Isn't it a personal liberty to be who you want to be?

[C_Clayton_Jones]

"Isn't it a personal liberty to be who you want to be?"

Yes - a liberty entitled to Constitutional protections, prohibiting the states from unwarranted attacks on citizens' liberties, such as denying gay Americans access to marriage, or seeking to disadvantage transgender Americans through force of law.

 

[TyroneSlothrop]

"Isn't it a personal liberty to be who you want to be?"

Yes - a liberty entitled to Constitutional protections, prohibiting the states from unwarranted attacks on citizens' liberties, such as denying gay Americans access to marriage, or seeking to disadvantage transgender Americans through force of law.

They. "The Westboros " want to punish the LGTB community using the Government...they want to deny them bathroom usage....its pretty clear Caitlyn Jenner at this point cannot walk into a male bathroom without a hassle...

 

[TyroneSlothrop]

Permit me to clarify: Yes, but it is also my personal liberty not to accept who you want to be, and to resist being forced to accept it.

It is not your right to pass laws so the Government acts out you biases..

Exactly. Therefore you can't pass laws to act out your bias of pushing severe and disgusting sexual deviance down the throats of the American people. A person with an "X" and a "Y" chromosome simply has no right to the women's room. Period. End of story. And there is nothing you or anyone else can do about it.

You a westboro parishioner dude

 

[P@triot]

Permit me to clarify: Yes, but it is also my personal liberty not to accept who you want to be, and to resist being forced to accept it.

It is not your right to pass laws so the Government acts out you biases..

Exactly. Therefore you can't pass laws to act out your bias of pushing severe and disgusting sexual deviance down the throats of the American people. A person with an "X" and a "Y" chromosome simply has no right to the women's room. Period. End of story. And there is nothing you or anyone else can do about it.

You a westboro parishioner dude

You're a typical ignorant liberal dude who attempts to disingenuously apply liberty and freedom where they don't apply so you can have power and control and push sexual deviance simply because it gets you off.

 

[TyroneSlothrop]

You're a typical ignorant liberal dude who attempts to disingenuously apply liberty and freedom where they don't apply so you can have power and control and push sexual deviance simply because it gets you off.

If only Republican as worried about thousands of kids getting lead poisoning as they are about people using the correct restroom.
or about kids getting gunned down


West Virginia man with concealed carry permit accidentally opens fire on children’s swimming lesson

 

[P@triot]

"Isn't it a personal liberty to be who you want to be?"

Yes - a liberty entitled to Constitutional protections, prohibiting the states from unwarranted attacks on citizens' liberties, such as denying gay Americans access to marriage, or seeking to disadvantage transgender Americans through force of law.

Well, one, we already proved that you've never even read the U.S. Constitution and don't know the first thing about it.

Two, no homosexual was ever denied the right to marriage in the history of America. Any gay man could marry any woman he wanted and any gay woman could marry any man she wanted. That is an undeniable, indisputable fact.

You want unconstitutional special privileges for small class of citizens which you and your libtard pals deem as "special". Sorry - the Constitution doesn't allow for your special privileged classes. The highest law in the land applies to all of us the same way. And creating a special privilege for a gay man or woman is unacceptable. It's further compounded by the fact that Congress passed no law permitting gay marriage (and the Supreme Court is part of the judicial branch - which has no authority to create law). You're so wrong on so many levels, that you can't even comprehend it all.

 

[P@triot]

You're a typical ignorant liberal dude who attempts to disingenuously apply liberty and freedom where they don't apply so you can have power and control and push sexual deviance simply because it gets you off.

If only Republican as worried about thousands of kids getting lead poisoning as they are about people using the correct restroom.
or about kids getting gunned down
West Virginia man with concealed carry permit accidentally opens fire on children’s swimming lesson

We're not. You know why? Because firearms are a Constitutional right designed to protect children against authoritarian asshats like you desperate to impose their will over others because their small and meaningless life leaves them craving power. The amount of children that will die through out history by the accidental discharge of a firearm is nothing compared to the amount of children who have already died at the hands of authoritarian asshats like you. You know how many children were tortured and killed during the holocaust? Game over junior. You lose.

 

[sstai]

People protesting Target's policy to allow individuals to use the restroom they "most identify" with isn't about whether or not they should be "allowed" to be transgendered. It is about drawing a reasonable line saying that if you were born male, use the male restroom, and so on. People can have all the surgeries, hormone therepies, and dress however they want. If you can pee standing up, go to the male restroom.

 

[P@triot]

People protesting Target's policy to allow individuals to use the restroom they "most identify" with isn't about whether or not they should be "allowed" to be transgendered. It is about drawing a reasonable line saying that if you were born male, use the male restroom, and so on. People can have all the surgeries, hormone therepies, and dress however they want. If you can pee standing up, go to the male restroom.

Actually SStai - even that is not true. The medial code/oath clearly states "do no harm". And prescribing hormones not medically necessary or taking a knife to human life when it's not medically necessary is the very definition of doing harm.

While I fully support the right of these mentally ill people to dress and live how they want, that is limited to their home and limited to what is acceptable in public. Really, if liberals had the slightest bit of compassion for their fellow man, we would all be discussing how to get those poor, tormented souls the mental healthcare they desperately need and deserve. But because this stuff makes the average liberal cum all over their keyboard, the discussion on their behalf is how to spread the deviance.

 

[Bob Blaylock]

Matthew, your mistake is believing that Conservatism is based on Liberty. It's not. Real Conservatism is based on two unalterable concepts which have existed from the beginning of civilization..... Right and Wrong. Nothing more and nothing less.

I don't know that it's entirely true, but it certainly stands out, these days, as a prominent distinction between the ideologies that are currently known as “conservatism”, and “liberalism”, that the former adheres very strongly to standards of right and wrong, while the latter rejects them, and denies that there's a difference.

 

[Bob Blaylock]

The male trans still has a penis, even post op it is a simply a surgically altered penis. He has no female reproductive system. Never has a period. Will never get pregnant. Will never go through menopause.

They will never be a Woman because they don't experience life as a Womam. It is that, not a surgery that makes woman.

Wanting something that is impossible is loony.

It's not necessarily “loony” to desire that which is unattainable, but in this case, it certainly is beyond merely “loony” to believe that it has been or possibly can be attained.

 

[Bob Blaylock]

No the law protects the Rights of all...you want the LGTB to have to piss and shit in its own clothing like Ted Nugent did to get out of going to Vietnam

Any law that allows male perverts into women's restroom and dressing facilities is failing to protect the rights of women and girls. Certainly, their rights to privacy and safety far outweigh any “rights” that you would claim on behalf of perverts and degenerates to violate these rights of girls and women.

 

[OKTexas]

Permit me to clarify: Yes, but it is also my personal liberty not to accept who you want to be, and to resist being forced to accept it.

It is not your right to pass laws so the Government acts out you biases..

That road runs both ways.

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

Permit me to clarify: Yes, but it is also my personal liberty not to accept who you want to be, and to resist being forced to accept it.

It is not your right to pass laws so the Government acts out you biases..

Mental illness is not a right. Any government that passes laws making it one is mentally ill.

 

[TyroneSlothrop]

Mental illness is not a right. Any government that passes laws making it one is mentally ill.

You are not a psychiatrist and if you were one would have to be crazy to consult you....

 

[Bob Blaylock]

Mental illness is not a right. Any government that passes laws making it one is mentally ill.

You are not a psychiatrist and if you were one would have to be crazy to consult you....

That kind of goes without saying. Anyone who would seek the services of a psychiatrist probably ought to have his head examined.

 

[kaz]

Isn't it a personal liberty to be who you want to be whether you're born a man wanting to be a woman or the other way around. Who are you to say as a conservative that individuals can't do so and use the government to stop them? Doesn't that make you a hypocrite?

The surgery isn't unconstitutional the last time I checked.
Being something other than what you were born as isn't unconstitutional.
Now stopping them and stumping on their individual liberties is probably unconstitutional!

If someone wants to be gay...Lets not stop them!
If someone wants to be the other gender and dress as such. Lets not stop them!
If they want to smoke pot! That is their personal liberty speaking...
Hell, if someone wants to go through life as a dragon that hisses like a snake in their own homes. Who are you to say no?

I thought most of you are libertarians. Wtf are you doing disagreeing with this?

Nothing is wrong with any of that. The problem is when these people turn around and demand things from others for it. I mean duh, you didn't get that?

 

[TyroneSlothrop]

That kind of goes without saying. Anyone who would seek the services of a psychiatrist probably ought to have his head examined.

OK but One however ought not to examine whoever is in the "head" when one is in there also...that is poor manners
Why is the toilet called the head in the Navy? -

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

Mental illness is not a right. Any government that passes laws making it one is mentally ill.

You are not a psychiatrist and if you were one would have to be crazy to consult you....

Oh, I dunno. I have you pretty well figured out.

 

[Seawytch]

Isn't it a personal liberty to be who you want to be whether you're born a man wanting to be a woman or the other way around. Who are you to say as a conservative that individuals can't do so and use the government to stop them? Doesn't that make you a hypocrite?

The surgery isn't unconstitutional the last time I checked.
Being something other than what you were born as isn't unconstitutional.
Now stopping them and stumping on their individual liberties is probably unconstitutional!

If someone wants to be gay...Lets not stop them!
If someone wants to be the other gender and dress as such. Lets not stop them!
If they want to smoke pot! That is their personal liberty speaking...
Hell, if someone wants to go through life as a dragon that hisses like a snake in their own homes. Who are you to say no?

I thought most of you are libertarians. Wtf are you doing disagreeing with this?

We draw the line where these freaks believe they are entitled to use whatever restroom they choose. There is no right to do that.

Who is "we"? Over 200 localities and a few states across the nation say there is such a right.

Which laws seem to be causing problems? (Some trans inclusive laws have been on the books for over a decade...maybe two)

History of transgender people in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia