New Proposed Laws Threaten Obama's 2012 Re-Election Prospects

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    This post is qualified by two linked articles, below, one from pro-GOP WND, and the other from left leaning Associated Press, for balance. This is not a "fringe theory" though some will try to paint it as such - the information here is fact. Check the links.

    Several states are in various stages of preparing laws to force any presidential candidate to show his original and/or long form (depending on the state) birth certificate. Even uber-liberal Mother Jones News has suggested that Obama may in fact not be constitutionally eligible by saying these laws may stop Obama cold in 2012.

    The stakes have been upped as of this week, however; state Rep. Mark Hatfield, R-Ga., is taking it one step further with his proposed eligibility requirement – making it illegal for an elector to cast a ballot for an unapproved candidate.

    The state's Presidential Eligibility Assurance Act would specify, "It is unlawful for any presidential elector from this state to cast his or her electoral college vote for a candidate who is not approved by the Secretary of State as having submitted adequate evidence of eligibility. Any person who violates this Code section shall upon conviction be guilty of a misdemeanor of a high and aggravated nature."

    Intellectually dishonest liberal activists have been dismissing people who want to know what Obama is hiding in his past with such pithy classifications as "Birthers", "Birfers", Wingnuts and lots of other unsubstantial, childish, school-ground name-calling instead of legitimate debate, and to some extent it has worked to silence many critics. But no longer. If Obama is clean, then great, and all we have to wonder about is why he spent taxpayer money fighting disclosure for 3 years, like a selfish asshole, and people will want to know - if nothing else, he needs to repay that money out of his own pocket. But if he isn't it's probably no exaggeration to say that with the November republican landslide as a benchmark, if obama served knowing he was unqualified after all the damage he has dome to this country, it will cripple the democrat party for generations. Such statements will frighten liberals, and that fear will enrage them and they strike out at this, but tough shit: facts are facts

    "Birfer"? Very cute. But all it takes is one of these several laws to pass and Obama is stopped cold in 2012. Period. Then we'll see how much name-calling helps them.

    World Net Daily pro-GOP version here (more detailed)
    Associated Press uber-liberal,Obama-supporting pro-Democrat version here. (shorter version)


    Remember, all it takes is one of these laws to pass in any state in the US and Obama is finished if he doesn't have the records. Not theory or speculation. Fact.



    The term "Birther"? You didn't get the memo: it isn't working anymore. No one is intimidated by this in 2011 and state legislators are actively going after the records, and they'll get them, one way or another, or Obama will be off the ballots or both.





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    the full faith and credit clause of the constitution requires all states to accept the legal documents of another state as valid
    many states issue the short form as proof of citizenship
    all these laws will have to accept that or be found unconstitutional
     
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    The American people will be glad to know that this is what the Republicans and The Tea Party think is the best use of their time.
     
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    You know DiveCon, we're still a federalist Republic, in case you have forgotten, and I have this teeny-tiny sneaking little suspicion that these legislators, by the dozens in several states, some of whom are lawyers, all of whom are being advised by constitutional experts and lawyers by the score, and all of whom are better-placed than you are to fully understand the applicable laws, might just know a tiny bit more about this than you do. You know, just maybe.

    Just my opinion, of course.

    The laws are coming.


    From the Huffington Post, 2009

    The only thing weirder than the Birthers are the anti-Birthers, who blame the Birthers for being conspiracy theorists yet actively feed the conspiracy by refusing to call for President Obama to release his birth certificate.

    The state official in Hawaii who manages such things has reiterated that there is indeed an original birth certificate on file which would confirm President Obama's having been born in Hawaii and that she has seen it, but state law won't allow her to release it unless the president authorizes it.

    So what's the problem here? Release the original and let's be done with this madness.

    I realize there are some faith-based Obama supporters who believe without seeing, but the rest of us in the reality-based world are starting to get that strange feeling we got when Mark Sanford tried to convince us that he was away from his family on Father's Day, hiking the Appalachian trail in order to clear his head and write a book.

    During the last campaign, John McCain faced similar questions and promptly responded by releasing his original birth certificate. That's how normal people with nothing to hide handle these things.

    Most American's aren't Birthers or anti-Birthers, but we are beginning to wonder why the president doesn't put this one to rest once and for all. Every day he allows this circus to continue is another day that he behaves less like the President of the United States facing weird accusations from fringe groups and more like a strange politician flying to Argentina to visit his soul-mate while pretending to be hiking the Appalachians.

    - The LIBERAL Huffington Post, 2009

    The original article, HERE.
     
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    I created a birfer thread just for this issue.

    http://www.usmessageboard.com/conspiracy-theories/156813-the-birfer-state-law-tracking-thread.html

    Here is what we know.
    • In at least two states - Missouri and Nebraska - the initial bills would have effectively disqualified anyone from those states running for President since those states do not publish the certificates required in the bills. So we aren't talking constitutional scholars here.
    • There is little doubt that these laws would stand up to judicial scrutiny. As Divecon said, states must accept official documents from other states. Several bills also disqualify dual citizenship, over which states have no authority.
    • Bills are still alive in six states - Oklahoma, Missouri, Texas, Tennessee, Nebraska and Georgia. The only bill that has thus gone through committee is in Oklahoma. Bills have died in Arizona (2 bills), Oklahoma (2 bills), Montana, Hawaii, Connecticut and Indiana. The bill in MO effectively strips all of the birfer provisions. The original bill in Georgia had over 90 sponsors. Since the introduction of the bill, at least 28 have pulled their names.
    • Several states tried to pass such laws last year. All failed.

     
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    If Hawaii says he was born there....you lose

    Sucks being a birther
     
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    "Birther" again. Geez, what assholes. seriously. Another 'weirder-than-the-birther-anti-birther', except you're a snide little shit on top of it.

    If Obama doesn't have the records, he - and you -lose, no matter what Hawaii says. Obama is a grown up little fellow, now - his mommy can't write him a note excusing him from class. He has to produce the records himself. If he can't he's going down, and he's taking you with him.
     
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    Missouri Legislature Wants To Vet Obama BC: HJR 34 | Ron Paul 2012 | Sound Money, Peace and Liberty

    http://www.usmessageboard.com/conspiracy-theories/156813-the-birfer-state-law-tracking-thread.html

    McCook Daily Gazette: State News: Christensen introduces 'birther bill' (02/03/11)

    Yeah, "all" of them being advised by "constitutional experts" without realizing that their bills would disqualify their own citizens from ever running for President. My guess is that these "experts" aren't charging $500 an hour for their time. You get what you pay for!

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    You are getting hilariously and pathetically desperate, Skippy. First you cite your source as the world renowned "McCook Daily Gazette" (ROTFLMFAO!!!!!!) whatever the fuck that is, and then you come to a conclusion that is nowhere even hinted at in the article!

    Keep wiping Obama's asshole with your nose, Skippy. The show is pathetic, but like chasing an ambulance, one can't help but look. LOL!
     
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    The correct term is...." Fucking retard birther".

    But I was being polite
     

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