Jesus on Marriage...

[mal]

i don't define my marriage by what other people do or don't do.



you should try it.

That's all fine... This is an expansion on a Debate from another Thread and it's Specific to Christians or those Claiming the Faith Based on the Bible.

It is not about Proving Facts or saying that Homosexuality is Right or Wrong outside of Christianity.

If you are not a Christian and don't follow Jesus and the Book, then this Thread probably doesn't Concern you.



peace...

is next week muslim week?

Is something going to be in the News that Festers Debate in Places like this?...

Barry "coming out" on Gay Marriage was pretty much the Catalyst for the Current Run of Gay Threads.

Did you want the White House's Number?

You know, because I'm the one who made Race an Issue in the Trayvon Case...

It certainly wasn't the Dishonest Media that made Race the Issue.

Yep, someone has already gone down this road del.



peace...

 

[del]

is that a yes or a no?

if you can't do a muslim one, how about one on the evils of the associated press?

 

[Buford]

In Matthew 19, Jesus said marriage was a man and a woman.

“Haven’t you read,” he replied, “that at the beginning the Creator ‘made them male and female,’ and said, ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh’. So they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate.”

 

[del]

Boston court: Defense of Marriage Act unconstitutional - BostonHerald.com

praise jesus!

 

[mal]

is that a yes or a no?

if you can't do a muslim one, how about one on the evils of the associated press?

The AP is boring... The Bias is Abject and Observing it in print gets pointlessly Redundant.

As for Muslims... We'll have to see what the News does with the next event.

They aren't really Headlining right now del.

I could Observe that the Face Eating Bath Salt Cannibal was Black and his Victim was White like the Media did in the Reverse over Trayvon...

You like that one?



peace...

 

[del]

Boston court: Defense of Marriage Act unconstitutional - BostonHerald.com

praise jesus!

 

[mal]

del... This is the you that's not entertaining.

If you don't want to Discuss Jesus and Marriage in the Religion and Ethics Forum, then go over to the Flame and Troll.



peace...

 

[del]

you're not the boss of me

praise jesus!

 

[Buford]

you're not the boss of me

praise jesus!

That's what the little girl across the street says....."you're not the boss of me".

 

[mal]

you're not the boss of me

praise jesus!

That's what the little girl across the street says....."you're not the boss of me".

Why are you Bossing around Girls from around the way?...



peace...

 

[mal]

I am NOT for the Government Defining Marriage on anyone's Religious Beliefs, this is simply to Address those who Feel that Jesus was Pro-Gay or Pro-Gay Marriage...

“Have you not read that He who made them at the beginning ‘made them male and female,’ and said, ‘For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh’? So then, they are no longer two but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let not man separate.” - Matthew 19:4-6.

Jesus is pretty damned Clear on what Marriage is...

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What I am going to need from the "Jesus was not a Homophobe" Crowd here @ USMB is a couple of things...

Where Jesus Reverses the Consistent References of Sin and Abomination regarding Homosexuality throughout the Old and New Testaments.

"For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due."
—Romans 1:26-27 (NKJV)

"Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God."
—1 Corinthians 6:9-10 (NKJV)

"Knowing this: that the law is not made for a righteous person, but for the lawless and insubordinate, for the ungodly and for sinners, for the unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, for fornicators, for sodomites, for kidnappers, for liars, for perjurers, and if there is any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine,"
—1 Timothy 1:9-10 (NKJV)

And that's not even touching Leviticus where Homosexuality is Spoken of Harsher than Beastiality.

Leviticus 18. The Holy Bible: King James Version.

21 And thou shalt not let any of thy seed pass through the fire to Molech, neither shalt thou profane the name of thy God: Lev. 20.1-5 I am the LORD.

22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination. Lev. 20.13

23 Neither shalt thou lie with any beast to defile thyself therewith: neither shall any woman stand before a beast to lie down thereto: it is confusion. Ex. 22.19 · Lev. 20.15, 16 · Deut. 27.21

24 ¶ Defile not ye yourselves in any of these things: for in all these the nations are defiled which I cast out before you:

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^That is Moral Law... It makes no Reference in 18 to what you can and can't eat... That was Jewish Cerimonial Law so save that Line.

Jesus didn't come here to Condone Sin... And Homosexuals can't make an Assumption that the "Sin" and "Abomination" that Homosexuality is called 100% of the time it's Referenced in the Bible was somehow OK with Jesus because he told us not to Judge...

The one who conquers will have this heritage, and I will be his God and he will be my son. But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death.” Revelation 21:7-8 ESV

Jesus was Clear... And we are not to Condone Sin nor Hate the Sinner but it is Absurd for Homosexuals to expect the Christian Church to Embrace what is so Clearly Sin in the Eyes of God, and what's more, to give it Sanction in Marriage.

I've given plenty of Reference... Now make the case that Jesus was Pro-Gay Marriage and that somehow when he was Referring to Man and Wife as God Designed it, he really meant whatever Coupling of Human Gender you please or that feels good to you.

I'll be here.



peace...

Into two pages and still not dealt with.

Jesus Defined Marriage for Christians...

Jesus was not Pro-Gay nor Pro-Gay Marriage.

He would have wanted Homosexuals to not Engage in the "Sin" and "Abomination" that is Consistently Referenced in both the Old and New Testaments and to Acknowledge that it in Fact is Sin if you are a Christian.

He would have wanted you to Marry as Defined by his Father and Repeated by him... Man and Woman.

Having Concluded the Obvious, none of this matters if you are not a Christian.

But don't Claim that Jesus would have Embraced Sin because it makes you Feel better about yourself and your Defiance of your Natural Design.

He would not have and there is ZERO Evidence to Counter that Conclusion.

Acknowledge that your Lifestyle is a Sin and go about stopping it or find another Religion.

It's really not that Difficult.

Just don't Lie about it.

Lying makes the Baby Jesus Cry.



peace...

 

[Ravi]

Jesus was against divorce.

He never opined on gay marriage.

Thread fail.

 

[del]

you're not the boss of me

praise jesus!

That's what the little girl across the street says....."you're not the boss of me".

what does your probation officer say?

 

[mal]

Jesus was against divorce.

He never opined on gay marriage.

Thread fail.

He also Defined Marriage per his Father as Man and Wife.

Retort Fail.



peace...

 

[del]

render unto caesar the things that are caesar's, and unto god the things that are god's.

premise fail

 

[mal]

Jesus was against divorce.

He never opined on gay marriage.

Thread fail.

Using Ravi's Failed "logic" any Sin or Abomination not Directly Referenced by God’s Son is no longer a Sin or Abomination…

And in FACT should be Embraced and put on Equal Footing with what Jesus Defined as Marriage according to his Father.

Pure Idiocy.



peace...

 

[mal]

render unto caesar the things that are caesar's, and unto god the things that are god's.

premise fail

Try again.



peace...

 

[Buford]

you're not the boss of me

praise jesus!

That's what the little girl across the street says....."you're not the boss of me".

Why are you Bossing around Girls from around the way?...



peace...

She says that to her brother.

 

[Buford]

Jesus was against divorce.

He never opined on gay marriage.

Thread fail.

That's because there was no such thing as "gay marriage". Jesus also didn't opine on cars, rocket ships, condos, Alaska cruises, television, radio, and DVDs. Duh!!

 

[Buford]

you're not the boss of me

praise jesus!

That's what the little girl across the street says....."you're not the boss of me".

what does your probation officer say?

"Del is a dipshit".