Jindal: End "Dumbed Down Conservatism"

[jillian]

The case for creating a path to citizenship is purely pragmatic.
They are here. They aren't going anywhere.
We need the tax revenue.

I don't favor outright amnesty. I think a penalty for entering here illegally must be paid. Otherwise you essentially penalize those who did it the right way.

I think you set a monetary penalty that is not so high that you encourage them to just stay underground. They get work visas as long as they are paying down the penalty. When the penalty is fully paid, they can apply for citizenship.

You use the money collected through the penalty to secure our borders so to protect against terrorist infiltration and to ensure we don't find ourselves in this exact same boat in 30 years.
That's MHO.

why should someone who was brought here as a child "pay" for something they didn't choose?

 

[nodoginnafight]

The case for creating a path to citizenship is purely pragmatic.
They are here. They aren't going anywhere.
We need the tax revenue.

I don't favor outright amnesty. I think a penalty for entering here illegally must be paid. Otherwise you essentially penalize those who did it the right way.

I think you set a monetary penalty that is not so high that you encourage them to just stay underground. They get work visas as long as they are paying down the penalty. When the penalty is fully paid, they can apply for citizenship.

You use the money collected through the penalty to secure our borders so to protect against terrorist infiltration and to ensure we don't find ourselves in this exact same boat in 30 years.
That's MHO.

why should someone who was brought here as a child "pay" for something they didn't choose?

The child doesn't pay the penalty. The parent who brought them here illegally does. Did you think I ment for a four-year-old to "work off" a penalty?

 

[nodoginnafight]

That is good GOP thinking, nodoginafight, even if you are not Republican: makes a lot of sense.

Thanks

 

[jillian]

The case for creating a path to citizenship is purely pragmatic.
They are here. They aren't going anywhere.
We need the tax revenue.

I don't favor outright amnesty. I think a penalty for entering here illegally must be paid. Otherwise you essentially penalize those who did it the right way.

I think you set a monetary penalty that is not so high that you encourage them to just stay underground. They get work visas as long as they are paying down the penalty. When the penalty is fully paid, they can apply for citizenship.

You use the money collected through the penalty to secure our borders so to protect against terrorist infiltration and to ensure we don't find ourselves in this exact same boat in 30 years.
That's MHO.

why should someone who was brought here as a child "pay" for something they didn't choose?

The child doesn't pay the penalty. The parent who brought them here illegally does. Did you think I ment for a four-year-old to "work off" a penalty?

i didn't know what you meant. that's why i asked.

but the people who were brought here, at least under the dream act, as it's been discussed, are up to 30 years old now.

 

[nodoginnafight]

why should someone who was brought here as a child "pay" for something they didn't choose?

The child doesn't pay the penalty. The parent who brought them here illegally does. Did you think I ment for a four-year-old to "work off" a penalty?

i didn't know what you meant. that's why i asked.

but the people who were brought here, at least under the dream act, as it's been discussed, are up to 30 years old now.

Then they have made a decision of their own by now. To stay here illegally. I don't blame them - this is the only home they've ever known. But becoming a full-fledged citizen of the United States of America is worth something isn't it?

As I said, I wouldn't favor anything too high. But failure to enact at least some small penalty - no matter how small - is a slap in the face to those who made the sacrifices necessary to do it the right way.

 

[LAfrique]

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So is Jindal next under the bus, or does the party listen?

Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal on Monday called on Republicans to “stop being the stupid party” and make a concerted effort to reach a broader swath of voters with an inclusive economic message that pre-empts efforts to caricature the GOP as the party of the rich.

In his first interview since his party’s electoral thumping last week, Jindal urged Republicans to both reject anti-intellectualism and embrace a populist-tinged reform approach that he said would mitigate what exit polls show was one of President Barack Obama’s most effective lines of attack against Mitt Romney.

Jindal: End 'dumbed-down conservatism' - Jonathan Martin - POLITICO.com

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I think problem with the republican party is that:

1). It is very disdainful of opinion not its own,


2). It thinks certain people should not be privileged to certain knowledge, and


3). It believes women are to be treated like furniture with no right to opinion.

 

[JakeStarkey]

That is certain people, primarily men, on the far right of the party. They are being discounted and outed.

 

[Pheonixops]

Indeed, Limbaugh, Hannity, Levin, Beck and many of the anti-GOP wannabee cons are division pimps.

Most definitely.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

I totally agree the GOP needs to change.. they need to jettison the Rove's, etc. What Jindal is calling for is for the GOP to start pandering to minorities, being even more like the Dems, etc.

We already have one Democratic party, we don't need a second.

Hmm, I didn't read it that way.

I've seen a lot of republicans post that change = pandering. I don't see it that way, and I 100% don't think the GOP needs to pander to get minority votes. I do think they need to be more welcoming, harsher on the more extreme parts of their party, and package the message better.

IMO, the republican message is a good one and one that can resonate with minorites if other issues didn't keep getting in the way.

See, here's the problem. We are welcoming... why wouldn't we be? The left has been fairly successful in portraying the GOP as an all white party of Aryans. It a lie.. we are white, we are native Americans, we are Latino, etc.

In turn, what has the left done for minorities? Basically promised them free stuff, we're gonna tax whitey, give millions amnesty, and tell blacks that the GOP will put you back in chains.

Its all a lie but apparently it sells well... I don't claim to understand why these lies sell so well...

That’s an example of the ignorant idiocy that will continue to lose you elections.

 

[Pheonixops]

You know when LIBRUL Zombies love a republican, to run..

Bobby Jindal doesn't speak for anyone but himself.

Bobby's a ... ah...he's a ... RINO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

LMAO. Watching the Republican Party move further right is funny, watching when they fall of the fringe and join the Whigs can't happen too soon. Then the party of Lincoln, TR and IKE can resirrect and get on with the people's business and the wackadoodles can run around in 18th century garb, waving the stars and bars, a cross, and of course, their AW.

It is pretty funny to see the lunatic fringe of that party throw their once "golden boys" under the bus when they start articulating their own thoughts instead of either be silent to or parroting the lunatic fringe talk points. The most recent ones started with General Powell, Governor Steele, Governor Christie, Governor Jindal, Bloomberg, etc. Next will possibly be Rubio. Anyone see a pattern? It looks like pretty much the voting blocs they are losing. Add free thinking intelligent Republican/Libertarian types, all that's left is the asshole neocon hypocrite (Limbaugh, hannity, levin, cunningham) wing of the party and the evangelical wing.

 

[Pheonixops]

You know when LIBRUL Zombies love a republican, to run..

Bobby Jindal doesn't speak for anyone but himself.

"Sane" Republicans

Romney
Jindal
Christie
Bush
Daniels
Rubio

"Whacko fringe"

Bachmann
Santorum
Paul
West
King
Mourdock
Akin
Walsh

"Division Pimps". Interesting.

Nobody is happier with the outcome than those assholes.

you are exactly who bobby is talking about.

They cant win elections by pandering to your stupid ideas

LOL, true!

 

[Pheonixops]

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So is Jindal next under the bus, or does the party listen?

Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal on Monday called on Republicans to “stop being the stupid party” and make a concerted effort to reach a broader swath of voters with an inclusive economic message that pre-empts efforts to caricature the GOP as the party of the rich.

In his first interview since his party’s electoral thumping last week, Jindal urged Republicans to both reject anti-intellectualism and embrace a populist-tinged reform approach that he said would mitigate what exit polls show was one of President Barack Obama’s most effective lines of attack against Mitt Romney.

Jindal: End 'dumbed-down conservatism' - Jonathan Martin - POLITICO.com

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Jindal is stupid you tea party people. Double down. The reason you lost is because you were not far enough to the right. This time before 2014 go full racist. Come out of the closet at work and in business.

 

[Erand7899]

Jindall outs the thinking of GuyPinestra, freewill, LGS, Rottweiler, Uncensored, Daveman, bigrebnc, and dozens of other posters here, all the type of people Jindall believes is dumbing down the GOP.

As a true Republican, I am going to Jindall these freaks when they talk stupid.

What nonsense! What we need in the Republican party are fewer Jindalls and more Marco Rubios. We also need more intelligent party leaders, less concerned with getting marginal Republicans elected, and more concerned with educating American voters about where the party really stands on the issues.

Republicans are not losing elections because of conservatism, but because we have fielded less than stellar candidates who don't really believe in conservatism.

Obama won this election because both he and the Democrat party began campaigning four years ago, and never let up. Democrat political leaders do not give a tinker's damn about governing for a stronger America. They want power, and they are willing to do anything to get it and keep it.

 

[Erand7899]

We are overwhelmingly white, Soggy.

2 of 3 single women voted Dem, 55 of 100 women voted Dem, 70 of 100 Hispanics voted Dem, 95% of blacks voted Dem, Asians overwhelming voted Dem.

Who do you think overwhelmingly voted GOP?

Reaching out to women and minorities on their issues is not pandering.

Of course, the Republican party needs to reach out to women and minorities, but not by compromising the principles of the party. The Republican party needs to convince all groups that conservative principles lead to better results for them and their children than liberal/socialist principles do.

 

[Erand7899]

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So is Jindal next under the bus, or does the party listen?

Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal on Monday called on Republicans to “stop being the stupid party” and make a concerted effort to reach a broader swath of voters with an inclusive economic message that pre-empts efforts to caricature the GOP as the party of the rich.

In his first interview since his party’s electoral thumping last week, Jindal urged Republicans to both reject anti-intellectualism and embrace a populist-tinged reform approach that he said would mitigate what exit polls show was one of President Barack Obama’s most effective lines of attack against Mitt Romney.

Jindal: End 'dumbed-down conservatism' - Jonathan Martin - POLITICO.com

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what does he mean? he want to give them all the abortions they want, all the free stuff they want? what? maybe we should spray paint our selves brown.

You are another example of the people Jindal is talking about.


You and your ilk are why the republican party can not win a national election.

Wow, the Republicans lost two elections in a row, and are therefore unable to win another national election. Did you hold the same opinion about Democrats after George Bush kicked their asses twice? Or, after Democrats lost three elections in a row to Reagan and Bush Sr?

There is little doubt in my mind that Romney should have won this election easily, considering the mess that Obama has made of the economy. Consequently, we need to figure out why he didn't win and fix it. We do not need to go into a bidding war with the Democrats for the various voting blocs. We do need to sell the conservative message to as many Americans, of all interest groups, as possible. I firmly believe that is where we failed in the last two elections.

 

[Erand7899]

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Also from the piece:

“It is no secret we had a number of Republicans damage our brand this year with offensive, bizarre comments — enough of that,” Jindal said. “It’s not going to be the last time anyone says something stupid within our party, but it can’t be tolerated within our party. We’ve also had enough of this dumbed-down conservatism. We need to stop being simplistic, we need to trust the intelligence of the American people and we need to stop insulting the intelligence of the voters.”

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maybe it's that we've had enough of extremists...and the GOP's extremists have taken over the party??

which begs the question... what do you do with a party that's been hijacked, mac?

One man's extremist is another man's moderate. It all depends on your view of the issues.

Limited government is not extremist.

Fiscal restraint, and living within a budget is not extremist.

Saving the free enterprise system is not extremist.

Maintaining a strong defense is not extremist.

Promoting a good business economic environment is not extremist.

Expecting competent and able adults to take care of their own needs is not extremist.

Expecting government to treat all citizens equally is not extremist.

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

In turn, what has the left done for minorities? Basically promised them free stuff, we're gonna tax whitey, give millions amnesty, and tell blacks that the GOP will put you back in chains.

Keep telling the blacks that it will get them to vote Republican.

 

[Erand7899]

I totally agree the GOP needs to change.. they need to jettison the Rove's, etc. What Jindal is calling for is for the GOP to start pandering to minorities, being even more like the Dems, etc.

We already have one Democratic party, we don't need a second.

Hmm, I didn't read it that way.

I've seen a lot of republicans post that change = pandering. I don't see it that way, and I 100% don't think the GOP needs to pander to get minority votes. I do think they need to be more welcoming, harsher on the more extreme parts of their party, and package the message better.

IMO, the republican message is a good one and one that can resonate with minorites if other issues didn't keep getting in the way.

See, here's the problem. We are welcoming... why wouldn't we be? The left has been fairly successful in portraying the GOP as an all white party of Aryans. It a lie.. we are white, we are native Americans, we are Latino, etc.

In turn, what has the left done for minorities? Basically promised them free stuff, we're gonna tax whitey, give millions amnesty, and tell blacks that the GOP will put you back in chains.

Its all a lie but apparently it sells well... I don't claim to understand why these lies sell so well...

Those lies sell well because they are not properly challenged by the Republican party, except at election time, and by then, the lies have become part of the myth. The myth is what caused Romney to lose this election, not conservative principles.

Republicans in Washington have failed to realize that Democrats in Washington have not been attempting to govern for many years now. They are continually in the campaign mode, and every legislative initiative they put forth is designed for that purpose. That is why they have not even bothered passing a budget for the last three years. That doesn't get them any votes.

 

[JakeStarkey]

I am not talking economics. We are talking family, reproductive rights, same-sex rights to treated the same as everyone else, protecting the middle class.

The angry far right whitemenistan nonsense has to end.

We are overwhelmingly white, Soggy.

2 of 3 single women voted Dem, 55 of 100 women voted Dem, 70 of 100 Hispanics voted Dem, 95% of blacks voted Dem, Asians overwhelming voted Dem.

Who do you think overwhelmingly voted GOP?

Reaching out to women and minorities on their issues is not pandering.

Of course, the Republican party needs to reach out to women and minorities, but not by compromising the principles of the party. The Republican party needs to convince all groups that conservative principles lead to better results for them and their children than liberal/socialist principles do.

 

[Mac1958]

Limited government is not extremist.

Fiscal restraint, and living within a budget is not extremist.

Saving the free enterprise system is not extremist.

Maintaining a strong defense is not extremist.

Promoting a good business economic environment is not extremist.

Expecting competent and able adults to take care of their own needs is not extremist.

Expecting government to treat all citizens equally is not extremist.

I agree with all of the above.

But what today's GOP doesn't seem to understand is this: What IS "extremist" is demanding that everyone agree you 100% on everything, my way or the highway; making candidates sign "pledges" that they will not bend an inch; making "compromise" a dirty word.

Promoting your issues to the best of your ability and then cooperating to find a workable solution is not extremist. Refusing to bend an inch while the boat sinks is.

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