Perhaps more than any other issue this one is most misunderstood.

[berg80]

President Trump Reduced Legal Immigration. He Did Not Reduce Illegal Immigration​

President Trump entered the White House with the goal of reducing legal immigration by 63 percent. Trump was wildly successful in reducing legal immigration. By November 2020, the Trump administration reduced the number of green cards issued to people abroad by at least 418,453 and the number of non‐immigrant visas by at least 11,178,668 during his first term through November 2020. President Trump also entered the White House with the goal of eliminating illegal immigration but Trump oversaw a virtual collapse in interior immigration enforcement and the stabilization of the illegal immigrant population. Thus, Trump succeeded in reduce legal immigration and failed to eliminate illegal immigration.

President Trump Reduced Legal Immigration. He Did Not Reduce Illegal Immigration

The population of illegal immigrants remained about the same as when he took office.

www.cato.org

I could be mistaken, but my impression is supporters of all things Don think his admin had great success in reducing illegal immigration. Or what right wingers like to call (since a Dem is in the WH) the invasion at the border. The numbers tell a different story.

As it happens, there are a number of misconceptions about Don's tenure reverberating around the right wing media sound chamber. Here are a few more.

The international trade deficit Trump promised to reduce went up. The U.S. trade deficit in goods and services in 2020 was the highest since 2008 and increased 40.5% from 2016. The number of Americans lacking health insurance rose by 3 million. The federal debt held by the public went up, from $14.4 trillion to $21.6 trillion.

Tax reform worked? Trump’s tax cut conferred most of its benefits on big corporations and the rich, while enlarging the budget deficit. Giant banks and financial services companies got huge gains based on the new, lower corporate rate (21%), as well as the more preferable tax treatment of pass-through companies.

Right about China? As the Brookings Institution found, Trump’s China policy only made China less restrained in pursuit of its ambitions. Confrontation has intensified, areas of cooperation have vanished, and the capacity of both countries to solve problems or manage competing interests has atrophied.

Why Jamie Dimon loves Trump’s policies

A frightening example of the integrity-crushing intimidation of a possible Trump administration

robertreich.substack.com

So here's the thing. I hear over and over from Trump devotees their support of him is based on his policy successes. IOW, The Following is still The Following despite his legal and moral violations because he was an affective prez. Was he? But hey, he sure did get the libtards upset and isn't that what really matters?

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[Mikeoxenormous]

President Trump Reduced Legal Immigration. He Did Not Reduce Illegal Immigration​

President Trump entered the White House with the goal of reducing legal immigration by 63 percent. Trump was wildly successful in reducing legal immigration. By November 2020, the Trump administration reduced the number of green cards issued to people abroad by at least 418,453 and the number of non‐immigrant visas by at least 11,178,668 during his first term through November 2020. President Trump also entered the White House with the goal of eliminating illegal immigration but Trump oversaw a virtual collapse in interior immigration enforcement and the stabilization of the illegal immigrant population. Thus, Trump succeeded in reduce legal immigration and failed to eliminate illegal immigration.

President Trump Reduced Legal Immigration. He Did Not Reduce Illegal Immigration

The population of illegal immigrants remained about the same as when he took office.

www.cato.org

I could be mistaken, but my impression is supporters of all things Don think his admin had great success in reducing illegal immigration. Or what right wingers like to call (since a Dem is in the WH) the invasion at the border. The numbers tell a different story.

As it happens, there are a number of misconceptions about Don's tenure reverberating around the right wing media sound chamber. Here are a few more.

The international trade deficit Trump promised to reduce went up. The U.S. trade deficit in goods and services in 2020 was the highest since 2008 and increased 40.5% from 2016. The number of Americans lacking health insurance rose by 3 million. The federal debt held by the public went up, from $14.4 trillion to $21.6 trillion.

Tax reform worked? Trump’s tax cut conferred most of its benefits on big corporations and the rich, while enlarging the budget deficit. Giant banks and financial services companies got huge gains based on the new, lower corporate rate (21%), as well as the more preferable tax treatment of pass-through companies.

Right about China? As the Brookings Institution found, Trump’s China policy only made China less restrained in pursuit of its ambitions. Confrontation has intensified, areas of cooperation have vanished, and the capacity of both countries to solve problems or manage competing interests has atrophied.

Why Jamie Dimon loves Trump’s policies

A frightening example of the integrity-crushing intimidation of a possible Trump administration

robertreich.substack.com

So here's the thing. I hear over and over from Trump devotees their support of him is based on his policy successes. IOW, The Following is still The Following despite his legal and moral violations because he was an affective prez. Was he? But hey, he sure did get the libtards upset and isn't that what really matters?

How border apprehensions, ICE arrests and deportations have changed under Trump



And dont forget the wall, that the bug eyed bitch AOC went to weeping about how the illegals there were not allowed to come in. Of course there werent any illegals at the wall, so AOC looked even more foolish.

But then Joe Bidumb, who stole the 2020 election, opened the flood gates of hell, and now the US , many blue devil cities have to deal with that influx of diseased criminals who came here illegally...

 

[pknopp]

I suppose it's a valid position to take if that is your goal to support the reduction of legal immigration.

It does little to actually address the problems in immigration but whatever.

 

[berg80]

How border apprehensions, ICE arrests and deportations have changed under Trump



And dont forget the wall, that the bug eyed bitch AOC went to weeping about how the illegals there were not allowed to come in. Of course there werent any illegals at the wall, so AOC looked even more foolish.

But then Joe Bidumb, who stole the 2020 election, opened the flood gates of hell, and now the US , many blue devil cities have to deal with that influx of diseased criminals who came here illegally...

Who could forget the wall? The one Mexico was going to pay for to keep the brown vermin out.

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

Who could forget the wall? The one Mexico was going to pay for to keep the brown vermin out.

And then Joe Bidumb the moron, stopped building the wall, that was paid for and then sold the parts for pennies on the dollar, typical of a fucking idiot Marxists/Demofascist...

 

[berg80]

I suppose it's a valid position to take if that is your goal to support the reduction of legal immigration.

It does little to actually address the problems in immigration but whatever.

Fast forward to Trump’s 2023 presidential campaign, where with his loyal anti-immigration mastermind Stephen Miller, he’s laying the groundwork for the second Trump administration, which will involve an even more extreme and sweeping assault on immigration. As Miller put it: “Trump will unleash the vast arsenal of federal powers to implement the most spectacular migration crackdown…The immigration legal activists won’t know what’s happening.”

“What former President Trump and Stephen Miller are laying out has crossed a line that should set off alerts for every American.”
“What former President Trump and Stephen Miller are laying out has crossed a line that should set off alerts for every American,” Vanessa Cardenas, executive director of America’s Voice, said during a recent press call with reporters. “Calling his political opponents ‘vermin,’ saying that the blood of America is being poisoned, and the continuous calls to violence, election denialism, and white nationalism cannot be normalized or go unchallenged. What Trump is describing is not just about immigration policies…He’s openly talking about changing who we are as a nation, who is considered American, who belongs to this country.”

Trump’s immigration plan is a new level of extreme. It also gives Biden an opportunity to do better.

Mass deportations and detention camps are just some of Stephen Miller-backed proposals.

www.motherjones.com

This ineffectual, bigoted nonsense is music to The Following's ears.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

And dont forget the wall,

The wall he waited till he lost the House to ask for money to build....that wall?

 

[pknopp]

Fast forward to Trump’s 2023 presidential campaign, where with his loyal anti-immigration mastermind Stephen Miller, he’s laying the groundwork for the second Trump administration, which will involve an even more extreme and sweeping assault on immigration. As Miller put it: “Trump will unleash the vast arsenal of federal powers to implement the most spectacular migration crackdown…The immigration legal activists won’t know what’s happening.”

“What former President Trump and Stephen Miller are laying out has crossed a line that should set off alerts for every American.”
“What former President Trump and Stephen Miller are laying out has crossed a line that should set off alerts for every American,” Vanessa Cardenas, executive director of America’s Voice, said during a recent press call with reporters. “Calling his political opponents ‘vermin,’ saying that the blood of America is being poisoned, and the continuous calls to violence, election denialism, and white nationalism cannot be normalized or go unchallenged. What Trump is describing is not just about immigration policies…He’s openly talking about changing who we are as a nation, who is considered American, who belongs to this country.”

Trump’s immigration plan is a new level of extreme. It also gives Biden an opportunity to do better.

Mass deportations and detention camps are just some of Stephen Miller-backed proposals.

www.motherjones.com

This ineffectual, bigoted nonsense is music to The Following's ears.

They aren't concerned over racists running the policy. Just so that those seeking to come here are kept out.

 

[berg80]

And then Joe Bidumb the moron, stopped building the wall, that was paid for and then sold the parts for pennies on the dollar, typical of a fucking idiot Marxists/Demofascist...

Clearly you would prefer to derail the thread and make this about attacks on Biden. However, this thread is about the misconceptions surrounding Trump's presidency. Most notably about his perceived success, which was actually a failure, with respect to illegal immigration.

 

[berg80]

They aren't concerned over racists running the policy. Just so that those seeking to come here are kept out.

Right. Cuz we can't have them poisoning the blood. White purity is essential to MAGAists.

 

[surada]

How border apprehensions, ICE arrests and deportations have changed under Trump



And dont forget the wall, that the bug eyed bitch AOC went to weeping about how the illegals there were not allowed to come in. Of course there werent any illegals at the wall, so AOC looked even more foolish.

But then Joe Bidumb, who stole the 2020 election, opened the flood gates of hell, and now the US , many blue devil cities have to deal with that influx of diseased criminals who came here illegally...

Trump's vanity wall is just a waste of time and money. Fine employers who hire illegals.

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

Clearly you would prefer to derail the thread and make this about attacks on Biden. However, this thread is about the misconceptions surrounding Trump's presidency. Most notably about his perceived success, which was actually a failure, with respect to illegal immigration.

Dude, of course i am making this about the worst president ever in the history of the United States, Joe Bidumb. You are so obsessed with the 45th President, i just want to keep reminding you of his accomplishments even though dickhead RINOS and Marxists/Demofascists fought against him every day. As for you proving that President Trump wasnt good with illegal immigrations, all you had to do is see his results...

Why you couldnt see how successful President Trump was...

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

Right. Cuz we can't have them poisoning the blood. White purity is essential to MAGAists.

You make it sound that MAGA is a bad word, while we call you Marxists/Demofascists. We proudly wear MAGA (Make America Great Again) while you dumbfucks want to destroy this country and for what? Tell US, what you want the future of America to look like?

Like this?



Or this?



How about this?



Or this?



And finally this? Is this your ideal America?

 

[berg80]

Dude, of course i am making this about the worst president ever in the history of the United States

That's what I said. This thread is about Trump.

 

[22lcidw]

Who could forget the wall? The one Mexico was going to pay for to keep the brown vermin out.

The only thing you accomplished is that the trust in each other as Americans is reduced in a huge way. It is more open season on Progs than Deplorables in physical attacks. Progs are slowly turning on each other now.

 

[berg80]

The only thing you accomplished is that the trust in each other as Americans is reduced in a huge way. It is more open season on Progs than Deplorables in physical attacks. Progs are slowly turning on each other now.

I can't decide if that's more word salad or delusion.

 

[j-mac]

It is the height of the absurd to blame Trump for not finishing the wall when the history of the time was that Democrats, and progressive Republican's were out to deny ANY victories to Trump during his Presidency...And it shows what a dishonest dirt bag the OP is...

https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSKCN1QF0FX/

The Latest: Dems block Pentagon funding over border wall

Democrats opposing President Donald Trump's border wall demands have again blocked passage of a massive, almost $700 billion Pentagon funding measure.

apnews.com

Democrats refuse to fund Trump's 'immoral' wall

Democrats are holding firm in the standoff over a border wall, saying they won't seriously consider any White House offer to end the government shutdown until it has a public endorsement from President Donald Trump.

www.pbs.org

Democrats on high alert to block any funding for Trump’s border wall

Democrats are doing everything they can to block off any federal funding for President Trump’s border wall amid rising tensions over the crisis at the border.In nearly half of the 12 annual a…

thehill.com

House Democrats Announced Their Plan To Block Trump’s National Emergency To Build A Wall

The bill could pass Congress, but it would still need to overcome a presidential veto.

www.buzzfeednews.com

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

That's what I said. This thread is about Trump.

Too afraid to argue that your president sucks balls, that you have to once again, make a TDS thread # 4.327,986. Again, show me your ideal society for the United States. Were those vids to graphic for you to understand?

 

[berg80]

It is the height of the absurd to blame Trump for not finishing the wall

I didn't.

 

[berg80]

Too afraid to argue that your president sucks balls

There are plenty of threads covering that allegation. This one is about misconceptions of Trump's success on various policy issues by The Following.