MI Moving to a Right to Work State!!! Congrats!!!

[Gadawg73]

The taxpayer, THE PEOPLE THAT PAY THE SALARIES, do not get a seat at the table at the negotiating table so I oppose all government employee unions.
Government management HAVE NO NEGOTIATING SKILLS. They are not in the for profit business and have no clue how to negotiate.

 

[tap4154]

The taxpayer, THE PEOPLE THAT PAY THE SALARIES, do not get a seat at the table at the negotiating table so I oppose all government employee unions.
Government management HAVE NO NEGOTIATING SKILLS. They are not in the for profit business and have no clue how to negotiate.

It completely incestuous, and should be illegal!

City and State Dem legislators negotiating worker's FAT contracts with union goons, who fill their campaign cash accounts???

It's the single biggest reason our cities and states are going BK, and a huge reason why our public schools are FAILING.

Union workers and teachers cannot be fired, and aren't rewarded for excellence. In fact unions holds back progress, and takes away any incentive to excel.

Unions had their useful time, over 40 years ago. No need for them anymore, in America.

 

[CandySlice]

The problem with unions is that they made themselves irrelevant. They pushed government to do their job and now that they do and now they complain that fewer and fewer pay attention to them. The 8 hour day was great but it is legislated now we don't need the Union to do that for us. Benefits are nice but now the government is going to supply them too. Unions have become nothing but Democrat supporters who are little more then the corporations they say they hate.

I look at Unions the same way I look at the ACLU, high button shoes and corsets. They may have been a good idea at the time but they've out lived their usefulness and it's time for them to move on.
I live in Texas, a right to work state and they are arriving here daily from back east AND California by the truck load.

 

[zakdavis]

They still have unions in RTW states, and it is still hard as shit to fire workers. Only time I've seen people fired is when they...nope never saw anybody fired, even if they should up to work drunk, high, or broke property on purpose. On another note, I only made 12.50 starting out, couldn't get overtime(low seniority), but got free healthcare. When I worked a non union construction job, I started out at seventeen bucks an hour and could get overtime(because the old people wanted to go home), but no benefits. What I'm trying to say is that RTW states aren't some desolate shit holes people seem to make them out to be.

 

[CandySlice]

States with Stronger Unions Have Stronger Middle Classes

Seriously, what part of this don't ya'll get? The corporate masters (who own our legislators and the media, by the way) get the gold mine and we get the shaft.

How can anyone cheer this on?

Who is cheering this on? If you have a 401K how do you expect it to grow? You should expect it to grow by a percentage every year. So let's say you start out with $1000 and I start out with $100 and we both earn 10%/year. In one year you will now have $1100 and I will have $110 for a difference no longer of $900 but of $990. In the both cases you had 91% of the money. Works the same with wages, a percentage increase always helps the top more then the bottom that is why Unions usually demand percentage wage increases.

Now I suppose you question is how do we even the playing field? How do we keep the top from naturally growing apparently faster then the bottom in terms of actual money and not percent? Other then what is happening, the government just taking the those making more money I see no way around it.

Remember also, that if what is earned takes a dip those with the most lose the most in terms of dollars.

I got to call you on your math. That's some pathetic figuring.

 

[CandySlice]

States with Stronger Unions Have Stronger Middle Classes

Seriously, what part of this don't ya'll get? The corporate masters (who own our legislators and the media, by the way) get the gold mine and we get the shaft.

How can anyone cheer this on?

I guess I'm just thinking about the folks in Detroit and Akron who let the unions price us out of the markets and did more to moblize outsourcing than any other thing. Ask any steel worker from Pittsburg (if you can find one) how he likes being jobless as his job goes overseas.

 

[thanatos144]

No, actually I had not control over what the company did. Make a stand that cost me, yeah I am proud.

What did you think was going to happen when you tried to infest a small shop???? They would have no choice but to fold. Small shops can not afford unions. So you made a stand wanting more money and they had to let go of all of you....So for your greed you cost your co workers their jobs. Not something I would be proud of.

You definitely have the wrong conception of unions as do the liberal counter parts. Just because someone becomes unionized does not automatically wave a magic wane and they now get all kinds of goodies. What the company I worked for did was go from making a profit off of my labor to making no profit from my labor. The harder I worked the more money the company made. Asking for a fairer share did no good. Asking for decent medical coverage did no good. All we did was organize so we could negotiate fair wages and benefits for ALL the employees. The company didn't wait to even hear what we thought would be fair they just reacted. They broke the law before the vote and they broke it after. I could have just quit in the first place and had the vote gone differently I would have but I tried to make life better for all of us, whether you believe that or not. I would like to think it shook out better for all, it did for me.

So your greedy communist ass believed you deserved more and instead of just getting another job you threw a tantrum and invited a infestation of more larger communists and shocker of all shockers the company went belly up.....I have completely accurate view of Unions having spent most my life living with them. The company paid you to work and because they made money does not mean they need to give you more!

 

[CandySlice]

No, actually I had not control over what the company did. Make a stand that cost me, yeah I am proud.

What did you think was going to happen when you tried to infest a small shop???? They would have no choice but to fold. Small shops can not afford unions. So you made a stand wanting more money and they had to let go of all of you....So for your greed you cost your co workers their jobs. Not something I would be proud of.

You definitely have the wrong conception of unions as do the liberal counter parts. Just because someone becomes unionized does not automatically wave a magic wane and they now get all kinds of goodies. What the company I worked for did was go from making a profit off of my labor to making no profit from my labor. The harder I worked the more money the company made. Asking for a fairer share did no good. Asking for decent medical coverage did no good. All we did was organize so we could negotiate fair wages and benefits for ALL the employees. The company didn't wait to even hear what we thought would be fair they just reacted. They broke the law before the vote and they broke it after. I could have just quit in the first place and had the vote gone differently I would have but I tried to make life better for all of us, whether you believe that or not. I would like to think it shook out better for all, it did for me.

Wow, honey they didn't just make youi drink the Koolaid, you MAINLINED IT.

 

[saveliberty]

You definitely have the wrong conception of unions as do the liberal counter parts. Just because someone becomes unionized does not automatically wave a magic wane and they now get all kinds of goodies. What the company I worked for did was go from making a profit off of my labor to making no profit from my labor. The harder I worked the more money the company made. Asking for a fairer share did no good. Asking for decent medical coverage did no good. All we did was organize so we could negotiate fair wages and benefits for ALL the employees. The company didn't wait to even hear what we thought would be fair they just reacted. They broke the law before the vote and they broke it after. I could have just quit in the first place and had the vote gone differently I would have but I tried to make life better for all of us, whether you believe that or not. I would like to think it shook out better for all, it did for me.

The bold sentence was gold. No profit from your labor. In order to maintain your job and wages, it meant you had to produce more, but that was not enough. One guy in a factory isn't going to make much of a difference. Foreign competition is still a factor. In the end, cutting wages or downsizinf are the only alternatives to going out of business. Of course, your union bosses just told you they were lying and you believed them up to the point you were out of work.

 

[The Rabbi]

Union workers are semi-skilled welfare queens. Nothing more.
Good for Michigan. Now if they can figure out how to cede Detroit to Canada this country will be moving in the right direction.

 

[tap4154]

Yes, corporate profits are up, but it has nothing to do with the union issue. It's BECAUSE of the weak Obama economy.

Record low interest rates and much higher productivity, as companies have stopped hiring under the looming financial threat and burden of the ACA, CO2 scam, and higher taxes and costs across the board.

In fact they have more control than ever now, having a great excuse to not hire, and basically free money to borrow with these very low interest rates. Many are also increasing foreign sales to nations who are on the rise economically, not on the decline (skids) as America is, under oppression of the anti-business/nanny state policies and attitude of this administration.

A great (horrible) shift is occurring in the World as America, under King Barry, is moving away from the wise principles we were founded upon, and which made us great -- as other nations are breaking out of their socialist shackles, and adopting many of those founding American principles, and beginning to take our place.

Hard not to believe that this is being orchestrated from the WH... a WH that loathes America, loathes capitalism, and as his drunken father BHO Sr did, seeks to put "colonial" America back "in her place".

IMO the biggest threat to America resides at 600 Pennsylvania Ave NW, Washington, DC.

 

[The Rabbi]

States with Stronger Unions Have Stronger Middle Classes

Seriously, what part of this don't ya'll get? The corporate masters (who own our legislators and the media, by the way) get the gold mine and we get the shaft.

How can anyone cheer this on?

I guess I'm just thinking about the folks in Detroit and Akron who let the unions price us out of the markets and did more to moblize outsourcing than any other thing. Ask any steel worker from Pittsburg (if you can find one) how he likes being jobless as his job goes overseas.

The charts first propose a causality that does not exist. Second, while wages are higher in union states, so is unemployment. So unions pull up the moat around their workers at the expense of other workers not in the system.

 

[jasonnfree]

I saw the union goons yelling and screaming on TV.

The police should crack their fucking skulls in.

thats right. bring back the good old days.

 

[boilermaker55]

Great idea. Let us just let all the money go to the top. Give us more income disparity.
What a crock.
People like you have made the wages drop for working people.
Let the corporations exploit other people rather than those that make the product get their fair share. But then that is being greedy now isn't it, but it is fine for ceo's to pick up a quick $10 million.
Wise up before it's to late.

States with Stronger Unions Have Stronger Middle Classes

Seriously, what part of this don't ya'll get? The corporate masters (who own our legislators and the media, by the way) get the gold mine and we get the shaft.

How can anyone cheer this on?

I guess I'm just thinking about the folks in Detroit and Akron who let the unions price us out of the markets and did more to moblize outsourcing than any other thing. Ask any steel worker from Pittsburg (if you can find one) how he likes being jobless as his job goes overseas.

 

[zakdavis]

Great idea. Let us just let all the money go to the top. Give us more income disparity.
What a crock.
People like you have made the wages drop for working people.
Let the corporations exploit other people rather than those that make the product get their fair share. But then that is being greedy now isn't it, but it is fine for ceo's to pick up a quick $10 million.
Wise up before it's to late.

You know how much the head of the Teamsters makes? Half a fucking mil, paid by union dues for no damn work.
Do you understand what a right to work state is? It's the ability to NOT join a union when the company is unionized. Is the pressure still there? You betcha. Can you get fired? Maybe if you ran around work naked. Do you even understand how business works outside of 1870?

 

[SniperFire]

And that hourly wage is probably slightly above your IQ.

You can't refute my post so you decide to insult. Keepin' it classy, I see. I've worked in two right (not) to work states and I hope I never have to again. We need more unions in the private sector, not less. Labor has almost lost all of its voice. Employers are engaging in full-blown exploitation of labor all while making record profits & record productivity, and you know it. I guess you won't be happy until wage earners are trying to live on $30 a week, or corporations bring back work houses. That's exactly where we're headed.

Labor's share of national wealth is at a 60 year low .................. in Europe:

Europe clings to scorched-earth ideology as depression deepens - Telegraph

So your socialist buddies do no better.

Automation has displaced labor as the key driver in productivity, and automation favors those with capital. There is WAY more 'labor' available than what is needed. And now the third world has come online - further depreciating the cost of worker ants.

You pretend it is about hating on the working man, but you are really demanding that manufactures overpay for labor in our Post Industrial world. And you do your whining on a Bangladesh-assembled computer you bought because you found it to be a smokin deal.

The consumer - you - decide how much labor makes, and you do so by killing off those who overpay for it in the manufacturing process - by way of your purchase decisions.

Swell job.

 

[thanatos144]

isnt it funny that the only time progressives seem to only like workers when they are the ones who tell them what to do? They say they are all about empowering workers and yet work diligently to make sure they do not have any choices.... It is sick.

 

[zakdavis]

isnt it funny that the only time progressives seem to only like workers when they are the ones who tell them what to do? They say they are all about empowering workers and yet work diligently to make sure they do not have any choices.... It is sick.

The worker this, the worker that, blahblahblah. It's fucking tiresome because just about everybody who spews that bullshit hasn't been a goddamn worker in a REAL goddamn fucking union in a real fucking job. Your little Grocery Baggers United ain't shit.

/endrant

 

[bodecea]

I have no problem with right to work. But those who do not wish to join unions should not reap the benefits of union collective bargaining. Let them negotiate pay, etc. individually with their employers. And not receive the benefits of union protection in the form of advice, lawyers etc.

 

[zakdavis]

I have no problem with right to work. But those who do not wish to join unions should not reap the benefits of union collective bargaining. Let them negotiate pay, etc. individually with their employers. And not receive the benefits of union protection in the form of advice, lawyers etc.

Why should they suffer?