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Ah, the "liberals believe it will stop all shootings" straw man. I believe we've already discussed this.Straw man alert! Everybody but rwnj NRA cultists knows that gun control doesn't mean 0 shootings, it means less shootings.According to you shit stains gun control means zero gun violence, Fortunately anti-gun nutters have no credibility...
You idjits need to memorise some new talking points.
Everybody but rwnj NRA cultists knows that gun control doesn't mean 0 shootings, it means less shootings.
Except it isn't working that way in Britain or Australia, doofus. In both countries gun crime is going up, not down, meanwhile, in the United States....gun crime, gun murder and violent crime is going down, while more Americans are owning and actually carrying guns.....
Your entire point is wrong......gun control in Britain? More gun crime. Gun control in Australia? More gun crime.
More people carrying guns in the U.S.? Gun murder down, gun crime down, violent crime down.
In your mind only. MOST people in the US do NOT carry guns. You may dream about it but most don't carry guns at all. In fact, most homes don't even have guns at all. The bulk of the guns are owned by only a small percentage of the people who own multiple guns. You use the total and spread it out over the entire population when it's only a small percentage that actually owns the guns.
Australia's gun murder just went up. 7 murders in 22 years and that's it. Rather than ding them for those 7 deaths, how about taking your hat off to them for the 22 years where there were Zero Gun Murders. And then wish them another 22 years of no gun murders.
they haven't had 0 gun murders and they have had about 15 public shootings since they banned and confiscated guns....and their gun crime rate is going up, not down....
Lol, 15 shootings? In 22 years? We have more than that every day!Dude, wake up. 7 people is the worst shooting Australia has had in 22 years, it isn't even the worst one we've had this month!Straw man alert! Everybody but rwnj NRA cultists knows that gun control doesn't mean 0 shootings, it means less shootings.According to you shit stains gun control means zero gun violence, Fortunately anti-gun nutters have no credibility...
You idjits need to memorise some new talking points.
Everybody but rwnj NRA cultists knows that gun control doesn't mean 0 shootings, it means less shootings.
Except it isn't working that way in Britain or Australia, doofus. In both countries gun crime is going up, not down, meanwhile, in the United States....gun crime, gun murder and violent crime is going down, while more Americans are owning and actually carrying guns.....
Your entire point is wrong......gun control in Britain? More gun crime. Gun control in Australia? More gun crime.
More people carrying guns in the U.S.? Gun murder down, gun crime down, violent crime down.
They banned and confiscated guns....they are constantly used to say that their gun control laws work, and that is a lie. They have had about 15 public shootings since the gun ban.....and their gun crime rate is going up, while ours is going down.
The truth is the truth.
Could you be a little more dishonest?
15 shootings? We get that on a weekendDude, wake up. 7 people is the worst shooting Australia has had in 22 years, it isn't even the worst one we've had this month!Straw man alert! Everybody but rwnj NRA cultists knows that gun control doesn't mean 0 shootings, it means less shootings.According to you shit stains gun control means zero gun violence, Fortunately anti-gun nutters have no credibility...One can tell that because the US has a firearm homicide rate 25 times greater than in Australia.
You idjits need to memorise some new talking points.
Everybody but rwnj NRA cultists knows that gun control doesn't mean 0 shootings, it means less shootings.
Except it isn't working that way in Britain or Australia, doofus. In both countries gun crime is going up, not down, meanwhile, in the United States....gun crime, gun murder and violent crime is going down, while more Americans are owning and actually carrying guns.....
Your entire point is wrong......gun control in Britain? More gun crime. Gun control in Australia? More gun crime.
More people carrying guns in the U.S.? Gun murder down, gun crime down, violent crime down.
They banned and confiscated guns....they are constantly used to say that their gun control laws work, and that is a lie. They have had about 15 public shootings since the gun ban.....and their gun crime rate is going up, while ours is going down.
The truth is the truth.
Ah, the "liberals believe it will stop all shootings" straw man. I believe we've already discussed this.Straw man alert! Everybody but rwnj NRA cultists knows that gun control doesn't mean 0 shootings, it means less shootings.According to you shit stains gun control means zero gun violence, Fortunately anti-gun nutters have no credibility...
You idjits need to memorise some new talking points.
Everybody but rwnj NRA cultists knows that gun control doesn't mean 0 shootings, it means less shootings.
Except it isn't working that way in Britain or Australia, doofus. In both countries gun crime is going up, not down, meanwhile, in the United States....gun crime, gun murder and violent crime is going down, while more Americans are owning and actually carrying guns.....
Your entire point is wrong......gun control in Britain? More gun crime. Gun control in Australia? More gun crime.
More people carrying guns in the U.S.? Gun murder down, gun crime down, violent crime down.
In your mind only. MOST people in the US do NOT carry guns. You may dream about it but most don't carry guns at all. In fact, most homes don't even have guns at all. The bulk of the guns are owned by only a small percentage of the people who own multiple guns. You use the total and spread it out over the entire population when it's only a small percentage that actually owns the guns.
Australia's gun murder just went up. 7 murders in 22 years and that's it. Rather than ding them for those 7 deaths, how about taking your hat off to them for the 22 years where there were Zero Gun Murders. And then wish them another 22 years of no gun murders.
they haven't had 0 gun murders and they have had about 15 public shootings since they banned and confiscated guns....and their gun crime rate is going up, not down....
15 shootings? We get that on a weekendDude, wake up. 7 people is the worst shooting Australia has had in 22 years, it isn't even the worst one we've had this month!Straw man alert! Everybody but rwnj NRA cultists knows that gun control doesn't mean 0 shootings, it means less shootings.According to you shit stains gun control means zero gun violence, Fortunately anti-gun nutters have no credibility...
You idjits need to memorise some new talking points.
Everybody but rwnj NRA cultists knows that gun control doesn't mean 0 shootings, it means less shootings.
Except it isn't working that way in Britain or Australia, doofus. In both countries gun crime is going up, not down, meanwhile, in the United States....gun crime, gun murder and violent crime is going down, while more Americans are owning and actually carrying guns.....
Your entire point is wrong......gun control in Britain? More gun crime. Gun control in Australia? More gun crime.
More people carrying guns in the U.S.? Gun murder down, gun crime down, violent crime down.
They banned and confiscated guns....they are constantly used to say that their gun control laws work, and that is a lie. They have had about 15 public shootings since the gun ban.....and their gun crime rate is going up, while ours is going down.
The truth is the truth.
The gun ban kept them safe
Dude, reposting the same nonsense every time this comes up doesn't make it any less nonsensical. You need some new material. You should start by looking for things that are true.Lol, 15 shootings? In 22 years? We have more than that every day!Dude, wake up. 7 people is the worst shooting Australia has had in 22 years, it isn't even the worst one we've had this month!Straw man alert! Everybody but rwnj NRA cultists knows that gun control doesn't mean 0 shootings, it means less shootings.
You idjits need to memorise some new talking points.
Everybody but rwnj NRA cultists knows that gun control doesn't mean 0 shootings, it means less shootings.
Except it isn't working that way in Britain or Australia, doofus. In both countries gun crime is going up, not down, meanwhile, in the United States....gun crime, gun murder and violent crime is going down, while more Americans are owning and actually carrying guns.....
Your entire point is wrong......gun control in Britain? More gun crime. Gun control in Australia? More gun crime.
More people carrying guns in the U.S.? Gun murder down, gun crime down, violent crime down.
They banned and confiscated guns....they are constantly used to say that their gun control laws work, and that is a lie. They have had about 15 public shootings since the gun ban.....and their gun crime rate is going up, while ours is going down.
The truth is the truth.
Could you be a little more dishonest?
What you willfully fail to understand is that Australia didn't have a lot of gun crime before they banned and confiscated guns, and they didn't have many public shootings before they banned and confiscated guns.....now, after they banned and confiscated guns, they still have public shootings and their gun crime rate is going up...
Meanwhile, we have more Americans who now own and carry guns and our gun crime rate, our gun murder rate and our violent crime rate has gone down, not up.....showing that your beliefs about guns are completely wrong...
We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 17 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2017...guess what happened...
-- gun murder down 49%
--gun crime down 75%
--violent crime down 72%
Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware
Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.
And Australia?
Australia’s 1996 Gun Confiscation Didn’t Work | National Review
University of Melbourne researchers Wang-Sheng Lee and Sandy Suardi concluded their 2008 report on the matter with the statement, “There is little evidence to suggest that [the Australian mandatory gun-buyback program] had any significant effects on firearm homicides.”
“Although gun buybacks appear to be a logical and sensible policy that helps to placate the public’s fears,” the reported continued, “the evidence so far suggests that in the Australian context, the high expenditure incurred to fund the 1996 gun buyback has not translated into any tangible reductions in terms of firearm deaths.”
A 2007 report, “Gun Laws and Sudden Death: Did the Australian Firearms Legislation of 1996 Make a Difference?” by Jeanine Baker and Samara McPhedran similarly concluded that the buyback program did not have a significant long-term effect on the Australian homicide rate.
The Australian gun-homicide rate had already been quite low and had been steadily falling in the 15 years prior to the Port Arthur massacre. And while the mandatory buyback program did appear to reduce the rate of accidental firearm deaths, Baker and McPhedran found that “the gun buy-back and restrictive legislative changes had no influence on firearm homicide in Australia.”
=======
2007 report..
http://c3.nrostatic.com/sites/default/files/Baker and McPhedran 2007.pdf
Conclusions Examination of the long-term trends indicated that the only category of sudden death that may have been influenced by the introduction of the NFA was firearm suicide
------
However, this effect must be considered in light of the findings for suicide (non-firearm). Homicide patterns (firearm and non-firearm) were not influenced by the NFA, the conclusion being that the gun buy-back and restrictive legislative changes had no influence on firearm homicide in Australia. The introduction of the NFA appeared to have a negative effect on accidental firearm death. However, over the time period investigated, there was a relatively small number of accidental deaths per annum, with substantial variability. Any conclusions regarding the effect of the NFA on accidental firearm death should be approached with caution
=========
2008 report...
http://c8.nrostatic.com/sites/default/files/Lee and Suardi 2008.pdf
In this paper, we re-analyze the same data on firearm deaths used in previous research, using tests for unknown structural breaks as a means to identifying impacts of the NFA. The results of these tests suggest that the NFA did not have any large effects on reducing firearm homicide or suicide rates.
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6. Conclusion
This paper takes a closer look at the effects of the National Firearms Agreement on gun deaths. Using a battery of structural break tests, there is little evidence to suggest that it had any significant effects on firearm homicides and suicides. In addition, there also does not appear to be any substitution effects – that reduced access to firearms may have led those bent on committing homicide or suicide to use alternative methods.
Australia’s Gun 'Buyback' Created a Violent Firearms Black Market. Why Should the U.S. Do the Same?
Just days ago, Australia's Peter Dutton, Minister for Immigration and Border Protection, and Michael Keenan, Minister for Justice, held a joint press conference to announce "We don't tolerate gun smuggling in Australia and we know Outlaw Motorcycle Gangs are engaged in it. We have been keen to send the strongest possible message from Canberra that we're not going to tolerate people smuggling in guns or smuggling in gun parts. You'd appreciate that even one smuggled gun can do an enormous amount of damage."
When politicians announce that they don't tolerate something, it's a fair bet that the something is completely out of hand.
"Police admit they cannot eradicate a black market that is peddling illegal guns to criminals," the Adelaide Advertiser concededa few years ago. "Motorcycle gang members and convicted criminals barred from buying guns in South Australia have no difficulty obtaining illegal firearms - including fully automatic weapons."
More recently, the country's The New Daily gained access to "previously unpublished data for firearms offences" and reporteda surge in crime "including a massive 83 per cent increase in firearms offences in NSW between 2005/06 and 2014/15, and an even bigger jump in Victoria over the same period."
"Australians may be more at risk from gun crime than ever before with the country's underground market for firearms ballooning in the past decade," the report added. "[T]he national ban on semi-automatic weapons following the Port Arthur massacre had spawned criminal demand for handguns."
Much as the Mafia and other organized criminal outfits rose to power, wealth, and prominence by supplying illegal liquor during Prohibition in the United States, outlaw motorcycle gangs in Australia appear to be building international connections and making money by supplying guns to willing buyers.
Dude, reposting the same nonsense every time this comes up doesn't make it any less nonsensical. You need some new material. You should start by looking for things that are true.Lol, 15 shootings? In 22 years? We have more than that every day!Dude, wake up. 7 people is the worst shooting Australia has had in 22 years, it isn't even the worst one we've had this month!Everybody but rwnj NRA cultists knows that gun control doesn't mean 0 shootings, it means less shootings.
Except it isn't working that way in Britain or Australia, doofus. In both countries gun crime is going up, not down, meanwhile, in the United States....gun crime, gun murder and violent crime is going down, while more Americans are owning and actually carrying guns.....
Your entire point is wrong......gun control in Britain? More gun crime. Gun control in Australia? More gun crime.
More people carrying guns in the U.S.? Gun murder down, gun crime down, violent crime down.
They banned and confiscated guns....they are constantly used to say that their gun control laws work, and that is a lie. They have had about 15 public shootings since the gun ban.....and their gun crime rate is going up, while ours is going down.
The truth is the truth.
Could you be a little more dishonest?
What you willfully fail to understand is that Australia didn't have a lot of gun crime before they banned and confiscated guns, and they didn't have many public shootings before they banned and confiscated guns.....now, after they banned and confiscated guns, they still have public shootings and their gun crime rate is going up...
Meanwhile, we have more Americans who now own and carry guns and our gun crime rate, our gun murder rate and our violent crime rate has gone down, not up.....showing that your beliefs about guns are completely wrong...
We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 17 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2017...guess what happened...
-- gun murder down 49%
--gun crime down 75%
--violent crime down 72%
Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware
Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.
And Australia?
Australia’s 1996 Gun Confiscation Didn’t Work | National Review
University of Melbourne researchers Wang-Sheng Lee and Sandy Suardi concluded their 2008 report on the matter with the statement, “There is little evidence to suggest that [the Australian mandatory gun-buyback program] had any significant effects on firearm homicides.”
“Although gun buybacks appear to be a logical and sensible policy that helps to placate the public’s fears,” the reported continued, “the evidence so far suggests that in the Australian context, the high expenditure incurred to fund the 1996 gun buyback has not translated into any tangible reductions in terms of firearm deaths.”
A 2007 report, “Gun Laws and Sudden Death: Did the Australian Firearms Legislation of 1996 Make a Difference?” by Jeanine Baker and Samara McPhedran similarly concluded that the buyback program did not have a significant long-term effect on the Australian homicide rate.
The Australian gun-homicide rate had already been quite low and had been steadily falling in the 15 years prior to the Port Arthur massacre. And while the mandatory buyback program did appear to reduce the rate of accidental firearm deaths, Baker and McPhedran found that “the gun buy-back and restrictive legislative changes had no influence on firearm homicide in Australia.”
=======
2007 report..
http://c3.nrostatic.com/sites/default/files/Baker and McPhedran 2007.pdf
Conclusions Examination of the long-term trends indicated that the only category of sudden death that may have been influenced by the introduction of the NFA was firearm suicide
------
However, this effect must be considered in light of the findings for suicide (non-firearm). Homicide patterns (firearm and non-firearm) were not influenced by the NFA, the conclusion being that the gun buy-back and restrictive legislative changes had no influence on firearm homicide in Australia. The introduction of the NFA appeared to have a negative effect on accidental firearm death. However, over the time period investigated, there was a relatively small number of accidental deaths per annum, with substantial variability. Any conclusions regarding the effect of the NFA on accidental firearm death should be approached with caution
=========
2008 report...
http://c8.nrostatic.com/sites/default/files/Lee and Suardi 2008.pdf
In this paper, we re-analyze the same data on firearm deaths used in previous research, using tests for unknown structural breaks as a means to identifying impacts of the NFA. The results of these tests suggest that the NFA did not have any large effects on reducing firearm homicide or suicide rates.
-------
6. Conclusion
This paper takes a closer look at the effects of the National Firearms Agreement on gun deaths. Using a battery of structural break tests, there is little evidence to suggest that it had any significant effects on firearm homicides and suicides. In addition, there also does not appear to be any substitution effects – that reduced access to firearms may have led those bent on committing homicide or suicide to use alternative methods.
Australia’s Gun 'Buyback' Created a Violent Firearms Black Market. Why Should the U.S. Do the Same?
Just days ago, Australia's Peter Dutton, Minister for Immigration and Border Protection, and Michael Keenan, Minister for Justice, held a joint press conference to announce "We don't tolerate gun smuggling in Australia and we know Outlaw Motorcycle Gangs are engaged in it. We have been keen to send the strongest possible message from Canberra that we're not going to tolerate people smuggling in guns or smuggling in gun parts. You'd appreciate that even one smuggled gun can do an enormous amount of damage."
When politicians announce that they don't tolerate something, it's a fair bet that the something is completely out of hand.
"Police admit they cannot eradicate a black market that is peddling illegal guns to criminals," the Adelaide Advertiser concededa few years ago. "Motorcycle gang members and convicted criminals barred from buying guns in South Australia have no difficulty obtaining illegal firearms - including fully automatic weapons."
More recently, the country's The New Daily gained access to "previously unpublished data for firearms offences" and reporteda surge in crime "including a massive 83 per cent increase in firearms offences in NSW between 2005/06 and 2014/15, and an even bigger jump in Victoria over the same period."
"Australians may be more at risk from gun crime than ever before with the country's underground market for firearms ballooning in the past decade," the report added. "[T]he national ban on semi-automatic weapons following the Port Arthur massacre had spawned criminal demand for handguns."
Much as the Mafia and other organized criminal outfits rose to power, wealth, and prominence by supplying illegal liquor during Prohibition in the United States, outlaw motorcycle gangs in Australia appear to be building international connections and making money by supplying guns to willing buyers.
Lol, 15 shootings? In 22 years? We have more than that every day!Dude, wake up. 7 people is the worst shooting Australia has had in 22 years, it isn't even the worst one we've had this month!Straw man alert! Everybody but rwnj NRA cultists knows that gun control doesn't mean 0 shootings, it means less shootings.
You idjits need to memorise some new talking points.
Everybody but rwnj NRA cultists knows that gun control doesn't mean 0 shootings, it means less shootings.
Except it isn't working that way in Britain or Australia, doofus. In both countries gun crime is going up, not down, meanwhile, in the United States....gun crime, gun murder and violent crime is going down, while more Americans are owning and actually carrying guns.....
Your entire point is wrong......gun control in Britain? More gun crime. Gun control in Australia? More gun crime.
More people carrying guns in the U.S.? Gun murder down, gun crime down, violent crime down.
They banned and confiscated guns....they are constantly used to say that their gun control laws work, and that is a lie. They have had about 15 public shootings since the gun ban.....and their gun crime rate is going up, while ours is going down.
The truth is the truth.
Could you be a little more dishonest?
What you willfully fail to understand is that Australia didn't have a lot of gun crime before they banned and confiscated guns, and they didn't have many public shootings before they banned and confiscated guns.....now, after they banned and confiscated guns, they still have public shootings and their gun crime rate is going up...
Meanwhile, we have more Americans who now own and carry guns and our gun crime rate, our gun murder rate and our violent crime rate has gone down, not up.....showing that your beliefs about guns are completely wrong...
We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 17 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2017...guess what happened...
-- gun murder down 49%
--gun crime down 75%
--violent crime down 72%
Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware
Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.
And Australia?
Australia’s 1996 Gun Confiscation Didn’t Work | National Review
University of Melbourne researchers Wang-Sheng Lee and Sandy Suardi concluded their 2008 report on the matter with the statement, “There is little evidence to suggest that [the Australian mandatory gun-buyback program] had any significant effects on firearm homicides.”
“Although gun buybacks appear to be a logical and sensible policy that helps to placate the public’s fears,” the reported continued, “the evidence so far suggests that in the Australian context, the high expenditure incurred to fund the 1996 gun buyback has not translated into any tangible reductions in terms of firearm deaths.”
A 2007 report, “Gun Laws and Sudden Death: Did the Australian Firearms Legislation of 1996 Make a Difference?” by Jeanine Baker and Samara McPhedran similarly concluded that the buyback program did not have a significant long-term effect on the Australian homicide rate.
The Australian gun-homicide rate had already been quite low and had been steadily falling in the 15 years prior to the Port Arthur massacre. And while the mandatory buyback program did appear to reduce the rate of accidental firearm deaths, Baker and McPhedran found that “the gun buy-back and restrictive legislative changes had no influence on firearm homicide in Australia.”
=======
2007 report..
http://c3.nrostatic.com/sites/default/files/Baker and McPhedran 2007.pdf
Conclusions Examination of the long-term trends indicated that the only category of sudden death that may have been influenced by the introduction of the NFA was firearm suicide
------
However, this effect must be considered in light of the findings for suicide (non-firearm). Homicide patterns (firearm and non-firearm) were not influenced by the NFA, the conclusion being that the gun buy-back and restrictive legislative changes had no influence on firearm homicide in Australia. The introduction of the NFA appeared to have a negative effect on accidental firearm death. However, over the time period investigated, there was a relatively small number of accidental deaths per annum, with substantial variability. Any conclusions regarding the effect of the NFA on accidental firearm death should be approached with caution
=========
2008 report...
http://c8.nrostatic.com/sites/default/files/Lee and Suardi 2008.pdf
In this paper, we re-analyze the same data on firearm deaths used in previous research, using tests for unknown structural breaks as a means to identifying impacts of the NFA. The results of these tests suggest that the NFA did not have any large effects on reducing firearm homicide or suicide rates.
-------
6. Conclusion
This paper takes a closer look at the effects of the National Firearms Agreement on gun deaths. Using a battery of structural break tests, there is little evidence to suggest that it had any significant effects on firearm homicides and suicides. In addition, there also does not appear to be any substitution effects – that reduced access to firearms may have led those bent on committing homicide or suicide to use alternative methods.
Australia’s Gun 'Buyback' Created a Violent Firearms Black Market. Why Should the U.S. Do the Same?
Just days ago, Australia's Peter Dutton, Minister for Immigration and Border Protection, and Michael Keenan, Minister for Justice, held a joint press conference to announce "We don't tolerate gun smuggling in Australia and we know Outlaw Motorcycle Gangs are engaged in it. We have been keen to send the strongest possible message from Canberra that we're not going to tolerate people smuggling in guns or smuggling in gun parts. You'd appreciate that even one smuggled gun can do an enormous amount of damage."
When politicians announce that they don't tolerate something, it's a fair bet that the something is completely out of hand.
"Police admit they cannot eradicate a black market that is peddling illegal guns to criminals," the Adelaide Advertiser concededa few years ago. "Motorcycle gang members and convicted criminals barred from buying guns in South Australia have no difficulty obtaining illegal firearms - including fully automatic weapons."
More recently, the country's The New Daily gained access to "previously unpublished data for firearms offences" and reporteda surge in crime "including a massive 83 per cent increase in firearms offences in NSW between 2005/06 and 2014/15, and an even bigger jump in Victoria over the same period."
"Australians may be more at risk from gun crime than ever before with the country's underground market for firearms ballooning in the past decade," the report added. "[T]he national ban on semi-automatic weapons following the Port Arthur massacre had spawned criminal demand for handguns."
Much as the Mafia and other organized criminal outfits rose to power, wealth, and prominence by supplying illegal liquor during Prohibition in the United States, outlaw motorcycle gangs in Australia appear to be building international connections and making money by supplying guns to willing buyers.
Lol, 15 shootings? In 22 years? We have more than that every day!Dude, wake up. 7 people is the worst shooting Australia has had in 22 years, it isn't even the worst one we've had this month!Everybody but rwnj NRA cultists knows that gun control doesn't mean 0 shootings, it means less shootings.
Except it isn't working that way in Britain or Australia, doofus. In both countries gun crime is going up, not down, meanwhile, in the United States....gun crime, gun murder and violent crime is going down, while more Americans are owning and actually carrying guns.....
Your entire point is wrong......gun control in Britain? More gun crime. Gun control in Australia? More gun crime.
More people carrying guns in the U.S.? Gun murder down, gun crime down, violent crime down.
They banned and confiscated guns....they are constantly used to say that their gun control laws work, and that is a lie. They have had about 15 public shootings since the gun ban.....and their gun crime rate is going up, while ours is going down.
The truth is the truth.
Could you be a little more dishonest?
What you willfully fail to understand is that Australia didn't have a lot of gun crime before they banned and confiscated guns, and they didn't have many public shootings before they banned and confiscated guns.....now, after they banned and confiscated guns, they still have public shootings and their gun crime rate is going up...
Meanwhile, we have more Americans who now own and carry guns and our gun crime rate, our gun murder rate and our violent crime rate has gone down, not up.....showing that your beliefs about guns are completely wrong...
We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 17 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2017...guess what happened...
-- gun murder down 49%
--gun crime down 75%
--violent crime down 72%
Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware
Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.
And Australia?
Australia’s 1996 Gun Confiscation Didn’t Work | National Review
University of Melbourne researchers Wang-Sheng Lee and Sandy Suardi concluded their 2008 report on the matter with the statement, “There is little evidence to suggest that [the Australian mandatory gun-buyback program] had any significant effects on firearm homicides.”
“Although gun buybacks appear to be a logical and sensible policy that helps to placate the public’s fears,” the reported continued, “the evidence so far suggests that in the Australian context, the high expenditure incurred to fund the 1996 gun buyback has not translated into any tangible reductions in terms of firearm deaths.”
A 2007 report, “Gun Laws and Sudden Death: Did the Australian Firearms Legislation of 1996 Make a Difference?” by Jeanine Baker and Samara McPhedran similarly concluded that the buyback program did not have a significant long-term effect on the Australian homicide rate.
The Australian gun-homicide rate had already been quite low and had been steadily falling in the 15 years prior to the Port Arthur massacre. And while the mandatory buyback program did appear to reduce the rate of accidental firearm deaths, Baker and McPhedran found that “the gun buy-back and restrictive legislative changes had no influence on firearm homicide in Australia.”
=======
2007 report..
http://c3.nrostatic.com/sites/default/files/Baker and McPhedran 2007.pdf
Conclusions Examination of the long-term trends indicated that the only category of sudden death that may have been influenced by the introduction of the NFA was firearm suicide
------
However, this effect must be considered in light of the findings for suicide (non-firearm). Homicide patterns (firearm and non-firearm) were not influenced by the NFA, the conclusion being that the gun buy-back and restrictive legislative changes had no influence on firearm homicide in Australia. The introduction of the NFA appeared to have a negative effect on accidental firearm death. However, over the time period investigated, there was a relatively small number of accidental deaths per annum, with substantial variability. Any conclusions regarding the effect of the NFA on accidental firearm death should be approached with caution
=========
2008 report...
http://c8.nrostatic.com/sites/default/files/Lee and Suardi 2008.pdf
In this paper, we re-analyze the same data on firearm deaths used in previous research, using tests for unknown structural breaks as a means to identifying impacts of the NFA. The results of these tests suggest that the NFA did not have any large effects on reducing firearm homicide or suicide rates.
-------
6. Conclusion
This paper takes a closer look at the effects of the National Firearms Agreement on gun deaths. Using a battery of structural break tests, there is little evidence to suggest that it had any significant effects on firearm homicides and suicides. In addition, there also does not appear to be any substitution effects – that reduced access to firearms may have led those bent on committing homicide or suicide to use alternative methods.
Australia’s Gun 'Buyback' Created a Violent Firearms Black Market. Why Should the U.S. Do the Same?
Just days ago, Australia's Peter Dutton, Minister for Immigration and Border Protection, and Michael Keenan, Minister for Justice, held a joint press conference to announce "We don't tolerate gun smuggling in Australia and we know Outlaw Motorcycle Gangs are engaged in it. We have been keen to send the strongest possible message from Canberra that we're not going to tolerate people smuggling in guns or smuggling in gun parts. You'd appreciate that even one smuggled gun can do an enormous amount of damage."
When politicians announce that they don't tolerate something, it's a fair bet that the something is completely out of hand.
"Police admit they cannot eradicate a black market that is peddling illegal guns to criminals," the Adelaide Advertiser concededa few years ago. "Motorcycle gang members and convicted criminals barred from buying guns in South Australia have no difficulty obtaining illegal firearms - including fully automatic weapons."
More recently, the country's The New Daily gained access to "previously unpublished data for firearms offences" and reporteda surge in crime "including a massive 83 per cent increase in firearms offences in NSW between 2005/06 and 2014/15, and an even bigger jump in Victoria over the same period."
"Australians may be more at risk from gun crime than ever before with the country's underground market for firearms ballooning in the past decade," the report added. "[T]he national ban on semi-automatic weapons following the Port Arthur massacre had spawned criminal demand for handguns."
Much as the Mafia and other organized criminal outfits rose to power, wealth, and prominence by supplying illegal liquor during Prohibition in the United States, outlaw motorcycle gangs in Australia appear to be building international connections and making money by supplying guns to willing buyers.
Using cites from ultra right wing sources (yes, I did research the sites and their leaders) doesn't make you look real good. They are using the same old bag of lies over and over again and you are just reposting them over and over again.
Australia isn't the US. 15 gun related murders in 22 years and only one multiple (family shooting) in 22 years is quite acceptable for almost any country. Hell, that's actually acceptable for most medium Cities in the US and many Rural areas as well. And that is for an entire country. If you are trying to strike up some alarm here, the only alarm we are getting is how desperate you are. If that is the case then you have accomplished your mission. You can now admit victory and go home.
Yes. You consider the deaths of other people's school kids an acceptable price to pay for your easy access to handguns and military style semi automatics. Too selfish.
It's funny when someone who consistently posts fake information says things like "the truth is the thruth".Dude, reposting the same nonsense every time this comes up doesn't make it any less nonsensical. You need some new material. You should start by looking for things that are true.Lol, 15 shootings? In 22 years? We have more than that every day!Dude, wake up. 7 people is the worst shooting Australia has had in 22 years, it isn't even the worst one we've had this month!
They banned and confiscated guns....they are constantly used to say that their gun control laws work, and that is a lie. They have had about 15 public shootings since the gun ban.....and their gun crime rate is going up, while ours is going down.
The truth is the truth.
Could you be a little more dishonest?
What you willfully fail to understand is that Australia didn't have a lot of gun crime before they banned and confiscated guns, and they didn't have many public shootings before they banned and confiscated guns.....now, after they banned and confiscated guns, they still have public shootings and their gun crime rate is going up...
Meanwhile, we have more Americans who now own and carry guns and our gun crime rate, our gun murder rate and our violent crime rate has gone down, not up.....showing that your beliefs about guns are completely wrong...
We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 17 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2017...guess what happened...
-- gun murder down 49%
--gun crime down 75%
--violent crime down 72%
Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware
Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.
And Australia?
Australia’s 1996 Gun Confiscation Didn’t Work | National Review
University of Melbourne researchers Wang-Sheng Lee and Sandy Suardi concluded their 2008 report on the matter with the statement, “There is little evidence to suggest that [the Australian mandatory gun-buyback program] had any significant effects on firearm homicides.”
“Although gun buybacks appear to be a logical and sensible policy that helps to placate the public’s fears,” the reported continued, “the evidence so far suggests that in the Australian context, the high expenditure incurred to fund the 1996 gun buyback has not translated into any tangible reductions in terms of firearm deaths.”
A 2007 report, “Gun Laws and Sudden Death: Did the Australian Firearms Legislation of 1996 Make a Difference?” by Jeanine Baker and Samara McPhedran similarly concluded that the buyback program did not have a significant long-term effect on the Australian homicide rate.
The Australian gun-homicide rate had already been quite low and had been steadily falling in the 15 years prior to the Port Arthur massacre. And while the mandatory buyback program did appear to reduce the rate of accidental firearm deaths, Baker and McPhedran found that “the gun buy-back and restrictive legislative changes had no influence on firearm homicide in Australia.”
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2007 report..
http://c3.nrostatic.com/sites/default/files/Baker and McPhedran 2007.pdf
Conclusions Examination of the long-term trends indicated that the only category of sudden death that may have been influenced by the introduction of the NFA was firearm suicide
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However, this effect must be considered in light of the findings for suicide (non-firearm). Homicide patterns (firearm and non-firearm) were not influenced by the NFA, the conclusion being that the gun buy-back and restrictive legislative changes had no influence on firearm homicide in Australia. The introduction of the NFA appeared to have a negative effect on accidental firearm death. However, over the time period investigated, there was a relatively small number of accidental deaths per annum, with substantial variability. Any conclusions regarding the effect of the NFA on accidental firearm death should be approached with caution
=========
2008 report...
http://c8.nrostatic.com/sites/default/files/Lee and Suardi 2008.pdf
In this paper, we re-analyze the same data on firearm deaths used in previous research, using tests for unknown structural breaks as a means to identifying impacts of the NFA. The results of these tests suggest that the NFA did not have any large effects on reducing firearm homicide or suicide rates.
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6. Conclusion
This paper takes a closer look at the effects of the National Firearms Agreement on gun deaths. Using a battery of structural break tests, there is little evidence to suggest that it had any significant effects on firearm homicides and suicides. In addition, there also does not appear to be any substitution effects – that reduced access to firearms may have led those bent on committing homicide or suicide to use alternative methods.
Australia’s Gun 'Buyback' Created a Violent Firearms Black Market. Why Should the U.S. Do the Same?
Just days ago, Australia's Peter Dutton, Minister for Immigration and Border Protection, and Michael Keenan, Minister for Justice, held a joint press conference to announce "We don't tolerate gun smuggling in Australia and we know Outlaw Motorcycle Gangs are engaged in it. We have been keen to send the strongest possible message from Canberra that we're not going to tolerate people smuggling in guns or smuggling in gun parts. You'd appreciate that even one smuggled gun can do an enormous amount of damage."
When politicians announce that they don't tolerate something, it's a fair bet that the something is completely out of hand.
"Police admit they cannot eradicate a black market that is peddling illegal guns to criminals," the Adelaide Advertiser concededa few years ago. "Motorcycle gang members and convicted criminals barred from buying guns in South Australia have no difficulty obtaining illegal firearms - including fully automatic weapons."
More recently, the country's The New Daily gained access to "previously unpublished data for firearms offences" and reporteda surge in crime "including a massive 83 per cent increase in firearms offences in NSW between 2005/06 and 2014/15, and an even bigger jump in Victoria over the same period."
"Australians may be more at risk from gun crime than ever before with the country's underground market for firearms ballooning in the past decade," the report added. "[T]he national ban on semi-automatic weapons following the Port Arthur massacre had spawned criminal demand for handguns."
Much as the Mafia and other organized criminal outfits rose to power, wealth, and prominence by supplying illegal liquor during Prohibition in the United States, outlaw motorcycle gangs in Australia appear to be building international connections and making money by supplying guns to willing buyers.
The truth is the truth, Australian gun control did not stop public shootings and it didn't lower the gun crime rate....now, the gun crime rate there is going up, as they bring in more and more 3rd world drug gangs.....
It's funny when someone who consistently posts fake information says things like "the truth is the thruth".Dude, reposting the same nonsense every time this comes up doesn't make it any less nonsensical. You need some new material. You should start by looking for things that are true.Lol, 15 shootings? In 22 years? We have more than that every day!They banned and confiscated guns....they are constantly used to say that their gun control laws work, and that is a lie. They have had about 15 public shootings since the gun ban.....and their gun crime rate is going up, while ours is going down.
The truth is the truth.
Could you be a little more dishonest?
What you willfully fail to understand is that Australia didn't have a lot of gun crime before they banned and confiscated guns, and they didn't have many public shootings before they banned and confiscated guns.....now, after they banned and confiscated guns, they still have public shootings and their gun crime rate is going up...
Meanwhile, we have more Americans who now own and carry guns and our gun crime rate, our gun murder rate and our violent crime rate has gone down, not up.....showing that your beliefs about guns are completely wrong...
We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 17 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2017...guess what happened...
-- gun murder down 49%
--gun crime down 75%
--violent crime down 72%
Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware
Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.
And Australia?
Australia’s 1996 Gun Confiscation Didn’t Work | National Review
University of Melbourne researchers Wang-Sheng Lee and Sandy Suardi concluded their 2008 report on the matter with the statement, “There is little evidence to suggest that [the Australian mandatory gun-buyback program] had any significant effects on firearm homicides.”
“Although gun buybacks appear to be a logical and sensible policy that helps to placate the public’s fears,” the reported continued, “the evidence so far suggests that in the Australian context, the high expenditure incurred to fund the 1996 gun buyback has not translated into any tangible reductions in terms of firearm deaths.”
A 2007 report, “Gun Laws and Sudden Death: Did the Australian Firearms Legislation of 1996 Make a Difference?” by Jeanine Baker and Samara McPhedran similarly concluded that the buyback program did not have a significant long-term effect on the Australian homicide rate.
The Australian gun-homicide rate had already been quite low and had been steadily falling in the 15 years prior to the Port Arthur massacre. And while the mandatory buyback program did appear to reduce the rate of accidental firearm deaths, Baker and McPhedran found that “the gun buy-back and restrictive legislative changes had no influence on firearm homicide in Australia.”
=======
2007 report..
http://c3.nrostatic.com/sites/default/files/Baker and McPhedran 2007.pdf
Conclusions Examination of the long-term trends indicated that the only category of sudden death that may have been influenced by the introduction of the NFA was firearm suicide
------
However, this effect must be considered in light of the findings for suicide (non-firearm). Homicide patterns (firearm and non-firearm) were not influenced by the NFA, the conclusion being that the gun buy-back and restrictive legislative changes had no influence on firearm homicide in Australia. The introduction of the NFA appeared to have a negative effect on accidental firearm death. However, over the time period investigated, there was a relatively small number of accidental deaths per annum, with substantial variability. Any conclusions regarding the effect of the NFA on accidental firearm death should be approached with caution
=========
2008 report...
http://c8.nrostatic.com/sites/default/files/Lee and Suardi 2008.pdf
In this paper, we re-analyze the same data on firearm deaths used in previous research, using tests for unknown structural breaks as a means to identifying impacts of the NFA. The results of these tests suggest that the NFA did not have any large effects on reducing firearm homicide or suicide rates.
-------
6. Conclusion
This paper takes a closer look at the effects of the National Firearms Agreement on gun deaths. Using a battery of structural break tests, there is little evidence to suggest that it had any significant effects on firearm homicides and suicides. In addition, there also does not appear to be any substitution effects – that reduced access to firearms may have led those bent on committing homicide or suicide to use alternative methods.
Australia’s Gun 'Buyback' Created a Violent Firearms Black Market. Why Should the U.S. Do the Same?
Just days ago, Australia's Peter Dutton, Minister for Immigration and Border Protection, and Michael Keenan, Minister for Justice, held a joint press conference to announce "We don't tolerate gun smuggling in Australia and we know Outlaw Motorcycle Gangs are engaged in it. We have been keen to send the strongest possible message from Canberra that we're not going to tolerate people smuggling in guns or smuggling in gun parts. You'd appreciate that even one smuggled gun can do an enormous amount of damage."
When politicians announce that they don't tolerate something, it's a fair bet that the something is completely out of hand.
"Police admit they cannot eradicate a black market that is peddling illegal guns to criminals," the Adelaide Advertiser concededa few years ago. "Motorcycle gang members and convicted criminals barred from buying guns in South Australia have no difficulty obtaining illegal firearms - including fully automatic weapons."
More recently, the country's The New Daily gained access to "previously unpublished data for firearms offences" and reporteda surge in crime "including a massive 83 per cent increase in firearms offences in NSW between 2005/06 and 2014/15, and an even bigger jump in Victoria over the same period."
"Australians may be more at risk from gun crime than ever before with the country's underground market for firearms ballooning in the past decade," the report added. "[T]he national ban on semi-automatic weapons following the Port Arthur massacre had spawned criminal demand for handguns."
Much as the Mafia and other organized criminal outfits rose to power, wealth, and prominence by supplying illegal liquor during Prohibition in the United States, outlaw motorcycle gangs in Australia appear to be building international connections and making money by supplying guns to willing buyers.
The truth is the truth, Australian gun control did not stop public shootings and it didn't lower the gun crime rate....now, the gun crime rate there is going up, as they bring in more and more 3rd world drug gangs.....
It's funny when someone who consistently posts fake information says things like "the truth is the thruth".Dude, reposting the same nonsense every time this comes up doesn't make it any less nonsensical. You need some new material. You should start by looking for things that are true.Lol, 15 shootings? In 22 years? We have more than that every day!
Could you be a little more dishonest?
What you willfully fail to understand is that Australia didn't have a lot of gun crime before they banned and confiscated guns, and they didn't have many public shootings before they banned and confiscated guns.....now, after they banned and confiscated guns, they still have public shootings and their gun crime rate is going up...
Meanwhile, we have more Americans who now own and carry guns and our gun crime rate, our gun murder rate and our violent crime rate has gone down, not up.....showing that your beliefs about guns are completely wrong...
We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 17 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2017...guess what happened...
-- gun murder down 49%
--gun crime down 75%
--violent crime down 72%
Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware
Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.
And Australia?
Australia’s 1996 Gun Confiscation Didn’t Work | National Review
University of Melbourne researchers Wang-Sheng Lee and Sandy Suardi concluded their 2008 report on the matter with the statement, “There is little evidence to suggest that [the Australian mandatory gun-buyback program] had any significant effects on firearm homicides.”
“Although gun buybacks appear to be a logical and sensible policy that helps to placate the public’s fears,” the reported continued, “the evidence so far suggests that in the Australian context, the high expenditure incurred to fund the 1996 gun buyback has not translated into any tangible reductions in terms of firearm deaths.”
A 2007 report, “Gun Laws and Sudden Death: Did the Australian Firearms Legislation of 1996 Make a Difference?” by Jeanine Baker and Samara McPhedran similarly concluded that the buyback program did not have a significant long-term effect on the Australian homicide rate.
The Australian gun-homicide rate had already been quite low and had been steadily falling in the 15 years prior to the Port Arthur massacre. And while the mandatory buyback program did appear to reduce the rate of accidental firearm deaths, Baker and McPhedran found that “the gun buy-back and restrictive legislative changes had no influence on firearm homicide in Australia.”
=======
2007 report..
http://c3.nrostatic.com/sites/default/files/Baker and McPhedran 2007.pdf
Conclusions Examination of the long-term trends indicated that the only category of sudden death that may have been influenced by the introduction of the NFA was firearm suicide
------
However, this effect must be considered in light of the findings for suicide (non-firearm). Homicide patterns (firearm and non-firearm) were not influenced by the NFA, the conclusion being that the gun buy-back and restrictive legislative changes had no influence on firearm homicide in Australia. The introduction of the NFA appeared to have a negative effect on accidental firearm death. However, over the time period investigated, there was a relatively small number of accidental deaths per annum, with substantial variability. Any conclusions regarding the effect of the NFA on accidental firearm death should be approached with caution
=========
2008 report...
http://c8.nrostatic.com/sites/default/files/Lee and Suardi 2008.pdf
In this paper, we re-analyze the same data on firearm deaths used in previous research, using tests for unknown structural breaks as a means to identifying impacts of the NFA. The results of these tests suggest that the NFA did not have any large effects on reducing firearm homicide or suicide rates.
-------
6. Conclusion
This paper takes a closer look at the effects of the National Firearms Agreement on gun deaths. Using a battery of structural break tests, there is little evidence to suggest that it had any significant effects on firearm homicides and suicides. In addition, there also does not appear to be any substitution effects – that reduced access to firearms may have led those bent on committing homicide or suicide to use alternative methods.
Australia’s Gun 'Buyback' Created a Violent Firearms Black Market. Why Should the U.S. Do the Same?
Just days ago, Australia's Peter Dutton, Minister for Immigration and Border Protection, and Michael Keenan, Minister for Justice, held a joint press conference to announce "We don't tolerate gun smuggling in Australia and we know Outlaw Motorcycle Gangs are engaged in it. We have been keen to send the strongest possible message from Canberra that we're not going to tolerate people smuggling in guns or smuggling in gun parts. You'd appreciate that even one smuggled gun can do an enormous amount of damage."
When politicians announce that they don't tolerate something, it's a fair bet that the something is completely out of hand.
"Police admit they cannot eradicate a black market that is peddling illegal guns to criminals," the Adelaide Advertiser concededa few years ago. "Motorcycle gang members and convicted criminals barred from buying guns in South Australia have no difficulty obtaining illegal firearms - including fully automatic weapons."
More recently, the country's The New Daily gained access to "previously unpublished data for firearms offences" and reporteda surge in crime "including a massive 83 per cent increase in firearms offences in NSW between 2005/06 and 2014/15, and an even bigger jump in Victoria over the same period."
"Australians may be more at risk from gun crime than ever before with the country's underground market for firearms ballooning in the past decade," the report added. "[T]he national ban on semi-automatic weapons following the Port Arthur massacre had spawned criminal demand for handguns."
Much as the Mafia and other organized criminal outfits rose to power, wealth, and prominence by supplying illegal liquor during Prohibition in the United States, outlaw motorcycle gangs in Australia appear to be building international connections and making money by supplying guns to willing buyers.
The truth is the truth, Australian gun control did not stop public shootings and it didn't lower the gun crime rate....now, the gun crime rate there is going up, as they bring in more and more 3rd world drug gangs.....
Yes....you sitting there trying to hide from the truth saying that something isn't the truth is pretty funny.
By that logic, all laws fail to stop crime, we should then not have laws?You can ban assault weapons but an idiot killing people and burning their college is still an idiot
‘It’s just horrifying’: Seven killed in Australia’s deadliest mass shooting in 22 years
An Australian community is reeling from the deadliest mass shooting the country has seen in more than 20 years, after seven people, including four children, were discovered dead on a rural property near Margaret River.
Authorities in Western Australia responded early Friday morning to a home in Osmington, not far from Perth, where the four children and three adults were found dead from gunshot wounds, according to local news reports.
The shooting has rattled Australia, where lawmakers passed some of the world's most restrictive gun-control laws after a 1996 massacre in Tasmania.
“ 'Shocking' is about the only word,” resident Felicity Haynes told 9 News Australia. “I just feel sick to the stomach. That couldn't happen here.”
[‘AMERICAN NIGHTMARE’: Australians react to fatal police shooting in ‘very risky’ United States]
Western Australia police commissioner Chris Dawson said at a news conference that officers responded to the scene about 5:15 a.m. and discovered the seven bodies. Two adults were outside, and five other victims were inside the home in Osmington, a small town nestled in Western Australia's southwest corner.
By that logic, all laws fail to stop crime, we should then not have laws?You can ban assault weapons but an idiot killing people and burning their college is still an idiot
‘It’s just horrifying’: Seven killed in Australia’s deadliest mass shooting in 22 years
An Australian community is reeling from the deadliest mass shooting the country has seen in more than 20 years, after seven people, including four children, were discovered dead on a rural property near Margaret River.
Authorities in Western Australia responded early Friday morning to a home in Osmington, not far from Perth, where the four children and three adults were found dead from gunshot wounds, according to local news reports.
The shooting has rattled Australia, where lawmakers passed some of the world's most restrictive gun-control laws after a 1996 massacre in Tasmania.
“ 'Shocking' is about the only word,” resident Felicity Haynes told 9 News Australia. “I just feel sick to the stomach. That couldn't happen here.”
[‘AMERICAN NIGHTMARE’: Australians react to fatal police shooting in ‘very risky’ United States]
Western Australia police commissioner Chris Dawson said at a news conference that officers responded to the scene about 5:15 a.m. and discovered the seven bodies. Two adults were outside, and five other victims were inside the home in Osmington, a small town nestled in Western Australia's southwest corner.
AR15s are just sporting rifles...Ah, the "liberals believe it will stop all shootings" straw man. I believe we've already discussed this.Straw man alert! Everybody but rwnj NRA cultists knows that gun control doesn't mean 0 shootings, it means less shootings.
You idjits need to memorise some new talking points.
Everybody but rwnj NRA cultists knows that gun control doesn't mean 0 shootings, it means less shootings.
Except it isn't working that way in Britain or Australia, doofus. In both countries gun crime is going up, not down, meanwhile, in the United States....gun crime, gun murder and violent crime is going down, while more Americans are owning and actually carrying guns.....
Your entire point is wrong......gun control in Britain? More gun crime. Gun control in Australia? More gun crime.
More people carrying guns in the U.S.? Gun murder down, gun crime down, violent crime down.
In your mind only. MOST people in the US do NOT carry guns. You may dream about it but most don't carry guns at all. In fact, most homes don't even have guns at all. The bulk of the guns are owned by only a small percentage of the people who own multiple guns. You use the total and spread it out over the entire population when it's only a small percentage that actually owns the guns.
Australia's gun murder just went up. 7 murders in 22 years and that's it. Rather than ding them for those 7 deaths, how about taking your hat off to them for the 22 years where there were Zero Gun Murders. And then wish them another 22 years of no gun murders.
they haven't had 0 gun murders and they have had about 15 public shootings since they banned and confiscated guns....and their gun crime rate is going up, not down....
Wow, 15 public shootings in 22 years. Why, that's a friggin crime wave. Chicago can have that many in a week. If any large US City only got 15 in one year it would be cause for a parade except some idiot would be waiting along the way with an AR-15 to go for a new record.
Criminals don’t obey laws... jack weed15 shootings? We get that on a weekendDude, wake up. 7 people is the worst shooting Australia has had in 22 years, it isn't even the worst one we've had this month!Straw man alert! Everybody but rwnj NRA cultists knows that gun control doesn't mean 0 shootings, it means less shootings.According to you shit stains gun control means zero gun violence, Fortunately anti-gun nutters have no credibility...
You idjits need to memorise some new talking points.
Everybody but rwnj NRA cultists knows that gun control doesn't mean 0 shootings, it means less shootings.
Except it isn't working that way in Britain or Australia, doofus. In both countries gun crime is going up, not down, meanwhile, in the United States....gun crime, gun murder and violent crime is going down, while more Americans are owning and actually carrying guns.....
Your entire point is wrong......gun control in Britain? More gun crime. Gun control in Australia? More gun crime.
More people carrying guns in the U.S.? Gun murder down, gun crime down, violent crime down.
They banned and confiscated guns....they are constantly used to say that their gun control laws work, and that is a lie. They have had about 15 public shootings since the gun ban.....and their gun crime rate is going up, while ours is going down.
The truth is the truth.
The gun ban kept them safe
No way to stop jaywalkers, speeders or murders , either. Let's all just give up and shrug it off. What can you do...By that logic, all laws fail to stop crime, we should then not have laws?You can ban assault weapons but an idiot killing people and burning their college is still an idiot
‘It’s just horrifying’: Seven killed in Australia’s deadliest mass shooting in 22 years
An Australian community is reeling from the deadliest mass shooting the country has seen in more than 20 years, after seven people, including four children, were discovered dead on a rural property near Margaret River.
Authorities in Western Australia responded early Friday morning to a home in Osmington, not far from Perth, where the four children and three adults were found dead from gunshot wounds, according to local news reports.
The shooting has rattled Australia, where lawmakers passed some of the world's most restrictive gun-control laws after a 1996 massacre in Tasmania.
“ 'Shocking' is about the only word,” resident Felicity Haynes told 9 News Australia. “I just feel sick to the stomach. That couldn't happen here.”
[‘AMERICAN NIGHTMARE’: Australians react to fatal police shooting in ‘very risky’ United States]
Western Australia police commissioner Chris Dawson said at a news conference that officers responded to the scene about 5:15 a.m. and discovered the seven bodies. Two adults were outside, and five other victims were inside the home in Osmington, a small town nestled in Western Australia's southwest corner.
There is no known way to ban guns from criminals.
Get real
AR15s are just sporting rifles...Ah, the "liberals believe it will stop all shootings" straw man. I believe we've already discussed this.Everybody but rwnj NRA cultists knows that gun control doesn't mean 0 shootings, it means less shootings.
Except it isn't working that way in Britain or Australia, doofus. In both countries gun crime is going up, not down, meanwhile, in the United States....gun crime, gun murder and violent crime is going down, while more Americans are owning and actually carrying guns.....
Your entire point is wrong......gun control in Britain? More gun crime. Gun control in Australia? More gun crime.
More people carrying guns in the U.S.? Gun murder down, gun crime down, violent crime down.
In your mind only. MOST people in the US do NOT carry guns. You may dream about it but most don't carry guns at all. In fact, most homes don't even have guns at all. The bulk of the guns are owned by only a small percentage of the people who own multiple guns. You use the total and spread it out over the entire population when it's only a small percentage that actually owns the guns.
Australia's gun murder just went up. 7 murders in 22 years and that's it. Rather than ding them for those 7 deaths, how about taking your hat off to them for the 22 years where there were Zero Gun Murders. And then wish them another 22 years of no gun murders.
they haven't had 0 gun murders and they have had about 15 public shootings since they banned and confiscated guns....and their gun crime rate is going up, not down....
Wow, 15 public shootings in 22 years. Why, that's a friggin crime wave. Chicago can have that many in a week. If any large US City only got 15 in one year it would be cause for a parade except some idiot would be waiting along the way with an AR-15 to go for a new record.
