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I think its quite clear that Republicans have the same dissatisfaction regarding the balance inherent in the political process. Its just that the Democrats have not done any where near as good a job as the Republicans did at demonizing their opposition (i.e. you're either with us or with the terrorist rhetoric and mentality they spewed).
So, when bushie and dead-eye dick(less) started using illegal wire taps (before September 11, 2001), reading emails without a warrant and illegally entering private residence, you were all over that right?
There's nothing unconstitutional about the healthcare bill process.
I guess you're just dismissing Obama's spending a full year trying to get the GOP to engage in bipartisian governing, right? And I guess you're also missing the GOP declaring it as their mission to cause him to fail, right?
Also, what happens when the other side (GOP) refuses to negotiate unless they can have it their way? Should he (Obama) just roll up the federal government tent and tell all the people who voted for him that he can't get anything done because the GOP won't play nice?
There's nothing unconstitutional about the healthcare bill process.
Well, accept of course the fact that the Federal Government has no power to do anything about healthcare to begin with.
I guess you're just dismissing Obama's spending a full year trying to get the GOP to engage in bipartisian governing, right? And I guess you're also missing the GOP declaring it as their mission to cause him to fail, right?
Also, what happens when the other side (GOP) refuses to negotiate unless they can have it their way? Should he (Obama) just roll up the federal government tent and tell all the people who voted for him that he can't get anything done because the GOP won't play nice?
It was Obama's JOB to set the tone of bipartisanship in Washington. That was his campaign promise. And he has failed utterly, beginning with Porkulus. "We won so we write the bill"... THAT is his idea of "bipartisanship". Even his supposed effort to mend fences was an overtly deceitful cover for ramming his socialist healthcare bill down our throats on reconciliation.
He can get stuffed now. I hope to God they fight him every last inch of the way. He DESERVES to fail. Because his "success" means that he turns this country into just another European-styled Social Democracy... a nanny state, a giant playpen where sovereign citizens are treated as infants. And we see, on the streets of Athens today, how well that shit works out.
What the fuck are you even talking about? Are you that detatched from reality??? The first 1 is stupid enough... but are you actually contending that Bush and Cheney were breaking into homes and reading your e-mails? You need help, serious help. Or, at the very least, lay off the weed. /QUOTE]
The Bush/Cheney Justice Department released files in which it was clearly shown that illegal wire taps had been used by the Administration. Illegal monitoring of emails was also documented.
It has further been documented that the Bush Administration, well before the attacks of September 11, 2001 had engaged in illegal electronic surveilance of the private emails of U.S. Citizens.
I know, your used to bush worship, all your righties who would be willing to give all your freedoms in the name of a war that itself was illegal.
But guess what, it did happen and no matter how much you would want to deny it, that does not change the truth of matter and that truth is that bushie baby and dead-eye dick(less) used the United States Constitution for toilet paper.
There's nothing unconstitutional about the healthcare bill process.
Yet.
There's nothing unconstitutional about the healthcare bill process.
Well, accept of course the fact that the Federal Government has no power to do anything about healthcare to begin with.
I haven't seen any legitimate effort from Obama or the democrats to bring the republicans into the process. I've said it before and will say it again. If Brown didn't win, then i highly doubt the health care summit would've happened, not that it accomplished anything. The republicans submitted their alternate health bill a long time ago and there's barely anything that they're pushing for in these health care bills.I guess you're just dismissing Obama's spending a full year trying to get the GOP to engage in bipartisianship governing, right? And I guess you're also missing the GOP declaring it as their mission to cause him to fail, right?
Also, what happens when the other side (GOP) refuses to negotiate unless they can have it their way? Should he (Obama) just roll up the federal government tent and tell all the people who voted for him that he can't get anything done because the GOP won't play nice?
And once again, until Brown won, the democrats didn't need the republicans for anything, so it hasn't mattered if they played nice since February. If Obama can't get things done because he's not willing to compromise enough, then that's his fault. There are some soft republican senators who would vote for the bills if there were just some relatively small things that were added or taken out, but that doesn't appear to be good enough for him, Reid and Pelosi.
Yes, cause your head is either up your ass, or blinded by your hackery. He's made plenty of attempts to get bipartisan involvement
In a recent interview with Katie Couric, President Obama indicated clear disdain for the requirement of negotiation in politics. His yearning for having the power to simply inact his will upon America is clear - his dissatisfaction regarding the balance of powers inherent in the American political system equally clear.
No better example of this is the still-ongoing healthcare debate - a debate that continues simply from the repeated arrogance and ignorance of this president. Obama has become increasingly tone deaf, demanding to have something - anything, upon which he can put his name to. This president has pouted, bribed, chided, threatened, and is now nearing an outright tantrum in demanding Congress send him a bill that the American people clearly do not want.
As such, Obama represents the American Progressive, that flailing child of academia, who wishes to do away with a government of the people to be replaced by a government of the one. Panels of experts and Czars who answer only to him shall push out the model of representation, thus eliminating the messy negotiations that make up American politics.
For you see, the American people are too dumb, too lazy, too demanding of solutions they cannot grasp. They are too busy "clinging to their guns and religion" as it were. And so, why not simply allow Obama to give them what he knows they need - their own opinions on the matter be damned?
In a recent interview with Katie Couric, President Obama indicated clear disdain for the requirement of negotiation in politics. His yearning for having the power to simply inact his will upon America is clear - his dissatisfaction regarding the balance of powers inherent in the American political system equally clear.
No better example of this is the still-ongoing healthcare debate - a debate that continues simply from the repeated arrogance and ignorance of this president. Obama has become increasingly tone deaf, demanding to have something - anything, upon which he can put his name to. This president has pouted, bribed, chided, threatened, and is now nearing an outright tantrum in demanding Congress send him a bill that the American people clearly do not want.
As such, Obama represents the American Progressive, that flailing child of academia, who wishes to do away with a government of the people to be replaced by a government of the one. Panels of experts and Czars who answer only to him shall push out the model of representation, thus eliminating the messy negotiations that make up American politics.
For you see, the American people are too dumb, too lazy, too demanding of solutions they cannot grasp. They are too busy "clinging to their guns and religion" as it were. And so, why not simply allow Obama to give them what he knows they need - their own opinions on the matter be damned?
that flailing child of academia
In the Republican lexicon, "smart" is the new "stupid".
To para-phrase yourself, "reading comprehension asshole." I said legitimate attempts to bring republicans into the process. All Obama has done is said that he wants this to be a bi-partisan bill but doesn't follow it up with anything of substance. He said the republicans have no ideas then later admits that they submitted their own bill. When asked to compromise a little bit early in the process, he told republicans "I won." When they had the super majority in the Senate, I didn't see Reid going out of his way to cater to republican ideas whatsoever. Even when a few democrats weren't in favor it, he didn't even attempt to reach out to republicans in any way to get one of their votes instead, he just made backroom deals with the democrat hold-outs.
To para-phrase yourself, "reading comprehension asshole." I said legitimate attempts to bring republicans into the process. All Obama has done is said that he wants this to be a bi-partisan bill but doesn't follow it up with anything of substance. He said the republicans have no ideas then later admits that they submitted their own bill. When asked to compromise a little bit early in the process, he told republicans "I won." When they had the super majority in the Senate, I didn't see Reid going out of his way to cater to republican ideas whatsoever. Even when a few democrats weren't in favor it, he didn't even attempt to reach out to republicans in any way to get one of their votes instead, he just made backroom deals with the democrat hold-outs.
If Obama and the democrats want to try to go at it alone and use their majorities to try to muscle these bills through, then fine, they earned that ability in the last elections... i would just appreciate it if they and their loyal followers didn't lie about trying to be bi-partisan along the way.
Biden reminded you during the television debacle that what Obama's proposing has a LOT of ideas from Republicans. Oh wait, Obama reminded you of that during his Question Time with Repubs, too.
And the little panel that Baucus led...that had Republicans on it if memory serves. And the reason why that went so slowly was AN ATTEMPT TO BE BIPARTISAN.
Holy hell...if Dems hadn't been trying to be bipartisan...we'd still have a bloody public option.
You want to see someone shred the constitution? Watch Cheney's Law from PBS.
CHENEY'S LAW - PBS FRONTLINE
They lead you right through how Cheney took up Nixon's mantle and thought "if the President does it, it's per se constitutional." Utter rubbish.
The Constitution is the supreme law of the land.There's nothing unconstitutional about the healthcare bill process.
Yet.
elections have consequences. republicans need to deal with that.
In a recent interview with Katie Couric, President Obama indicated clear disdain for the requirement of negotiation in politics. His yearning for having the power to simply inact his will upon America is clear - his dissatisfaction regarding the balance of powers inherent in the American political system equally clear.
No better example of this is the still-ongoing healthcare debate - a debate that continues simply from the repeated arrogance and ignorance of this president. Obama has become increasingly tone deaf, demanding to have something - anything, upon which he can put his name to. This president has pouted, bribed, chided, threatened, and is now nearing an outright tantrum in demanding Congress send him a bill that the American people clearly do not want.
As such, Obama represents the American Progressive, that flailing child of academia, who wishes to do away with a government of the people to be replaced by a government of the one. Panels of experts and Czars who answer only to him shall push out the model of representation, thus eliminating the messy negotiations that make up American politics.
For you see, the American people are too dumb, too lazy, too demanding of solutions they cannot grasp. They are too busy "clinging to their guns and religion" as it were. And so, why not simply allow Obama to give them what he knows they need - their own opinions on the matter be damned?
