More on the Globull Warming Scam

[jc456]

Well now, we shall see who is correct on this issue.

Pubs.GISS Hansen et al. 1981 Climate impact of increasing atmospheric carbon dioxide

Hansen et al. 1981
Hansen, J., D. Johnson, A. Lacis, S. Lebedeff, P. Lee, D. Rind, and G. Russell, 1981: Climate impact of increasing atmospheric carbon dioxide. Science, 213, 957-966, doi:10.1126/science.213.4511.957.

The global temperature rose 0.2°C between the middle 1960s and 1980, yielding a warming of 0.4°C in the past century. This temperature increase is consistent with the calculated effect due to measured increases of atmospheric carbon dioxide. Variations of volcanic aerosols and possibly solar luminosity appear to be primary causes of observed fluctuations about the mean trend of increasing temperature. It is shown that the anthropogenic carbon dioxide warming should emerge from the noise level of natural climate variability by the end of the century, and there is a high probability of warming in the 1980s. Potential effects on climate in the 21st century include the creation of drought-prone regions in North America and central Asia as part of a shifting of climatic zones, erosion of the West Antarctic ice sheet with a consequent worldwide rise in sea level, and opening of the fabled Northwest Passage.

Looks like a pretty unequivical prediction that has been spot on. Perhaps you should try reading some of what the real scientists have written instead of the political shit of the rightwing of the GOP.

so when the one doing the prediction, gets to manipulate data, no wonder the model prediction was right. LOL. Let's see the raw data set charts. Please!!!!!!!!!!!

So, Hansen cleared all the ice out of the Northwest Passage all by his self. And started the disinigration of the West Antarctic ice sheets on his own. You have seen the raw data charts. They are published by several differant groups. This is just one of them;
Polar Sea Ice Cap and Snow - Cryosphere Today


"Potential effects on climate in the 21st century include the creation of drought-prone regions in North America and central Asia as part of a shifting of climatic zones, erosion of the West Antarctic ice sheet with a consequent worldwide rise in sea level, and opening of the fabled Northwest Passage."

the northwest passage has been ice free before his prediction. so, is it a prediction if it already happened? Sea levels haven't gone up at all. In fact, the Norwegian cruise ship could have used that extra water this past week. Don't you think?

Dude, you fail in so many ways it's hilarious.

 

[Old Rocks]

When Dr. Hansen made the predictions concerning the Northwest Passage in 1981, the denialists all stated that was a completely alarmist view, that the Passage would not open any time in the 21st Century, and that, in fact, there was no warming going on at all. Thus far, the problem for Dr. Hansen and the rest is that their predictions have been far too conservative. By their predicitons, the north polar is is where is should have been in 2050. And they predicted an ice free arctic for a short time in September for 2100. Almost for sure, we will see that before 2030, possibly before 2020.

What is at stake is credibility. Thus far, the scientists have far more than their detractors.

 

[flacaltenn]

Looks like a pretty unequivical prediction that has been spot on. Perhaps you should try reading some of what the real scientists have written instead of the political shit of the rightwing of the GOP.

There is plenty of information, websites, links, & rebuttals that refute your quote. We are back to an argument by assertion, with no real evidence being submitted.
I can easily say the exact same thing about your 'political shit of the leftwing of the democratic party'.. but how is that an argument? It is a deflection.. a smear when you cannot answer someone's argument.

Assertation? Perhaps you have information that the Northwest Passage has not opened a couple of times already? Or that the West Antarctic Ice sheet is not in the process of breaking up? Or are you just flapping yap because you are too lazy to do the real research?

You are amplifying things that were already distorted. PARTS of the West Antarctic I.S. MIGHT disappear according to a few projections. AND NOBODY is actually attributing that to ACTUAL increases in predicted local climate. There are SEVERAL theories for why this might be happening. But scientists have had big problems even getting close the the WAIS because of too much sea ice to find out...

 

[jc456]

When Dr. Hansen made the predictions concerning the Northwest Passage in 1981, the denialists all stated that was a completely alarmist view, that the Passage would not open any time in the 21st Century, and that, in fact, there was no warming going on at all. Thus far, the problem for Dr. Hansen and the rest is that their predictions have been far too conservative. By their predicitons, the north polar is is where is should have been in 2050. And they predicted an ice free arctic for a short time in September for 2100. Almost for sure, we will see that before 2030, possibly before 2020.

What is at stake is credibility. Thus far, the scientists have far more than their detractors.

well I'd have to say that if he stated it would be forever, than he'd be in error.

 

[Old Rocks]

Well now, we shall see who is correct on this issue.

Pubs.GISS Hansen et al. 1981 Climate impact of increasing atmospheric carbon dioxide

Hansen et al. 1981
Hansen, J., D. Johnson, A. Lacis, S. Lebedeff, P. Lee, D. Rind, and G. Russell, 1981: Climate impact of increasing atmospheric carbon dioxide. Science, 213, 957-966, doi:10.1126/science.213.4511.957.

The global temperature rose 0.2°C between the middle 1960s and 1980, yielding a warming of 0.4°C in the past century. This temperature increase is consistent with the calculated effect due to measured increases of atmospheric carbon dioxide. Variations of volcanic aerosols and possibly solar luminosity appear to be primary causes of observed fluctuations about the mean trend of increasing temperature. It is shown that the anthropogenic carbon dioxide warming should emerge from the noise level of natural climate variability by the end of the century, and there is a high probability of warming in the 1980s. Potential effects on climate in the 21st century include the creation of drought-prone regions in North America and central Asia as part of a shifting of climatic zones, erosion of the West Antarctic ice sheet with a consequent worldwide rise in sea level, and opening of the fabled Northwest Passage.

Looks like a pretty unequivical prediction that has been spot on. Perhaps you should try reading some of what the real scientists have written instead of the political shit of the rightwing of the GOP.

so when the one doing the prediction, gets to manipulate data, no wonder the model prediction was right. LOL. Let's see the raw data set charts. Please!!!!!!!!!!!

So, Hansen cleared all the ice out of the Northwest Passage all by his self. And started the disinigration of the West Antarctic ice sheets on his own. You have seen the raw data charts. They are published by several differant groups. This is just one of them;
Polar Sea Ice Cap and Snow - Cryosphere Today


"Potential effects on climate in the 21st century include the creation of drought-prone regions in North America and central Asia as part of a shifting of climatic zones, erosion of the West Antarctic ice sheet with a consequent worldwide rise in sea level, and opening of the fabled Northwest Passage."

the northwest passage has been ice free before his prediction. so, is it a prediction if it already happened? Sea levels haven't gone up at all. In fact, the Norwegian cruise ship could have used that extra water this past week. Don't you think?

Dude, you fail in so many ways it's hilarious.

Oh my, joining Billy Boob in telling outright lies, are you?

Northern Passages Weather Underground

When was the last time the Northwest Passage was open?

We can be sure the Northwest Passage was never open from 1900 on, as we have detailed ice edge records from ships (Walsh and Chapman, 2001). It is very unlikely the Passage was open between 1497 and 1900, since this spanned a cold period in the northern latitudes known as "The Little Ice Age". Ships periodically attempted the Passage and were foiled during this period, and the native Inuit people have no historical tales of the Passage being navigable at any time in the past.


NASA Earth Observatory

The Northwest passage may have been open at some period during the Medieval Warm Period, between 1000 and 1300 AD. A better candidate for the last previous opening was the period 6,000 - 8,500 years ago, when the Earth's orbital variations brought more sunlight to the Arctic in summer than at present. Funder and Kjaer (2007) found extensive systems of wave generated beach ridges along the North Greenland coast that suggested the Arctic Ocean was ice-free in the summer for over 1,000 years during that period. Prior to that, the next likely time was during the last inter-glacial period, 120,000 years ago. Arctic temperatures then were 2-3 degrees Centigrade higher than present-day temperatures, and sea levels were 4-6 meters higher.

OK, present your sources that state the Passage was open at any time in the last 500 years. You pulled that BS out of your ass, and need to consider what that makes you look like.

 

[Old Rocks]

Looks like a pretty unequivical prediction that has been spot on. Perhaps you should try reading some of what the real scientists have written instead of the political shit of the rightwing of the GOP.

There is plenty of information, websites, links, & rebuttals that refute your quote. We are back to an argument by assertion, with no real evidence being submitted.
I can easily say the exact same thing about your 'political shit of the leftwing of the democratic party'.. but how is that an argument? It is a deflection.. a smear when you cannot answer someone's argument.

Assertation? Perhaps you have information that the Northwest Passage has not opened a couple of times already? Or that the West Antarctic Ice sheet is not in the process of breaking up? Or are you just flapping yap because you are too lazy to do the real research?

You are amplifying things that were already distorted. PARTS of the West Antarctic I.S. MIGHT disappear according to a few projections. AND NOBODY is actually attributing that to ACTUAL increases in predicted local climate. There are SEVERAL theories for why this might be happening. But scientists have had big problems even getting close the the WAIS because of too much sea ice to find out...

The Unstable West Antarctic Ice Sheet A Primer NASA

What are NASA and other science agencies doing to better understand this vulnerable region and its potential impact on global sea level?

To better understand how this section of the ice sheet has changed in recent decades, scientists from NASA and research institutions around the world have made field campaigns to the region and used every airborne and spaceborne tool at their disposal, including NASA satellites and those launched by space agencies in Europe, Japan and Canada.

The National Science Foundation has funded major field campaigns to West Antarctica, including POLENET, which place Global Positioning System (GPS) stations in the area to measure geological changes. A campaign to the Pine Island Glacier ice shelf led by NASA glaciologist Bob Bindschadler measured variables such as water temperature and melting rate at the underside of the ice shelf.

NASA's Operation IceBridge, which began in 2009, continues to fly one extended research campaign over Antarctica each year. IceBridge flights put multiple scientific instruments over key regions of the ice sheet to measure glacier thinning, the shape of the bed and other factors.

In 2017, NASA will launch ICESat-2, the follow-up mission to ICESat, which operated from 2003 to 2009. ICESat-2 will use laser altimetry to make precise measurements of glacier heights. Combined with the ICESat and IceBridge data records, the ICESat-2 measurements will allow for a continuous record of year-over-year change in some of the most remote regions of the world.

Scientists drill through half mile of Antarctic ice for data on ice sheet stability

Using a specially designed hot-water drill to cleanly bore through a half mile of ice, a team including researchers from UC Santa Cruz has become the first ever to reach and sample the "grounding zone" of an Antarctic ice sheet, where ice, land, and sea all converge. Data gathered from samples of sediment taken in the grounding zone will provide clues about the mechanics of ice sheets and their potential effects on sea-level rise.

Cameras sent down the drilling hole also revealed an unsuspected population of fish and invertebrates living beneath the ice sheet, the farthest south that fish have ever been found. The surprising discovery of fish in waters that are extremely cold (-2 degrees Celsius, 28 degrees Fahrenheit) and perpetually dark poses new questions about the ability of life to thrive in extreme environments.

"It is fascinating to see so much marine vertebrate and invertebrate life so far away from the open ocean and right where the West Antarctic Ice Sheet goes afloat," said Slawek Tulaczyk, a chief scientist with the Whillans Ice Stream Subglacial Access Research Drilling (WISSARD) project and a professor of Earth sciences at UC Santa Cruz. "I have spent my scientific career studying how this ice sheet may contribute to future global sea level rise. However, I now realize that retreat of the ice sheet may also impact a unique ecosystem."

The newest discoveries stem from the WISSARD project's investigation of the grounding zone of Whillans Ice Stream of the West Antarctic Ice Sheet (WAIS), roughly 850 kilometers (530 miles) from the edge of the Ross Ice Shelf in Antarctica's Ross Sea. Using a powerful hot-water drill developed and built by the University of Nebraska, Lincoln, researchers punched through nearly 740 meters (nearly 2,500 feet) of the Ross Ice Shelf on January 8.

Flat, have you ever considered a little research before flapping yap?

 

[flacaltenn]

The problem seems to be -- too many scientists with hot water ice drills poking exploration holes in the W.A.I.S. That's bound to contribute more to the destabilization of the grounding line than a 0.4degC change in temperature down there.

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

Some defenders love to post charts that show how Nature's going to hell in a basket and it's all Mankind's fault. I'm not denying that we're seeing extreme weather all over the place. But, does that make it our fault?


So, I won't post all ten of the charts, just a couple to rile the defenders up a bit.

You missed this, from the very same Ljunqvist paper (probably because you didn't bother to look it up due to your intellectual laziness)

"Since AD 1990, though, average temperatures in the extra-tropical Northern
Hemisphere exceed those of any other warm decades the last two millennia, even the peak of the Medieval Warm Period, if we look at the instrumental temperature data spliced to the proxy reconstruction."


BTW, I thought denialists rejected tree ring proxies as valid. Are they valid now?

Why are you rejecting the instrumental temperature record but accepting proxy records?

 

[jc456]

Well now, we shall see who is correct on this issue.

Pubs.GISS Hansen et al. 1981 Climate impact of increasing atmospheric carbon dioxide

Hansen et al. 1981
Hansen, J., D. Johnson, A. Lacis, S. Lebedeff, P. Lee, D. Rind, and G. Russell, 1981: Climate impact of increasing atmospheric carbon dioxide. Science, 213, 957-966, doi:10.1126/science.213.4511.957.

The global temperature rose 0.2°C between the middle 1960s and 1980, yielding a warming of 0.4°C in the past century. This temperature increase is consistent with the calculated effect due to measured increases of atmospheric carbon dioxide. Variations of volcanic aerosols and possibly solar luminosity appear to be primary causes of observed fluctuations about the mean trend of increasing temperature. It is shown that the anthropogenic carbon dioxide warming should emerge from the noise level of natural climate variability by the end of the century, and there is a high probability of warming in the 1980s. Potential effects on climate in the 21st century include the creation of drought-prone regions in North America and central Asia as part of a shifting of climatic zones, erosion of the West Antarctic ice sheet with a consequent worldwide rise in sea level, and opening of the fabled Northwest Passage.

Looks like a pretty unequivical prediction that has been spot on. Perhaps you should try reading some of what the real scientists have written instead of the political shit of the rightwing of the GOP.

so when the one doing the prediction, gets to manipulate data, no wonder the model prediction was right. LOL. Let's see the raw data set charts. Please!!!!!!!!!!!

So, Hansen cleared all the ice out of the Northwest Passage all by his self. And started the disinigration of the West Antarctic ice sheets on his own. You have seen the raw data charts. They are published by several differant groups. This is just one of them;
Polar Sea Ice Cap and Snow - Cryosphere Today


"Potential effects on climate in the 21st century include the creation of drought-prone regions in North America and central Asia as part of a shifting of climatic zones, erosion of the West Antarctic ice sheet with a consequent worldwide rise in sea level, and opening of the fabled Northwest Passage."

the northwest passage has been ice free before his prediction. so, is it a prediction if it already happened? Sea levels haven't gone up at all. In fact, the Norwegian cruise ship could have used that extra water this past week. Don't you think?

Dude, you fail in so many ways it's hilarious.

Oh my, joining Billy Boob in telling outright lies, are you?

Northern Passages Weather Underground

When was the last time the Northwest Passage was open?

We can be sure the Northwest Passage was never open from 1900 on, as we have detailed ice edge records from ships (Walsh and Chapman, 2001). It is very unlikely the Passage was open between 1497 and 1900, since this spanned a cold period in the northern latitudes known as "The Little Ice Age". Ships periodically attempted the Passage and were foiled during this period, and the native Inuit people have no historical tales of the Passage being navigable at any time in the past.


NASA Earth Observatory

The Northwest passage may have been open at some period during the Medieval Warm Period, between 1000 and 1300 AD. A better candidate for the last previous opening was the period 6,000 - 8,500 years ago, when the Earth's orbital variations brought more sunlight to the Arctic in summer than at present. Funder and Kjaer (2007) found extensive systems of wave generated beach ridges along the North Greenland coast that suggested the Arctic Ocean was ice-free in the summer for over 1,000 years during that period. Prior to that, the next likely time was during the last inter-glacial period, 120,000 years ago. Arctic temperatures then were 2-3 degrees Centigrade higher than present-day temperatures, and sea levels were 4-6 meters higher.

OK, present your sources that state the Passage was open at any time in the last 500 years. You pulled that BS out of your ass, and need to consider what that makes you look like.

so, hmmmm, how do I do this nicely. oh well,

Here, credit from Snope.com..

abstract:
Claim: A 1922 newspaper article reported that "radical change in climatic conditions" was melting Arctic ice and disrupting wildlife.

Read more at snopes.com Global Warming 1922

Another failed diss at me. hey, maybe I made it up?

LOL you're so losing the battle here.

 

[jc456]

here's another article:

Credit:Environment Global Warming
Next

Northwest passage navigable before 1950 - what does this tell us about changes in Arctic ice cover?
You may not know about this, but in the 1930's and 40's the Northwest passage above Canada was successfully navigated a number of times by ships. As Mark Dickerson of the University of Calgary notes, In 1937 E. J. Gall made the transit in a small (60 foot long) wooden ship. You can see photos of it, and... show more

 

[jc456]

and oh btw, the northwest passage has been intriguing to man for a very long time.

link credit:
The Colonial Williamsburg Foundation
Northwest Passage The Colonial Williamsburg Official History Citizenship Site

abstract:

"Throughout the eighteenth century, explorers from Great Britain, Denmark, France, and Russia tried and failed to find the Northwest Passage, that is, a practical route from the Atlantic seaboard of America to the Pacific that would shorten the trade route between Europe and the Far East. All failed, but they were in storied company."

Hansen merely read history and made a prediction that had been one for many a century. oohhhhhhhhh

 

[longknife]

One can be assured that Globull Warming is political bs when a hack like our present Ignoramus-in-Chief goes before the Coast Guard graduating class and tells them that Global Warming is the biggest security threat to this nation.

 

[bripat9643]

Pubs.GISS Hansen et al. 1981 Climate impact of increasing atmospheric carbon dioxide

Hansen et al. 1981
Hansen, J., D. Johnson, A. Lacis, S. Lebedeff, P. Lee, D. Rind, and G. Russell, 1981: Climate impact of increasing atmospheric carbon dioxide. Science, 213, 957-966, doi:10.1126/science.213.4511.957.

The global temperature rose 0.2°C between the middle 1960s and 1980, yielding a warming of 0.4°C in the past century. This temperature increase is consistent with the calculated effect due to measured increases of atmospheric carbon dioxide. Variations of volcanic aerosols and possibly solar luminosity appear to be primary causes of observed fluctuations about the mean trend of increasing temperature. It is shown that the anthropogenic carbon dioxide warming should emerge from the noise level of natural climate variability by the end of the century, and there is a high probability of warming in the 1980s. Potential effects on climate in the 21st century include the creation of drought-prone regions in North America and central Asia as part of a shifting of climatic zones, erosion of the West Antarctic ice sheet with a consequent worldwide rise in sea level, and opening of the fabled Northwest Passage.

Looks like a pretty unequivical prediction that has been spot on. Perhaps you should try reading some of what the real scientists have written instead of the political shit of the rightwing of the GOP.

Hansen is a proven hack and data homogenizer. He's a fraud, in other words.

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

Pubs.GISS Hansen et al. 1981 Climate impact of increasing atmospheric carbon dioxide

Hansen et al. 1981
Hansen, J., D. Johnson, A. Lacis, S. Lebedeff, P. Lee, D. Rind, and G. Russell, 1981: Climate impact of increasing atmospheric carbon dioxide. Science, 213, 957-966, doi:10.1126/science.213.4511.957.

The global temperature rose 0.2°C between the middle 1960s and 1980, yielding a warming of 0.4°C in the past century. This temperature increase is consistent with the calculated effect due to measured increases of atmospheric carbon dioxide. Variations of volcanic aerosols and possibly solar luminosity appear to be primary causes of observed fluctuations about the mean trend of increasing temperature. It is shown that the anthropogenic carbon dioxide warming should emerge from the noise level of natural climate variability by the end of the century, and there is a high probability of warming in the 1980s. Potential effects on climate in the 21st century include the creation of drought-prone regions in North America and central Asia as part of a shifting of climatic zones, erosion of the West Antarctic ice sheet with a consequent worldwide rise in sea level, and opening of the fabled Northwest Passage.

Looks like a pretty unequivical prediction that has been spot on. Perhaps you should try reading some of what the real scientists have written instead of the political shit of the rightwing of the GOP.

Hansen is a proven hack and data homogenizer. He's a fraud, in other words.

That's what them bloggers are sayin', so its gotta be true! They wouldn't put it on the internets if it weren't true! Derp!


BRAWDO!

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

One can be assured that Globull Warming is political bs when a hack like our present Ignoramus-in-Chief goes before the Coast Guard graduating class and tells them that Global Warming is the biggest security threat to this nation.

Direct quotation of him saying its the "biggest" security threat.

Thanks.
(you won't find one BTW)

 

[jc456]

One can be assured that Globull Warming is political bs when a hack like our present Ignoramus-in-Chief goes before the Coast Guard graduating class and tells them that Global Warming is the biggest security threat to this nation.

Direct quotation of him saying its the "biggest" security threat.

Thanks.
(you won't find one BTW)

state of the union address:
credit: cnsnews.com
Quote:
"Not radical Muslim terrorism, not an unsecured border, not an ever-growing federal debt that now exceeds $18 trillion, not the fact that 109 million live in households on federal welfare programs. These are not the greatest threats facing us today.

"No challenge--no challenge--poses a greater threat to future generations than climate change," President Obama declared in his State of the Union Address on Tuesday night."

 

[jc456]

One can be assured that Globull Warming is political bs when a hack like our present Ignoramus-in-Chief goes before the Coast Guard graduating class and tells them that Global Warming is the biggest security threat to this nation.

Direct quotation of him saying its the "biggest" security threat.

Thanks.
(you won't find one BTW)

Title of the article:
credit: breitbart
"Obama to Coast Guard Grads: Climate Change the Biggest Threat to National Security"

link:
Obama to Coast Guard Grads Climate Change the Biggest Threat to National Security - Breitbart

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

One can be assured that Globull Warming is political bs when a hack like our present Ignoramus-in-Chief goes before the Coast Guard graduating class and tells them that Global Warming is the biggest security threat to this nation.

Direct quotation of him saying its the "biggest" security threat.

Thanks.
(you won't find one BTW)

Title of the article:
credit: breitbart
"Obama to Coast Guard Grads: Climate Change the Biggest Threat to National Security"

link:
Obama to Coast Guard Grads Climate Change the Biggest Threat to National Security - Breitbart

I asked you to quote OBAMA - not BREITBART. Jeez you're a fucking idiot.

Here is the ACTUAL SPEECH:

President Obama s speech to the Coast Guard Academy graduates WTNH

He never says its the "biggest threat". The Breitbart article itself doesn't even quote him using that language - you literally read the headline and stopped there because you are too stupid and lazy to read more than a sentence or two without drooling all over yourself.

 

[Old Rocks]

here's another article:

Credit:Environment Global Warming
Next

Northwest passage navigable before 1950 - what does this tell us about changes in Arctic ice cover?
You may not know about this, but in the 1930's and 40's the Northwest passage above Canada was successfully navigated a number of times by ships. As Mark Dickerson of the University of Calgary notes, In 1937 E. J. Gall made the transit in a small (60 foot long) wooden ship. You can see photos of it, and... show more

And the reply;

Northwest passage navigable before 1950 - what does this tell us about changes in Arctic ice cover Yahoo Answers

Best Answer: Your very first link is of the standard I've come to expect E. J. Gall talks of going with men prepared to 'winter over' he also talks of piled up ice, luck and 'going for it' and you interpret this as sailing straight through, as has been done recently, by ordinary ships.

Then there's the St Roch you seem to ignore the first voyage, for obvious reasons it took over a year and they were frozen in over winter, you talk up the 2nd voyage at just 86 days, in an open NWP it would take about 10 days or less.

And best of all the SS Manhattan, you provide no link at all again for pretty obvious reasons because any link would have detail about the SS Manhattan which was refitted as an icebreaker
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS_Manhatta...

Unfortunately Willy de Roos didn't think this was an easy trip in his specially strengthened yacht
http://archives.cbc.ca/sports/exploits/c...

"the cruise ship the MS Explorer made the journey as well."
You mean the IC Class ice strengthened cruise ship built specially for traveling in the Arctic and Antarctic waters.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MS_Explorer...

Lets see if you can actually address the points raised instead of just throwing the usual insults.

beinghere: As you can see from his reply to me, he has little interest in facts and answers valid points by just repeating himself or with hostility.
Straight technical points like what type of ships the SS Manhattan & MS Explorer he ignores.

Meadow : "You just can't accept the truth, can you?"
If you ever post 'some truth' I will happily accept it! I'm not so good at accepting B/S and it seems I'm not alone.

Interesting had 2 thumbs up about 5 mins ago just after adding the last paragraph, had another window open looking at another question and suddenly in just a few minutes had 4 thumbs down don't you think that's just a little obvious meadow. Especially as after 4 hours no other denier is even willing to buy into this nonsense.

How long before All Black shows I wonder!

All Black(meadow) as it is now becoming pretty clear you are the same person, yes an open NWP would be quicker I thought I made that pretty clear, there was no "wihout meaning to" about it. But as I stated several times and you seem incapable of grasping 86 days is not open it is picking through very slowly to be an open commercial shipping lane you have to be able to sail straight through, and you can twist and squirm all you want, you can't answer that, as Meadow or as All black, can you !

 

[Old Rocks]

And the rest of the story;

snopes.com Global Warming 1922

As interesting as this nearly century-old article might be from a modern perspective, however, it isn't substantive evidence either for or against the concept of anthropogenic global warming. As documented elsewhere, the warming phenomena observed in 1922 proved to be indicative only of a local event in Spitzbergen, not a trend applicable to the Arctic as a whole.

Read more at snopes.com Global Warming 1922