Messianic Jews

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    I'd like to hear your opinions, questions, comments...basically anything you think about Jews who follow Jesus. Just couldn't think of a better way to start this thread.
     
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    They've apparently weighed all the evidence and decided that Jesus is, indeed, the Messiah He claimed to be.
     
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    I profess I kknow not much about Messianic Jews other than they exist.
     
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    There's no such thing as a messianic Jew... if they accept that Christ was the Messiah, they're Christian.
     
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    "Jewish" defines a race as well as a religion.
     
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    Hang on a second, even atheists (at least those of them who read smart books) accept the fact that “Christ” is “the Messiah” i.e. christos=mashiach. Both of these titles basically mean the same thing: "the anointed one".

    What do you mean "they're Christian"? Please remind me where did this term came from? What if they don't share the same doctrine e.g. don't accept ecumenical councils, what if they identify them selves as Jews? What if they still observe Torah and non-Christian biblical holydays?

    Why don't they have a right to be yehudim mashiachim, messianic Jews, or Jewish followers of the messiah etc. Why should they call them selves the way somebody called non-Jewish followers of Jesus in Antioch 1900 years ago? I don't think that any of Jesus's apostles or thousands of Yerushalaimi Jews who accepted Jesus as the messiah during the first century identified them selves as "Christians". They didn't perceive them selves as ones who converted to a new religion, neither do I.

    Some "church fathers" did a great job to separate Jews from Jesus, by forcing them to get rid of their religious and cultural heritage and assimilate. I don't think that this is the right way.

    I think "Christianity" is a logical step in "evolution" of biblical faith, some might consider Talmudic Judaism as the next step - I don't. What we have to realize is that both of these religions are basically 2 branches of the same tree. I'd call it Judaism.
     
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    to Яша,

    Поверь мне, ты - не Бог, хотя возможно - божок в языческом смысле этого слова:cuckoo:
     
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    Because Christian is anyone who accepts Christ as the messiah. Judaism neither believes Jesus was the messiah nor believes that the messiah has come yet. Real simple... and I don't see it as "evolution", simply a different religion. Sorry, I'm not "unevolved" and I don't know if you mean it, but your comments sound awfully arrogant. Belief is fine.. I don't see yours as either superior to mine or as an "evolution" of my beliefs.

    Judaism does not see the messiah in the same was as Christianity does. Rather than a 'savior', judaism believes that the messiah is a messianic king of the davidic line who will bring 1,000 years of peace (other stuff, too.. but it's not really relevant to this discussion).

    So, no.. there is no such thing as a Jew who believes Jesus was the messiah. By definition that would be a rejection of jewish beliefs and be Christianity in its purest sense, a follower of Christ.

    So, I stand by my statement and I suspect most other Jews would agree with me.

    And I'm a bit confused by your assertion that athiests believe Jesus was the messiah. For an athiest to have a belief in the messiah, they'd first have to have a belief in G-d.
     
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    No, it doesn't. A race is a group of people with shared genetic traits. Jews exist in all different races. My race is caucasion. My religion is Judaism, my nationality is American.
     
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    Interesting. I've never thought of this angle before. I suppose they would be analogous to a mirror image tree of Christianity, with the Catholics and Orthodox in the center, the Protestants on one side, and the Messianic Jews on the other side. They all believe in Christ, just interpret his teachings in different ways, and practice different traditions.
     

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