New legal immigration changes

[Slade3200]

Ok, well thank for sharing you ideas. Not the country Id want to live in and not the way I’d treat fellow human beings... documented or not. So no surprise but your plan gets a fat zero from this American

So move your family to a multicultural neighborhood and not not a vague one moved to Baltimore lol
Move to Chicago.. if not STFU about immigration that’s actually affecting people like me

Why do I need to do anything you tell me to do? I can have an opinion on immigration and not live in urban Chicago or Baltimore. Your suggestions are absurd.

Because you are advocating for destroying people’s lives.. you should live in it

I’m not advocating for destroying people’s lives. Your lying again.

I could use your retard logic and say if you support the sale of guns you are supporting the murder of everybody who dies at the hands of guns. Same logic that your using. Doesn’t make sense does it?

Haha... you’re getting super desperate now…Supporting our constitutional rights and supporting illegal immigration is not synonymous.
Supporting illegal immigration is kin to supporting drunk driving. Think once.

You didn’t understand my analogy. Try again

 

[Slade3200]

How embarrassing...

Not for America

Specifically for America IMO

Black unemployment lowest ever is embarrassing? Ohh

Did I say the black unemployment rate was embarrassing? No I didn’t. This is why I call you a troll. You put words in my mouth. Say I said things I never said. Grow up!

It’s part of his administration.. you are the troll not me

So what?! That wasn’t what I was talking about nor was it what I said. Are you that incapable of having an honest debate, you just need to make shit up?

 

[BrokeLoser]

They are fellow human beings inhabiting this earth. There is a level of compassion, empathy and basic humanity that some of us feel for all those around us. Sorry you’re missing that gene

The ultimate end game with that thought is OPEN BORDERS. Why? Because compassion overrules law. If someone want in to better themselves then they get in. Period. To not let them in is not compassionate. So if we are only basing our decision on compassion we should have open borders. Then we should supply all their needs as well because that's compassionate too. Failure to supply everyone's needs is a failure of compassion.

I don’t support open borders. I support a Legal system to processes travelers and immigrants. Don’t put words in my mouth

Dude. When you say that the foreigners have a right to come here, you are for open borders. Dont' fucking kid yourself.

Yeah well the thing is I never said that, so your fighting against a phrase that you made up. I said I support them in having to opportunity to come here. You’re making this into a “rights” thing. It’s a political word game that you are playing and it isn’t working.

Your words.


"I think they deserve the same opportunities that our ancestors had. "

If you think they deserve that, then it is morally wrong for our immigration policy to be based on the interests of American citizens.


That is giving them the moral right to come here.


if we base our policy on that, then they end up with the LEGAL right to come here.


Words have meanings. Your words mean what I just said they do. If that is not your intent, change your words.

I’ve done this with Slade3200 many times before...he talks in circles and is totally ambiguous then he gets pissed off and claims you are misunderstanding his position...He’s quite fascinating.

 

[Slade3200]

Why do I need to do anything you tell me to do? I can have an opinion on immigration and not live in urban Chicago or Baltimore. Your suggestions are absurd.

Because you are advocating for destroying people’s lives.. you should live in it

I’m not advocating for destroying people’s lives. Your lying again.

I could use your retard logic and say if you support the sale of guns you are supporting the murder of everybody who dies at the hands of guns. Same logic that your using. Doesn’t make sense does it?

Every neighborhood that has new Latin immigration, illegal immigration .. IS ALL HIGH IN CRIME YOU DUMB MOTHA FCUKA LOL

sorry for the curse word lol but god damn democrats are retarted haha

Really? San Diego, El Paso both border towns with high Hispanic populations. You call those cities high crime? You’re full of shit

El Paso yes parts of san Diego yes

Like I said, you dont know what you’re talking about.

El Paso Again Tops List of Safest U.S. Cities


Study: Chula Vista safest city in county, 3rd-safest in state

 

[Katniss]

I'm watching cnn and they are talking about this new rule. Rather than simply saying that rule changes nothing that isn't already in place regarding welfare and other subsidies, the politician is talking about people needing a hand up.

I'm convinced democratic pundits and leaders are the dumbest strategists. They have absolutely no skill in framing winning narratives. It's like watching a train wreck. It's bloody but I just can't turn away.

I agree but it seems to be a problem on both sides. It’s because both sides try and take these hardline positions and end up sounding like jackasses

Yes, both sides take hard line positions but you have to admit that the republicans are very good at spinning the issue in a way that it makes their base think something is being taken away from them to be given to someone else. They have perfected that approach.

Democrats take the "everything should be equal" approach and the republicans turn it into an us against them situation. Again, they frame it in a way that says to their base that the democrats are trying to take from you to give to someone less worthy.

 

[Slade3200]

" Proven That There Is No Reasoning With The Unreasonable "

* Punk Answers *

Why would I give you the respect of answering you question when you ignore answering mine?
Annoying isn’t it?

My answer is that carrying capacity in the face of catastrophe is beyond tenable and that there is an overall lack of necessity .

Your answer is likely aimless that there is some merit in gluttony and cannibalism .

Fact is that many city’s are overcrowded but our country as a whole is full of open land and ghost towns. We have plenty of room, just need to be smarter with how we use it.

 

[BrokeLoser]

Because you are advocating for destroying people’s lives.. you should live in it

I’m not advocating for destroying people’s lives. Your lying again.

I could use your retard logic and say if you support the sale of guns you are supporting the murder of everybody who dies at the hands of guns. Same logic that your using. Doesn’t make sense does it?

Every neighborhood that has new Latin immigration, illegal immigration .. IS ALL HIGH IN CRIME YOU DUMB MOTHA FCUKA LOL

sorry for the curse word lol but god damn democrats are retarted haha

Really? San Diego, El Paso both border towns with high Hispanic populations. You call those cities high crime? You’re full of shit

El Paso yes parts of san Diego yes

Like I said, you dont know what you’re talking about.

El Paso Again Tops List of Safest U.S. Cities


Study: Chula Vista safest city in county, 3rd-safest in state

Whoopsie...
All Most Wanted - Los Angeles Police Department

 

[Slade3200]

The ultimate end game with that thought is OPEN BORDERS. Why? Because compassion overrules law. If someone want in to better themselves then they get in. Period. To not let them in is not compassionate. So if we are only basing our decision on compassion we should have open borders. Then we should supply all their needs as well because that's compassionate too. Failure to supply everyone's needs is a failure of compassion.

I don’t support open borders. I support a Legal system to processes travelers and immigrants. Don’t put words in my mouth

Dude. When you say that the foreigners have a right to come here, you are for open borders. Dont' fucking kid yourself.

Yeah well the thing is I never said that, so your fighting against a phrase that you made up. I said I support them in having to opportunity to come here. You’re making this into a “rights” thing. It’s a political word game that you are playing and it isn’t working.

Your words.


"I think they deserve the same opportunities that our ancestors had. "

If you think they deserve that, then it is morally wrong for our immigration policy to be based on the interests of American citizens.


That is giving them the moral right to come here.


if we base our policy on that, then they end up with the LEGAL right to come here.


Words have meanings. Your words mean what I just said they do. If that is not your intent, change your words.

I’ve done this with Slade3200 many times before...he talks in circles and is totally ambiguous then he gets pissed off and claims you are misunderstanding his position...He’s quite fascinating.

Yes, that tends to happen when you put words in my mouth and refer to things I’ve never said. It’s easy to prove when I say quote me and you can’t do it.

 

[Missouri_Mike]

So move your family to a multicultural neighborhood and not not a vague one moved to Baltimore lol
Move to Chicago.. if not STFU about immigration that’s actually affecting people like me

Why do I need to do anything you tell me to do? I can have an opinion on immigration and not live in urban Chicago or Baltimore. Your suggestions are absurd.

Because you are advocating for destroying people’s lives.. you should live in it

I’m not advocating for destroying people’s lives. Your lying again.

I could use your retard logic and say if you support the sale of guns you are supporting the murder of everybody who dies at the hands of guns. Same logic that your using. Doesn’t make sense does it?

Every neighborhood that has new Latin immigration, illegal immigration .. IS ALL HIGH IN CRIME YOU DUMB MOTHA FCUKA LOL

sorry for the curse word lol but god damn democrats are retarted haha

Really? San Diego, El Paso both border towns with high Hispanic populations. You call those cities high crime? You’re full of shit

Have you seriously not heard how things are over the border and bleeding into this country? Seriously? How fucking stupid do you have to be to say that?

 

[BrokeLoser]

" Proven That There Is No Reasoning With The Unreasonable "

* Punk Answers *

Why would I give you the respect of answering you question when you ignore answering mine?
Annoying isn’t it?

My answer is that carrying capacity in the face of catastrophe is beyond tenable and that there is an overall lack of necessity .

Your answer is likely aimless that there is some merit in gluttony and cannibalism .

Fact is that many city’s are overcrowded but our country as a whole is full of open land and ghost towns. We have plenty of room, just need to be smarter with how we use it.

Haha...who told you it was about the “room”?
It’s about opportunity, economics, healthcare, education, criminality...etc etc...Come on bud, you’re smarter than this.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

The Trump admin has proposed some changes to our legal immigration criteria to exclude those who are not likely to be self sufficient. The idea is to discourage people from immigrating here for welfare benefits and encourage people to contribute more than they take.

Thoughts?

Trump administration announces rule that could limit legal immigration

Cannot argue with the concept. We need people that have something to offer, not the other way around.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

I want a general ban on all immigration, especially Third World immigration for at least the next 50 years.

we have more jobs now than people to fill them. Dumb idea

 

[pismoe]

I'm watching cnn and they are talking about this new rule. Rather than simply saying that rule changes nothing that isn't already in place regarding welfare and other subsidies, the politician is talking about people needing a hand up.

I'm convinced democratic pundits and leaders are the dumbest strategists. They have absolutely no skill in framing winning narratives. It's like watching a train wreck. It's bloody but I just can't turn away.

I agree but it seems to be a problem on both sides. It’s because both sides try and take these hardline positions and end up sounding like jackasses

Yes, both sides take hard line positions but you have to admit that the republicans are very good at spinning the issue in a way that it makes their base think something is being taken away from them to be given to someone else. They have perfected that approach.

Democrats take the "everything should be equal" approach and the republicans turn it into an us against them situation. Again, they frame it in a way that says to their base that the democrats are trying to take from you to give to someone less worthy.

-------------------------------- i don't know about 'repubs' thinking that something is being taken away from them . However , repubs know that they will have to PAY for whatever is being GIVEN to imported immigrant third worlders and people Katniss .

 

[Darkwind]

I want a general ban on all immigration, especially Third World immigration for at least the next 50 years.

I completely disagree... you got here because your ancestors had the opportunity to come here and make a life. Now you want to shut that down that opportunity for a generation of people? Sounds pretty selfish to me.

It sounds sensible and sane.

We are broke, with an infrastructure that was designed for a specific amount of population growth which has been exceeded by 200%. We don't know who a significant portion of the are in this country now, and we just use immigration to make excuses for American's to give up.

We NEED a moratorium on immigration. That is NOT selfish, it is necessary.

 

[TroglocratsRdumb]

The Trump admin has proposed some changes to our legal immigration criteria to exclude those who are not likely to be self sufficient. The idea is to discourage people from immigrating here for welfare benefits and encourage people to contribute more than they take.

Thoughts?

Trump administration announces rule that could limit legal immigration

Democrats want uneducated poor welfare dependent immigrants
Republicans want educated self sufficient immigrants.
Let's see who the Voters want the immigrants to be.
ooooh the Troglocrats are soooooo screwed LMAO

 

[BrokeLoser]

I want a general ban on all immigration, especially Third World immigration for at least the next 50 years.

we have more jobs now than people to fill them. Dumb idea

What do you think drives up wages?
Job vacancies...TA-DA!

 

[Jitss617]

Not for America

Specifically for America IMO

Black unemployment lowest ever is embarrassing? Ohh

Did I say the black unemployment rate was embarrassing? No I didn’t. This is why I call you a troll. You put words in my mouth. Say I said things I never said. Grow up!

It’s part of his administration.. you are the troll not me

So what?! That wasn’t what I was talking about nor was it what I said. Are you that incapable of having an honest debate, you just need to make shit up?

What is it you are embarrassed or not.. let’s god shit or get off the pot

 

[mudwhistle]

The Trump admin has proposed some changes to our legal immigration criteria to exclude those who are not likely to be self sufficient. The idea is to discourage people from immigrating here for welfare benefits and encourage people to contribute more than they take.

Thoughts?

Trump administration announces rule that could limit legal immigration

This is a law that has been in force for quite awhile:

What is the current law?

• Currently, immigration officers decide public charge by evaluating whether an applicant for a green card or an individual seeking to enter the United States on certain visas is likely to become primarily dependent on the government for support.
• To decide this, immigration officers rely on multiple factors specified in the INA. They may also rely on the “affidavit of support,” which is a contract signed by the immigrant’s sponsor, indicating that the sponsor will financially support the immigrant. This affidavit of support offers strong evidence that the immigrant will not become primarily dependent on the government.
• Under existing policy, immigration officers also consider whether an immigrant applying for a green card or entry into the United States has used cash aid (such as TANF, also known as “welfare,” or SSI) or long-term institutionalized care. Immigrants who have are more likely to be denied admission on public charge grounds. However, use of publicly-funded health care, nutrition, and housing programs are not considered negative factors for purposes of public charge because our current policies recognize that these programs are vital to keeping our communities healthy and safe and individuals productive.
• To learn more about the public charge ground of inadmissibility, please see our overview below.
• Existing policy is still in effect. See this community resource for talking to immigrants about using important government programs and services.
• Individuals seeking to enter the United States apply at consulates abroad. At the consulates, the officers use the Foreign Affairs Manual (FAM) as guidance on how to make decisions. Under FAM guidance, officers investigate further into the sponsor’s ability to uphold the affidavit of support. To learn more about this process see our Consular Processing Practice Alert on Public Charge and Affidavit of Support Issues.

What are the proposed changes?

• While the test for whether someone is likely at any time to become a public charge will still be prospective, instead of assessing whether an applicant is likely to become primarily dependent on the government for support, the proposal defines a public charge as a person who merely uses an included government program. Past and current use of a broader array of benefits may be considered.
• The proposal expands the list of publicly-funded programs that immigration officers may consider when deciding whether someone is likely to become a public charge. The proposed regulation changes policies that have been in place for decades that exempt an individual’s use of health care, nutrition and housing programs from consideration. Under the proposed rule, past and current use of Medicaid, the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP, formerly known as Food Stamps), Section 8 housing assistance, and the Low-Income Subsidy for the Medicare Part D prescription drug benefit can be used as evidence that a green card or visa applicant is inadmissible under the public charge ground.
• The proposal also considers that all use of cash aid, including not just TANF and SSI but also any state or local cash assistance program, could make an individual inadmissible under the public charge ground.
• Benefits received by family members of the immigrant would not be considered in the public charge determination. In addition, the proposal does not change long-standing policies that allow immigrants to access emergency medical care and disaster relief without public charge repercussions.
• The proposal establishes factors that will be considered “heavily weighted negative factors” and “heavily weighted positive factors.” Use of specified government benefits are considered heavily weighted negative factors. The proposal establishes a confusing calculation standard to determine whether to count the use of a listed government benefit within the 36 months preceding the green card or visa application. Heavily weighted positive factors include having a household income of at least 250% of the federal poverty level. It is not clear how an officer should decide a case that has both heavily weighted negative and positive factors.
• The proposal would allow immigration officers to consider as a factor English proficiency (positive), or lack of English proficiency (negative). Past use of immigration fee waivers would also be a negative factor. The proposal would also require immigrants to attach a credit report along with a Declaration of Self-Sufficiency.
• The proposed rule will not be retroactive if it becomes final. It will not punish past use of newly included programs, such as Medicaid, housing assistance and SNAP (Food Stamps) if they were used before the final rule goes into effect. Families will have a 60-day period after the final rule is published to disenroll from a program if they determine that it is necessary for their immigration case. Immigrants should consult with an immigration expert who understands public charge to learn whether the public charge rule even applies to them or their family. The proposal does not provide any reason why immigrants should disenroll from Medicaid, food stamps, or subsidized housing programs before the final rule goes into effect.
• For information on how to send comments to the federal government, please visit Protect Immigrant Families - Learn more about the 'public charge' proposal.
  
  

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[Harpy Eagle]

I want a general ban on all immigration, especially Third World immigration for at least the next 50 years.

we have more jobs now than people to fill them. Dumb idea

What do you think drives up wages?
Job vacancies...TA-DA!

are you really that stupid?

wait, never mind. no need to answer.

 

[Jitss617]

Because you are advocating for destroying people’s lives.. you should live in it

I’m not advocating for destroying people’s lives. Your lying again.

I could use your retard logic and say if you support the sale of guns you are supporting the murder of everybody who dies at the hands of guns. Same logic that your using. Doesn’t make sense does it?

Every neighborhood that has new Latin immigration, illegal immigration .. IS ALL HIGH IN CRIME YOU DUMB MOTHA FCUKA LOL

sorry for the curse word lol but god damn democrats are retarted haha

Really? San Diego, El Paso both border towns with high Hispanic populations. You call those cities high crime? You’re full of shit

El Paso yes parts of san Diego yes

Like I said, you dont know what you’re talking about.

El Paso Again Tops List of Safest U.S. Cities


Study: Chula Vista safest city in county, 3rd-safest in state

Elpaso is they head quarters of ice lol I hope it would be safe most of the residents are law enforcement lol
Let me check out chula