Many churches do not qualify to be tax exempt, this is why.

Our diocese has more or less declared war on this administration - Religious Liberty | Diocese of Arlington

And it's a wonderful thing.

The whole Catholic Church in the US has... as have many other Churches who are joining with us. The campaign to stop this Administration from usurping our religious liberty continues.

I know they are.

It's very well organized in our diocese.

All the homilies today are discussing how this Admin is trashing the first amendment.

What will they trash next if they're not stopped in the election booth.
 
Threads like this one simply prove the ignorance of those who originate them.

There are thousands of non-profits devoted solely to advocating public policy.

They all qualify for tax exempt status.
 
Our diocese has more or less declared war on this administration - Religious Liberty | Diocese of Arlington

And it's a wonderful thing.

It will be a wonderful thing when a) their tax exempt status is taken away, and b) their declaration of war is shown to be totally ineffectual.

:clap2::clap2::clap2:

Our tax exempt status will remain. And, we will fight anyone - including this government - who tries to take away our First Amendment Right. That's the American way.
 
http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/p1828.pdf

scroll to page 5 and read the 5 qualifications.

Churches and religious organizations, like many other
charitable organizations, qualify for exemption from
federal income tax under IRC section 501(c)(3) and
are generally eligible to receive tax-deductible contributions.
To qualify for tax-exempt status, such an
organization must meet the following requirements
(covered in greater detail throughout this publication):
■ the organization must be organized and operated
exclusively for religious, educational, scientific, or other
charitable purposes,
■ net earnings may not inure to the benefit of any
private individual or shareholder,
■ no substantial part of its activity may be attempting
to influence legislation,
■ the organization may not intervene in political
campaigns, and
■ the organization’s purposes and activities may not
be illegal or violate fundamental public policy.


Since about half or more get involved in politics, this immediately breaks the requirements to gain tax exemption status and therefore should be taxed immediately.

Only because the Federal Government refuses to Honor the 1st Amendment. In Matters of Conscience, Religious Institutions have every Right to Voice and Practice their Faith. You are the one confusing Government with God. There are Powers above Government.
 
http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/p1828.pdf

scroll to page 5 and read the 5 qualifications.


Since about half or more get involved in politics, this immediately breaks the requirements to gain tax exemption status and therefore should be taxed immediately.

Take tax- exempt status from them all...no problem...then they can dabble in politics all they want.


The law is clear...they can "dabble" in politics now...on ANY issue.

What they cannot do is endorse/campaign for any CANDIDATE.

The law is a lot less clear than you think it is.
 
Since about half or more get involved in politics, this immediately breaks the requirements to gain tax exemption status and therefore should be taxed immediately.

Nitroz wants to prove to everyone that he has shit for brains.

I've been to countless churches and have never detected this involvement in politics.
 
The law is clear...they can "dabble" in politics now...on ANY issue.

What they cannot do is endorse/campaign for any CANDIDATE.

The law is a lot less clear than you think it is.


Read it for yourself, QW.

http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-tege/eotopici02.pdf

Three years ago a pastor of a small fundamentalist church in California could say that Romney is not a Christian because he believes Jesus and Satan are brothers and no one would have blinked. If he says the same thing today the IRS could come in and claim he is electioneering because he is advocating for Obama and tax the church. The law did not change, the church did not change, and Romney didn't change, but it is potentially a more costly statement now than it was 3 years ago. Or it might not, all depending on how the IRS chooses to interpret his words. That is not a clear law, you can pretend otherwise all day long, you won't fool anyone.
 
The law is a lot less clear than you think it is.


Read it for yourself, QW.

http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-tege/eotopici02.pdf

Three years ago a pastor of a small fundamentalist church in California could say that Romney is not a Christian because he believes Jesus and Satan are brothers and no one would have blinked. If he says the same thing today the IRS could come in and claim he is electioneering because he is advocating for Obama and tax the church. The law did not change, the church did not change, and Romney didn't change, but it is potentially a more costly statement now than it was 3 years ago. Or it might not, all depending on how the IRS chooses to interpret his words. That is not a clear law, you can pretend otherwise all day long, you won't fool anyone.

Three years ago, Romney wasn't a candidate...mystery solved...totally consistent with the law.

Non profits can speak on issues...not candidates.

That pastor could still speak about Mormonism...just not Romney.
 

Three years ago a pastor of a small fundamentalist church in California could say that Romney is not a Christian because he believes Jesus and Satan are brothers and no one would have blinked. If he says the same thing today the IRS could come in and claim he is electioneering because he is advocating for Obama and tax the church. The law did not change, the church did not change, and Romney didn't change, but it is potentially a more costly statement now than it was 3 years ago. Or it might not, all depending on how the IRS chooses to interpret his words. That is not a clear law, you can pretend otherwise all day long, you won't fool anyone.

Three years ago, Romney wasn't a candidate...mystery solved...totally consistent with the law.

Non profits can speak on issues...not candidates.

That pastor could still speak about Mormonism...just not Romney.

I guess you missed the part where the IRS may, or may not, choose to declare the church not a church without any real guidelines whatever. You should take the time to read your link sometime.
 
The law is a lot less clear than you think it is.


Read it for yourself, QW.

http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-tege/eotopici02.pdf

Three years ago a pastor of a small fundamentalist church in California could say that Romney is not a Christian because he believes Jesus and Satan are brothers and no one would have blinked. If he says the same thing today the IRS could come in and claim he is electioneering because he is advocating for Obama and tax the church. The law did not change, the church did not change, and Romney didn't change, but it is potentially a more costly statement now than it was 3 years ago. Or it might not, all depending on how the IRS chooses to interpret his words. That is not a clear law, you can pretend otherwise all day long, you won't fool anyone.

That's why it would be better to eliminate their tax-exempt status.....all of them.
 
http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/p1828.pdf

scroll to page 5 and read the 5 qualifications.

Churches and religious organizations, like many other
charitable organizations, qualify for exemption from
federal income tax under IRC section 501(c)(3) and
are generally eligible to receive tax-deductible contributions.
To qualify for tax-exempt status, such an
organization must meet the following requirements
(covered in greater detail throughout this publication):
■ the organization must be organized and operated
exclusively for religious, educational, scientific, or other
charitable purposes,
■ net earnings may not inure to the benefit of any
private individual or shareholder,
■ no substantial part of its activity may be attempting
to influence legislation,
■ the organization may not intervene in political
campaigns, and
■ the organization’s purposes and activities may not
be illegal or violate fundamental public policy.


Since about half or more get involved in politics, this immediately breaks the requirements to gain tax exemption status and therefore should be taxed immediately.

Take tax- exempt status from them all...no problem...then they can dabble in politics all they want.

exactly
 
You're the one who assumed I was speaking of the Vatican.

I said all churches and I meant all churches. If you don't think religion is big business then you need to open your eyes.

Taxes target profits. It is somewhat difficult to tax an organization that has none....


Not saying that no churches have profit but the vast majority would still end up as tax free.

So called nonprofits also are exempt from sales taxes, property taxes etc.

They should not be.

I can agree on that. To implement something like this though we would really have to revamp the entire tax code though. Simplicity is really what the tax code should be aiming for.
 
Three years ago a pastor of a small fundamentalist church in California could say that Romney is not a Christian because he believes Jesus and Satan are brothers and no one would have blinked. If he says the same thing today the IRS could come in and claim he is electioneering because he is advocating for Obama and tax the church. The law did not change, the church did not change, and Romney didn't change, but it is potentially a more costly statement now than it was 3 years ago. Or it might not, all depending on how the IRS chooses to interpret his words. That is not a clear law, you can pretend otherwise all day long, you won't fool anyone.

Three years ago, Romney wasn't a candidate...mystery solved...totally consistent with the law.

Non profits can speak on issues...not candidates.

That pastor could still speak about Mormonism...just not Romney.

I guess you missed the part where the IRS may, or may not, choose to declare the church not a church without any real guidelines whatever. You should take the time to read your link sometime.


I read the link.

Here is what it says:

No situation better illustrates the principle that all the facts and circumstances must be considered than the problem of when issue advocacy becomes participation or intervention in a political campaign. On the one hand, the Service [IRS] is not going to tell IRC 501(c)(3) organizations that they cannot talk about issues of morality or of social or economic problems at particular times of the year, simply because there is a campaign occurring.

<SNIP>

Basically, a finding of campaign intervention in an issue advertisement requires more than just a positive or negative correspondence between an organization's position and a candidate's position. What is required is that there must be some reasonably overt indication in the communication to the reader, viewer, or listener that the organization supports or opposes a particular candidate (or slate of candidates) in an election; rather than being a message restricted to an issue.
 

Three years ago a pastor of a small fundamentalist church in California could say that Romney is not a Christian because he believes Jesus and Satan are brothers and no one would have blinked. If he says the same thing today the IRS could come in and claim he is electioneering because he is advocating for Obama and tax the church. The law did not change, the church did not change, and Romney didn't change, but it is potentially a more costly statement now than it was 3 years ago. Or it might not, all depending on how the IRS chooses to interpret his words. That is not a clear law, you can pretend otherwise all day long, you won't fool anyone.

That's why it would be better to eliminate their tax-exempt status.....all of them.

Wrong.
 
Three years ago, Romney wasn't a candidate...mystery solved...totally consistent with the law.

Non profits can speak on issues...not candidates.

That pastor could still speak about Mormonism...just not Romney.

I guess you missed the part where the IRS may, or may not, choose to declare the church not a church without any real guidelines whatever. You should take the time to read your link sometime.


I read the link.

Here is what it says:

No situation better illustrates the principle that all the facts and circumstances must be considered than the problem of when issue advocacy becomes participation or intervention in a political campaign. On the one hand, the Service [IRS] is not going to tell IRC 501(c)(3) organizations that they cannot talk about issues of morality or of social or economic problems at particular times of the year, simply because there is a campaign occurring.

<SNIP>

Basically, a finding of campaign intervention in an issue advertisement requires more than just a positive or negative correspondence between an organization's position and a candidate's position. What is required is that there must be some reasonably overt indication in the communication to the reader, viewer, or listener that the organization supports or opposes a particular candidate (or slate of candidates) in an election; rather than being a message restricted to an issue.

If he said it for the last 3 years he is not supporting a candidate, but the IRS might not see it that way.
 
Three years ago a pastor of a small fundamentalist church in California could say that Romney is not a Christian because he believes Jesus and Satan are brothers and no one would have blinked. If he says the same thing today the IRS could come in and claim he is electioneering because he is advocating for Obama and tax the church. The law did not change, the church did not change, and Romney didn't change, but it is potentially a more costly statement now than it was 3 years ago. Or it might not, all depending on how the IRS chooses to interpret his words. That is not a clear law, you can pretend otherwise all day long, you won't fool anyone.

That's why it would be better to eliminate their tax-exempt status.....all of them.

Wrong.

Amazing insight...

Care to elaborate on why you do not think so.
 
I guess you missed the part where the IRS may, or may not, choose to declare the church not a church without any real guidelines whatever. You should take the time to read your link sometime.


I read the link.

Here is what it says:

No situation better illustrates the principle that all the facts and circumstances must be considered than the problem of when issue advocacy becomes participation or intervention in a political campaign. On the one hand, the Service [IRS] is not going to tell IRC 501(c)(3) organizations that they cannot talk about issues of morality or of social or economic problems at particular times of the year, simply because there is a campaign occurring.

<SNIP>

Basically, a finding of campaign intervention in an issue advertisement requires more than just a positive or negative correspondence between an organization's position and a candidate's position. What is required is that there must be some reasonably overt indication in the communication to the reader, viewer, or listener that the organization supports or opposes a particular candidate (or slate of candidates) in an election; rather than being a message restricted to an issue.

If he said it for the last 3 years he is not supporting a candidate, but the IRS might not see it that way.


I get that, but as I said before, what has changed is that Romney filed to run for the office of the President of the United States...making him a candidate.

According to the IRS, the prohibition against supporting (or by extension, opposing) a candidate is absolute.

The only wiggle room I see is the language of the precedent cited in the link is specific to "supporting". It would take more research to clarify the amplification that included "opposition".
 

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