Murf76
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- Nov 11, 2008
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Surely you'll agree that more than one of those Democrats had pressure from Republican peers in Congress, right? It wasn't all just moral stands against evil. Wait, that's right. You won't ever concede in even one point in any debate. I'll continue nonetheless.
The pressure to get rid of it was part of a larger picture. And this was back when Republicans wanted nothing to do with the whole issue. Their plan was to stonewall completely. But that didn't work, now did it? You had to admit that reform was needed and that you needed to work with Dems to get something done.
But let's go back...you equate the Baucus group and other valid attempts to be bi-partisan as a minor maraschino cherry...but you have to start somewhere.
Which is what Obama tried to do in the televised event. Start with where you agreed, albeit however small, and build from there. What did Cantor say? He used his prop of the number of pages to say "we want to start over."
Face it, politics these days has NOTHING to do with bipartisanship or compromise. It's whatever side can use the leverage they have to get things done. So don't whine if Dems play by the rules both sides have contributed to.
You do make a good point though that the differences are so fundamental that THERE CANT BE a bridge. And where does that take us? Well that takes us back to whomever has the most power makes the rules.
Crazy, ain't it?
Ugh... you can't "start with where you agreed, albeit however small, and build from there" if the place you start is the SOURCE of the disagreement.
I honestly don't understand why you can't accept that starting with one's own bill is NOT an attempt to compromise. We've been over this again... and again... and again. When you start with your own non-negotiable deal-breakers, you're not going to get any meaningful agreement.
Bottom line. None of this has had a damn thing to do with Republicans. You had a supermajority, but as usual the loony left has over-reached and all but destroyed your "moderates".
If I was a "centrist" Democrat... I'd be pissed off about that right about now.