Obama to visit Middle East - but NOT Israel

[DavidS]

Beautiful statement. Almost brings a tear to my eye in pride.

 

[RodISHI]

Jordanian-Israeli General Armistice Agreement, April 3, 1949

Preamble

The Parties to the present Agreement,

Responding to the Security Council resolution of 16 November 1948,(2) calling upon them, as a further provisional measure under Article 40 of the Charter of the United Nations and in order to facilitate the transition from the present truce to permanent peace in Palestine, to negotiate an armistice;

Having decided to enter into negotiations under United Nations chairmanship concerning the implementation of the Security Council resolution of 16 November 1948; and having appointed representatives empowered to negotiate and conclude an Armistice Agreement;

The undersigned representatives of their respective Governments, having exchanged their full powers found to be in good and proper form, have agreed upon the following provisions:
Article I

With a view to promoting the return of permanent peace in Palestine and in recognition of the importance in this regard of mutual assurances concerning the future military operations of the Parties, the following principles, which shall be fully observed by both Parties during the armistice, are hereby affirmed:

1. The injunction of the Security Council against resort to military force in the settlement of the Palestine question shall henceforth be scrupulously respected by both Parties;

2. No aggressive action by the armed forces-land, sea, or air-of either Party shall be undertaken, planned, or threatened against the people or the armed forces of the other; it being understood that the use of the term planned in this context has no bearing on normal staff planning as generally practiced in military organizations;

3. The right of each Party to its security and freedom from fear of attack by the armed forces of the other shall be fully respected;

4. The establishment of an armistice between the armed forces of the two Parties is accepted as an indispensable step toward the liquidation of armed conflict and the restoration of peace in Palestine.
Article II

With a specific view to the implementation of the resolution of the Security Council of 16 November 1948, the following principles and purposes are affirmed:

1. The principle that no military or political advantage should be gained under the truce ordered by the Security Council is recognized;

2. It is also recognized that no provision of this Agreement shall in any way prejudice the rights, claims and positions of either Party hereto in the ultimate peaceful settlement of the Palestine question, the provisions of this Agreement being dictated exclusively by military considerations.
Article III

1. In pursuance of the foregoing principles and of the resolution of the Security Council of 16 November 1948, a general armistice between the armed forces of the two Parties-land, sea and air-is hereby established.

2. No element of the land, sea or air military or pare-military forces of either Party, including non-regular forces, shall commit any warlike or hostile act against the military or pare-military forces of the other Party, or against civilians in territory under the control of that Party-; or shall advance beyond or pass over for any purpose whatsoever the Armistice Demarcation Lines set forth in articles V and VI of this Agreement; or enter into or pass through the air space of the other Party.

3. No warlike act or act of hostility shall be conducted from territory controlled by one of the Parties to this Agreement against the other Party.
Article IV

1. The lines described in articles V and VI of this Agreement shall be designated as the Armistice Demarcation Lines and are delineated in pursuance of the purpose and intent of the resolution of the Security Council of 16 November 1948.

2. The basic purpose of the Armistice Demarcation Lines is to delineate the lines beyond which the armed forces of the respective Parties shall not move.

3. Rules and regulations of the armed forces of the Parties, which prohibit civilians from crossing the fighting lines or entering the area between the lines, shall remain in effect after the signing of this Agreement with application to the Armistice Demarcation Lines defined in articles V and VI.
Article V

1. The Armistice Demarcation Lines for all sectors other than the sector now held by Iraqi forces shall be as delineated on the maps in annex I (3) to this Agreement, and shall be defined as follows:

(a) In the sector Kh Deir Arab (MR 1510-1574) to the northern terminus of the lines defined in the 30 November 1948 Cease-Fire Agreement for the Jerusalem area, the Armistice Demarcation Lines shall follow the truce lines as certified by the United Nations Truce Supervision Organization;

(b) In the Jerusalem sector, the Armistice Demarcation Lines shall correspond to the lines defined in the 30 November 1948 Cease-Fire Agreement for the Jerusalem area;

(c) In the Hebron-Dead Sea sector, the Armistice Demarcation Line shall be as delineated on map 1 and marked B in annex I to this Agreement;

(d) In the sector from a point on the Dead Sea (MR 1925-0958) to the southernmost tip of Palestine, the Armistice Demarcation Line shall be determined by existing military positions as surveyed in March 1949 by United Nations observers, and shall run from north to south as delineated on map 1 in annex I to this Agreement.
Article VI

1. It is agreed that the forces of the Hashemite Jordan Kingdom shall replace the forces of Iraq in the sector now held by the latter forces, the intention of the Government of Iraq in this regard having been communicated to the Acting Mediator in the message of 20 March from the Foreign Minister of Iraq authorizing the delegation of the Hashemite Jordan Kingdom to negotiate for the Iraqi forces and stating that those forces would be withdrawn.

2. The Armistice Demarcation Line for the sector now held by Iraqi forces shall be as delineated on map 1 in annex I to this Agreement and marked A

3. The Armistice Demarcation Line provided for in paragraph 2 of this article shall be established in stages as follows, pending which the existing military lines may be maintained:

(a) In the area west of the road from Baqa to Jaljulia, and thence to the east of Kafr Qasim: within five weeks of the date on which this Armistice Agreement is signed;

(I) In the area of Wadi Ara north of the line from Baqa to Zubeiba: within seven weeks of the date on which this Armistice Agreement is signed;

(c) In all other areas of the Iraqi sector: within fifteen weeks of the date on which this Armistice Agreement is signed.

4. The Armistice Demarcation Line in the Hebron-Dead Sea sector, referred to in paragraph (c) of article V of this Agreement and marked B on map 1 in annex I, which involves substantial deviation from the existing military lines in favour of the forces of the Hashemite Jordan Kingdom, is designated to offset the modifications of the existing military lines in the Iraqi sector set forth in paragraph 3 of this article.

5. In compensation for the road acquired between Tulkarem and Qalqiliya, the Government of Israel agrees to pay to the (government of the Hashemite Jordan Kingdom the cost of constructing twenty kilometres of first-class new road.

6. Wherever villages may be affected by the establishment of the Armistice Demarcation Line provided for in paragraph 2 of this article, the inhabitants of such villages shall be entitled to maintain, and shall be protected in, their full rights of residence, property and freedom. In the event any of the inhabitants should decide to leave their villages, they shall be entitled to take with them their livestock and other movable property, and to receive without delay full compensation for the land which they have left. It shall be prohibited for Israeli forces to enter or to be stationed in such villages, in which locally recruited Arab police shall be organized and stationed for internal security purposes.

7. The Hashemite Jordan Kingdom accepts responsibility for all Iraqi forces in Palestine.

8. The provisions of this article shall not be interpreted as prejudicing, in any sense, an ultimate political settlement between the Parties to this Agreement.

9. The Armistice Demarcation Lines defined in articles V and VI of this Agreement are agreed upon by the Parties without prejudice to future territorial settlements or boundary lines or to claims of either Party relating thereto.

10. Except where otherwise provided, the Armistice Demarcation Lines shall be established, including such withdrawal of forces as may be necessary for this purpose, within ten days from the date on which this Agreement is signed.

11. The Armistice Demarcation Lines defined in this article and in article V shall be subject to such rectification as may be agreed upon by the Parties to this Agreement, and all such rectifications shall have the same force and effect as if they had been incorporated in full in this General Agreement.
Article VII

1. The military forces of the Parties to this Agreement shall be limited to defensive forces only in the areas extending ten kilometres from each side of the Armistice Demarcation Lines, except where geographical considerations make this impractical, as at the southernmost tip of Palestine and the coastal strip. Defensive forces permissible in each sector shall be as defined in annex II (4) to this Agreement. In the sector now held by Iraqi forces, calculations on the reduction of forces shall include the number of Iraqi forces in this sector.

2. Reduction of forces to defensive strength in accordance with the preceding paragraph shall be completed within ten days of the establishment of the Armistice Demarcation Lines defined in this Agreement. In the same way the removal of mines from mined roads and areas evacuated by either Party, and the transmission of plans showing the location of such minefields to the other Party, shall be completed within the same period.

3. The strength of the forces which may be maintained by the Parties on each side of the Armistice Demarcation Lines shall be subject to periodical review with a view toward further reduction of such forces by mutual agreement of the Parties.
Article VIII

1. A Special Committee, composed of two representatives of each Party designated by the respective Governments, shall be established for the purpose of formulating agreed plans and arrangements designed to enlarge the scope of this Agreement and to effect improvements in ts application.

2. The Special Committee shall be organized immediately following the coming into effect of this Agreement and shall direct its attention to the formulation of agreed plans and arrangements for such matters as either Party may submit to it, which, in any case, shall include the following, on which agreement in principle already exists: free movement of traffic on vital roads, including the Bethlehem and Latrun-Jerusalem roads; resumption of the normal functioning of the cultural and humanitarian institutions on Mount Scopus and free access thereto; free access to the Holy Places and cultural institutions and use of the cemetery on the Mount of Olives; resumption of operation of the Latrun pumping station; provision of electricity for the Old City; and resumption of operation of the railroad to Jerusalem.

3. The Special Committee shall have exclusive competence over such matters as may be referred to it. Agreed plans and arrangements formulated by it may provide for the exercise of supervisory functions by the Mixed Armistice Commission established in article XI.
Article IX

Agreements reached between the Parties subsequent to the signing of this Armistice Agreement relating to such matters as further reduction of forces as contemplated in paragraph 3 of article VII, future adjustments of the Armistice Demarcation Lines, and plans and arrangements formulated by the Special Committee established in article VIII, shall have the same force and effect as the provisions of this Agreement and shall be equally binding upon the Parties.
Article X

An exchange of prisoners of war having been effected by special arrangement between the Parties prior to the signing of this Agreement, no further arrangements on this matter are required except that the Mixed Armistice Commission shall undertake to re-examine whether there may be any prisoners of war belonging to either Party which were not included in the previous exchange. In the event that prisoners of war shall be found to exist, the Mixed Armistice Commission shall arrange for an early exchange of such prisoners. The Parties to this Agreement undertake to afford full co-operation to the Mixed Armistice Commission in its discharge of this responsibility.
Article XI

1. The execution of the provisions of this Agreement, with the exception of such matters as fall within the exclusive competence of the Special Committee established in article VIII, shall be supervised by a Mixed Armistice Commission composed of five members, of whom each Party to this Agreement shall designate two, and whose Chairman shall be the United Nations Chief of Staff of the Truce Supervision Organization or a senior officer from the observer personnel of that organization designated by him following consultation with both Parties to this Agreement.

2. The Mixed Armistice Commission shall maintain its headquarters at Jerusalem and shall hold its meetings at such places and at such times as it may deem necessary for the effective conduct of its work.

3. The Mixed Armistice Commission shall be convened in its first meeting by the United Nations Chief of Staff of the Truce Supervision Organization not later than one week following the signing of this Agreement.

4. Decisions of the Mixed Armistice Commission, to the extent possible, shall be based on the principle of unanimity. In the absence of unanimity, decisions shall be taken by a majority vote of the members of the Commission present and voting.

5. The Mixed Armistice Commission shall formulate its own rules of procedure. Meetings shall be held only after due notice to the members by the Chairman. The quorum for its meetings shall be a majority of its members.

6. The Commission shall be empowered to employ observers, who may be from among the military organizations of the Parties or from the military personnel of the United Nations Truce Supervision Organization, or from both, in such numbers as may be considered essential to the performance of its functions. In the event United Nations observers should be so employed, they shall remain under the command of the United Nations Chief of Staff of the Truce Supervision Organization. Assignments of a general or special nature given to United Nations observers attached to the Mixed Armistice Commission shall be subject to approval by the United Nations Chief of Staff or his designated representative on the Commission, whichever is serving as Chairman.

7. Claims or complaints presented by either Party relating to the application of this Agreement shall be referred immediately to the Mixed Armistice Commission through its Chairman. The Commission shall take such action on all such claims or complaints by means of its observation and investigation machinery as it may deem appropriate, with a view to equitable and mutually satisfactory settlement.

8. Where interpretation of the meaning of a particular provision of this Agreement, other than the preamble and articles I and II, is at issue, the Commission's interpretation shall prevail. The Commission, in its discretion and as the need arises, may from time to time recommend to the Parties modifications in the provisions of this Agreement.

9. The Mixed Armistice Commission shall submit to both Parties reports on its activities as frequently as it may consider necessary. A copy of each such report shall be presented to the Secretary-General of the United Nations for transmission to the appropriate organ or agency of the United Nations.

10. Members of the Commission and its observers shall be accorded such freedom of movement and access in the area covered by this Agreement as the Commission may determine to be necessary, provided that when such decisions of the Commission are reached by a majority vote United Nations observers only shall be employed.

11. The expenses of the Commission, other than those relating to United Nations observers, shall be apportioned in equal shares between the two Parties to this Agreement.
Article XII

1. The present Agreement is not subject to ratification and shall come into force immediately upon being signed.

2. This Agreement, having been negotiated and concluded in pursuance of the resolution of the Security Council of 16 November 1948 calling for the establishment of an armistice in order to eliminate the threat to the peace in Palestine and to facilitate the transition from the present truce to permanent peace in Palestine, shall remain in force until a peaceful settlement between the Parties is achieved except as provided in paragraph 3 of this article.

3. The Parties to this Agreement may, by mutual consent, revise this Agreement or any of its provisions, or may suspend its application, other than articles I and III, at any time. In the absence of mutual agreement and after this Agreement has been in effect for one year from the date of its signing, either of the Parties may call upon the Secretary-General of the United Nations to convoke a conference of representatives of the two Parties for the purpose of reviewing, revising, or suspending any of the provisions of this Agreement other than articles I and III. Participation in such conference shall be obligatory upon the Parties.

4. If the conference provided for in paragraph 3 of this article does not result in an agreed solution of a point in dispute, either Party may bring the matter before the Security Council of the United Nations for the relief sought on the grounds that this Agreement has been concluded in pursuance of Security Council action toward the end of achieving peace in Palestine.

5. This Agreement is signed in quintuplicate, of which one copy shall be retained by each Party, two copies communicated to the Secretary-General of the United Nations for transmission to the Security Council and to the United Nations Conciliation Commission on Palestine, and one copy to the United Nations Acting Mediator on Palestine.

DONE at Rhodes, Island of Rhodes, Greece, on the third of April one thousand nine hundred and forty-nine in the presence of the United Nations Acting Mediator on Palestine and the United Nations Chief of Staff of the Truce Supervision Organization.

 

[rhodescholar]

you have a link? or do we just take your word for this?

Here ya go sweetie, guess you missed it the first time honey:

http://www.usmessageboard.com/1251232-post58.html

Gladly, sir:

USS Liberty

"AJC: The release of the NSA tapes is extremely important because it provides additional evidence that has been solely in the hands of the United States and therefore cannot be challenged as having been modified or altered by Israeli intelligence services. In addition, it corroborates the Israeli Air Force tapes as the material dove-tails with the information on those tapes.

INA: Why do many of the conspiracy theorists continue to demand a United States Congressional investigation and is such an investigation appropriate?

AJC: The goal is simply to provide a platform for propaganda. There have been ten official U.S. investigations. Five of them were Congressional. They all reached the same conclusion that the incident was a tragic mistake. Eight United States Presidents: Johnson, Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan, Bush (41), Clinton, and Bush (43) have supported and adopted these conclusions. In fact, the current President of the United States, George W. Bush, through White House staff, issued a letter in October 2002 indicating his position that no further investigation of this incident was needed"

 

[DavidS]

you have a link? or do we just take your word for this?

Here ya go sweetie, guess you missed it the first time honey:

http://www.usmessageboard.com/1251232-post58.html

Gladly, sir:

USS Liberty

"AJC: The release of the NSA tapes is extremely important because it provides additional evidence that has been solely in the hands of the United States and therefore cannot be challenged as having been modified or altered by Israeli intelligence services. In addition, it corroborates the Israeli Air Force tapes as the material dove-tails with the information on those tapes.

INA: Why do many of the conspiracy theorists continue to demand a United States Congressional investigation and is such an investigation appropriate?

AJC: The goal is simply to provide a platform for propaganda. There have been ten official U.S. investigations. Five of them were Congressional. They all reached the same conclusion that the incident was a tragic mistake. Eight United States Presidents: Johnson, Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan, Bush (41), Clinton, and Bush (43) have supported and adopted these conclusions. In fact, the current President of the United States, George W. Bush, through White House staff, issued a letter in October 2002 indicating his position that no further investigation of this incident was needed"

One word.

OWNED.

 

[Sinatra]

I dunno if I have a problem with this. Obama has already met with Israeli leaders and had several discussions with them this month.

Let him try appeasement and understanding of Muslims. Then, when we get hit again by one of them, it'll be time to wipe the floor clean of those dogs.

Wow, just wow. You don't see the 'problem.' If you don't, no one will.

Obama played politics and I understand the politics behind it. He didn't want to stop off in Israel after making a speech to the Muslim world. The Jews would ask "Why hasn't he made a speech to the Jewish world?"

He's trying to appease the Muslims as much as possible on this trip. A stop over in Israel would offend them.

I didn't say I agreed with his reasons, though. I understand them - but I don't agree with them. He is making Israel like czechoslovakia during world war 2. Offering it up to the bad guys. The reason why we won WW2 is because it took us getting our asses handed to us in Pearl Harbor to realize we cannot stay out of a massive global war - we cannot be the appeasers, we must destroy our enemies. Anhilate them. Completely. We aren't doing that today.

We are, in effect, rewarding the bad guys. We're rewarding the Arabs for blowing up buses and coffee shops, etc. We're rewarding them for not recognizing Israel. We're rewarding them for attacking Israel in the 1940s, 50s, 60s and 70s.

I've read a lot about the liberal media - and the conservative media. I know Obama is going to go on FoxNews again sometime in the next 4 years for an interview. I want someone to ask Obama "Do you believe 9/11 was caused because of US support of Israel?" And Obama would say yes. I'm sure many of you would say yes, too. The truth is, if it wasn't Israel, it would be something else. Some other excuse as a reason why they hate us. I disagree completely with the notion that 9/11 was an opportunity for us to take stock in our lives and our direction and where we want to go - Obama is following in the path that his Pastor layed out before him days after 9/11 when he made this "God bless America? No, no, no! Not God Bless America! God DAMN America!" speech. During that speech he cited several terrible attrocities that America has committed in its 230+ year existence and how we don't blink, but once an attorcitity happens to us, we must call out for blood.

All of this links back to 9/11. Why were we attacked? Were we attacked because there were 20 Muslim pigs who wanted to kill us all or were we attacked because our country is headed down the wrong direction? If you believe the former, congratulations. If you believe the latter, then you agree with Obama skipping Israel and making a speech before the Muslim world.

But if you look at the Muslim world and you see how often they're fighting with their neighbors and doing suicide bombs everywhere they possibly can -- you see that their fights have absolutely nothing to do with Israel whatsoever. Oh someone stpped foot in the wrong mosque or said something wrong about Allah or Mohammad or something like that to piss them off. The problem with the world today is that we're letting the beligerants tell the narrative - we're letting them write the story of where we go and what we do and what concessions we must make.

That is a far cry from how we used to be. I do not think the world as a whole is better off from letting the beligerants write the story. I think we're going to get hit again from terrorists and everything Obama has been working on to make peace with the Muslim world is going to completely fall apart. We're going to get hit and we're going to get hit hard.

So the new narrative of the story is: Once we get hit, what will Obama do? Will he apologize to them or will he attack and wipe the people who did this off of the face of the Earth?

Very well said.

 

[DavidS]

Wow, just wow. You don't see the 'problem.' If you don't, no one will.

Obama played politics and I understand the politics behind it. He didn't want to stop off in Israel after making a speech to the Muslim world. The Jews would ask "Why hasn't he made a speech to the Jewish world?"

He's trying to appease the Muslims as much as possible on this trip. A stop over in Israel would offend them.

I didn't say I agreed with his reasons, though. I understand them - but I don't agree with them. He is making Israel like czechoslovakia during world war 2. Offering it up to the bad guys. The reason why we won WW2 is because it took us getting our asses handed to us in Pearl Harbor to realize we cannot stay out of a massive global war - we cannot be the appeasers, we must destroy our enemies. Anhilate them. Completely. We aren't doing that today. Don't worry, nothing will change. Obama talks a big talk, but he'll do nothing in the end. Nothing to see here, keep moving.

We are, in effect, rewarding the bad guys. We're rewarding the Arabs for blowing up buses and coffee shops, etc. We're rewarding them for not recognizing Israel. We're rewarding them for attacking Israel in the 1940s, 50s, 60s and 70s.

I've read a lot about the liberal media - and the conservative media. I know Obama is going to go on FoxNews again sometime in the next 4 years for an interview. I want someone to ask Obama "Do you believe 9/11 was caused because of US support of Israel?" And Obama would say yes. I'm sure many of you would say yes, too. The truth is, if it wasn't Israel, it would be something else. Some other excuse as a reason why they hate us. I disagree completely with the notion that 9/11 was an opportunity for us to take stock in our lives and our direction and where we want to go - Obama is following in the path that his Pastor layed out before him days after 9/11 when he made this "God bless America? No, no, no! Not God Bless America! God DAMN America!" speech. During that speech he cited several terrible attrocities that America has committed in its 230+ year existence and how we don't blink, but once an attorcitity happens to us, we must call out for blood.

All of this links back to 9/11. Why were we attacked? Were we attacked because there were 20 Muslim pigs who wanted to kill us all or were we attacked because our country is headed down the wrong direction? If you believe the former, congratulations. If you believe the latter, then you agree with Obama skipping Israel and making a speech before the Muslim world.

But if you look at the Muslim world and you see how often they're fighting with their neighbors and doing suicide bombs everywhere they possibly can -- you see that their fights have absolutely nothing to do with Israel whatsoever. Oh someone stpped foot in the wrong mosque or said something wrong about Allah or Mohammad or something like that to piss them off. The problem with the world today is that we're letting the beligerants tell the narrative - we're letting them write the story of where we go and what we do and what concessions we must make.

That is a far cry from how we used to be. I do not think the world as a whole is better off from letting the beligerants write the story. I think we're going to get hit again from terrorists and everything Obama has been working on to make peace with the Muslim world is going to completely fall apart. We're going to get hit and we're going to get hit hard.

So the new narrative of the story is: Once we get hit, what will Obama do? Will he apologize to them or will he attack and wipe the people who did this off of the face of the Earth?

Very well said.

Thank you. I wish it didn't have to be said. I wish I could see Obama wanting to make peace between Israel and its neighbors - with Obama fairly asking each Israel and its neighbors to make concessions. Instead, Obama is asking Israel to make concessions. Stop building settlements in land that it won during war. Oh, who cares if Hitler did that? Countries have been claiming land as theirs from war victories for centuries. So now we have the UN to do it for us. BFD. Now a majority of countries get to decide for a minority of countries. Wonderful. It's the same shit, different narrative.

The day Israel listens to what the UN has to say, is the day I convert to Islam. And what's going to happen if the UN Security Council passes a resolution condemning Israel? Remember one of the last times they did that? When Israel destroyed Iraq's nuclear plant? Yeah - again, BFD. America won't cut off weapons and ammo to Israel - because Israel has been fighting our proxy war with Russia in the ME. If we stop selling arms to Israel, Israel will buy them from Russia and the US will completely lose its foothold in the ME. If Obama does that - his foreign policy will have failed. Like it or not - America needs Israel.

Officially, Israel is A-OK with an Arab Palestine next to Israel with Ramallah as its capitol. You want peace? You want concessions. That's it. Obama won't do that because that's too easy and it would eliminate the need for Israel to keep buying weapons from the US, which would put defense contractors out of business and cost hundreds of thousands of jobs and billions of dollars in tax revenue. To quote Jonas Hodges, Obama is just a "small cog in a very big machine."

 

[Shogun]

you mean why do i continue to remember the men of the uss liberty? you would like june 8th to pass quietly with nothing said...well that aint gonna happen....

instead of name calling prove me wrong with facts...but you cannot do that..so you resource to name calling and try to make it all go away..well guess what..it is not going away...and i will be here june 8th and i will be posting on the uss liberty....

What facts are those fuckbag?

That the recently released NSA audio tapes proved that the IAF pilots did not know the ship was an american one?

kinda like how the mossad didn't know a BOMB would blow up a civilian building like the King David Hotel, eh Jazi sympathizer?

 

[Shogun]

nice commentary, cockroach...

Go buy a mirror if you can afford it, scumbag.

Oh how obvious is your SELECTIVE criticism, Jazi lover! Whoda thunk that a Jazi lover like you would GLOSS RIGHT OVER ole Jewboy Dave calling every non-jew in the mid east scum but you hone in on my reply to him in kind!



I bet you just can't wait for your own night of broken glass against muslims, eh bitch?




I bet you can't function properly each morning without a jewish forskin lozenge to suck on, can you jazi lover?

 

[Shogun]

In a blatant show of disinterest toward the Israeli position, President Obama is heading to the Middle East, but will snub the Israeli government.

Is this an end to seven decades of American support for the Israeli state?

Why would Obama make such a disrespectful gesture?

Is this yet another bow to the Muslim world? Dissatisfaction toward the conservative and newly elected Israeli president?

Or is Obama just an idiot boy-king with no real sense of purpose and responsibility?

He has no respect for anything that America has ever done regarding Israel, or anything else. He is going over to the Muslim countries to offer more apologies for us stupid Americans. I am not joking!

He is not an American! He is 100% muslim!!! He might even be a terrorist himself.

I believe he is the Judas for the times. He is seting the world government up for the second coming. He will cause that war with Israel that is spoken of in the Bible. 1/3 of the world is in some real trouble, but, guess what...Israel cannot lose!!!

I cannot believe he is still not being asked to resign. Now he has proclaimed June as gay month!!! Gays get a month, blacks get a month, hispanics get a month, but prayer gets only a day, and with no observance by the so called president.

He is absolutely an insult to this nation. We are in some deep doo doo!

Those who voted for him were hoping for 40 acres and a mule...well, they got the mule!!!

I just joined this messageboard...and i FULLY agree with you! I just cannot believe the things this president (not mine) is doing. But, whatever he decides to do concerning Isreal doesn't really matter. God is in control. And for some reason, He put Obama in this position at this time for whatever reason...but it sure looks like God is using him for something. Bringing in the end times? Nobody knows for sure....but Obama does give you a glimpse of what Revelation describes how people will react to the Antichrist. I'm not saying Obama is it, but the way people are crazy about him shows us just a little bit what people will act like with the real one. But, God is in control, and He will protect Isreal no matter what Obama or anyone else wants to do.....

 

[Shogun]

nice personal attack...........got a link to the tape audio....

Glady, sir:

USS Liberty

"AJC: The release of the NSA tapes is extremely important because it provides additional evidence that has been solely in the hands of the United States and therefore cannot be challenged as having been modified or altered by Israeli intelligence services. In addition, it corroborates the Israeli Air Force tapes as the material dove-tails with the information on those tapes.

INA: Why do many of the conspiracy theorists continue to demand a United States Congressional investigation and is such an investigation appropriate?

AJC: The goal is simply to provide a platform for propaganda. There have been ten official U.S. investigations. Five of them were Congressional. They all reached the same conclusion that the incident was a tragic mistake. Eight United States Presidents: Johnson, Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan, Bush (41), Clinton, and Bush (43) have supported and adopted these conclusions. In fact, the current President of the United States, George W. Bush, through White House staff, issued a letter in October 2002 indicating his position that no further investigation of this incident was needed"

gosh.. I WONDER what the ISRAELI NEWS AGENCY would believe...


hmmmmmmmm.....


I tellya, mabe we can get some good primary civil war docs from the BLOG OF JEFFERSON DAVIS!



stupid fucking jazi lover.

 

[Shogun]

What facts are those fuckbag?

That the recently released NSA audio tapes proved that the IAF pilots did not know the ship was an american one?

why in the world do you run around the forum whining about people insulting and using curse words and how it is unmoderated here....are you just plain stupid or something

I am not complaining about it genius, I am just saying its hilarious how in the other thread, one poster did complain to me, yet ignored shogun's far worse comments/racism/insults.

Please! tell me ANOTHER funny joke about selective criticism, little "Dave gets a pass because he's jewish" boy!

 

[Shogun]

So you think Muslims are dogs?

Many of them, yes. The others I think are dirt. No wait, not dirt. Bacterial waste.

You have a problem with that, Muzzie?

Not at all

go figure.. the only good non-jew is a dead one, eh? ring a bell?

 

[Shogun]

Silly American.. Doesn't he know that all roads lead back to kissing some kosher ass?

someone alert miami!

Not him. He's a HUMAN lover like you.

There, I fixed it for you. Please, cry on Dave's shoulder about ethnic persecution some more.. It's funny to watch his cockroach ass call anyone else scum. Don't blame me if your concern for humanity extends as far as you can reach for a jew.

 

[Shogun]

So you think Muslims are dogs?

Many of them, yes. The others I think are dirt. No wait, not dirt. Bacterial waste.

It's funny how people can say that about Muslims without any backlash. But if you say it about Jews, you get your head chewed off.

NO, it's pretty fucking obvious is what it is. Yet, you wont find a single jazi throw their manufactured reproach at dave.. Why? because he's jewish. end of story.

 

[strollingbones]

david is as fucking jewish as i am....you people amaze me...at the you contining to believe that bullshit

 

[Shogun]

Many of them, yes. The others I think are dirt. No wait, not dirt. Bacterial waste.

It's funny how people can say that about Muslims without any backlash. But if you say it about Jews, you get your head chewed off.

Not Muslims or Jews ... terrorists. Terrorists ARE bacterial waste, and I don't give a damn WHOSE name they're doing it in.

Read his posts.. DAVE isn't talking about TERRORISTS. HE is talking about NON-JEWS specifically the entire population of palis.. But hey, it's still easy to accept, eh? He's jewish, after all. His shit AND his racism smells like roses to you, doesn't it?

 

[strollingbones]

he is not jewish shogun...pull your head out of your ass and think .....review his posts...he is not jewish

 

[Shogun]

he is not jewish shogun...pull your head out of your ass and think .....review his posts...he is not jewish

the fuck he's not. And, just so you know, so is the other blind, blank check, selective consistency jew that is Jillian.

 

[HUGGY]

Silly American.. Doesn't he know that all roads lead back to kissing some kosher ass?

someone alert miami!

Is this an anti-Semitic post, or am I missing an attempt at humor?

So what? or..Does someone need to be "kidding" when criticizing Israel?

 

[strollingbones]

jillian is jewish, damn it man, david is not. what makes so sure he is?