Jesus on Marriage...

[Amelia]

The Christ I see in the Bible would forgive homosexuals ... but not officiate at their wedding.

 

[Valerie]

I am NOT for the Government Defining Marriage on anyone's Religious Beliefs, this is simply to Address those who Feel that Jesus was Pro-Gay or Pro-Gay Marriage...

“Have you not read that He who made them at the beginning ‘made them male and female,’ and said, ‘For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh’? So then, they are no longer two but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let not man separate.” - Matthew 19:4-6.

Jesus is pretty damned Clear on what Marriage is...

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What I am going to need from the "Jesus was not a Homophobe" Crowd here @ USMB is a couple of things...

Where Jesus Reverses the Consistent References of Sin and Abomination regarding Homosexuality throughout the Old and New Testaments.

"For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due."
—Romans 1:26-27 (NKJV)

"Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God."
—1 Corinthians 6:9-10 (NKJV)

"Knowing this: that the law is not made for a righteous person, but for the lawless and insubordinate, for the ungodly and for sinners, for the unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, for fornicators, for sodomites, for kidnappers, for liars, for perjurers, and if there is any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine,"
—1 Timothy 1:9-10 (NKJV)

And that's not even touching Leviticus where Homosexuality is Spoken of Harsher than Beastiality.

Leviticus 18. The Holy Bible: King James Version.

21 And thou shalt not let any of thy seed pass through the fire to Molech, neither shalt thou profane the name of thy God: Lev. 20.1-5 I am the LORD.

22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination. Lev. 20.13

23 Neither shalt thou lie with any beast to defile thyself therewith: neither shall any woman stand before a beast to lie down thereto: it is confusion. Ex. 22.19 · Lev. 20.15, 16 · Deut. 27.21

24 ¶ Defile not ye yourselves in any of these things: for in all these the nations are defiled which I cast out before you:

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^That is Moral Law... It makes no Reference in 18 to what you can and can't eat... That was Jewish Cerimonial Law so save that Line.

Jesus didn't come here to Condone Sin... And Homosexuals can't make an Assumption that the "Sin" and "Abomination" that Homosexuality is called 100% of the time it's Referenced in the Bible was somehow OK with Jesus because he told us not to Judge...

The one who conquers will have this heritage, and I will be his God and he will be my son. But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death.” Revelation 21:7-8 ESV

Jesus was Clear... And we are not to Condone Sin nor Hate the Sinner but it is Absurd for Homosexuals to expect the Christian Church to Embrace what is so Clearly Sin in the Eyes of God, and what's more, to give it Sanction in Marriage.

I've given plenty of Reference... Now make the case that Jesus was Pro-Gay Marriage and that somehow when he was Referring to Man and Wife as God Designed it, he really meant whatever Coupling of Human Gender you please or that feels good to you.

I'll be here.



peace...

Into two pages and still not dealt with.

Jesus Defined Marriage for Christians...

Jesus was not Pro-Gay nor Pro-Gay Marriage.

He would have wanted Homosexuals to not Engage in the "Sin" and "Abomination" that is Consistently Referenced in both the Old and New Testaments and to Acknowledge that it in Fact is Sin if you are a Christian.

He would have wanted you to Marry as Defined by his Father and Repeated by him... Man and Woman.

Having Concluded the Obvious, none of this matters if you are not a Christian.

But don't Claim that Jesus would have Embraced Sin because it makes you Feel better about yourself and your Defiance of your Natural Design.

He would not have and there is ZERO Evidence to Counter that Conclusion.

Acknowledge that your Lifestyle is a Sin and go about stopping it or find another Religion.

It's really not that Difficult.

Just don't Lie about it.

Lying makes the Baby Jesus Cry.



peace...

Your flawed logic makes baby Jesus cry.



Jesus was certainly not "pro-gay marriage" but so what? He wasn't especially anti either.


What makes one sin measure more or less than another? Jesus never mentioned "sin" in relation to all sorts of relationships and contracts including "marriage"... There are many things Christians do which Jesus didn't go out of his way to mention, however "sinful"...

No, he did not REVERSE the "abominations" of the Old Testament, but again so what? Jesus did not teach us to condemn our neighbors, so why do you go out of your way to do it here...?

 

[Valerie]

Cute...

Doesn't Negate that Homosexual Coupling or Marriage is Incompatible with Christianity.

Take your Trolling to St. Elsewhere.



peace...

No, mal... You're wrong.


Sorry you can't handle that your logic is severely flawed and your OP is lame.





True Christians believe that Jesus died for ALL sinners.


"judge not lest ye be judged"

"You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye..."

And this is where you are either Blinded by the Agenda or simply being Dishonest...

Jesus did NOT Embrace Sin.

Homosexuality is Sin 100% of the time it is Referenced in the New and Old.

Jesus Loved the Sinners and Hated Sin.

Jesus would not have Embraced Homosexuality or Homosexual Marriage instead, as he did with ALL Sinners, he would have Tried to lead them away from the Sin and Abomination.

Jesus did NOT and would NOT Embrace Sin.

Until you show me in the Bible where it says anything other than that about Homosexuality you are Wrong.

"...if my people who are called by my name humble themselves, and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and heal their land."

Saying that Christ would Condone or Embrace Sin and Abomination in his Father's Eyes is about as False Prophet as you can get.

If you Consider yourself a Christian, I would Think long and hard before continuing to Mislead others with that Lie.

I mean that Sincerely.



peace...

YOU are the one with an agenda. Gay people are Citizens, just like you.


Ever notice how every single person who responds to you is dishonest?




How can you think of saying, 'Friend, let me help you get rid of that speck in your eye,' when you can't see past the log in your own eye? Hypocrite!

 

[Buford]

I am NOT for the Government Defining Marriage on anyone's Religious Beliefs, this is simply to Address those who Feel that Jesus was Pro-Gay or Pro-Gay Marriage...

“Have you not read that He who made them at the beginning ‘made them male and female,’ and said, ‘For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh’? So then, they are no longer two but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let not man separate.” - Matthew 19:4-6.

Jesus is pretty damned Clear on what Marriage is...

---

What I am going to need from the "Jesus was not a Homophobe" Crowd here @ USMB is a couple of things...

Where Jesus Reverses the Consistent References of Sin and Abomination regarding Homosexuality throughout the Old and New Testaments.

"For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due."
—Romans 1:26-27 (NKJV)

"Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God."
—1 Corinthians 6:9-10 (NKJV)

"Knowing this: that the law is not made for a righteous person, but for the lawless and insubordinate, for the ungodly and for sinners, for the unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, for fornicators, for sodomites, for kidnappers, for liars, for perjurers, and if there is any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine,"
—1 Timothy 1:9-10 (NKJV)

And that's not even touching Leviticus where Homosexuality is Spoken of Harsher than Beastiality.

Leviticus 18. The Holy Bible: King James Version.

21 And thou shalt not let any of thy seed pass through the fire to Molech, neither shalt thou profane the name of thy God: Lev. 20.1-5 I am the LORD.

22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination. Lev. 20.13

23 Neither shalt thou lie with any beast to defile thyself therewith: neither shall any woman stand before a beast to lie down thereto: it is confusion. Ex. 22.19 · Lev. 20.15, 16 · Deut. 27.21

24 ¶ Defile not ye yourselves in any of these things: for in all these the nations are defiled which I cast out before you:

---

^That is Moral Law... It makes no Reference in 18 to what you can and can't eat... That was Jewish Cerimonial Law so save that Line.

Jesus didn't come here to Condone Sin... And Homosexuals can't make an Assumption that the "Sin" and "Abomination" that Homosexuality is called 100% of the time it's Referenced in the Bible was somehow OK with Jesus because he told us not to Judge...

The one who conquers will have this heritage, and I will be his God and he will be my son. But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death.” Revelation 21:7-8 ESV

Jesus was Clear... And we are not to Condone Sin nor Hate the Sinner but it is Absurd for Homosexuals to expect the Christian Church to Embrace what is so Clearly Sin in the Eyes of God, and what's more, to give it Sanction in Marriage.

I've given plenty of Reference... Now make the case that Jesus was Pro-Gay Marriage and that somehow when he was Referring to Man and Wife as God Designed it, he really meant whatever Coupling of Human Gender you please or that feels good to you.

I'll be here.



peace...

Into two pages and still not dealt with.

Jesus Defined Marriage for Christians...

Jesus was not Pro-Gay nor Pro-Gay Marriage.

He would have wanted Homosexuals to not Engage in the "Sin" and "Abomination" that is Consistently Referenced in both the Old and New Testaments and to Acknowledge that it in Fact is Sin if you are a Christian.

He would have wanted you to Marry as Defined by his Father and Repeated by him... Man and Woman.

Having Concluded the Obvious, none of this matters if you are not a Christian.

But don't Claim that Jesus would have Embraced Sin because it makes you Feel better about yourself and your Defiance of your Natural Design.

He would not have and there is ZERO Evidence to Counter that Conclusion.

Acknowledge that your Lifestyle is a Sin and go about stopping it or find another Religion.

It's really not that Difficult.

Just don't Lie about it.

Lying makes the Baby Jesus Cry.



peace...

Your flawed logic makes baby Jesus cry.



Jesus was certainly not "pro-gay marriage" but so what? He wasn't especially anti either.


What makes one sin measure more or less than another? Jesus never mentioned "sin" in relation to all sorts of relationships and contracts including "marriage"... There are many things Christians do which Jesus didn't go out of his way to mention, however "sinful"...

No, he did not REVERSE the "abominations" of the Old Testament, but again so what? Jesus did not teach us to condemn our neighbors, so why do you go out of your way to do it here...?

Here's something for you to ponder. Romans and First Corinthians are written to Christians and both condemn homosexuality. The same Holy Spirit that wrote the Law, spoke through Jesus and spoke as Paul wrote it down. That's the belief of Christians.

 

[Valerie]

Into two pages and still not dealt with.

Jesus Defined Marriage for Christians...

Jesus was not Pro-Gay nor Pro-Gay Marriage.

He would have wanted Homosexuals to not Engage in the "Sin" and "Abomination" that is Consistently Referenced in both the Old and New Testaments and to Acknowledge that it in Fact is Sin if you are a Christian.

He would have wanted you to Marry as Defined by his Father and Repeated by him... Man and Woman.

Having Concluded the Obvious, none of this matters if you are not a Christian.

But don't Claim that Jesus would have Embraced Sin because it makes you Feel better about yourself and your Defiance of your Natural Design.

He would not have and there is ZERO Evidence to Counter that Conclusion.

Acknowledge that your Lifestyle is a Sin and go about stopping it or find another Religion.

It's really not that Difficult.

Just don't Lie about it.

Lying makes the Baby Jesus Cry.



peace...

Your flawed logic makes baby Jesus cry.



Jesus was certainly not "pro-gay marriage" but so what? He wasn't especially anti either.


What makes one sin measure more or less than another? Jesus never mentioned "sin" in relation to all sorts of relationships and contracts including "marriage"... There are many things Christians do which Jesus didn't go out of his way to mention, however "sinful"...

No, he did not REVERSE the "abominations" of the Old Testament, but again so what? Jesus did not teach us to condemn our neighbors, so why do you go out of your way to do it here...?

Here's something for you to ponder. Romans and First Corinthians are written to Christians and both condemn homosexuality. The same Holy Spirit that wrote the Law, spoke through Jesus and spoke as Paul wrote it down. That's the belief of Christians.

And? Why go out of your way to condemn one neighbor's sin over another?

 

[Valerie]

Using Ravi's Failed "logic" any Sin or Abomination not Directly Referenced by God’s Son is no longer a Sin or Abomination…

And in FACT should be Embraced and put on Equal Footing with what Jesus Defined as Marriage according to his Father.

Pure Idiocy.



peace...

Speaking of dishonesty...........





American citizens are not required to live up to Christian standards, mal.
And gay citizens are citizens too!



Jesus would want you to love your neighbor as yourself and do unto others, etc...

Jesus wishes you would quit trying to measure your sins against those of your fellow man as demonstrated when He said, "let ye who is without sin cast the first stone" and all that jazz...yada yada, etcetera etcetera... God bless us everyone! lol

This Thread is about the Christian Church... Keep up Dopey.



peace...

^ Excellent response, mal... :noreally:

 

[Amelia]

Your flawed logic makes baby Jesus cry.



Jesus was certainly not "pro-gay marriage" but so what? He wasn't especially anti either.


What makes one sin measure more or less than another? Jesus never mentioned "sin" in relation to all sorts of relationships and contracts including "marriage"... There are many things Christians do which Jesus didn't go out of his way to mention, however "sinful"...

No, he did not REVERSE the "abominations" of the Old Testament, but again so what? Jesus did not teach us to condemn our neighbors, so why do you go out of your way to do it here...?

Here's something for you to ponder. Romans and First Corinthians are written to Christians and both condemn homosexuality. The same Holy Spirit that wrote the Law, spoke through Jesus and spoke as Paul wrote it down. That's the belief of Christians.

And? Why go out of your way to condemn one neighbor's sin over another?

When did that become the issue?

You seem to acknowledge that homosexuality was a sin in the Bible. Correct?

And Christ wouldn't have condoned the sin. He would have said go and sin no more. He probably wouldn't have been behind a law putting a gov't or religious stamp of approval on the sin.

 

[Valerie]

Here's something for you to ponder. Romans and First Corinthians are written to Christians and both condemn homosexuality. The same Holy Spirit that wrote the Law, spoke through Jesus and spoke as Paul wrote it down. That's the belief of Christians.

And? Why go out of your way to condemn one neighbor's sin over another?

When did that become the issue?

You seem to acknowledge that homosexuality was a sin in the Bible. Correct?

And Christ wouldn't have condoned the sin. He would have said go and sin no more. He probably wouldn't have been behind a law putting a gov't or religious stamp of approval on the sin.

He is claiming that gay people can't be Christian...

 

[IndependntLogic]

Cute...
Doesn't Negate that Homosexual Coupling or Marriage is Incompatible with Christianity.
Take your Trolling to St. Elsewhere.

peace...

No, mal... You're wrong.
Sorry you can't handle that your logic is severely flawed and your OP is lame.
True Christians believe that Jesus died for ALL sinners.

"judge not lest ye be judged"

"You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye..."

And this is where you are either Blinded by the Agenda or simply being Dishonest...

Jesus did NOT Embrace Sin.

Homosexuality is Sin 100% of the time it is Referenced in the New and Old.

Jesus Loved the Sinners and Hated Sin.

Jesus would not have Embraced Homosexuality or Homosexual Marriage instead, as he did with ALL Sinners, he would have Tried to lead them away from the Sin and Abomination.

Jesus did NOT and would NOT Embrace Sin.

Until you show me in the Bible where it says anything other than that about Homosexuality you are Wrong.

"...if my people who are called by my name humble themselves, and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and heal their land."

Saying that Christ would Condone or Embrace Sin and Abomination in his Father's Eyes is about as False Prophet as you can get.

If you Consider yourself a Christian, I would Think long and hard before continuing to Mislead others with that Lie.

I mean that Sincerely.



peace...

Again, the first verse was actually quoted from Jesus but it doesn't reference homosexuality at all. It just dicusses that in Jewish tradition, the kids get marraid and move out. Jesus never discussed homosexuality. The rest of the verses you cite are OT, epistles etc....

But then again, Jesus condoned slaves to remain slaves and you know, be GOOD slaves.
He made it clear anyone who has ever divorced and remarried (except in cases of adultery) is fried because they will intentionally be living in a state o fsin without repentance.
He also told us to hate parents and family, which you know, kinda contradicts that "Honor thy mother and father" thing.

But here's the really interesting concept. I'm a Christian. So are my wife and daughter. And all of us can accpet gays for who they are.
According to the beliefs of some Christians, that would make us more understanding, compassionate and loving than God.
I seriously doubt that's the case. I just don't think they give you the job of All Loving Supreme Being, if some guy in Vegas is more loving and accepting than You are...

So I'm curious to read the comments from those with more traditional views.

 

[BDBoop]

You spend a lot of time thinking about gay sex.

He really does.

 

[BDBoop]

I am NOT for the Government Defining Marriage on anyone's Religious Beliefs, this is simply to Address those who Feel that Jesus was Pro-Gay or Pro-Gay Marriage...

“Have you not read that He who made them at the beginning ‘made them male and female,’ and said, ‘For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh’? So then, they are no longer two but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let not man separate.” - Matthew 19:4-6.

Jesus is pretty damned Clear on what Marriage is...

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....

Seems pretty clear to me.

Using Ravi's Failed "logic" any Sin or Abomination not Directly Referenced by God’s Son is no longer a Sin or Abomination…

And in FACT should be Embraced and put on Equal Footing with what Jesus Defined as Marriage according to his Father.

Pure Idiocy.



peace...

I probably shouldn't ask if he talked about marriage between man and dog, should I ....







Hey, I have no problem with gay marriage. If Newt has a right to keep getting married over and over, well ... suffice it to say that I have no problem with gays trying it out at least once.

But Christ was clear on the subject.

God Spoke Worse of Homosexuality than he did Beastiality in Leviticus under Moral Law.

Using Ravi's Dishonest Line, Beastiality is not only OK, you should be able to Marry your Dog...

Because Jesus didn't say you shouldn't or that Fucking Animals was even Wrong.

Why she and her Kind have to be so Fucking Dishonest is beyond me.

There is no Quarter for Homosexuality in Christianity.

Find another Religion.



peace...

Peace indeed.

 

[Caroljo]

The way i see it............

Christians KNOW what is in the Bible and they know what God / Jesus has to say about homosexuals. With all the proof, it really surprises me when non-believers just keep saying it's a lie. But in another way...they may be right about some of this.

Being a Christian, i cannot morally say to go ahead and let the gays marry, no problem. I can't say that because of my beliefs.

Non-Christians have the same problem. They are not going to say it's a sin to be gay. I understand why...it's the same problem i have.

We're to love our neighbors as ourselves. Our neighbors means EVERYONE...not just the people in the houses next to you. This is what we should all be doing. It would be hard because all of us are different. And we all have skeletons in our closets and sins we need to have forgiven. My sin could be that i drink too much (this is ONLY an example! Lol!) and my neighbors sin could be that they're gay. Which sin do you think would be worse in God's eyes?

There's no right answer...because they are both the same to God. My drinking sin will be judged by God the same way the gays will be judged. So why do we even fight about this issue? Like i said....being christian i will not back down on my beliefs. Just as i don't expect non-believers to back down on theirs. Let's leave the judgement of our sins up to God.

Either way, either sin will ONLY be forgiven if you wholly believe in God and accept the fact that Jesus came to earth and died for all our sins. So, a believer that prays to God to forgive their sin, they actually try to quit the sin (although most of us relapse quite often - we're human too), God will forgive them. So...........non-believing gays will not be forgiven.......believing gays will be forgiven IF they discontinue with their lifestyle. That doesn't mean having to STOP being gay, it means they will not live or continue the gay lifestyle (men with men, women with women).

My take on most gays is....they would NEVER give it up. That's their choice.

 

[IndependntLogic]

The way i see it............

Christians KNOW what is in the Bible and they know what God / Jesus has to say about homosexuals. With all the proof, it really surprises me when non-believers just keep saying it's a lie. But in another way...they may be right about some of this.

Being a Christian, i cannot morally say to go ahead and let the gays marry, no problem. I can't say that because of my beliefs.

Non-Christians have the same problem. They are not going to say it's a sin to be gay. I understand why...it's the same problem i have.

We're to love our neighbors as ourselves. Our neighbors means EVERYONE...not just the people in the houses next to you. This is what we should all be doing. It would be hard because all of us are different. And we all have skeletons in our closets and sins we need to have forgiven. My sin could be that i drink too much (this is ONLY an example! Lol!) and my neighbors sin could be that they're gay. Which sin do you think would be worse in God's eyes?

There's no right answer...because they are both the same to God. My drinking sin will be judged by God the same way the gays will be judged. So why do we even fight about this issue? Like i said....being christian i will not back down on my beliefs. Just as i don't expect non-believers to back down on theirs. Let's leave the judgement of our sins up to God.

Either way, either sin will ONLY be forgiven if you wholly believe in God and accept the fact that Jesus came to earth and died for all our sins. So, a believer that prays to God to forgive their sin, they actually try to quit the sin (although most of us relapse quite often - we're human too), God will forgive them. So...........non-believing gays will not be forgiven.......believing gays will be forgiven IF they discontinue with their lifestyle. That doesn't mean having to STOP being gay, it means they will not live or continue the gay lifestyle (men with men, women with women).

My take on most gays is....they would NEVER give it up. That's their choice.

Hmmm. So I'm not gay. I'm a Christian, albeit a rather unconventional one. I can easily forgive gays for simply being who they are.
Thus, I am more loving, tolerant, compassionate, understanding and forgiving than God.

Well, at least the interpretation of God I've read about from some of the people here.
Interesting.

 

[mal]

The way i see it............

Christians KNOW what is in the Bible and they know what God / Jesus has to say about homosexuals. With all the proof, it really surprises me when non-believers just keep saying it's a lie. But in another way...they may be right about some of this.

Being a Christian, i cannot morally say to go ahead and let the gays marry, no problem. I can't say that because of my beliefs.

Non-Christians have the same problem. They are not going to say it's a sin to be gay. I understand why...it's the same problem i have.

We're to love our neighbors as ourselves. Our neighbors means EVERYONE...not just the people in the houses next to you. This is what we should all be doing. It would be hard because all of us are different. And we all have skeletons in our closets and sins we need to have forgiven. My sin could be that i drink too much (this is ONLY an example! Lol!) and my neighbors sin could be that they're gay. Which sin do you think would be worse in God's eyes?

There's no right answer...because they are both the same to God. My drinking sin will be judged by God the same way the gays will be judged. So why do we even fight about this issue? Like i said....being christian i will not back down on my beliefs. Just as i don't expect non-believers to back down on theirs. Let's leave the judgement of our sins up to God.

Either way, either sin will ONLY be forgiven if you wholly believe in God and accept the fact that Jesus came to earth and died for all our sins. So, a believer that prays to God to forgive their sin, they actually try to quit the sin (although most of us relapse quite often - we're human too), God will forgive them. So...........non-believing gays will not be forgiven.......believing gays will be forgiven IF they discontinue with their lifestyle. That doesn't mean having to STOP being gay, it means they will not live or continue the gay lifestyle (men with men, women with women).

My take on most gays is....they would NEVER give it up. That's their choice.

Hmmm. So I'm not gay. I'm a Christian, albeit a rather unconventional one. I can easily forgive gays for simply being who they are.
Thus, I am more loving, tolerant, compassionate, understanding and forgiving than God.

Well, at least the interpretation of God I've read about from some of the people here.
Interesting.

Provide one Quote from the Old or New Testaments that has God or Jesus even Tolerant of Homosexuality...

I'll be here.



peace...

 

[Ravi]

Jesus called. He said to tell you all to quit putting words in his mouth and telling lies about what he did or did not say.

 

[mal]

Jesus called. He said to tell you all to quit putting words in his mouth and telling lies about what he did or did not say.

Matthew 19
4 And He answered and said to them, "Have you not read that He who made them at the beginning 'made them male and female,
5 "and said, 'For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh'?
6 "So then, they are no longer two but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let no man separate."

Bitch please... Go back to bed... You still Drunk.



peace...

 

[mal]

I'm sure the Intent was not to say Man and Wife so many damned times...

1 Corinthians 7
King James Version (KJV)

7 Now concerning the things whereof ye wrote unto me: It is good for a man not to touch a woman.

2 Nevertheless, to avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband.

3 Let the husband render unto the wife due benevolence: and likewise also the wife unto the husband.

4 The wife hath not power of her own body, but the husband: and likewise also the husband hath not power of his own body, but the wife.

5 Defraud ye not one the other, except it be with consent for a time, that ye may give yourselves to fasting and prayer; and come together again, that Satan tempt you not for your incontinency.

6 But I speak this by permission, and not of commandment.

7 For I would that all men were even as I myself. But every man hath his proper gift of God, one after this manner, and another after that.

8 I say therefore to the unmarried and widows, it is good for them if they abide even as I.

9 But if they cannot contain, let them marry: for it is better to marry than to burn.

10 And unto the married I command, yet not I, but the Lord, Let not the wife depart from her husband:

11 But and if she depart, let her remain unmarried or be reconciled to her husband: and let not the husband put away his wife.

12 But to the rest speak I, not the Lord: If any brother hath a wife that believeth not, and she be pleased to dwell with him, let him not put her away.

13 And the woman which hath an husband that believeth not, and if he be pleased to dwell with her, let her not leave him.

14 For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holy.

15 But if the unbelieving depart, let him depart. A brother or a sister is not under bondage in such cases: but God hath called us to peace.

16 For what knowest thou, O wife, whether thou shalt save thy husband? or how knowest thou, O man, whether thou shalt save thy wife?

17 But as God hath distributed to every man, as the Lord hath called every one, so let him walk. And so ordain I in all churches.

18 Is any man called being circumcised? let him not become uncircumcised. Is any called in uncircumcision? let him not be circumcised.

19 Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God.

20 Let every man abide in the same calling wherein he was called.

21 Art thou called being a servant? care not for it: but if thou mayest be made free, use it rather.

22 For he that is called in the Lord, being a servant, is the Lord's freeman: likewise also he that is called, being free, is Christ's servant.

23 Ye are bought with a price; be not ye the servants of men.

24 Brethren, let every man, wherein he is called, therein abide with God.

25 Now concerning virgins I have no commandment of the Lord: yet I give my judgment, as one that hath obtained mercy of the Lord to be faithful.

26 I suppose therefore that this is good for the present distress, I say, that it is good for a man so to be.

27 Art thou bound unto a wife? seek not to be loosed. Art thou loosed from a wife? seek not a wife.

28 But and if thou marry, thou hast not sinned; and if a virgin marry, she hath not sinned. Nevertheless such shall have trouble in the flesh: but I spare you.

29 But this I say, brethren, the time is short: it remaineth, that both they that have wives be as though they had none;

30 And they that weep, as though they wept not; and they that rejoice, as though they rejoiced not; and they that buy, as though they possessed not;

31 And they that use this world, as not abusing it: for the fashion of this world passeth away.

32 But I would have you without carefulness. He that is unmarried careth for the things that belong to the Lord, how he may please the Lord:

33 But he that is married careth for the things that are of the world, how he may please his wife.

34 There is difference also between a wife and a virgin. The unmarried woman careth for the things of the Lord, that she may be holy both in body and in spirit: but she that is married careth for the things of the world, how she may please her husband.

35 And this I speak for your own profit; not that I may cast a snare upon you, but for that which is comely, and that ye may attend upon the Lord without distraction.

36 But if any man think that he behaveth himself uncomely toward his virgin, if she pass the flower of her age, and need so require, let him do what he will, he sinneth not: let them marry.

37 Nevertheless he that standeth stedfast in his heart, having no necessity, but hath power over his own will, and hath so decreed in his heart that he will keep his virgin, doeth well.

38 So then he that giveth her in marriage doeth well; but he that giveth her not in marriage doeth better.

39 The wife is bound by the law as long as her husband liveth; but if her husband be dead, she is at liberty to be married to whom she will; only in the Lord.

40 But she is happier if she so abide, after my judgment: and I think also that I have the Spirit of God.

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Still waiting for something from the Bible that is even Remotely Tolerant of Homosexuality...



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Simple Observations of the Book...

Got anything but Sin and Abomination from the Bible Regarding Homosexuality yet?...

Didn't think so.



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