Mass shooting in Australia, gun control there is FAILING

[cnm]

Wrong, they didn't go 22 years between mass shootings, they have had over a dozen public shootings. The only reason they aren't mass public shootings ...

So that is 22 years between mass shootings. You are a demented loony.

 

[cnm]

After 1997, both countries experienced similar drops in mass murders, even though New Zealand had not altered its gun control laws.

New Zealand altered their laws in 1990 after a mass shooting and hasn't had one since that I'm aware of. Ffs.

You are demented. And full of bullshit.

 

[cnm]

You have to prove it was going down AND that taking all the guns didn't make it go down any faster.

They didn't take all the guns.

 

[cnm]

But only one policy reduced the number and severity of mass public shootings: allowing victims to defend themselves with permitted, concealed handguns.

That's obvious bullshit when NZ's and Australia's example is taken into account. Obvious rightard dumb fuck bullshit.

 

[cnm]

Timeline of major crimes in Australia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

And Australia's firearms homicide rate is still 1/25th that of the US'. It's pretty hilarious you concentrate on countries doing much better than the US in regard to firearm fatalities, but the reason is obvious. Your position disintegrates as soon as you focus on the US.

 

[cnm]

Too selfish?

Yes. You consider the deaths of other people's school kids an acceptable price to pay for your easy access to handguns and military style semi automatics. Too selfish.

 

[2aguy]

Wrong, they didn't go 22 years between mass shootings, they have had over a dozen public shootings. The only reason they aren't mass public shootings ...

So that is 22 years between mass shootings. You are a demented loony.

No......you have had over 12 public shootings with your gun confiscation and ban, that the shooters didn't kill 4 or more people was not because your gun control laws stopped them... you have been running on luck...

 

[2aguy]

After 1997, both countries experienced similar drops in mass murders, even though New Zealand had not altered its gun control laws.

New Zealand altered their laws in 1990 after a mass shooting and hasn't had one since that I'm aware of. Ffs.

You are demented. And full of bullshit.

And yet that isn't what the statistics say......or the laws.....as the links show.

 

[2aguy]

Timeline of major crimes in Australia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

And Australia's firearms homicide rate is still 1/25th that of the US'. It's pretty hilarious you concentrate on countries doing much better than the US in regard to firearm fatalities, but the reason is obvious. Your position disintegrates as soon as you focus on the US.

No....I am showing that it isn't gun control laws that keep the gun murder rate down but the culture of the country, since their gun crime rate is going up. Their criminals aren't murdering each other as often but they are using guns for crime.

That you guys have to hide the truth shows you know that gun control does not stop gun crime from increasing.

 

[2aguy]

Timeline of major crimes in Australia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

And Australia's firearms homicide rate is still 1/25th that of the US'. It's pretty hilarious you concentrate on countries doing much better than the US in regard to firearm fatalities, but the reason is obvious. Your position disintegrates as soon as you focus on the US.

in regard to firearm fatalities, but the reason is obvious

Look, doofus, criminals in Australia have guns....they have more guns than before....they aren't using the actual guns they have to commit murder, so the reason is not obvious to you...since the facts on the ground show you don't know what you are talking about.

They have guns. They shoot people. They aren't murdering people, yet you claim it is because of the gun laws that aren't stopping them from getting guns....that is stupid...

 

[cnm]

No......you have had over 12 public shootings with your gun confiscation and ban, that the shooters didn't kill 4 or more people was not because your gun control laws stopped them... you have been running on luck...

Absolute rubbish. If handguns or military style semi automatics were easily obtainable the casualty figures could be much worse.

 

[cnm]

Look, doofus, criminals in Australia have guns

And Australian firearm laws are keeping the rate of firearm homicides to 1/25 of that of the US.

 

[2aguy]

Too selfish?

Yes. You consider the deaths of other people's school kids an acceptable price to pay for your easy access to handguns and military style semi automatics. Too selfish.

No....we don't accept it but the democrats here don't want to stop it. If they wanted to stop the rare public school shootings they would end gun free zones, since we know that mass shooters choose democrat gun free zones as targets.

And there were 238 children murdered with guns in 2016....there were 674 murdered by other means. You only care about the ones murdered with guns.....

At the same time there were 2.4 million defensive gun uses in the United States.....2.4 million according to the CDC and other studies.....those are violent rapes, robberies and potential murders stopped....and if you do what you want, getting rid of guns.......then those rapes, robberies and murders happen and are completed.....

do you see how stupid your argument is now?

Fatal Injury Data | WISQARS | Injury Center | CDC
2016....
Murder with guns...kids, 238
<1.......11
1-4.......64
5-9......68
10-14....95
Other means........
<1-14
674

Accidental gun deaths of kids......with over 600 million guns in private hands and over 17 million people carrying guns for self defense..


https://webappa.cdc.gov/sasweb/ncipc/leadcause.html
2016...74
2015...48
2014...50
2013...69
2012...58
2011...74
2010...62
2009...48
2008...62
2007...65
2006...54
2005...75
2004...63
2003...56
2002...60
2001...72
2000...86
1999...88

 

[cnm]

And yet that isn't what the statistics say......or the laws.....as the links show.

There has not been a mass shooting with a military style semi automatic since the laws were revamped. You are full of demented bullshit.

 

[2aguy]

Look, doofus, criminals in Australia have guns

And Australian firearm laws are keeping the rate of firearm homicides to 1/25 of that of the US.

No, they aren't ....since criminals who ignore the law have guns....you simple minded doofus. They have guns, they shoot those guns at other people, they just aren't killing them. What part of the criminals having guns and using them correlates with a low murder rate due to gun control...since the gun control didn't stop them from getting the guns they are currently using for crime?

 

[cnm]

No....we don't accept it but the democrats here don't want to stop it.

You do. Many posters on this site have said exactly that, while others have implied consent by their silence.

 

[cnm]

No, they aren't

Australia's firearm homicide rate is 1/25th that of the US. In large measure because handguns are rigidly controlled and have been for decades.

 

[2aguy]

No......you have had over 12 public shootings with your gun confiscation and ban, that the shooters didn't kill 4 or more people was not because your gun control laws stopped them... you have been running on luck...

Absolute rubbish. If handguns or military style semi automatics were easily obtainable the casualty figures could be much worse.

Only if they are used to commit murder...and Australian Criminals aren't murdering each other.....

And then you have to explain how increased gun ownership and gun carrying in the U.S. leads to lower gun murder....lower gun crime...and lower violent crime...

Do you care to explain that? This fact shows that you have no rational point.....considering at the same time, Australian gun crime is going up, not down.

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 17 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2017...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

 

[2aguy]

No, they aren't

Australia's firearm homicide rate is 1/25th that of the US. In large measure because handguns are rigidly controlled.

Wrong...your criminals get guns, and hand guns are the easiest to get illegally since they are small and easy to conceal...Australia's murder rate is low because their criminals aren't murdering each other.

 

[candycorn]

I would gladly trade our murder rate for theirs.