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That isn't true.
That's a CLOSED SHOP. Those aren't legal anywhere.
In a union shop you are only required to join the union (or pay dues) within a certain time period AFTER you begin work. You do not need to be a member to get the job in the first place.
And you are of course free to choose to work at a place with no union shop agreement, just as you're free to choose to work at a place that doesn't require you to wear a tie or shave. To suggest its a violation of your freedom because not every potential job is suited to your liking is just absurd.
No, wrong again
Sure, they can hire non union members in a union shop state.
BUT they ARE FORCED TO JOIN THE UNION IN A SPECIFIED PERIOD OF TIME OR LOSE THEIR JOBS.
Closed shop is worse than that.
In a UNION SHOP ALL HAVE TO JOIN THE UNION TO KEEP THEIR JOB.
You are not forced. You are free to not apply for jobs at businesses where you do not like the conditions of employment. That's like saying your boss "forced" you to take a drug test. No he did not. You are free to quit.
Sounds awesome to me.Are you following along at all here? The definition of a RTW law is one that forbids union shop agreements.
link?
You are fucking LAZY
A right-to-work law is a statute in the United States of America that prohibits union security agreements, or agreements between labor unions and employers that govern the extent to which an established union can require employees' membership, payment of union dues, or fees as a condition of employment, either before or after hiring.
Right-to-work law - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
lets see, Mich state gop has a 26-12 majority in the Senate and a 64-46 majority in the state House and the Gov. is a Rep..
Elections have consequences, sounds like a mandate to me...
So, do the democrats in the senate and state house pull a Wisconsin and lam it?
You either don't know what you're talking about, or you're so anti-conservative you wouldn't listen if you were told. Unions carry special privileges from obscure laws you seem to not acknowledge in your quest to claw your way to the top of the debate ladder. Here are privileges enjoyed by Unions even right to work states cannot impede, and it does include control over non-union workers' paying Union dues, whether or not they are members: Big Labor's top Ten special Privileges Please note privileges # 3 and 4. (not to mention the others)There are laws against intimidating people into joining a union. If you didn't report the crime that's your problem. Its hardly fair to pass laws prohibiting what kinds of agreements unions and business can make with one another just because some folks are too chicken to report crimes against them.
You do not know that in a union shop state EVERYONE is required to join the union before they can get a job in a union company?
That isn't true.
That's a CLOSED SHOP. Those aren't legal anywhere.
In a union shop you are only required to join the union (or pay dues) within a certain time period AFTER you begin work. You do not need to be a member to get the job in the first place.
And you are of course free to choose to work at a place with no union shop agreement, just as you're free to choose to work at a place that doesn't require you to wear a tie or shave. To suggest its a violation of your freedom because not every potential job is suited to your liking is just absurd.
Privilege #3: Power to force employees to accept unwanted union representation.
Monopoly bargaining, or exclusive representation, which is embedded in most of the countrys labor relations statutes, enables union officials to act as the exclusive bargaining agents of all employees at a unionized workplace, thereby depriving employees of the right to make their own employment contracts. For example, the National Labor Relations Act (NLRA) of 1935, the Federal Labor Relations Act (FLRA) of 1978, and the Railway Labor Act (RLA) of 1926 prohibit employees from negotiating their own contracts with their employers or choosing their own workplace representatives.
Privilege #4: Power to collect forced union dues.
Unlike other private organizations, unions can compel individuals to support them financially. In 27 states under the NLRA (those that have not passed Right to Work laws), all states under the RLA, on exclusive federal enclaves, and in many states under public sector labor relations acts, employees may be forced to pay union dues as a condition of employment, even if they reject union affiliation.
And more than a little out and out SABOTAGE.
Because union workers want to sabotage their own jobs, sure.
The hatred of the American workers hasn't been this high in decades.
No, because the union worker got paid to sit while the machine was repaired.
What this boils down to is that the unions are pissed that workers GET TO CHOOSE if they want to join the union or not.
You get to choose whether or not to join a union in every state.
You get to choose whether or not to join a union in every state.
The only difference is in RTW states the state dictates to business and unions what kinds of contracts they can sign with each other, rather than allowing business and unions to determine between themselves what is in their mutual interests.
link
Are you following along at all here? The definition of a RTW law is one that forbids union shop agreements.
You either don't know what you're talking about, or you're so anti-conservative you wouldn't listen if you were told. Unions carry special privileges from obscure laws you seem to not acknowledge in your quest to claw your way to the top of the debate ladder. Here are privileges enjoyed by Unions even right to work states cannot impede, and it does include control over non-union workers' paying Union dues, whether or not they are members: Big Labor's top Ten special Privileges Please note privileges # 3 and 4. (not to mention the others)You do not know that in a union shop state EVERYONE is required to join the union before they can get a job in a union company?
That isn't true.
That's a CLOSED SHOP. Those aren't legal anywhere.
In a union shop you are only required to join the union (or pay dues) within a certain time period AFTER you begin work. You do not need to be a member to get the job in the first place.
And you are of course free to choose to work at a place with no union shop agreement, just as you're free to choose to work at a place that doesn't require you to wear a tie or shave. To suggest its a violation of your freedom because not every potential job is suited to your liking is just absurd.
Privilege #3: Power to force employees to accept unwanted union representation.
Monopoly bargaining, or exclusive representation, which is embedded in most of the countrys labor relations statutes, enables union officials to act as the exclusive bargaining agents of all employees at a unionized workplace, thereby depriving employees of the right to make their own employment contracts. For example, the National Labor Relations Act (NLRA) of 1935, the Federal Labor Relations Act (FLRA) of 1978, and the Railway Labor Act (RLA) of 1926 prohibit employees from negotiating their own contracts with their employers or choosing their own workplace representatives.
Privilege #4: Power to collect forced union dues.
Unlike other private organizations, unions can compel individuals to support them financially. In 27 states under the NLRA (those that have not passed Right to Work laws), all states under the RLA, on exclusive federal enclaves, and in many states under public sector labor relations acts, employees may be forced to pay union dues as a condition of employment, even if they reject union affiliation.
Don't look now, but there's another one who just chimed in.I sometimes wonder why liberals say the most ridiculous things. Is it a case of ignorant dumbass or ideological fool?
Wait ... what was I thinking, it's both.
Don't look now, but there's another one who just chimed in.I sometimes wonder why liberals say the most ridiculous things. Is it a case of ignorant dumbass or ideological fool?
Wait ... what was I thinking, it's both.
You don't have to believe anything anyone types.Don't look now, but there's another one who just chimed in.I sometimes wonder why liberals say the most ridiculous things. Is it a case of ignorant dumbass or ideological fool?
Wait ... what was I thinking, it's both.
Cons. Are the dumb fucks, the sad part is you doped actually fall into line.
You either don't know what you're talking about, or you're so anti-conservative you wouldn't listen if you were told. Unions carry special privileges from obscure laws you seem to not acknowledge in your quest to claw your way to the top of the debate ladder. Here are privileges enjoyed by Unions even right to work states cannot impede, and it does include control over non-union workers' paying Union dues, whether or not they are members: Big Labor's top Ten special Privileges Please note privileges # 3 and 4. (not to mention the others)That isn't true.
That's a CLOSED SHOP. Those aren't legal anywhere.
In a union shop you are only required to join the union (or pay dues) within a certain time period AFTER you begin work. You do not need to be a member to get the job in the first place.
And you are of course free to choose to work at a place with no union shop agreement, just as you're free to choose to work at a place that doesn't require you to wear a tie or shave. To suggest its a violation of your freedom because not every potential job is suited to your liking is just absurd.
Privilege #3: Power to force employees to accept unwanted union representation.
Monopoly bargaining, or exclusive representation, which is embedded in most of the countrys labor relations statutes, enables union officials to act as the exclusive bargaining agents of all employees at a unionized workplace, thereby depriving employees of the right to make their own employment contracts. For example, the National Labor Relations Act (NLRA) of 1935, the Federal Labor Relations Act (FLRA) of 1978, and the Railway Labor Act (RLA) of 1926 prohibit employees from negotiating their own contracts with their employers or choosing their own workplace representatives.
Privilege #4: Power to collect forced union dues.
Unlike other private organizations, unions can compel individuals to support them financially. In 27 states under the NLRA (those that have not passed Right to Work laws), all states under the RLA, on exclusive federal enclaves, and in many states under public sector labor relations acts, employees may be forced to pay union dues as a condition of employment, even if they reject union affiliation.
Ah becki, always gonna pick the losing side and stick with it, FYI to the guy who said " you lie" I work and live in a state where we have unions and guess what, you DO have a choice. Also look at who has "right to work" laws, pretty much all red, also in mi. As I said before, it will be reversed. 2014 the tea party fucks are out, as well as the gov. So yeah, have at it, in going down that road, the republicans just put Michigan from a swing state, to a solid blue
You forget omerta oaths and those who refuse to join. Those who do avoid joining unions have incidents of:You either don't know what you're talking about, or you're so anti-conservative you wouldn't listen if you were told. Unions carry special privileges from obscure laws you seem to not acknowledge in your quest to claw your way to the top of the debate ladder. Here are privileges enjoyed by Unions even right to work states cannot impede, and it does include control over non-union workers' paying Union dues, whether or not they are members: Big Labor's top Ten special Privileges Please note privileges # 3 and 4. (not to mention the others)That isn't true.
That's a CLOSED SHOP. Those aren't legal anywhere.
In a union shop you are only required to join the union (or pay dues) within a certain time period AFTER you begin work. You do not need to be a member to get the job in the first place.
And you are of course free to choose to work at a place with no union shop agreement, just as you're free to choose to work at a place that doesn't require you to wear a tie or shave. To suggest its a violation of your freedom because not every potential job is suited to your liking is just absurd.
Privilege #3: Power to force employees to accept unwanted union representation.
Monopoly bargaining, or exclusive representation, which is embedded in most of the countrys labor relations statutes, enables union officials to act as the exclusive bargaining agents of all employees at a unionized workplace, thereby depriving employees of the right to make their own employment contracts. For example, the National Labor Relations Act (NLRA) of 1935, the Federal Labor Relations Act (FLRA) of 1978, and the Railway Labor Act (RLA) of 1926 prohibit employees from negotiating their own contracts with their employers or choosing their own workplace representatives.
Privilege #4: Power to collect forced union dues.
Unlike other private organizations, unions can compel individuals to support them financially. In 27 states under the NLRA (those that have not passed Right to Work laws), all states under the RLA, on exclusive federal enclaves, and in many states under public sector labor relations acts, employees may be forced to pay union dues as a condition of employment, even if they reject union affiliation.
Ah becki, always gonna pick the losing side and stick with it, FYI to the guy who said " you lie" I work and live in a state where we have unions and guess what, you DO have a choice. Also look at who has "right to work" laws, pretty much all red, also in mi. As I said before, it will be reversed. 2014 the tea party fucks are out, as well as the gov. So yeah, have at it, in going down that road, the republicans just put Michigan from a swing state, to a solid blue
Michigan's middle class and working poor can now look forward to LOWER WAGES
The Wage Penalty of Right-to-Work Laws | Economic Policy Institute
2001 report
Here's one from 2011
http://www.epi.org/page/-/old/briefingpapers/BriefingPaper299.pdf#page=9
STILL LOWER
workers in RTW states make on average $1500 per year LESS.
The reason to destroy them is to insure the survival of jobs.How on earth does anyone see this as a good thing? Good lord. You don't think workers should have any leverage in the workplace? Well, at least you know wages will be taking a real dive there. Good job, corporatist morons.
Coming from a right to work state, I can tell you you have nothing to fear. You might laugh at Oklahoma being one of the irrelevant flyover states and being a bunch of hicks, but it's a really great pace to live with low unemployment and a decent standard of living. I paid $239k for my 2800 sq ft house in 2001. Any idea how much the same identical house would cost in New York, Chicago or LA? Unions served their purpose at one time and they helped create workplace standards that we all enjoy today. But they go too far and end up killing companies now. Right to work is a good thing.
I agree with that sentiment, but I don't see any reason to try and destroy them...Let the Market do what it does best: Level the playing field in each individual State as it sees fit...The diversity of life styles in each state and population densities require differing solutions.
If they didn't they didn't get the job..........Thats forcing someone.I agree with that sentiment, but I don't see any reason to try and destroy them...Let the Market do what it does best: Level the playing field in each individual State as it sees fit...The diversity of life styles in each state and population densities require differing solutions.
I don't have a problem with unions existing. I have a problem with people being forced to join a union if they don't want to.
No one is forced to join a union if they don't want to.
American worker haters????? How much percentage does union workers make up in this country?Will one of you American worker haters explain to me why all you do is bash workers while the CEO's sit on their asses and rip of companies and when this go south for the company they get a big pay out and this bothers you not?
What a large group of hypocritical lying Worker haters.
Maybe it is because you could not get a raise or hold a job and this pisses you off, while the workers who have negotiated a decent wage make you jealous. IS that it?
Because union workers want to sabotage their own jobs, sure.
The hatred of the American workers hasn't been this high in decades.
No, because the union worker got paid to sit while the machine was repaired.
Out and out lie.
There's no evidence to substantiate your claim that people are forced to join unions.
In a union shop state YOU HAVE TO JOIN THE UNION to work in a company that has union employees.
And that is THE LAW there. No exceptions.
You learn something new every day.
they just changed that with right to work.
