"List greatest conservative accomplishments last 20 years": The answer he

[rdean]

If more people are in jail than in any time in our history, thank the liberal legislatures that put them there.

I think liberals are those of the goody two shoes variety, minding everyone else's business but their own. They have no issue creating laws based on their opinion against others. Today's liberal are actually nuclear conservatives, and have become the monster they hate with such passion.

78% control of the House, and over 70% control of the Senate where all of our legislature comes from since WWII. Never mind state or local governments. One giant Democrat monopoly on government by Democrats, but it must be Bush's fault again.

Can someone show me where Democrats opposed Bush besides Terry Schiavo and SCHIPs? It never happened.

Another dumbshit.

Republicans are 90% white. They vote as a block. Democrats are everyone else, including some conservatives. The last two years of the Bush administration the Senate was divided 49 to 49 with two independents. Democrats were able to pass NOT A SINGLE PIECE OF MEANINGFUL LEGISLATION.

If you want to bitch, bitch at those fucking Republicans who call the unemployed "bellyachers" and vote against unemployment benefits, who vote against regulating Wall Street, who vote against safety. who apologized to BP. That's what is wrong with the Republican base. They don't complain about Republican leadership because they know their leaders are worthless turds. They want Democrats to fix things.

 

[Dr Grump]

Sweden, Norway, and Germany are sclerotic Eurosocialist paradises where every economic transaction requires paying a fee and permission from some bureaucrat. Virtually every major Swedish company was founded prior to 1918. Virtually every party is premised on dishing out benefits to even middle class citizens, creating crushing tax burdens and welfare state mentalities.
Seeing those places as superior to the U.S. is the sign of a sick mind.
I am told New Zealand recently outlawed kosher slaughter as well as the importation of slaughtered chickens. Great political system there.

If you want me to start on the US system, I'd be here all day.

Link to kosher slaughter and importation please.

And yes, it's a vastly superior political system to yours...

 

[The Rabbi]

Sweden, Norway, and Germany are sclerotic Eurosocialist paradises where every economic transaction requires paying a fee and permission from some bureaucrat. Virtually every major Swedish company was founded prior to 1918. Virtually every party is premised on dishing out benefits to even middle class citizens, creating crushing tax burdens and welfare state mentalities.
Seeing those places as superior to the U.S. is the sign of a sick mind.
I am told New Zealand recently outlawed kosher slaughter as well as the importation of slaughtered chickens. Great political system there.

If you want me to start on the US system, I'd be here all day.

Link to kosher slaughter and importation please.

And yes, it's a vastly superior political system to yours...

New Zealand Bans Kosher Slaughtering - Jewish World - Israel News - Israel National News

Doubtless the trains all run on time in NZ.
How many immigrants from non-white countries do you guys take in every year?
Yeah, great system. That's why NZ lags behind all the Asian tigers in economy, despite having more resources.
Twit.

 

[Dr Grump]

New Zealand Bans Kosher Slaughtering - Jewish World - Israel News - Israel National News

Doubtless the trains all run on time in NZ.
How many immigrants from non-white countries do you guys take in every year?
Yeah, great system. That's why NZ lags behind all the Asian tigers in economy, despite having more resources.
Twit.

Oh, so you guys don't want to conform to our laws that don't make animals suffer? Tough shit, get with the 21st century. Kosher is just bullshit anyway. The whole system is corrupt...

Dunno about trains, we're talking govt systems..

We let in a tonne of non-whites. Auckland is the biggest Polynesian city in the world, and 1 in 9 Aucklanders is from Asia...You should bone up before opening your trap.

Lastly, we are a country of 4 million people. Our economy is fine, and we don't have as many resources as most Asian countries. You really should read up before posting. You look silly..

That aside, as mentioned, we were talking about political systems, not culture or economies....

BTW, NZ came through the GFC A LOT better than the US, so if you want to go down that road, I'm game...

 

[Big Fitz]

If more people are in jail than in any time in our history, thank the liberal legislatures that put them there.

I think liberals are those of the goody two shoes variety, minding everyone else's business but their own. They have no issue creating laws based on their opinion against others. Today's liberal are actually nuclear conservatives, and have become the monster they hate with such passion.

78% control of the House, and over 70% control of the Senate where all of our legislature comes from since WWII. Never mind state or local governments. One giant Democrat monopoly on government by Democrats, but it must be Bush's fault again.

Can someone show me where Democrats opposed Bush besides Terry Schiavo and SCHIPs? It never happened.

Another dumbshit.

Republicans are 90% white. They vote as a block. Democrats are everyone else, including some conservatives. The last two years of the Bush administration the Senate was divided 49 to 49 with two independents. Democrats were able to pass NOT A SINGLE PIECE OF MEANINGFUL LEGISLATION.

If you want to bitch, bitch at those fucking Republicans who call the unemployed "bellyachers" and vote against unemployment benefits, who vote against regulating Wall Street, who vote against safety. who apologized to BP. That's what is wrong with the Republican base. They don't complain about Republican leadership because they know their leaders are worthless turds. They want Democrats to fix things.

Bigot. You hate whitey too don'tcha? You hold out for justice for the brutha man... not the Other Man

The tardigarchy's press secretary showcases another bout of Tourettes I see.

 

[rikules]

I saw this on another thread, where a liberal was demanding someone show the top conservative accomplishments of the last 20 years. He said "there are none" and the debate began. I thought this was a HUGE question and of great importance. BUT, not in the context he was asking. Thats why it's so imporant. Here is the answer:

To find the greatest accomplishments of conservatism in the last 20 years, you CANNOT look for big government accomplishments, as conservatism is not reflected through big government, it is reflected through individual accomplishment and freedom! It is reflected through family values, good parenting at home, setting one's children up for future success, etc, etc. It is reflected by what is possible when the government gets out of the way, and responsible behavior leads one's life.

If you see a set of grandparents enjoying their golden years out of debt, with their children living a modest but independent life, debt free, out of trouble, and grandchildren in school, not in jail, living well, thats a conservative success story.

If you see a small business that opens up, with owners working 70 hours a week to get by, selling an honest product and good service, then expanding by 2 stores, then by 5, then by 10, then by 50, then going publicly traded.....thats a conservative success story.

If you see a selfless soldier or cop, carrying a gun into a danger area, on behalf of strangers, and getting no recognition or wealth from it, that is a conservative success story.

If you see an ex-con released from jail, clean up his life, accept Christ as his savior, then begin preaching to inner city youth about the dangers of the fast life, and helping minister to those kids who have no one to look up to.........and just ONE of those kids gets that message, stays away from drugs, gangs and jail, and gets out of the ghetto to live a better life, that is a conservative success story.

If you see an inner city youth, with no father at home, surrounded by gangs, hip hop culture, drugs, etc, that instead focuses on academics and athletics, graduates, goes to college, gets married, has a family and a business, and sets HIS kids up to live a better life than he did, thats conservative values in action.

And the idea behind conservatives in government is to minimalize the impact of government on a free society as to produce the best opportunity for more of the above success stories to happen. Conservative success stories are anytime a person takes responsiblity for his own debt, his own health, his own education, his own family, his own freedom, his own children.

And that is why you will seldom be able to point to a big government legislative act to reflect the ideals of conservatism, because conservative success is reflected in the glory and success of the individual, not in the glory and success of legislation that will promise an individual something that he should be earning on his own.

greatest conservative accomplishments?

well

they worked real hard to destroy shannon faulkner when she became the first female at the citadel because they do NOT want females allowed in military institutes....

the way they did NOT want blacks allowed in those same institutes....

oh
wait...

they LOST both of those fights....


well

they worked REAL hard to deny gays the right to marry....
but they appear to be losing THAT fight, too....

well

they HATE pot smokers and want to continue to have BIG GOVERNMENT LAWS to deny people the FREEDOM to smoke pot...

but they appear to be losing ground on THAT issue all over the country, too....

well

they want creationism taught along side evolution....
at least until they can have evolution removed from schools....

but

they are losing THAT issue, too....

they want people to stop saying "happy holidays" and force them to say "jesus h christ! is the reason for the season...."

but they aren't winning THAT battle, either....

they want America acknowledged as a CHRISTIAN NATION so they can litigate the bible as the law of the land....

but that isn't working out for them, either....

they want sex before marriage outlawed, and abortion outlawed, and divorce outlawed....(the way freedom loving people should)

but they are losing all of those battles, too....

about the only thing they HAVE accomplished is to get sane and rational people to realize just what deranged, hatefilled, lying hypocrites they are....


however

here are some liberal accomplishments...;


gays are out and about everywhere and nobody cares any more

gays have spousal rights all over the country and are gaining ground for marriage rights

blacks and white marry and nobody cares any more, not even bob jones university

women are in ALL the military institutes

more and more people are more inclined to accept gays in the military

antiquated and draconian pot laws are being re-thought all over the country

divorce is EASY to get (just ask all those anti-divorce conservatives with all those divorces and marriages...like gingrich and limbaugh)

everyone has sex before marriage

lots of people don't even bother to get married any more

atheism is on the rise with up to 15% of the population

women, blacks, minorities are in prominent positions in the military, the workplace, politics...

seems like liberals are doing pretty good.....

 

[The Rabbi]

New Zealand Bans Kosher Slaughtering - Jewish World - Israel News - Israel National News

Doubtless the trains all run on time in NZ.
How many immigrants from non-white countries do you guys take in every year?
Yeah, great system. That's why NZ lags behind all the Asian tigers in economy, despite having more resources.
Twit.

Oh, so you guys don't want to conform to our laws that don't make animals suffer? Tough shit, get with the 21st century. Kosher is just bullshit anyway. The whole system is corrupt...

Dunno about trains, we're talking govt systems..

We let in a tonne of non-whites. Auckland is the biggest Polynesian city in the world, and 1 in 9 Aucklanders is from Asia...You should bone up before opening your trap.

Lastly, we are a country of 4 million people. Our economy is fine, and we don't have as many resources as most Asian countries. You really should read up before posting. You look silly..

That aside, as mentioned, we were talking about political systems, not culture or economies....

BTW, NZ came through the GFC A LOT better than the US, so if you want to go down that road, I'm game...

Ignorant dumbshit. Kosher slaughter involves less suffering.
But now you guys get to join Nazi Germany as a country that banned kosher slaughter. Great political system. Insures freedom for all and like that.

 

[Dr Grump]

Ignorant dumbshit. Kosher slaughter involves less suffering.
But now you guys get to join Nazi Germany as a country that banned kosher slaughter. Great political system. Insures freedom for all and like that.

NO political system ensures freedom for all...

As for more humane: "Cut the trachea, esophagus, cartoid arteries and jugular veins in one uninterrupted incision without squeezing or chopping. Many years of study and training are required to perfect this technique, and correct performance renders the chicken kosher."

Yeah, right. Stunning them first ISN'T a better method....

Read more: How to Slaughter a Chicken According to Jewish Law | eHow.com How to Slaughter a Chicken According to Jewish Law | eHow.com
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Comparing NZ to Nazi Germany...great analogy...

 

[Coyote]

But it's all taken away in taxes. The following creature comforts, American 'neccessities' and every day home appliances are oft missing from european homes:

Air Conditioner
Washing Machine and Dryer
Dish Washer
Multiple personal cars per household (most can't afford 1 due to licenses and fees being extreme)
Multiple Televisions with cable or satellite.

You can doubt it all you want, but it's true. I am poor, and while married and poor we still had everything there except the Cable/Satellite. We also had 1600 sq/ft of house with a yard, and that is also a rarity for the middle class in Europe in many places. Now mind you, it's improving and depends on your definition of "middle class" versus poor, but their quality of life is still much lower.
The economics may be strong... right up until the government steals their money.

Do those things really define "quality of life"?

What good is multiple televisions with cable if you don't have affordable healthcare?

Why do you need multiple cars if you don't have economic security?

One way of measuring quality of life gives the highest ratings to Ireland, Switzerland, Norway (the top 3) for 2005. U.S. is 13th. Another lists France, Australia, Switzerland as top 3 with US as 7th.

I think what you list addresses a more superficial "quality of life" - the aquisition of possessions as an indicator. I think that is something that is uniquely American.

They don't have affordable healthcare. It's bankrupting their countries. Britain just announced they will be privatizing parts of or all of the National Health Service. So much for that myth.

Economic security??? Iceland, Spain, Portugal, Greece, Germany, Ireland, France. What fucking economic security is there? The euro is about to collapse without us printing money to bail them out which we have been doing.

These items represent freedom and economy and efficiency that comes from an affluence they don't have. Think of the time and money saved by allowing someone the freedom to do their own laundry at home. The safety to the lives of their family by just having an AC when it's hot. The freedom to get errands done efficiently by having a car that can haul basic cargo.

What good is national health care if you spend your time waiting in the queue for the bus and are unable to buy a weeks worth of groceries in one trip because you cannot carry it all back to your little un air-conditioned flat and dinky college dorm room refrigerator that can't store it all anyway. Now you have multiplied your market errands by 2-7 times. This is a cultural engineering issue. You want state control, we want individual freedom.

That is why the two sides cannot be resolved and one must win over the other.

BTW, smug superiority complexes never improved anyone's life.

I don't agree one must win over the other.

Everything has a price, and your "economic freedom" carries the price of massive debt, environmental degredation, and economic disparities.

Your either/or statement: You want state control, we want individual freedom -- is a fallacy. It doesn't have to be one or the other. There is a lot of room between the two extremes.

 

[Scaybeez]

I also think the left has a point when we talk about cutting spending, but then saying are we willing to cut medicare, social security, etc. That is a reality, but no politican, on either side, wants to be the one standing up saying "This is getting cut, deal with it". Except maybe Chris Christy Gov. of New Jersey. That guy is a conservative budget buzzsaw right now.

I'm hoping spending cuts gain momentum once the election has passed. There's enough vocal, public support for them now and it'd be a shame to see the opportunity squandered.

 

[Reasoning]

Ron Paul.

 

[jillian]

Oh, so you guys don't want to conform to our laws that don't make animals suffer? Tough shit, get with the 21st century. Kosher is just bullshit anyway. The whole system is corrupt....

well, i think saying the 'whole system is corrupt' is a bit extreme. and i'm not certain that there isn't more or equal pain to the animal when you stun it.

i know you don't put much stock in religion of any kind, but many of us do. and i think the thing that wouldn't be a focus for you is that throughout history, jewish customs have been singled out to be outlawed or criticized as a way to marginalize jews; destroy jewish customs and prevent religious practice.

it's something most of us are very aware of so when we are told something is 'inhumane' or 'barbaric', it sounds like shorthand.... like when people call circumcision 'mutilation'.

 

[Dr Grump]

well, i think saying the 'whole system is corrupt' is a bit extreme. and i'm not certain that there isn't more or equal pain to the animal when you stun it.

i know you don't put much stock in religion of any kind, but many of us do. and i think the thing that wouldn't be a focus for you is that throughout history, jewish customs have been singled out to be outlawed or criticized as a way to marginalize jews; destroy jewish customs and prevent religious practice.

it's something most of us are very aware of so when we are told something is 'inhumane' or 'barbaric', it sounds like shorthand.... like when people call circumcision 'mutilation'.

Circumcision is mutilation, but I don't have a problem with it.

Well, it's not NZ's fault that Jewish custom as been on the arse-end of some shitty govts in the past.

Pacific Island peoples love to slaughter pigs in their back yards in their island villages. They come to NZ and it's a big no-no....

This isn't a Jewish thing that the fake rabbi is making it out to be, this is NZ law. We also don't allow female circumcision....

Back in the day Maori ate part of the heart of a great warrior if they killed him. We don't allow that any more. In fact, killing is outlawed, period....

 

[bucs90]

I personally am sickened by any animal suffering.

I'm not a vegetarian, as I'll have a steak about once a month.

But my daily diet consists of protein from only 3 sources: Eggs, milk, whey protein powder. I don't propose to ban hunting, fishing or eating animals, because I know thats just not realistic, but I'll never kill an animal other than insects. And even bugs, weird as it may sound, I actually try to avoid killing spiders, ants, roaches.

 

[jillian]

Circumcision is mutilation, but I don't have a problem with it.

Well, it's not NZ's fault that Jewish custom as been on the arse-end of some shitty govts in the past.

Pacific Island peoples love to slaughter pigs in their back yards in their island villages. They come to NZ and it's a big no-no....

This isn't a Jewish thing that the fake rabbi is making it out to be, this is NZ law. We also don't allow female circumcision....

Back in the day Maori ate part of the heart of a great warrior if they killed him. We don't allow that any more. In fact, killing is outlawed, period....

i think the use of the term mutilation is intended to create a certain environment. i think of it as 'enhancement'. and female circumcision is a whole other subject....

i think as countries go, NZ seems pretty hospitable, generally. but i think they're being insensitive about his. as i said, i'm not convinced that stunning the animal isn't more or queally painful. attaching human values to animal 'feelngs' generally isn't such a hot idea. i'd love to see the basis for it. until then, i'd think they should err on the side of respecting people's beliefs.

and i know about the maori... i've seen the all blacks do their haka.

 

[Dr Grump]

i think the use of the term mutilation is intended to create a certain environment. i think of it as 'enhancement'. and female circumcision is a whole other subject....

i think as countries go, NZ seems pretty hospitable, generally. but i think they're being insensitive about his. as i said, i'm not convinced that stunning the animal isn't more or queally painful. attaching human values to animal 'feelngs' generally isn't such a hot idea. i'd love to see the basis for it. until then, i'd think they should err on the side of respecting people's beliefs.

and i know about the maori... i've seen the all blacks do their haka.

See 'enhancement' means to make something better. Chopping off somebody's foreskin may or may not be an enhancement.

So now, people should be allowed to slaughter their pigs in their back yard? No way. Absolutely stunning them does so, it knocks them out.....

Interestingly, I think Halal is legal in NZ, so you think if they got rid of one, they should get rid of another, or not at all...At the end of the day, I really don't give a shit, and the Fake Rabbi has just sidelined the original 'Type of Govt' issue, which was the original premise....

 

[jillian]

i think the use of the term mutilation is intended to create a certain environment. i think of it as 'enhancement'. and female circumcision is a whole other subject....

i think as countries go, NZ seems pretty hospitable, generally. but i think they're being insensitive about his. as i said, i'm not convinced that stunning the animal isn't more or queally painful. attaching human values to animal 'feelngs' generally isn't such a hot idea. i'd love to see the basis for it. until then, i'd think they should err on the side of respecting people's beliefs.

and i know about the maori... i've seen the all blacks do their haka.

See 'enhancement' means to make something better. Chopping off somebody's foreskin may or may not be an enhancement.

So now, people should be allowed to slaughter their pigs in their back yard? No way. Absolutely stunning them does so, it knocks them out.....

Interestingly, I think Halal is legal in NZ, so you think if they got rid of one, they should get rid of another, or not at all...At the end of the day, I really don't give a shit, and the Fake Rabbi has just sidelined the original 'Type of Govt' issue, which was the original premise....

well, if i have to choose between 'mutilation' and 'enhancement', i'll go with enhancement.

i'm not sure there's a religious component to people slaughtering their pigs in their backyards. i'd also think there are health questions involved in that type of practice.

but does the stunning the animal hurt it less than having it's throat slit.. which doen't just knock the animal out, but kills it.

i hear you re the initial premise of the thread. no surprises.

 

[Titanic Sailor]

Another dumbshit.

Republicans are 90% white. They vote as a block. Democrats are everyone else, including some conservatives. The last two years of the Bush administration the Senate was divided 49 to 49 with two independents. Democrats were able to pass NOT A SINGLE PIECE OF MEANINGFUL LEGISLATION.

If you want to bitch, bitch at those fucking Republicans who call the unemployed "bellyachers" and vote against unemployment benefits, who vote against regulating Wall Street, who vote against safety. who apologized to BP. That's what is wrong with the Republican base. They don't complain about Republican leadership because they know their leaders are worthless turds. They want Democrats to fix things.

Republicans suck, and need to lose all of the Democrats in their midst and get back to a platform that can save America from the massive corruption of Democrats.

By the way, your response was pitiful, and why many Democrats abandoning you too.

60 Billion for Afghanistan and we are laying off teachers so you can fight a drug war. Wake up robot.

 

[The Rabbi]

well, i think saying the 'whole system is corrupt' is a bit extreme. and i'm not certain that there isn't more or equal pain to the animal when you stun it.

i know you don't put much stock in religion of any kind, but many of us do. and i think the thing that wouldn't be a focus for you is that throughout history, jewish customs have been singled out to be outlawed or criticized as a way to marginalize jews; destroy jewish customs and prevent religious practice.

it's something most of us are very aware of so when we are told something is 'inhumane' or 'barbaric', it sounds like shorthand.... like when people call circumcision 'mutilation'.

Circumcision is mutilation, but I don't have a problem with it.

Well, it's not NZ's fault that Jewish custom as been on the arse-end of some shitty govts in the past.

Pacific Island peoples love to slaughter pigs in their back yards in their island villages. They come to NZ and it's a big no-no....

This isn't a Jewish thing that the fake rabbi is making it out to be, this is NZ law. We also don't allow female circumcision....

Back in the day Maori ate part of the heart of a great warrior if they killed him. We don't allow that any more. In fact, killing is outlawed, period....

Go ahead and keep dancing around pretending that the law isn't anti semitic and shares a long history with other anti semitic laws and governments. Good luck with that one, Herr Braunhemd.
Superior political system, my ass.

 

[editec]

I am STILL WAITING for a list of all the accomplishments of the so called conservatives.