Libs: What are your true cultural values?

[rdean]

Personal responsibility, personal responsibility, more entitlement bullshit and wealth redistribution against personal freedoms, and even more entitlement bullshit and wealth redistribution against personal freedoms


Fair shake and equal treatment by law.... for once I can actually say we are about on the same page


I am close to agreeing with this also.. except I do think this whole redefinition of the term marriage is still horse shit.. but again, in terms of government and law, I am for equal treatment


Big shock there...
If you have problems with fundamentalists.. then you should also have problems with the wingers who practically use environmentalism and other things as their 'religion'.. who practically force their 'doctrine' to be accepted

Republicans have worked against their own self interest for years. The elite they are so against have been using them to stage a massive redistribution of wealth from the middle class to the top 3% since the time of Reagan.
A country can only stay strong if it has a strong middle class. Under the Bush administration, the Repubublicans went hog wild.
The no bid contracts after Katrina.
The no bid contracts after the invasion of Iraq.
The deregulation of Wall Street.
The massive tax cuts for the wealthy.
Health Care (without the care).
Supporting businesses in their move to shift American jobs to other coutries.
The insane energy policies developed between Bush and the oil companies.
And worse, sending the children of the poor and middle class off to fight a made up war so they could make even more money.
And the Republicans have not only supported this travesty, but when there was some small effort to move money back to the middle class, they cry about a "redistribution" of wealth, that already happened.
Worse, the ones that cry the loudest, have no wealth.
Republicans are like the guy who said, "I can't believe how much it hurt when you poked me in the eye. Do it again, in case I was wrong the first time".

Ahhh... lies, lies, and more untruths from a winger

1) There is no preference or stance to redistribute wealth up
2) No bid contracts are there under every last motherfucking administration for certain types of jobs without much competition and for emergency situations where the complex time consuming process is not viable.. yes, including Obama and Clinton
3) Wall Street was never deregulated
4) The wealthy still pay more of a percentage of their income than others... and there are millions who pay no income taxes at all at the lower end of the income ladder... not really a god thing in a society and government based on equality, eh?? Or is it that you, muh like some many others of your ilk, are only for selective equality?? Equality when it fits you and inequality when you want something at the expense of someone else
5) Your 'health care' is your personal responsibility, as stated to you so many times... unless you suddenly feel your personal body and well being is now public domain
6) Nobody has supported the movement or loss of jobs... but government does not exist to own, nor does it control every aspect when freedoms are an essential part of the societal makeup... and as taxation increases under far-leftist rule, even more companies will opt to have their freedom to go to a place where the taxation is not as great.. unless you little control freak lefties wish to curb freedoms some more in favor of forced redistribution and government ownership
7) Show example of your 'insane' energy policies
8) Your little conspiracy theory "made up" war bullshit has been laughed at before, and dismissed as the debunked bullshit it truly is
9) We have an all volunteer military
10) Equality is what is being called for... no redistribution in any direction... but nice try, winger asshole


Ignorant fuck

People swear when they know they are losing. In your case, when they have already lost.

Bush and the Republicans cut taxes for the richest Americans during a time of war. That is unprecedented in American history. Sending kids off to die while stripping the country of it's wealth, all at the same time.

It's only common sense that when the wealth of a country is in the hands of the top 3%, depression follows. Why? Because no one else has any money.

Other presidents may have used no bid contracts in the past, but Bush and the Republicans took it to unprecedented levels. Cheney's Halliburton stock options shot up over 5 THOUSAND percent. Blackwater, a company no one ever heard of became a billion dollar corporation.

Iraq was a "made up" war and even many Republicans admit it. Even Pat Buchanan said this was going to be a disaster BEFORE we even invaded.

Sure, the military is all volunteer, unless they are held against their will for multiple tours past their time out.

At the time, 90% of those in the Military believed that Saddam was behind 9/11. Are you calling them fools? Where did they get that idea. Not from Democrats.

In the 50's and 60's, the tax rate for the top 3% was from 75 to 90%. None of them went poor and there was a time of growth. Of course, CEO's didn't make more than 200 times more than the common worker. And look at the good job they are doing. The economy in ruins.

Wall Street was deregulated. Freddie/Fannie used to handle more than 70% of mortgages. Because of an accounting scandal, they pulled back on mortgages and because Wall Street had been deregulated, they began giving mortgages, eventually more than 70%. Then they bundled them and sold them over seas as "securities".

Insane energy policies? When oil companies make what they make and gas shot up to 5 bucks a gallon?

Talking to you is a joke because you don't know anything. Nothing at all.

You live in a vacuum, no, wait, a terrifying vacuum. Republicans like to be scared.

 

[nodoginnafight]

No you idiot fuck... if it were only the woman's body... it would only be her personal DNA signature... that child, with it's own unique DNA, is a developing human all it's own... which being an innocent developing live, deserves the protections we afford to all others in our country... namely the right not to be wiped out of existence because of the whim of another.... if it were ONLY the woman's body, do as they choose.... hell, you can mutilate yourself for all I or anyone else cares....

Your ignorance is amazing.. truly it is

My DNA is unique to yours. Does that mean I can use your body to sustain my life?

I agree that vulgarity does absolutely to further an argument, however, I do believe that a fetus is a human being who is entitled to protection under our legal system.

I am certainly sympathetic to the inequities contained in the biological process, but it seems we are stuck with that. For about nine months, a woman (imho) bears the responsibility for another human being. I'm sorry that women are so unequally burdened in that respect, but that is just a biological fact of life.

 

[DiamondDave]

Republicans have worked against their own self interest for years. The elite they are so against have been using them to stage a massive redistribution of wealth from the middle class to the top 3% since the time of Reagan.
A country can only stay strong if it has a strong middle class. Under the Bush administration, the Repubublicans went hog wild.
The no bid contracts after Katrina.
The no bid contracts after the invasion of Iraq.
The deregulation of Wall Street.
The massive tax cuts for the wealthy.
Health Care (without the care).
Supporting businesses in their move to shift American jobs to other coutries.
The insane energy policies developed between Bush and the oil companies.
And worse, sending the children of the poor and middle class off to fight a made up war so they could make even more money.
And the Republicans have not only supported this travesty, but when there was some small effort to move money back to the middle class, they cry about a "redistribution" of wealth, that already happened.
Worse, the ones that cry the loudest, have no wealth.
Republicans are like the guy who said, "I can't believe how much it hurt when you poked me in the eye. Do it again, in case I was wrong the first time".

Ahhh... lies, lies, and more untruths from a winger

1) There is no preference or stance to redistribute wealth up
2) No bid contracts are there under every last motherfucking administration for certain types of jobs without much competition and for emergency situations where the complex time consuming process is not viable.. yes, including Obama and Clinton
3) Wall Street was never deregulated
4) The wealthy still pay more of a percentage of their income than others... and there are millions who pay no income taxes at all at the lower end of the income ladder... not really a god thing in a society and government based on equality, eh?? Or is it that you, muh like some many others of your ilk, are only for selective equality?? Equality when it fits you and inequality when you want something at the expense of someone else
5) Your 'health care' is your personal responsibility, as stated to you so many times... unless you suddenly feel your personal body and well being is now public domain
6) Nobody has supported the movement or loss of jobs... but government does not exist to own, nor does it control every aspect when freedoms are an essential part of the societal makeup... and as taxation increases under far-leftist rule, even more companies will opt to have their freedom to go to a place where the taxation is not as great.. unless you little control freak lefties wish to curb freedoms some more in favor of forced redistribution and government ownership
7) Show example of your 'insane' energy policies
8) Your little conspiracy theory "made up" war bullshit has been laughed at before, and dismissed as the debunked bullshit it truly is
9) We have an all volunteer military
10) Equality is what is being called for... no redistribution in any direction... but nice try, winger asshole


Ignorant fuck

People swear when they know they are losing. In your case, when they have already lost.

Bush and the Republicans cut taxes for the richest Americans during a time of war. That is unprecedented in American history. Sending kids off to die while stripping the country of it's wealth, all at the same time.

It's only common sense that when the wealth of a country is in the hands of the top 3%, depression follows. Why? Because no one else has any money.

Other presidents may have used no bid contracts in the past, but Bush and the Republicans took it to unprecedented levels. Cheney's Halliburton stock options shot up over 5 THOUSAND percent. Blackwater, a company no one ever heard of became a billion dollar corporation.

Iraq was a "made up" war and even many Republicans admit it. Even Pat Buchanan said this was going to be a disaster BEFORE we even invaded.

Sure, the military is all volunteer, unless they are held against their will for multiple tours past their time out.

At the time, 90% of those in the Military believed that Saddam was behind 9/11. Are you calling them fools? Where did they get that idea. Not from Democrats.

In the 50's and 60's, the tax rate for the top 3% was from 75 to 90%. None of them went poor and there was a time of growth. Of course, CEO's didn't make more than 200 times more than the common worker. And look at the good job they are doing. The economy in ruins.

Wall Street was deregulated. Freddie/Fannie used to handle more than 70% of mortgages. Because of an accounting scandal, they pulled back on mortgages and because Wall Street had been deregulated, they began giving mortgages, eventually more than 70%. Then they bundled them and sold them over seas as "securities".

Insane energy policies? When oil companies make what they make and gas shot up to 5 bucks a gallon?

Talking to you is a joke because you don't know anything. Nothing at all.

You live in a vacuum, no, wait, a terrifying vacuum. Republicans like to be scared.

Sorry fucknut... you have been debunked on every occasion

1) The richest still pay a higher percentage than all others... in the unequal punishment based tax system... again.. you and your ilk are for selective equality when it benefits you
2) No... Bush did not take it to "unprecedented" levels... nice try though
3) Haliburton's stock performance.. not unusual or unreasonable for most any company
Halliburton, Stock Information
HALLIBURTON CO Share Price Chart | HAL - Yahoo! Finance
And look at their increase under Clinton's time (what's that?? a 600% increase???).... you sure do like to grasp at straws, winger... 5000%??? LMAO.. what a crock of shit you like to throw around... LMFAO
4) In the 50's and 60's we also had different tax rules for deductions and taxable income.... tehre was no true taxation of 70-90% of all income going to the government... but nice fucking try again, winger
5) Wall street was not deregulated... there was no deregulation at all... and you have not, nor will you show anything to state that it was.... you simply wanting it to be so does not make it true, you extremist winger
6) Still waiting for an insane energy policy... do we also need to post for you the % profit and the profit margins AGAIN??? Show you how much profit is in a gallon of gas??? To show you that the government is the biggest profit taker in the gasoline industry???


You have proven over and over and over again that you are a moron.. you have nothing more than leftist slogans and chants that you repeat over and over and over again

Crawl back under your rock... you've been exposed, again

 

[Barb]

Abortion should be safe,legal, and rare. It is least prevalent where it is legal and available, and part of the reason for that is that where control over that issue is in the woman's hands, the unmet need for birth control is lower. Making it illegal does not eliminate abortions, it makes them more dangerous.

I never understood racial bigotry. I've experienced it secondhand as a white woman with a biracial child, from mom (she's come a long way in 21 years though), and especially as a result of experiencing totally different traffic stops (with family / without). Kwanzaa breakfast looks like the UN. I love my family.

Gay people should have every constitutional right every other American enjoys, and equal protection under the law. That they don't speaks to the privileged status of others who wish to remain privileged. Leading to:

Religion. Most have some pretty good stuff going for them (and some horrific history as well), but in order to belong, one must believe all the dogma, and I just can't. Group activities always made me itch.

 

[Barb]

Abortion: I find it reprehensible, but the cat is out of the bag. We will never eliminate abortion, it is available around the world. I am a realist and know that neither abortion or gun ownership will be outlawed nation wide. Best option is to cut down the need for abortion.....Birth control, sex education, free neonatal care, assistance to single mothers

Personal responsibility, personal responsibility, more entitlement bullshit and wealth redistribution against personal freedoms, and even more entitlement bullshit and wealth redistribution against personal freedoms


Fair shake and equal treatment by law.... for once I can actually say we are about on the same page


I am close to agreeing with this also.. except I do think this whole redefinition of the term marriage is still horse shit.. but again, in terms of government and law, I am for equal treatment

Christianity: I am an atheist....I have been brought up Christian but just don't buy it as the truth. Most Christians are good people and do good for the community. I have problems with fundamentalists who are intolerant of others while demanding their own doctrine be accepted

Big shock there...
If you have problems with fundamentalists.. then you should also have problems with the wingers who practically use environmentalism and other things as their 'religion'.. who practically force their 'doctrine' to be accepted

Republicans have worked against their own self interest for years. The elite they are so against have been using them to stage a massive redistribution of wealth from the middle class to the top 3% since the time of Reagan.
A country can only stay strong if it has a strong middle class. Under the Bush administration, the Repubublicans went hog wild.
The no bid contracts after Katrina.
The no bid contracts after the invasion of Iraq.
The deregulation of Wall Street.
The massive tax cuts for the wealthy.
Health Care (without the care).
Supporting businesses in their move to shift American jobs to other coutries.
The insane energy policies developed between Bush and the oil companies.
And worse, sending the children of the poor and middle class off to fight a made up war so they could make even more money.
And the Republicans have not only supported this travesty, but when there was some small effort to move money back to the middle class, they cry about a "redistribution" of wealth, that already happened.
Worse, the ones that cry the loudest, have no wealth.
Republicans are like the guy who said, "I can't believe how much it hurt when you poked me in the eye. Do it again, in case I was wrong the first time".

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to rdean again.

 

[Maple]

Be honest about these three conscience-raising values, NOT politically motivated based on ideology or agenda. Here's mine:

Abortion: First, a confession: I used to be pro-choice for all the politically correct reasons, until the day my niece, an RN who was living with us at the time, came home after her shift and described the unbelievable event that happened following a patient's miscarriage.

The two-month old fetus, presumed dead, had been placed in a metal bowl as it was expelled, when suddenly a tiny cavity opened (the mouth, although not distinguishable as such) and the fetus took a breath of air. In that instant, the film (not yet skin) covering the baby came alive with visible blood rushing throughout the formed veins of the tiny body, like watching an animated X-ray my niece said. It took less than 30 seconds for this incredible event, and then the child died because its organs were not yet able to sustain its life further. But that struggle for life was clear, even at that early stage.

My dilemma remains, however, how should society treat all the unwanted children?

Racial bigotry: Like the crutch that was the holocaust that some Jews continue to use to justify the attitude that the rest of the world owes them something, certain segments of the African-American community need to stop using slavery and other historical examples of oppression as their crutch to justify bad behavior and/or laziness. Nuff said.

Gays: Most of us who aren't gay don't understand the sexual component of homosexuality. Some, therefore, react with disgust which translates to hatred because of something they don't understand. Others will react with a shrug (me) since what goes on in a bedroom is highly personal anyway and I don't care what other people do.

I have another niece (I have several!) who is a 40-something Harvard professor, a witty and funny, warm woman who is also a lesbian. She also has absolutely no desire to "marry" anybody. She is simply more comfortable in the presence of women. Yet I also have a male friend who is gay, and finally married his partner of 20 years. They both had been accepted as a "couple" for many years, and no one thought anything of it. However, their "marriage" has lasted only two years, and now they want a divorce. Go figure. It just goes to show that people are people. Shit happens. Bottom line is that both are examples of human personality traits that affect homosexuals exactly the same as straight people.

Christianity: I find that the basic tenet of Christianity--do unto others--has been dramatically lost in translation over the years. Rather than going into more explanations of my own experiences, this recent proclamation by the Washington DC Catholic Diocese has me seeing red and is a perfect example of the hypocrisies we see so often with respect to the Christian faith (and I don't mean to single out Catholicism):

Catholic Church gives D.C. ultimatum on same-sex marriage issue - washingtonpost.com

A lot on the plate here, and maybe too much for people to explore their own deep thoughts. So if anyone cares to respond (in parts if you wish), please try to do it by expressing your own personal assessment of these three issues and not parrot your friends and relatives or your favorite blogger.

They have every cultural value in the world, what they lack is econmic sense of any kind and any sense of threats from our enemies. There ONLY concern is what's in it for them and the above article.

 

[dilloduck]

I dont' disagree with this, but I would say the issue right now isn't that the Mother's don't want to take personal responsibility for the children, its the deadbeat fathers. It takes two to tango, and yet all too frequently only one is left to parent.

I think that legally there should be a greater consequence for the father that runs out than there currently is.

I don;t agree with any law that does not have equal responsibility on both parents for the raising and providing for the child...

But in no way is society nor government required to take over the personal responsibility for someone.... it is nice and honorable to have a charitable soul and support charities that help those in rough patches in their life... but this entitlement mantra that people are owed simply for the fact that they exist, MUST stop and be stopped

You have to put yourself into the shoes of a single pregnant woman. What are her options? Can she afford to keep the baby? How will the hospital bills be paid? What are her adoption options?

You say all those things are her problem, her personal responsibility. If so.........don't complain when she chooses abortion

which sorta makees it a personal value as opposed to a cultural one, doesn't it ?

 

[noose4]

Be honest about these three conscience-raising values, NOT politically motivated based on ideology or agenda. Here's mine:

Abortion: First, a confession: I used to be pro-choice for all the politically correct reasons, until the day my niece, an RN who was living with us at the time, came home after her shift and described the unbelievable event that happened following a patient's miscarriage.

The two-month old fetus, presumed dead, had been placed in a metal bowl as it was expelled, when suddenly a tiny cavity opened (the mouth, although not distinguishable as such) and the fetus took a breath of air. In that instant, the film (not yet skin) covering the baby came alive with visible blood rushing throughout the formed veins of the tiny body, like watching an animated X-ray my niece said. It took less than 30 seconds for this incredible event, and then the child died because its organs were not yet able to sustain its life further. But that struggle for life was clear, even at that early stage.

My dilemma remains, however, how should society treat all the unwanted children?

Racial bigotry: Like the crutch that was the holocaust that some Jews continue to use to justify the attitude that the rest of the world owes them something, certain segments of the African-American community need to stop using slavery and other historical examples of oppression as their crutch to justify bad behavior and/or laziness. Nuff said.

Gays: Most of us who aren't gay don't understand the sexual component of homosexuality. Some, therefore, react with disgust which translates to hatred because of something they don't understand. Others will react with a shrug (me) since what goes on in a bedroom is highly personal anyway and I don't care what other people do.

I have another niece (I have several!) who is a 40-something Harvard professor, a witty and funny, warm woman who is also a lesbian. She also has absolutely no desire to "marry" anybody. She is simply more comfortable in the presence of women. Yet I also have a male friend who is gay, and finally married his partner of 20 years. They both had been accepted as a "couple" for many years, and no one thought anything of it. However, their "marriage" has lasted only two years, and now they want a divorce. Go figure. It just goes to show that people are people. Shit happens. Bottom line is that both are examples of human personality traits that affect homosexuals exactly the same as straight people.

Christianity: I find that the basic tenet of Christianity--do unto others--has been dramatically lost in translation over the years. Rather than going into more explanations of my own experiences, this recent proclamation by the Washington DC Catholic Diocese has me seeing red and is a perfect example of the hypocrisies we see so often with respect to the Christian faith (and I don't mean to single out Catholicism):

Catholic Church gives D.C. ultimatum on same-sex marriage issue - washingtonpost.com

A lot on the plate here, and maybe too much for people to explore their own deep thoughts. So if anyone cares to respond (in parts if you wish), please try to do it by expressing your own personal assessment of these three issues and not parrot your friends and relatives or your favorite blogger.

abortion: I am pro life, I oppose abortion and the death penalty and support government programs that help and protect poor and needy children.

racial bigotry: still exists to a certain extent and should be pointed out when it is being done by any side.(yes in this day and age it is not necessarily a one way street)

gay: I dont care what anybody does sexually as long as they are consenting adults and as far as the issue of gay marriage goes I support it as it does not affect my life in any way (unless a gay friend of mine gets married then I might have to go to a reception if invited)

Christianity: I was raised Catholic but consider myself agnostic, people can believe whatever they want, Christ had a lot of great teachings that an awful lot of outspoken hardcore Christians pay no mind to.
Mahatma Gandhi: "I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ."

 

[DiamondDave]

Personal responsibility, personal responsibility, more entitlement bullshit and wealth redistribution against personal freedoms, and even more entitlement bullshit and wealth redistribution against personal freedoms


Fair shake and equal treatment by law.... for once I can actually say we are about on the same page


I am close to agreeing with this also.. except I do think this whole redefinition of the term marriage is still horse shit.. but again, in terms of government and law, I am for equal treatment


Big shock there...
If you have problems with fundamentalists.. then you should also have problems with the wingers who practically use environmentalism and other things as their 'religion'.. who practically force their 'doctrine' to be accepted

Republicans have worked against their own self interest for years. The elite they are so against have been using them to stage a massive redistribution of wealth from the middle class to the top 3% since the time of Reagan.
A country can only stay strong if it has a strong middle class. Under the Bush administration, the Repubublicans went hog wild.
The no bid contracts after Katrina.
The no bid contracts after the invasion of Iraq.
The deregulation of Wall Street.
The massive tax cuts for the wealthy.
Health Care (without the care).
Supporting businesses in their move to shift American jobs to other coutries.
The insane energy policies developed between Bush and the oil companies.
And worse, sending the children of the poor and middle class off to fight a made up war so they could make even more money.
And the Republicans have not only supported this travesty, but when there was some small effort to move money back to the middle class, they cry about a "redistribution" of wealth, that already happened.
Worse, the ones that cry the loudest, have no wealth.
Republicans are like the guy who said, "I can't believe how much it hurt when you poked me in the eye. Do it again, in case I was wrong the first time".

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to rdean again.

Except for everything he stated was already shot out of the water

 

[MaggieMae]

Scientists have almost unanimously concluded that homosexuality is a genetic failure.

Not to derail your thread, but I've always seen this as the catch-22 of the homosexual community.

If homosexuality is a lifestyle choise, why should the get equal protection under the law? If you decide to go Punk or Goth, don't complain you can't get a bank job. Personal life decisions have consequences.

If homosexuality is a genetic disorder, then it is medicallly a sickness and that opens a whole Pandora's Box of terrible scenarios. Parents aborting gay fetuses, opting for dangerous genetic therapies, etc.

I've never understood pursing this line of reasoning.

Actually, genetic flaw may not be an illness whatsoever. If the premise is correct, the action of creating a male comes from the mutation of an embryo that is normally female.

Thus the male of the species, like me, are genetic mutations of women. Translation--all men are mutated women!! I am now thinking of taking out an ad as being a lesbiian with an extra sex organ. Technically, it is true!!

Probably not many women would disagree with that.

 

[MaggieMae]

Did not sound like you said studied there, mags

Well...I don't profess to spend a great deal of time on the subject, but I've certainly read enough articles to know I'm not making it up. Just a quick Google search typing in Scientists generally conclude that homosexuality is a genetic disorder turned up over 5,000 links discussing same.

and 1.8 million for no gay gene....

I don't take # of links as any sort of proof...

The fact is that with all the efforts put forth by those with agendas to find such a thing, not even 1 smidgen of a hint of a gay gene has been found.... and anyone who tried to then conclude that it is something 'natural' or 'genetic' or anything else of the sort really has zero leg to stand on...

Look.. I am for government treating people equally as long as they are not prisoners or doing something against the law.. which includes people choosing the homosexual lifestyle... if they want civil union status that affords the same 'benefits' such as inheritance, power of attorney in emergencies and medical issues, joint filing for family taxation, etc... all well and fine... but much like other life choices that people swear was beyond their control, I say don't shit in my hand and tell me it's chocolate.. and don't try to use a premise of equality to try and promote some other offshoot agenda...

Just waiting for the people to claim the pedophilia gene, the I can't stop committing crime gene, the you owe me for existing gene, the I can't work because I don't want to gene, or the drunk driving gene...

Both pedophilia and substance abuse have been tied to defective brain activity. Do you disagree that even that exists? I hate to break it to you, but we're all at the mercy of our genetic makeup and predisposition to abnormalities, many of which never surface because there is never any trigger. I'm no doctor or scientist, but I remember at least that much from Biology 101. I'm also not saying I'm an apologist for heinous acts by those whose perversions or 'social misconduct' are triggered at some point.

 

[MaggieMae]

"Just as there is treatment for bipolar disorder, for example, there are treatments available for homosexuals today and more sophisticated treatments will be available in the future."

Assuming you're talking about the counseling, those don't work. Also homosexuality isn't classified as a mental disorder anymore and I don't think it should be.

I agree. Scientists have almost unanimously concluded that homosexuality is a genetic failure. I saw a recent study that is trying to isolate it to the fact that a fetus is basically all female until a certain growth point, and that the genetic mutation may occur there.

It takes a strong person to "come out" and still hope to live and co-mingle among a still majority heterosexual population. That said, I think even that would be less of a psychological problem if the more flamboyant gay population didn't exacerbate the stigma that already exists.

You just pulled that out of your ass.

Sorry, but I don't think my reputation extends to just making shit up.

 

[MaggieMae]

If homosexuality is a genetic disorder - then HOW does that gene get passed on?

No clue. But there are many diseases that don't immediately get passed on. There are even genetic identifications that don't get passed on to offspring. Ever see a young adult who doesn't resemble either his or her parent but is the spitting image of a grandparent?

I'm sure many gay people would apreciate being compared to a "disease".

Perhaps I should have emphasized the word "disease" in order to clarify that use of the term was meant to convey in addition to, or at least preceded it with "also. "

A little touchy, aren't we? Do you have anything of value to add? If you're gay, I'm on your side by the way, unless you flaunt your gayness as being better than.

 

[MaggieMae]

Personal responsibility, personal responsibility, more entitlement bullshit and wealth redistribution against personal freedoms, and even more entitlement bullshit and wealth redistribution against personal freedoms


Fair shake and equal treatment by law.... for once I can actually say we are about on the same page


I am close to agreeing with this also.. except I do think this whole redefinition of the term marriage is still horse shit.. but again, in terms of government and law, I am for equal treatment


Big shock there...
If you have problems with fundamentalists.. then you should also have problems with the wingers who practically use environmentalism and other things as their 'religion'.. who practically force their 'doctrine' to be accepted

Republicans have worked against their own self interest for years. The elite they are so against have been using them to stage a massive redistribution of wealth from the middle class to the top 3% since the time of Reagan.
A country can only stay strong if it has a strong middle class. Under the Bush administration, the Repubublicans went hog wild.
The no bid contracts after Katrina.
The no bid contracts after the invasion of Iraq.
The deregulation of Wall Street.
The massive tax cuts for the wealthy.
Health Care (without the care).
Supporting businesses in their move to shift American jobs to other coutries.
The insane energy policies developed between Bush and the oil companies.
And worse, sending the children of the poor and middle class off to fight a made up war so they could make even more money.
And the Republicans have not only supported this travesty, but when there was some small effort to move money back to the middle class, they cry about a "redistribution" of wealth, that already happened.
Worse, the ones that cry the loudest, have no wealth.
Republicans are like the guy who said, "I can't believe how much it hurt when you poked me in the eye. Do it again, in case I was wrong the first time".

Ahhh... lies, lies, and more untruths from a winger

1) There is no preference or stance to redistribute wealth up
2) No bid contracts are there under every last motherfucking administration for certain types of jobs without much competition and for emergency situations where the complex time consuming process is not viable.. yes, including Obama and Clinton
3) Wall Street was never deregulated
4) The wealthy still pay more of a percentage of their income than others... and there are millions who pay no income taxes at all at the lower end of the income ladder... not really a god thing in a society and government based on equality, eh?? Or is it that you, muh like some many others of your ilk, are only for selective equality?? Equality when it fits you and inequality when you want something at the expense of someone else
5) Your 'health care' is your personal responsibility, as stated to you so many times... unless you suddenly feel your personal body and well being is now public domain
6) Nobody has supported the movement or loss of jobs... but government does not exist to own, nor does it control every aspect when freedoms are an essential part of the societal makeup... and as taxation increases under far-leftist rule, even more companies will opt to have their freedom to go to a place where the taxation is not as great.. unless you little control freak lefties wish to curb freedoms some more in favor of forced redistribution and government ownership
7) Show example of your 'insane' energy policies
8) Your little conspiracy theory "made up" war bullshit has been laughed at before, and dismissed as the debunked bullshit it truly is
9) We have an all volunteer military
10) Equality is what is being called for... no redistribution in any direction... but nice try, winger asshole


Ignorant fuck

Believe it or not, I actually appreciated that exchange because it concisely points out where the divides are.

 

[MaggieMae]

abortion: big business neither party will change it....i prefer birth control to abortion...abortion to child abuse

bigotry: i am ...i elect to live in a "white" zone for a reason


homosexuality: i dont give a damn who you are fucking and its not my business till you are fucking me

religion: i dont try to convert people, i dont want them to try to convert me...

Good reply. I can always expect honesty from you.

 

[MaggieMae]

Abortion I personally don't like murder or the taking of innocent life which is why, the majority of the time, i am against abortion and the death penalty. There are rare instances such as rape and the life of the mother where I can accept an abortion just as there are rare cases I can accept the death penalty. However the majority of the time I do not support either.

Racial bigotry Racial bigotry from any race toward another race, or their own race, really upsets me. I am tired of people treating minorities with racist policies such as affirmative action. I feel doing so is like saying "yeah we recognize your not as good of us so here is a leg up on the other races" not cool at all. I also find that people attribute things to others based on their race that are totally innacurate, which also bothers me. We should all judge each other by the content of our character and our actions, not prejudical stereo types. We should also all be treated blindly in the eyes of the law.

GaysI'm not gay but I have a friend and a family member (possibly 2 if he comes out of the closet that we think he is hiding in) who are. I personally am against making a church marry any gay couple as it goes against most religions values. However I totally support civil unions and state sanction marriages for gay couples, i dont understand why someone would want to deny this of people.

Christianity I am actually going to change this one to Religion in general. I am a person of strong faith in a power greater than humankind and also a strong believer in Karma. As far as christianity and religion in general goes I dislike them all very much. I feel every major religion is hypocritical either in the actions of those in charge or the followers who ignore tennants of their religion.

I personally have no use for religion and think it does nothing but divide people who otherwise would agree (hey wow am i talking about party politics or religion now )


There you go an opinion from a self Identified American (not repub, not dem, not lib, not con, just american)

We at least agree 100% on those cultural issues, Pilgrim. As for politics, not so much, you and me. Frankly, far too often the two are wedded when they shouldn't be, however.

 

[MaggieMae]

Except for the fact that no 'gay gene' has been found whatsoever... that little fact usually gets in to the way of the 'genetic failure' argument

I said it was being "studied," not that one has been found yet.

You are right. It is being studied.

It's impossible to teach conservatives. They have a genetic disposition toward believing the BS they "imagine".

US researchers find evidence that homosexuality linked to genetics | World news | guardian.co.uk

the preponderance of researchers say attraction is dictated by biology, with no demonstrated contribution from social factors such as parenting or other factors after birth.

A host of studies since the mid-1990s have found common biological traits between gay men, including left-handedness and the direction of hair whorls. The likelihood that if one identical twin is gay, the other will be also be gay is much higher than the "concordance" of homosexuality between fraternal twins, indicating that genes play a role in sexual orientation, but are not the entire cause.

"In the past decade, I think the pendulum has swung more toward biological theory and biological causes," said Richard Lippa, a psychology professor at California State University-Fullerton, who has studied hair patterns and other biological traits in gay men.

Sven Bocklandt, a geneticist at the David Geffen school of medicine at UCLA, is bewildered by the argument that people choose their sexual attraction. He said that virtually every animal species that has been studied - from sheep to fruit flies - has a small minority of individuals who demonstrate homosexual activity.

Thank you for doing some research. I too have always wondered why the assumption that people choose to be gay isn't challenged more. Why would ANYONE "choose" to be the object of a lifetime of ridicule?

 

[MaggieMae]

All of your comments are outstanding. However, that said, after reading your posts for many months now, I find it hard to believe that you are a "liberal" even by its true sense of meaning.

Thank you.

I think the reason you cannot believe that I'm a liberal is because your beliefs are so far to the radical left side of everything that you do not truly understand what a liberal is.

I don't want to mess up the continuity of this thread, but I do wonder in which areas you think that to be true. I AM left of center, but I'm no radical except when I get pissed off at someone's lashing out and rants that make no sense within the context or need to lace every comment with an insult, in which case I can get just as down and dirty.

 

[dilloduck]

I said it was being "studied," not that one has been found yet.

You are right. It is being studied.

It's impossible to teach conservatives. They have a genetic disposition toward believing the BS they "imagine".

US researchers find evidence that homosexuality linked to genetics | World news | guardian.co.uk

the preponderance of researchers say attraction is dictated by biology, with no demonstrated contribution from social factors such as parenting or other factors after birth.

A host of studies since the mid-1990s have found common biological traits between gay men, including left-handedness and the direction of hair whorls. The likelihood that if one identical twin is gay, the other will be also be gay is much higher than the "concordance" of homosexuality between fraternal twins, indicating that genes play a role in sexual orientation, but are not the entire cause.

"In the past decade, I think the pendulum has swung more toward biological theory and biological causes," said Richard Lippa, a psychology professor at California State University-Fullerton, who has studied hair patterns and other biological traits in gay men.

Sven Bocklandt, a geneticist at the David Geffen school of medicine at UCLA, is bewildered by the argument that people choose their sexual attraction. He said that virtually every animal species that has been studied - from sheep to fruit flies - has a small minority of individuals who demonstrate homosexual activity.

Thank you for doing some research. I too have always wondered why the assumption that people choose to be gay isn't challenged more. Why would ANYONE "choose" to be the object of a lifetime of ridicule?

They consider the alternative to be worse ?

 

[MaggieMae]

Something like this
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sour...HyV4m4BZBsTAaqJfQ&sig2=e1JlbYfPwjPsCToSB6i_rg

Huh? Are you even in the correct thread?