Jewish Dems Start to Abandon Obama

[oreo]

Hopefully this will happen all we need is enough Jews to switch and vote against Obama in a few key states, FL, OH, MI Ect.. If this happens Obama will lose.

The spin about Obama showing Israel “tough love” isn’t convincing people primarily because, unlike Democratic leaders of the past whose affection for Israel was not doubted, many Jews have been forced to come to the conclusion the president simply does not have the same warm feelings for Israel most Americans share.

Democrats are right to mock Jewish Republicans who predict a shift in Jewish voting patterns every four years. But the problem the Democrats face doesn’t stem from the fact the GOP has become a pro-Israel stronghold. The threat to the Democrats’ stranglehold on the Jewish vote comes from their own party’s leader.

It bears repeating the record 40 percent of the Jewish vote Ronald Reagan garnered in 1980 had more to do with Jimmy Carter’s hostility to Israel than his own appeal. Carter’s loyalists tried to convince Jews of his support back then too, but large numbers didn’t buy it. The same may be true of Obama. It’s true most Jewish Democrats are not one-issue voters and many truly would never vote for a Republican. But few are being fooled by Democratic attempts to get them to ignore their own gut feelings about the president. The Democrats are bleeding Jewish support and fundraising. The only question now is how great the decline in Jewish votes for Obama will be next year.

Jewish Dems Start to Abandon Obama « Commentary Magazine

NO kidding.

 

[CitizenPained]

This is anti-Semitism. Period.

The Jewish answer to everything::

Guy cut you off in the left lane: He is anti-semitic

Paperboy late with your newspaper: He is anti-semitic

Woman moves ahead of you in the checkout line: She is anti-semitic

Fill in the blank ...............: They are anti-semitic

Sunni's answer to everything:

and

 

[CitizenPained]

for 2600 years the jews have been dispersed, now under normal conditions it only takes about 400 years for a people to cease to exist as a race but not so with the jews.kinda makes you wonder how that could be.. have you ever met a Hitite or a sumerian? they were around at the same time as the jews. now suddenly Jews are back in the promised land just as God had said they would be.. read ezekiel 37 pretty good stuff

Well, technically, they went from being Hebrews to Israelites to Judeans to Jews, and mostly, what we know of their history is what they write themselves, which means I'm sure they've left out the bad parts (like the Israelites were probably not monotheistic, nor was Yahweh the dominant diety.)

And it's not like they've "racially" kept pure. The Israelis are a European, not a middle eastern people. They only thing they've maintained is their religion, and even that they've changed. They aren't stoning adulterers like the Bible says they should.

As for what God said, God says a lot of stuff in the bible. And most religious people are ignorant of it. If more people read the bible, we'd have more atheists.

Read Psalms 137:9. Pretty horrid stuff.

It is no secret that early Hebrews weren't entirely monotheistic. They thought Ha-Shem was the dominant god, not the only one.

See: The Golden Calf.

It's also not a secret that the majority if Jews in the world, Israel and abroad, are secular humanists/nationalists.

It's also certainly not a secret that Israel was founded by secular socialists.

...but if you don't know these things, it's easy to spout ignorant drivel.

 

[CitizenPained]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGs75M5LpPc&feature=related]‪Israel - 4 minute history‬‏ - YouTube[/ame]

 

[Baruch Menachem]

The Republicans who are getting the most noise are the ones that Jews just wont vote for. Palin? Bachman? Romney? Cain?

Unless and until Obama talks into an open live mike and says he wants to reopen Auschwitz, he will get 95% of the jewish vote because the Republicans on offer frighten them more on domestic policy issues.

I think the Jewish vote in 2012 is in play the same way the Jewish vote was in play in 1980. There were a host of issues that mattered to everyone, and while large numbers of Jewish voters peeled away, Reagan still got only 15%

Jews like everyone else are upset with a perpetual unemployment rate, goofy gas prices, and embarrassing schools. However, the nation as a whole don't blame Obama for those issues yet. That could change in a heartbeat, and I am wondering when people will start holding Obama responsible for what is going on during his watch. As yet, there is no real move.

 

[CitizenPained]

Jews only vote like 70-75 per cent Democrat anyway.

If Israel went to war and somehow it looked like Obama's fault, I could see a shift or a 'leave the space blank' protest vote. Every major Jewish community center/synagogue/organization has had talks and lectures on the current situation and Obama's response to the PA statehood bid.

If Abbas gets his 'state' via proxy in September and it results in warfare of some kind, it will make Obama look really bad.

Brezenski doesn't scare me. Obama's impatience and lack of understanding scares me.

 

[CitizenPained]

oh, and yes:

I think the US is willing to live with a nuclear Iran.

Israel is not.

 

[shintao]

Actually most European and Israeli Jews are Ashkenazi.

Their ancestors were from the Khazar people of Central Asia.

Who were converts to Judaism and have no ancestral connection to the middle east or ancient Israel.

So for them to claim they are going "back"to the land of their forefathers is absurd

Because their forefathers never set foot in the so-called Promised Land

Sunni boy, I smacked you down on this stupidity many times since I came to this board. Now you have another loon on here and you start it again? You’re a joke boy, I don't know why anybody here takes you seriously.

You are an idiot, and quite confused dude. No one thinks like you do, cept another jew boy.

For the original population, as distinct from today's Jewish population (see above): Currently biblical scholars recognize three possible scenarios explaining Israel's rise to power in Canaan:

1. the Conquest theory: that Israelites came in from the outside and conquered the land;

2. the Peaceful Settlement theory: in which it is argued that Israelites entered gradually, settling in the sparsely populated areas of the central highlands; and

3. the Peasant Revolt or Social Revolution theory: that Canaanites rose up against their overlords. see link The Problem of Israel's Origin

Read more: Where did the Jewish people originate

 

[CitizenPained]

Jroc never said that the Biblical account of the Hebrews' origin was true, nor did he talk about absorption of other peoples by the Israelites.

He said that it's been proven that Ashkenazim are descended from Semitic peoples, eg, Kohen gene.

But even if we weren't, it doesn't matter. Before the turn of the 20th century, most Jews outside of the U.S. didn't have citizenship in their resident states. Before the Civil Rights Act, Jews in the U.S. were still largely discriminated against. We are a nation because the world -from Iraq to France- insisted that we stay apart from everyone else.

Because the British Mandate wasn't a nation or even a semi-autonomous one (or even largely populated), it was wide open for settlement. Being that Eretz Yisrael has always meant something to Jews over the last 2,000 years, it made sense.

I'm Jewish, but my right to Israel is a legal one: the Israeli government says so.

 

[CitizenPained]

plus...archeology is on our side.

 

[JoeB131]

It is no secret that early Hebrews weren't entirely monotheistic. They thought Ha-Shem was the dominant god, not the only one.

See: The Golden Calf.

It's also not a secret that the majority if Jews in the world, Israel and abroad, are secular humanists/nationalists.

It's also certainly not a secret that Israel was founded by secular socialists.

...but if you don't know these things, it's easy to spout ignorant drivel.

Gee, all of those things I've already said, guy. Not sure what your point is.

Reality is, most Jews abroad don't care about Israel that much. Obama got 78% of the Jewish vote in 2008, and he'll probably do as well in 2012 with them. (I still think he'll lose, because whites, hispanic and Asians will be tired of his nonsense.)

 

[Sunni Man]

plus...archeology is on our side.

Yea, Zionist archaeology.

 

[Jroc]

The Republicans who are getting the most noise are the ones that Jews just wont vote for. Palin? Bachman? Romney? Cain?

Unless and until Obama talks into an open live mike and says he wants to reopen Auschwitz, he will get 95% of the jewish vote because the Republicans on offer frighten them more on domestic policy issues.

I think the Jewish vote in 2012 is in play the same way the Jewish vote was in play in 1980. There were a host of issues that mattered to everyone, and while large numbers of Jewish voters peeled away, Reagan still got only 15%

Jews like everyone else are upset with a perpetual unemployment rate, goofy gas prices, and embarrassing schools. However, the nation as a whole don't blame Obama for those issues yet. That could change in a heartbeat, and I am wondering when people will start holding Obama responsible for what is going on during his watch. As yet, there is no real move.

I don't know what’s wrong with you lately? But Reagan got 40% of the Jewish vote and no one has ever gotten 95%, you much have gotten Jews confused with African Americans, Although I must say those numbers are still sad to me. Another thing I will say is that if Obama is reelected he no longer needs the Jewish vote, that is when he will screw Israel and the Jews with some stupid peace deal at Israel's expense, hopefully we won't have to deal with that with Obama's defeat.

 

[Sunni Man]

That's why I am encouraging everyone to vote for Obama.

After he wins in 2012

He is going to hold Israel's Zionist feet to the fire and force them to change.

And he will have 4 nice long years to do it.

 

[Jroc]

Jroc never said that the Biblical account of the Hebrews' origin was true, nor did he talk about absorption of other peoples by the Israelites.

He said that it's been proven that Ashkenazim are descended from Semitic peoples, eg, Kohen gene.

But even if we weren't, it doesn't matter. Before the turn of the 20th century, most Jews outside of the U.S. didn't have citizenship in their resident states. Before the Civil Rights Act, Jews in the U.S. were still largely discriminated against. We are a nation because the world -from Iraq to France- insisted that we stay apart from everyone else.

Because the British Mandate wasn't a nation or even a semi-autonomous one (or even largely populated), it was wide open for settlement. Being that Eretz Yisrael has always meant something to Jews over the last 2,000 years, it made sense.

I'm Jewish, but my right to Israel is a legal one: the Israeli government says so.

Yep.. here is another genetic study on all Jews not just Kohanim of which i am a part of there are many such studies...

The DNA of Abraham’s Children


Jews have historically considered themselves “people of the book” (am hasefer in Hebrew), referring to sacred tomes, but the phrase is turning out to have an equally powerful, if unintended, meaning: scientists are able to read Jewish genomes like a history book. The latest DNA volume weighs in on the controversial, centuries-old (and now revived in a 2008 book) claim that European Jews are all the descendants of Khazars, a Turkic group of the north Caucasus who converted to Judaism in the late eighth and early ninth century. The DNA has spoken: no.

In the wake of studies in the 1990s that supported biblically based notions of a priestly caste descended from Aaron, brother of Moses, an ambitious new project to analyze genomes collected from Jewish volunteers has yielded its first discoveries. In a paper with the kind of catchy title you rarely see in science journals—“Abraham’s Children in the Genome Era”—scientists report that the Jews of the Diaspora share a set of telltale genetic markers, supporting the traditional belief that Jews scattered around the world have a common ancestry. But various Diaspora populations have their own distinct genetic signatures, shedding light on their origins and history. In addition to the age-old question of whether Jews are simply people who share a religion or are a distinct population, the scientific verdict is settling on the latter.

Although the origin of the Jews has been traced, archeologically, to the Middle East in the second millennium B.C.E., what happened next has been more opaque. To sort it out, researchers collected DNA from Iranian, Iraqi, Syrian, and Ashkenazi Jews around New York City; Turkish Sephardic Jews in Seattle; Greek Sephardic Jews in Thessaloniki and Athens; and Italian Jews in Rome as part of the Jewish HapMap Project. (All four grandparents of each participant had to have come from the same community.) As the scientists will report in the next issue of the American Journal of Human Genetics, the analysis shows that “each of the Jewish populations formed its own distinctive cluster, indicating the shared ancestry and relative genetic isolation of the members of each of those groups.”

Jewish populations, that is, have retained their genetic coherence just as they have retained their cultural and religious traditions, despite migrations from the Middle East into Europe, North Africa, and beyond over the centuries, says geneticist Harry Ostrer of NYU Langone Medical Center, who led the study. Each Diaspora group has distinctive genetic features “representative of each group’s genetic history,” he says, but each also “shares a set of common genetic threads” dating back to their common origin in the Middle East. “Each of the Jewish populations formed its own distinctive cluster, indicating the shared ancestry and relative genetic isolation of the members of each of those groups.”

What We Can Learn From the Jewish Genome - Newsweek

 

[Jroc]

That's why I am encouraging everyone to vote for Obama.

After he wins in 2012

He is going to hold Israel's Zionist feet to the fire and force them to change.

And he will have 4 nice long years to do it.

As said you're a fraud boy acting like conservative, acting like a patriotic American, acting like a Vietnam vet!! Fraud

 

[Sunni Man]

That's why I am encouraging everyone to vote for Obama.

After he wins in 2012

He is going to hold Israel's Zionist feet to the fire and force them to change.

And he will have 4 nice long years to do it.

As said you're a fraud boy acting like conservative, acting like a patriotic American, acting like a Vietnam vet!! Fraud

Think whatever you want.

But I am doing everything within my power to help Obama get elected.

Then Israel will be toast.

 

[Baruch Menachem]

plus...archeology is on our side.

It is a long standing legal tradition that if you fail to maintain your possession of a property, then title is extinguished.

I am not willing to have a bunch of random Mohawk indians claim Manhattan based on the fact that the fact it was theirs first, and second, the indians who sold the land to the Dutch in the first place didn't have clear title anyway.

 

[thereisnospoon]

This is anti-Semitism. Period.

The Jewish answer to everything::

Guy cut you off in the left lane: He is anti-semitic

Paperboy late with your newspaper: He is anti-semitic

Woman moves ahead of you in the checkout line: She is anti-semitic

Fill in the blank ...............: They are anti-semitic

Classic!
You don't get to make excuses for hate.

 

[CitizenPained]

plus...archeology is on our side.

It is a long standing legal tradition that if you fail to maintain your possession of a property, then title is extinguished.

I am not willing to have a bunch of random Mohawk indians claim Manhattan based on the fact that the fact it was theirs first, and second, the indians who sold the land to the Dutch in the first place didn't have clear title anyway.

I donno if you missed where I said that Israel was 'mine' because the Israeli government said so, not because God said so...? Kind of like how I am a citizen of Colorado not because I believe in Manifest Destiny, but because Colorado is part of a sovereign nation.



Archeology is on our side re: yes, we existed there, and yes, so did King Solomon's temple.