Liberalism vs. Leftism

[Penelope]

Liberalism is more like the alt right.

 

[dudmuck]

Do you ever see liberals cutting the leftists off at some point, or if they do, will it be too late?

Reminds me of the quote.

"First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for the Dims, and I laughed my arse off."

Well, that was sort of the quote. I changed it a bit.

It must be a terrible inconvenience for you that the declaration of indpendance says, "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights..."

(this actually what "leftists" believe)

But thanks for the great example of conservative persecution complex.

How do current leftists (progressive Statists) believe all people are created equal when they constantly try to tribalize people and have those tribes fight each other to see who is the "most oppressed" and thus by their logic who's opinion carries more weight?

Tribalism is when Roy Moore is supported despite his shady past.
Tribalism is when Gianforte wins after assaulting reporter.

 

[martybegan]

Do you ever see liberals cutting the leftists off at some point, or if they do, will it be too late?

Reminds me of the quote.

"First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for the Dims, and I laughed my arse off."

Well, that was sort of the quote. I changed it a bit.

It must be a terrible inconvenience for you that the declaration of indpendance says, "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights..."

(this actually what "leftists" believe)

But thanks for the great example of conservative persecution complex.

How do current leftists (progressive Statists) believe all people are created equal when they constantly try to tribalize people and have those tribes fight each other to see who is the "most oppressed" and thus by their logic who's opinion carries more weight?

Tribalism is when Roy Moore is supported despite his shady past.
Tribalism is when Gianforte wins after assaulting reporter.

Where have those Roy Moore accusations and accusers gone since they accomplished their mission?

 

[TNHarley]

Do you ever see liberals cutting the leftists off at some point, or if they do, will it be too late?

Reminds me of the quote.

"First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for the Dims, and I laughed my arse off."

Well, that was sort of the quote. I changed it a bit.

It must be a terrible inconvenience for you that the declaration of indpendance says, "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights..."

(this actually what "leftists" believe)

But thanks for the great example of conservative persecution complex.

How do current leftists (progressive Statists) believe all people are created equal when they constantly try to tribalize people and have those tribes fight each other to see who is the "most oppressed" and thus by their logic who's opinion carries more weight?

Tribalism is when Roy Moore is supported despite his shady past.
Tribalism is when Gianforte wins after assaulting reporter.

Or like that democrat that won the mayoral race behind bars for MURDER?
Shit like that?

 

[TNHarley]

Do you ever see liberals cutting the leftists off at some point, or if they do, will it be too late?

Reminds me of the quote.

"First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for the Dims, and I laughed my arse off."

Well, that was sort of the quote. I changed it a bit.

It must be a terrible inconvenience for you that the declaration of indpendance says, "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights..."

(this actually what "leftists" believe)

But thanks for the great example of conservative persecution complex.

How do current leftists (progressive Statists) believe all people are created equal when they constantly try to tribalize people and have those tribes fight each other to see who is the "most oppressed" and thus by their logic who's opinion carries more weight?

Tribalism is when Roy Moore is supported despite his shady past.
Tribalism is when Gianforte wins after assaulting reporter.

Where have those Roy Moore accusations and accusers gone since they accomplished their mission?

With me, it was never the accusers. It was his own words. For example, when he said he was scoping out teenagers at a dance recital and thinking they would be someone special in his life.

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

I've come to the conclusion that there is a difference between the two terms liberal and leftist.

The liberal still believes people should have rights, even if those rights conflict with their own. Also, they believe that people should be free to speak their minds even if they don't agree.

The Leftist, however, thinks that only they should have rights, and anyone who disagrees with them is either a racist, a bigot, a misogynist, a retard, insane, or a combination thereof and must be silenced at any cost.

I will also concede that the Demagogues in the DNC will most likely round up both their votes, so I'm not really sure the distinction really matters.

So a leftist is like a todays right.

No. A leftist is todays stalinist. The left goes further left every day..
I understand genocide gets you guys fake genitalia all wet, too.

I see no difference between the OP definition of Leftist and todays right wing nuts.

hard to see anything when you think like a liberal, see picture in my last post.

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

Liberalism is more like the alt right.

See classical liberalism?

Classical liberalism
Classical liberalism is a political ideology and a branch of liberalism which advocates civil liberties and political freedom with representative democracy under the rule of law and emphasizes economic freedom.
Classical liberalism - Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_liberalism

Those Alt -Rights sure do look dangerous...

 

[martybegan]

Do you ever see liberals cutting the leftists off at some point, or if they do, will it be too late?

Reminds me of the quote.

"First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for the Dims, and I laughed my arse off."

Well, that was sort of the quote. I changed it a bit.

It must be a terrible inconvenience for you that the declaration of indpendance says, "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights..."

(this actually what "leftists" believe)

But thanks for the great example of conservative persecution complex.

How do current leftists (progressive Statists) believe all people are created equal when they constantly try to tribalize people and have those tribes fight each other to see who is the "most oppressed" and thus by their logic who's opinion carries more weight?

Tribalism is when Roy Moore is supported despite his shady past.
Tribalism is when Gianforte wins after assaulting reporter.

Where have those Roy Moore accusations and accusers gone since they accomplished their mission?

With me, it was never the accusers. It was his own words. For example, when he said he was scoping out teenagers at a dance recital and thinking they would be someone special in his life.

Is he a creep? Yes. was what he did illegal? probably not.

How many hollywood types bang younger women? How about we page Jerry Seinfeld?

If we let them get away with this hypocrisy, they get to frame the narrative.

 

[TNHarley]

It must be a terrible inconvenience for you that the declaration of indpendance says, "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights..."

(this actually what "leftists" believe)

But thanks for the great example of conservative persecution complex.

How do current leftists (progressive Statists) believe all people are created equal when they constantly try to tribalize people and have those tribes fight each other to see who is the "most oppressed" and thus by their logic who's opinion carries more weight?

Tribalism is when Roy Moore is supported despite his shady past.
Tribalism is when Gianforte wins after assaulting reporter.

Where have those Roy Moore accusations and accusers gone since they accomplished their mission?

With me, it was never the accusers. It was his own words. For example, when he said he was scoping out teenagers at a dance recital and thinking they would be someone special in his life.

Is he a creep? Yes. was what he did illegal? probably not.

How many hollywood types bang younger women? How about we page Jerry Seinfeld?

If we let them get away with this hypocrisy, they get to frame the narrative.

Well, no. You can look but not touch, i guess...... my problem is, he thinks its perfectly ok to salivate at kids. And people in AL should have trusted him to represent them in congress? LOL

 

[martybegan]

How do current leftists (progressive Statists) believe all people are created equal when they constantly try to tribalize people and have those tribes fight each other to see who is the "most oppressed" and thus by their logic who's opinion carries more weight?

Tribalism is when Roy Moore is supported despite his shady past.
Tribalism is when Gianforte wins after assaulting reporter.

Where have those Roy Moore accusations and accusers gone since they accomplished their mission?

With me, it was never the accusers. It was his own words. For example, when he said he was scoping out teenagers at a dance recital and thinking they would be someone special in his life.

Is he a creep? Yes. was what he did illegal? probably not.

How many hollywood types bang younger women? How about we page Jerry Seinfeld?

If we let them get away with this hypocrisy, they get to frame the narrative.

Well, no. You can look but not touch, i guess...... my problem is, he thinks its perfectly ok to salivate at kids. And people in AL should have trusted him to represent them in congress? LOL

The thing is he doesn't fit the profile of a guy who's an abuser, because he married one of the younger women and then stayed with her and had kids.

Now the thing we are missing is if he still guns for them and it hasn't come out yet, but with all the media attention I would assume someone would talk if he still has a thing for the young ones.

 

[Wry Catcher]

I've come to the conclusion that there is a difference between the two terms liberal and leftist.

The liberal still believes people should have rights, even if those rights conflict with their own. Also, they believe that people should be free to speak their minds even if they don't agree.

The Leftist, however, thinks that only they should have rights, and anyone who disagrees with them is either a racist, a bigot, a misogynist, a retard, insane, or a combination thereof and must be silenced at any cost.

I will also concede that the Demagogues in the DNC will most likely round up both their votes, so I'm not really sure the distinction really matters.

Is this a summary of your Ph. D dissertation? (sarcasm).

Seriously, do you know the etymology of the terms Left and Right? Do you know how they've evolved over time? Do you understand the meaning of the BIG LIE and how pejoratives work in conjunction with that form of mendacity?

How about liberal and conservative, how do they relate to the Left and to the Right in the 21st Century? Do they have a clear meaning, or have both been expanded by the BIG LIES and the use of euphemisms and dysphemisms?

Postscript: Please see the thread by PoliticalChic and her post #1, for an example of why these questions are relevant. Notice too, that she will support her claim by using her favorite logical fallacy: The Ad Hominem.

 

[dudmuck]

Do you ever see liberals cutting the leftists off at some point, or if they do, will it be too late?

Reminds me of the quote.

"First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for the Dims, and I laughed my arse off."

Well, that was sort of the quote. I changed it a bit.

It must be a terrible inconvenience for you that the declaration of indpendance says, "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights..."

(this actually what "leftists" believe)

But thanks for the great example of conservative persecution complex.

How do current leftists (progressive Statists) believe all people are created equal when they constantly try to tribalize people and have those tribes fight each other to see who is the "most oppressed" and thus by their logic who's opinion carries more weight?

Tribalism is when Roy Moore is supported despite his shady past.
Tribalism is when Gianforte wins after assaulting reporter.

Where have those Roy Moore accusations and accusers gone since they accomplished their mission?

If he's going broke, those accusers must be doing something.

 

[martybegan]

Do you ever see liberals cutting the leftists off at some point, or if they do, will it be too late?

Reminds me of the quote.

"First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for the Dims, and I laughed my arse off."

Well, that was sort of the quote. I changed it a bit.

It must be a terrible inconvenience for you that the declaration of indpendance says, "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights..."

(this actually what "leftists" believe)

But thanks for the great example of conservative persecution complex.

How do current leftists (progressive Statists) believe all people are created equal when they constantly try to tribalize people and have those tribes fight each other to see who is the "most oppressed" and thus by their logic who's opinion carries more weight?

Tribalism is when Roy Moore is supported despite his shady past.
Tribalism is when Gianforte wins after assaulting reporter.

Where have those Roy Moore accusations and accusers gone since they accomplished their mission?

If he's going broke, those accusers must be doing something.

So defending yourself is now a indication of guilt?