CDZ Is it time for Socialism in the U.S.?

The Nordic socialism like all socialism is based on a fully monolithic society.

Dont mean to be rude, but that is simply not true. I am guessing you mean that they are ethnically homogeneous, which again is not true in the case of Finland, Denmark or Sweden. Norway is an outlier because no one wants to live there. :D
 
The Nordic socialism like all socialism is based on a fully monolithic society. The US and many EU nation states are far from monolithic. But as done in the last 100 years in many countries in Europe, the socialists can run just another genocide, to start this deal, and they can do that in the US too.

No and no. Absolute no deal with the U.S.
We are not the new Soviet with real Socialism.
Socialism in Democracy are better in the U.S.
Democracy is the tyranny of majority. In a jobless world, socialism and democracy are convergent. Like in the Soviet Union, an American democracy or American socialist democracy will be like the democratic socialist republic of East Germany / Czechoslovakia / Congo.
 
The Nordic socialism like all socialism is based on a fully monolithic society.

Dont mean to be rude, but that is simply not true. I am guessing you mean that they are ethnically homogeneous, which again is not true in the case of Finland, Denmark or Sweden. Norway is an outlier because no one wants to live there. :D
The Swedish and the Norwegians conducted an extensive albeit low key ethnic cleansing of a sort in the 1950s and 1960s with their social sterilization programs amongs others.
 
The Nordic socialism like all socialism is based on a fully monolithic society.

Dont mean to be rude, but that is simply not true. I am guessing you mean that they are ethnically homogeneous, which again is not true in the case of Finland, Denmark or Sweden. Norway is an outlier because no one wants to live there. :D
The Swedish and the Norwegians conducted an extensive albeit low key ethnic cleansing of a sort in the 1950s and 1960s with their social sterilization programs amongs others.
link to some documentation?
 
The Nordic socialism like all socialism is based on a fully monolithic society.

Dont mean to be rude, but that is simply not true. I am guessing you mean that they are ethnically homogeneous, which again is not true in the case of Finland, Denmark or Sweden. Norway is an outlier because no one wants to live there. :D
The Swedish and the Norwegians conducted an extensive albeit low key ethnic cleansing of a sort in the 1950s and 1960s with their social sterilization programs amongs others.
link to some documentation?
The internet didn't exist before the 1990s, so you need to talk to people. There are probably a few current studies of this which the socialist government would of course deny, but mostly I am too lazy to research for links about things that people just generally know in a country. You can probably start with papers about the Lapp people.
 
But that is the direction that the Robotics Revolution is going in, thus the need for us to get control of our government from the multinational corporations and take care of this rising problem beforehand.
You're not wrong, we do need to get control of our government back, but socialism certainly isn't the way to do it. Socialism would only give them more power and more control, while destroying our economy.
Median income - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
In 2013, Gallup published a list of countries with median household income, based on a self-reported survey of approximately 1000 adults from each country.[1] Using median, rather than mean income, results in a much more accurate picture of the average income of the middle class since the data will not be skewed by gains and abnormalities in the extreme ends. The figures are in international dollars using purchasing power parity and are based on responses from at least 2,000 adults in each country, with the data aggregated from 2006 to 2012. Below is a list of the top 30 countries. The figures are before deduction of taxes and social contributions.

Top 30 nations in Median personal income

1
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Norway ....................19,308
2
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Sweden ...................18,632
3
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Luxembourg ............18,418
4
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Denmark ..................18,262
5
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Finland ....................15,725
6
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United States ..........15,480
7
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Canada ...................15,181
8
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Australia ..................15,026
9
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Netherlands ............14,450
10
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Germany ...............14,098
11
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France ...................12,445
12
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United Kingdom ....12,399
13
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Austria ..................12,284
14
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New Zealand ........12,147
15
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South Korea .........11,350
16
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Japan ....................10,840
17
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Belgium .................10,189
18
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Hong Kong ..............9,705
19
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Slovenia ...................8,656
20
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Ireland ......................8,048

I am not sure why Iceland is not listed in that list, since it has a per capita income similar to that of Denmark. It has no significant natural resources, and has made do with geothermal and large use of cement. Economy of Iceland - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia I suspect that Pew might have simply overlooked it.

The point is that the Nordic model of socialism is out performing our own economy in individual income by about 20%. We will need to adopt something like this to handle the jobless economy of the future.
This data is completely irrelevant. The average income of households is only showing that fewer people are going into college to get real jobs. It's a result of the people of America being content with living a meaningless life and dying a meaningless death. It's a natural result of the government 'educating' the youth of America. It's also a result of slowed business expansion.
 
Socialism has plenty to do with Marxism and Communism, it's a step leading to both. Socialism, Communism, Marxism, Liberalism... all different names for the same evil ideology that has done nothing but destroy.

Not all socialism is brought out of the fetid swamps of Marxism.

Socialism PREDATES Marxism.
 
Socialism has plenty to do with Marxism and Communism, it's a step leading to both. Socialism, Communism, Marxism, Liberalism... all different names for the same evil ideology that has done nothing but destroy.

Not all socialism is brought out of the fetid swamps of Marxism.

Socialism PREDATES Marxism.
It does predate Marxism, but Marxism popularized and expanded on it. It was always a horrible ideal, build on pulling down the successful and enabling the lazy.
 
It does predate Marxism, but Marxism popularized and expanded on it. It was always a horrible ideal, build on pulling down the successful and enabling the lazy.
The socialist concepts of Proudhon and Owens were based on a secularized version of first century Christian communities, and there was nothing horrid about that, only in their attempts to replicate without a central faith something that faith is necessary for to hold together.

Marx became overtly hostile to God and religion, something Proudhon and Owens did not do openly.

Robert Owen - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Mutualism (economic theory) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
It does predate Marxism, but Marxism popularized and expanded on it. It was always a horrible ideal, build on pulling down the successful and enabling the lazy.
The socialist concepts of Proudhon and Owens were based on a secularized version of first century Christian communities, and there was nothing horrid about that, only in their attempts to replicate without a central faith something that faith is necessary for to hold together.

Marx became overtly hostile to God and religion, something Proudhon and Owens did not do openly.

Robert Owen - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Mutualism (economic theory) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Regardless of what it's based on, it's an economic system that drags down the successful and rewards the lazy.
 
Regardless of what it's based on, it's an economic system that drags down the successful and rewards the lazy.
That again is simply not true.

Labor is a good thing. It helps a person to feel a purpose, achievement and self respect. No one wants to sit on their ass and do nothing, and if you think that most people in a specific Nordic Model nation are lazy and do not want this self respect, then why do they outperform american wages earners in compensation? Why are Americans the most efficient in production value added to product, but the Socialist on the Nordic Model achieve more in benefits and compensation?

Why do you think socialism = laziness when socialists do more with less every eyar they compete with us?
 
Regardless of what it's based on, it's an economic system that drags down the successful and rewards the lazy.
That again is simply not true.

Labor is a good thing. It helps a person to feel a purpose, achievement and self respect. No one wants to sit on their ass and do nothing, and if you think that most people in a specific Nordic Model nation are lazy and do not want this self respect, then why do they outperform american wages earners in compensation? Why are Americans the most efficient in production value added to product, but the Socialist on the Nordic Model achieve more in benefits and compensation?

Why do you think socialism = laziness when socialists do more with less every eyar they compete with us?
Oh, gee, I wonder. Probably because the majority of workers belong to unions. Unions are basically the ultimate weapon for business oppression, forcing businesses to pay maximum dollar for minimum effort. I'd also like to point out that government spending is massive, and tax burdens are among the highest in the world.

I think socialism=laziness because it does. A fine example is actually the very "Nordic Model" you've been pointing at, and America itself. People are sitting at home and collecting federal aid, while Americans who have actual dreams are fueling their laziness. The nations using the "Nordic Model" are giving people 90%, 80%, 75% of working wages for unemployment benefits. There should be no benefits for being unemployed, people should get out of the house, find a job, and keep that job.

Socialism is a failed ideal that drags down the successful and rewards the lazy. It always has, it always will. The key components are disgusting, twisted insults to Capitalism, and should be shunned and forgotten forever.
 
Oh, gee, I wonder. Probably because the majority of workers belong to unions. Unions are basically the ultimate weapon for business oppression, forcing businesses to pay maximum dollar for minimum effort. I'd also like to point out that government spending is massive, and tax burdens are among the highest in the world.


So do you have any idea what the tax rates are in Iceland?

I think socialism=laziness because it does.

No, it does not. Norway for example produces more GDP per capita than we do.

A fine example is actually the very "Nordic Model" you've been pointing at, and America itself. People are sitting at home and collecting federal aid, while Americans who have actual dreams are fueling their laziness. The nations using the "Nordic Model" are giving people 90%, 80%, 75% of working wages for unemployment benefits. There should be no benefits for being unemployed, people should get out of the house, find a job, and keep that job.


Lol, so if someone has their job exported they and their children should just starve and live in the streets till they can get another one?

This is why the GOP needs to overhaul its leadership and dump all the heartless bastages who couldnt give a shit less about the misfortune that their own economic policies create.

Paraplegics are not lazy. Crippled veterans are not lazy. Retired people are not lazy. People that think they are are going to swept aside in the very near future.


Socialism is a failed ideal that drags down the successful and rewards the lazy. It always has, it always will. The key components are disgusting, twisted insults to Capitalism, and should be shunned and forgotten forever.

Never mind the facts that prove otherwise, right Einstein?

roflmao
 

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