Fox News.

You know........most of the shit you argue can't be proved, can it?

Okay, so now we're certain that Mudwhistle is a TOTAL neocon/teabagger flunkie nearing paranoid hysteria!

As the chronology of the posts shows, I proved his OP wrong, and now he's just pulling every and anything out of his ass in response. Pathetic.

Insults won't prove your case.

naw, but facts do.

What 'Gutsy Call'?: CIA Memo Reveals Admiral Controlled bin Laden Mission

Obama simply gave the go-ahead...

It's called being the Commander in Chief

 

[Liability]

* * * *

Bush did lie about WMDs or at least concealed the read doubt about the evidence while sexing up the incredible lack thereof (We don't want the smoking gun to be a mushroom cloud).* * * *

False.

 

[candycorn]

* * * *

Bush did lie about WMDs or at least concealed the read doubt about the evidence while sexing up the incredible lack thereof (We don't want the smoking gun to be a mushroom cloud).* * * *

False.

Okay, show me any credible evidence that there was an imminent threat from a nuclear bomb begin deployed by Iraq and I'll rescind the statement. Obvious (to most) is the fact that Condi Rice sexed up the threat.

That being said, the threat was more to Israel than us and it would have been just as devastating to our interests no doubt. But that very legitimate concern wasn't even front and center in the ramp up to the war in Iraq.

 

[Liability]

* * * *

Bush did lie about WMDs or at least concealed the read doubt about the evidence while sexing up the incredible lack thereof (We don't want the smoking gun to be a mushroom cloud).* * * *

False.

Okay, show me any credible evidence that there was an imminent threat from a nuclear bomb begin deployed by Iraq and I'll rescind the statement. Obvious (to most) is the fact that Condi Rice sexed up the threat.

That being said, the threat was more to Israel than us and it would have been just as devastating to our interests no doubt. But that very legitimate concern wasn't even front and center in the ramp up to the war in Iraq.

Nobody, not even Dr. Rice said anything about any imminent threat of a nuclear bomb from Iraq.

End of story.

You can spin, twist, turn, bend, spindle, mutilate (and did I mention spin?) what Dr Rice did say all day long every day for the rest of time, and you cannot convert it into something she didn't say or contend.

 

[candycorn]

Bush did lie about WMDs or at least concealed the read doubt about the evidence while sexing up the incredible lack thereof (We don't want the smoking gun to be a mushroom cloud).

The AG did fire 9 Judges as I recall.

Cheney did out a CIA Operative or his COS did at least; most COS do not act on their own

Obama did inherit the worst economy since the Great Depression.

Please continue.

Screwing up the economy was a group effort.

Bush couldn't do it alone. He had to have help.

The Democrats took control of Congress on Jan 1st, 2007 and the economy started tanking shortly after. This is a statistical fact. The Democraps started talking down the economy over a year before that. They also forced GOP congressional leaders into a shared leadership role before that. Democrats were allowed to call hearings and hold committee meetings in front of the media. Members of the Bush Administration were under constant investigation for doing what the Executive Branch has done in the past. Normal activities were deemed illegal and immoral such as firing 9 federal judges. Clinton fired over 90, yet the Dems started an investigation into the firing of only 9.

The Democraps were able to force through several measures in the last decade. New housing and banking regulations made it easier for minorities to move into homes they couldn't afford and soon lost in foreclosure. The minimum-wage was raised. Unemployment benefits extended to 99 weeks, most of which is expiring for most of the beneficiaries. People have been out of work for so long that they have gotten soft. The ones that have run out of benefits are applying and being accepted as Social Security recipients under medical conditions....stress related or just getting by on whatever they can. Those folks have, according to the Obama Administration, left the work force and are not counted as unemployed. Close to half a million dropped off the rolls in April alone and helped Obama lower the unemployment rate to 8.1% under U-3. Under U-6 the actual rate is 14.5% according to the US government employment agency. The only way unemployment could get back to the rates under the Bush Administration of roughly 5% is if 500,000 new jobs are created per month for 5 years. The way Obama is making the rate go down is by allowing benefits to run out for those collecting benefits.

What a nice guy.

He hopes he can get rid of enough people to get the rate below 8%. Then the rate will be down to the levels that were common during the Carter years. Much better than the 9% and 10% we saw in 2009.

Obama was a member of the congress that made this all possible. He has blood on his hands as well.

So by the same token; any speaking about the Obama economy isn't valid since obviously the Republicans have the House and can filibuster the senate to a standstill. Right?

Please continue although Liability may want to start treating you as a hostile witness.

 

[Liability]

Screwing up the economy was a group effort.

Bush couldn't do it alone. He had to have help.

The Democrats took control of Congress on Jan 1st, 2007 and the economy started tanking shortly after. This is a statistical fact. The Democraps started talking down the economy over a year before that. They also forced GOP congressional leaders into a shared leadership role before that. Democrats were allowed to call hearings and hold committee meetings in front of the media. Members of the Bush Administration were under constant investigation for doing what the Executive Branch has done in the past. Normal activities were deemed illegal and immoral such as firing 9 federal judges. Clinton fired over 90, yet the Dems started an investigation into the firing of only 9.

The Democraps were able to force through several measures in the last decade. New housing and banking regulations made it easier for minorities to move into homes they couldn't afford and soon lost in foreclosure. The minimum-wage was raised. Unemployment benefits extended to 99 weeks, most of which is expiring for most of the beneficiaries. People have been out of work for so long that they have gotten soft. The ones that have run out of benefits are applying and being accepted as Social Security recipients under medical conditions....stress related or just getting by on whatever they can. Those folks have, according to the Obama Administration, left the work force and are not counted as unemployed. Close to half a million dropped off the rolls in April alone and helped Obama lower the unemployment rate to 8.1% under U-3. Under U-6 the actual rate is 14.5% according to the US government employment agency. The only way unemployment could get back to the rates under the Bush Administration of roughly 5% is if 500,000 new jobs are created per month for 5 years. The way Obama is making the rate go down is by allowing benefits to run out for those collecting benefits.

What a nice guy.

He hopes he can get rid of enough people to get the rate below 8%. Then the rate will be down to the levels that were common during the Carter years. Much better than the 9% and 10% we saw in 2009.

Obama was a member of the congress that made this all possible. He has blood on his hands as well.

So by the same token; any speaking about the Obama economy isn't valid since obviously the Republicans have the House and can filibuster the senate to a standstill. Right?

Please continue although Liability may want to start treating you as a hostile witness.

Candy thinks that control of the House = filibuster.

 

[The T]

Screwing up the economy was a group effort.

Bush couldn't do it alone. He had to have help.

The Democrats took control of Congress on Jan 1st, 2007 and the economy started tanking shortly after. This is a statistical fact. The Democraps started talking down the economy over a year before that. They also forced GOP congressional leaders into a shared leadership role before that. Democrats were allowed to call hearings and hold committee meetings in front of the media. Members of the Bush Administration were under constant investigation for doing what the Executive Branch has done in the past. Normal activities were deemed illegal and immoral such as firing 9 federal judges. Clinton fired over 90, yet the Dems started an investigation into the firing of only 9.

The Democraps were able to force through several measures in the last decade. New housing and banking regulations made it easier for minorities to move into homes they couldn't afford and soon lost in foreclosure. The minimum-wage was raised. Unemployment benefits extended to 99 weeks, most of which is expiring for most of the beneficiaries. People have been out of work for so long that they have gotten soft. The ones that have run out of benefits are applying and being accepted as Social Security recipients under medical conditions....stress related or just getting by on whatever they can. Those folks have, according to the Obama Administration, left the work force and are not counted as unemployed. Close to half a million dropped off the rolls in April alone and helped Obama lower the unemployment rate to 8.1% under U-3. Under U-6 the actual rate is 14.5% according to the US government employment agency. The only way unemployment could get back to the rates under the Bush Administration of roughly 5% is if 500,000 new jobs are created per month for 5 years. The way Obama is making the rate go down is by allowing benefits to run out for those collecting benefits.

What a nice guy.

He hopes he can get rid of enough people to get the rate below 8%. Then the rate will be down to the levels that were common during the Carter years. Much better than the 9% and 10% we saw in 2009.

Obama was a member of the congress that made this all possible. He has blood on his hands as well.

So by the same token; any speaking about the Obama economy isn't valid since obviously the Republicans have the House and can filibuster the senate to a standstill. Right?

Please continue although Liability may want to start treating you as a hostile witness.

Candy thinks that control of the House = filibuster.

Obviously a victim of Gubmint Schools...

 

[candycorn]

Screwing up the economy was a group effort.

Bush couldn't do it alone. He had to have help.

The Democrats took control of Congress on Jan 1st, 2007 and the economy started tanking shortly after. This is a statistical fact. The Democraps started talking down the economy over a year before that. They also forced GOP congressional leaders into a shared leadership role before that. Democrats were allowed to call hearings and hold committee meetings in front of the media. Members of the Bush Administration were under constant investigation for doing what the Executive Branch has done in the past. Normal activities were deemed illegal and immoral such as firing 9 federal judges. Clinton fired over 90, yet the Dems started an investigation into the firing of only 9.

The Democraps were able to force through several measures in the last decade. New housing and banking regulations made it easier for minorities to move into homes they couldn't afford and soon lost in foreclosure. The minimum-wage was raised. Unemployment benefits extended to 99 weeks, most of which is expiring for most of the beneficiaries. People have been out of work for so long that they have gotten soft. The ones that have run out of benefits are applying and being accepted as Social Security recipients under medical conditions....stress related or just getting by on whatever they can. Those folks have, according to the Obama Administration, left the work force and are not counted as unemployed. Close to half a million dropped off the rolls in April alone and helped Obama lower the unemployment rate to 8.1% under U-3. Under U-6 the actual rate is 14.5% according to the US government employment agency. The only way unemployment could get back to the rates under the Bush Administration of roughly 5% is if 500,000 new jobs are created per month for 5 years. The way Obama is making the rate go down is by allowing benefits to run out for those collecting benefits.

What a nice guy.

He hopes he can get rid of enough people to get the rate below 8%. Then the rate will be down to the levels that were common during the Carter years. Much better than the 9% and 10% we saw in 2009.

Obama was a member of the congress that made this all possible. He has blood on his hands as well.

So by the same token; any speaking about the Obama economy isn't valid since obviously the Republicans have the House and can filibuster the senate to a standstill. Right?

Please continue although Liability may want to start treating you as a hostile witness.

Candy thinks that control of the House = filibuster.

No; the filibuster is only available to the US Senate. It takes a vote of 60 to close a filibuster--it's called a cloture motion I believe. So unless one party or the other have 60; the other side is capable of stymieing (sp?) business.

 

[mudwhistle]

* * * *

Bush did lie about WMDs or at least concealed the read doubt about the evidence while sexing up the incredible lack thereof (We don't want the smoking gun to be a mushroom cloud).* * * *

False.

Okay, show me any credible evidence that there was an imminent threat from a nuclear bomb begin deployed by Iraq and I'll rescind the statement. Obvious (to most) is the fact that Condi Rice sexed up the threat.

That being said, the threat was more to Israel than us and it would have been just as devastating to our interests no doubt. But that very legitimate concern wasn't even front and center in the ramp up to the war in Iraq.

Problem with your demand is that Bush never said that. He said they were still years away from having a nuke program, but as Iran has proved, it is a problem because of the threat.

The reasons that we went into Iraq are many.

1. Saddam was firing at our aircraft on a regular basis
2. Saddam was paying $25,000 to the families of suicide-bombers in Israel.
3. Many of the fighters that were booted out of Afghanistan received medical treatment in Iraq.
4. Saddam was playing a game of cat and mouse with UN weapons inspectors.
5. Saddam had used WMDs on Iran during their war in the 80s.
6. Saddam had fired SCUD missiles into Israel.
7. Saddam attempted to take over the Saudi oil-fields in the lead up to Desert Storm.
8. Saddam butchered thousands of Kuwaitis when he took their oil-fields and their country.
9. Saddam poisoned thousands of Kurds to the North.
10. Saddam's sons were murdering their own people, focusing on the Shiites in the South at times, but mostly killing them on a whim.
11. Saddam had purchased over 500 tons of yellow-cake uranium which was discovered in a bunker next to the Tuwaitha nuclear complex about 12 miles south of Baghdad. U.S. removes 'yellowcake' from Iraq - World news - Mideast/N. Africa - Conflict in Iraq - msnbc.com
12. The main threat from Saddam was Sarin Gas. The delivery system was a howitzer projectile with two separate chambers that mixed binary agents on impact. CDC | Facts About Sarin
13. Iraq was a strategic area that was being used by Al Qaeda and other terrorist organizations. Aircraft could be launched easily into Iran if they continued to build nuke facilities. Thanks to Obama the US nor the Israelis can launch raids to destroy their facilities.
14. Iraq was a way to pull terrorists out of Afghanistan, and the US, and fight them on our terms instead of their home court, as is the case in Pakistan and Afghanistan.
15. The kicker was the fact that Russia was helping Saddam build nuke facilities and weapons programs in Iraq in exchange for $10 a barrel oil, which was illegal according to the cease-fire agreement he signed with us after Desert Storm.

 

[candycorn]

False.

Okay, show me any credible evidence that there was an imminent threat from a nuclear bomb begin deployed by Iraq and I'll rescind the statement. Obvious (to most) is the fact that Condi Rice sexed up the threat.

That being said, the threat was more to Israel than us and it would have been just as devastating to our interests no doubt. But that very legitimate concern wasn't even front and center in the ramp up to the war in Iraq.

Problem with your demand is that Bush never said that. He said they were still years away from having a nuke program, but as Iran has proved, it is a problem because of the threat.

The reasons that we went into Iraq are many.

1. Saddam was firing at our aircraft on a regular basis
2. Saddam was paying $25,000 to the families of suicide-bombers in Israel.
3. Many of the fighters that were booted out of Afghanistan received medical treatment in Iraq.
4. Saddam was playing a game of cat and mouse with UN weapons inspectors.
5. Saddam had used WMDs on Iran during their war in the 80s.
6. Saddam had fired SCUD missiles into Israel.
7. Saddam attempted to take over the Saudi oil-fields in the lead up to Desert Storm.
8. Saddam butchered thousands of Kuwaitis when he took their oil-fields and their country.
9. Saddam poisoned thousands of Kurds to the North.
10. Saddam's sons were murdering their own people, focusing on the Shiites in the South at times, but mostly killing them on a whim.
11. Saddam had purchased over 500 tons of yellow-cake uranium which was discovered in a bunker next to the Tuwaitha nuclear complex about 12 miles south of Baghdad. U.S. removes 'yellowcake' from Iraq - World news - Mideast/N. Africa - Conflict in Iraq - msnbc.com
12. The main threat from Saddam was Sarin Gas. The delivery system was a howitzer projectile with two separate chambers that mixed binary agents on impact. CDC | Facts About Sarin
13. Iraq was a strategic area that was being used by Al Qaeda and other terrorist organizations. Aircraft could be launched easily into Iran if they continued to build nuke facilities. Thanks to Obama the US nor the Israelis can launch raids to destroy their facilities.
14. Iraq was a way to pull terrorists out of Afghanistan, and the US, and fight them on our terms instead of their home court, as is the case in Pakistan and Afghanistan.
15. The kicker was the fact that Russia was helping Saddam build nuke facilities and weapons programs in Iraq in exchange for $10 a barrel oil, which was illegal according to the cease-fire agreement he signed with us after Desert Storm.

Yes, his National Security Adviser said it:

Search for the 'smoking gun' - CNN

The point was that the march to war was sexed up by such statements. Which was what I've said all along.

As for going to war in 2003 over the use of WMDs in the 1980's...are you really as insane as you sound?

 

[mudwhistle]

Screwing up the economy was a group effort.

Bush couldn't do it alone. He had to have help.

The Democrats took control of Congress on Jan 1st, 2007 and the economy started tanking shortly after. This is a statistical fact. The Democraps started talking down the economy over a year before that. They also forced GOP congressional leaders into a shared leadership role before that. Democrats were allowed to call hearings and hold committee meetings in front of the media. Members of the Bush Administration were under constant investigation for doing what the Executive Branch has done in the past. Normal activities were deemed illegal and immoral such as firing 9 federal judges. Clinton fired over 90, yet the Dems started an investigation into the firing of only 9.

The Democraps were able to force through several measures in the last decade. New housing and banking regulations made it easier for minorities to move into homes they couldn't afford and soon lost in foreclosure. The minimum-wage was raised. Unemployment benefits extended to 99 weeks, most of which is expiring for most of the beneficiaries. People have been out of work for so long that they have gotten soft. The ones that have run out of benefits are applying and being accepted as Social Security recipients under medical conditions....stress related or just getting by on whatever they can. Those folks have, according to the Obama Administration, left the work force and are not counted as unemployed. Close to half a million dropped off the rolls in April alone and helped Obama lower the unemployment rate to 8.1% under U-3. Under U-6 the actual rate is 14.5% according to the US government employment agency. The only way unemployment could get back to the rates under the Bush Administration of roughly 5% is if 500,000 new jobs are created per month for 5 years. The way Obama is making the rate go down is by allowing benefits to run out for those collecting benefits.

What a nice guy.

He hopes he can get rid of enough people to get the rate below 8%. Then the rate will be down to the levels that were common during the Carter years. Much better than the 9% and 10% we saw in 2009.

Obama was a member of the congress that made this all possible. He has blood on his hands as well.

So by the same token; any speaking about the Obama economy isn't valid since obviously the Republicans have the House and can filibuster the senate to a standstill. Right?

Please continue although Liability may want to start treating you as a hostile witness.

Nope.

I knew the economy would stabilize once the GOP took back the House.

It would bring most of the nonsense that was taking place in congress to a halt......but it hasn't halted the BS going on in the White House.

The economy showed signs of improvement and I knew Obama would claim credit like he always does when something starts improving.

The fear of what he will do next is what's holding the economy back. The increase in new jobs was cut in half in April but the end of unemployment benefits for workers allowed Obama to erase almost half a million people from the work-force.

He's still looking at over 8% unemployment even after fudging the numbers. This is nothing to brag about......but somehow he feels he can.

 

[mudwhistle]

Okay, show me any credible evidence that there was an imminent threat from a nuclear bomb begin deployed by Iraq and I'll rescind the statement. Obvious (to most) is the fact that Condi Rice sexed up the threat.

That being said, the threat was more to Israel than us and it would have been just as devastating to our interests no doubt. But that very legitimate concern wasn't even front and center in the ramp up to the war in Iraq.

Problem with your demand is that Bush never said that. He said they were still years away from having a nuke program, but as Iran has proved, it is a problem because of the threat.

The reasons that we went into Iraq are many.

1. Saddam was firing at our aircraft on a regular basis
2. Saddam was paying $25,000 to the families of suicide-bombers in Israel.
3. Many of the fighters that were booted out of Afghanistan received medical treatment in Iraq.
4. Saddam was playing a game of cat and mouse with UN weapons inspectors.
5. Saddam had used WMDs on Iran during their war in the 80s.
6. Saddam had fired SCUD missiles into Israel.
7. Saddam attempted to take over the Saudi oil-fields in the lead up to Desert Storm.
8. Saddam butchered thousands of Kuwaitis when he took their oil-fields and their country.
9. Saddam poisoned thousands of Kurds to the North.
10. Saddam's sons were murdering their own people, focusing on the Shiites in the South at times, but mostly killing them on a whim.
11. Saddam had purchased over 500 tons of yellow-cake uranium which was discovered in a bunker next to the Tuwaitha nuclear complex about 12 miles south of Baghdad. U.S. removes 'yellowcake' from Iraq - World news - Mideast/N. Africa - Conflict in Iraq - msnbc.com
12. The main threat from Saddam was Sarin Gas. The delivery system was a howitzer projectile with two separate chambers that mixed binary agents on impact. CDC | Facts About Sarin
13. Iraq was a strategic area that was being used by Al Qaeda and other terrorist organizations. Aircraft could be launched easily into Iran if they continued to build nuke facilities. Thanks to Obama the US nor the Israelis can launch raids to destroy their facilities.
14. Iraq was a way to pull terrorists out of Afghanistan, and the US, and fight them on our terms instead of their home court, as is the case in Pakistan and Afghanistan.
15. The kicker was the fact that Russia was helping Saddam build nuke facilities and weapons programs in Iraq in exchange for $10 a barrel oil, which was illegal according to the cease-fire agreement he signed with us after Desert Storm.

Yes, his National Security Adviser said it:

Search for the 'smoking gun' - CNN

The point was that the march to war was sexed up by such statements. Which was what I've said all along.

As for going to war in 2003 over the use of WMDs in the 1980's...are you really as insane as you sound?

Insane??? LMAO!!!!

At least I don't base an entire presidency off of getting OBL.