CDZ Where do we stand on healthcare?

[Toronado3800]

To be clear, generally I am in favor of simple mandatory healthcoverage by the same regulations and standards country wide.

"Obamacare" seems complicated and while I very much believe it is necessary it is probably unconstitutional.

I have little understanding of those who socialist though. We should all remember 2005, 1995, 1985, 1975, 1965 and back to the 50's where most hospitals have treated everyone who walked in the door my whole life.

So IMO we had a socialist system since the 50's where the homeless and the poor might not have access to the same service as the President but they do get treated and decently. My whole life the poor side of my family got their tried and true decade old Chemo treatment at cruddy hospitals and the rich side traveled to whatever city to grasp the latest straw for treatment.

There, am I middle of the road or did I just offended everyone equally lol. I called Obamacare unconstitutional, said Ronald Reagan ran a Socialist healthcare system, and said I think nationwide compulsory insurance should be mandatory.

 

[longknife]

This Is How Much Your Health Insurance Payment Is About To Jump By

All of this touted to insure 30 some million out of 300 million plus.

As the WSJ reports, the insurers’ proposed rates for individual coverage in states that have made their 2017 requests public largely bear out health plans’ grim predictions about their challenges under the health-care overhaul. According to the insurers’ filings with regulators, large plans in states including New York, Pennsylvania and Georgia are seeking to raise rates by 20% or more.

The story w/links (which Obamacare supporters will refuse to follow) @ Prison Planet.com » This Is How Much Your Health Insurance Payment Is About To Jump By

From Zero Hedge

Story @ This Is How Much Your Health Insurance Payment Is About To Jump By | Zero Hedge

 

[BULLDOG]

To be clear, generally I am in favor of simple mandatory healthcoverage by the same regulations and standards country wide.

"Obamacare" seems complicated and while I very much believe it is necessary it is probably unconstitutional.

I have little understanding of those who socialist though. We should all remember 2005, 1995, 1985, 1975, 1965 and back to the 50's where most hospitals have treated everyone who walked in the door my whole life.

So IMO we had a socialist system since the 50's where the homeless and the poor might not have access to the same service as the President but they do get treated and decently. My whole life the poor side of my family got their tried and true decade old Chemo treatment at cruddy hospitals and the rich side traveled to whatever city to grasp the latest straw for treatment.

There, am I middle of the road or did I just offended everyone equally lol. I called Obamacare unconstitutional, said Ronald Reagan ran a Socialist healthcare system, and said I think nationwide compulsory insurance should be mandatory.

Emergency rooms will sew you up if you are bleeding, or help you if you are having a heart attack, but if it is not an emergency situation, they are not obligated to help anybody. If you have high blood pressure that puts you in danger of a heart attack or stroke, they tell you to go see a regular doctor. The myth of adequate free healthcare is just that, a myth.

 

[Elvis Obama]

To be clear, generally I am in favor of simple mandatory healthcoverage by the same regulations and standards country wide.

"Obamacare" seems complicated and while I very much believe it is necessary it is probably unconstitutional.

I have little understanding of those who socialist though. We should all remember 2005, 1995, 1985, 1975, 1965 and back to the 50's where most hospitals have treated everyone who walked in the door my whole life.

So IMO we had a socialist system since the 50's where the homeless and the poor might not have access to the same service as the President but they do get treated and decently. My whole life the poor side of my family got their tried and true decade old Chemo treatment at cruddy hospitals and the rich side traveled to whatever city to grasp the latest straw for treatment.

There, am I middle of the road or did I just offended everyone equally lol. I called Obamacare unconstitutional, said Ronald Reagan ran a Socialist healthcare system, and said I think nationwide compulsory insurance should be mandatory.

OK, I am going to assume that "we" is America. Where we stand on healthcare is who the hell knows? We're tearing ourselves to pieces and that seems more important than healthcare. For a great many people this means that they don't care about healthcare, they only care about expressing their hatred of one man, Barak Obama, a hatred that burns within them like a dozen suns. Insurance is a shared risk pool and the larger the pool the more successful the system will be. Obama derangement syndrome has forced people to opt out, against their own state's interests, in order to line up with Republican orthodoxy. Our absurd political dysfunction also led to Obamacare being an overthought, over-compromised, over-complicated piece of... legislation. We could fix it, but the same dysfunction which made it a monster in the first place will preclude our fixing it.

 

[Toronado3800]

To be clear, generally I am in favor of simple mandatory healthcoverage by the same regulations and standards country wide.

"Obamacare" seems complicated and while I very much believe it is necessary it is probably unconstitutional.

I have little understanding of those who socialist though. We should all remember 2005, 1995, 1985, 1975, 1965 and back to the 50's where most hospitals have treated everyone who walked in the door my whole life.

So IMO we had a socialist system since the 50's where the homeless and the poor might not have access to the same service as the President but they do get treated and decently. My whole life the poor side of my family got their tried and true decade old Chemo treatment at cruddy hospitals and the rich side traveled to whatever city to grasp the latest straw for treatment.

There, am I middle of the road or did I just offended everyone equally lol. I called Obamacare unconstitutional, said Ronald Reagan ran a Socialist healthcare system, and said I think nationwide compulsory insurance should be mandatory.

Emergency rooms will sew you up if you are bleeding, or help you if you are having a heart attack, but if it is not an emergency situation, they are not obligated to help anybody. If you have high blood pressure that puts you in danger of a heart attack or stroke, they tell you to go see a regular doctor. The myth of adequate free healthcare is just that, a myth.

Good point on the prescription follow up to the emergency situation.

I remember these two poor older sisters in my family paying $10 a month to hospitals and working all kinds of angles on drugs and doctors visits.

There were good at paperwork and calling agencies though.

So if it was 2005 or 1985 or even now and you couldn't afford a prescription for an anti biotic after leaving the hospital what did you do?

 

[320 Years of History]

To answer the title question, I am, now as before ACA, quite satisfied with my healthcare in many dimensions:

• Quality of care
• Timeliness of service delivery
• Breadth of choice and coverage
• Cost of coverage

I don't imagine the stuff I dislike about healthcare in the U.S. is stuff the ACA is going to alter.

Then again, I've spent my whole life taking care of my health myself by eating right, keeping "gym rat" fit, etc. To my sensibilities, doing those things contribute more to what I think about healthcare than do any other things. AS with much of everything else, my health and care of it is yet another thing about which I think (and act) it's incumbent upon me to recognize the situation for what it is and take proactive control of it so that I obtain the outcome I most desire, or as close to it as I can get. As goes my health and caring for it:

• The Situation: My body needs to be in tip top order for as long as I can keep it that way.
• Taking Control to Achieve Optimal Outcome:
  • Workout daily -- mentally and physically
    • Mentally --> read, think, learn
    • Physically --> resistance exercise; aerobic exercise; sleep
  • Eat "right" 90% of the time

That approach has been working for me and it's definitely worked for my 97 year old father who takes and has no need for any medications, has never had any sort of "fix what's broke" surgery other than a root canal some 40+ years ago. The man can still drive safely, for goodness sake. He follows the same regimen I do -- work out, keep fit, eat right. He's also happy with his health and healthcare.

 

[Toronado3800]

Impressive! My two neighbors have taught me a bit about life and aging well.

 

[jwoodie]

I am in favor of Health CARE, but not mandatory Health INSURANCE.

 

[BULLDOG]

I am in favor of Health CARE, but not mandatory Health INSURANCE.

Great, but healthcare isn't free so how do you think it should be paid for?

 

[Two Thumbs]

No American should be forced to buy a product, or else.

That's blatant tyranny and no excuse is sufficient to support it.

 

[there4eyeM]

There is no excuse for anyone in the richest country history has ever known to go without basic health care. Reading that an elderly man shot his wife because they could no longer afford her medicine shows that an intolerable situation exists. There is no reason to spend a trillion dollars to develop an airplane ostensibly for defense when society is indefensibly inhuman.

 

[Two Thumbs]

There is no excuse for anyone in the richest country history has ever known to go without basic health care. Reading that an elderly man shot his wife because they could no longer afford her medicine shows that an intolerable situation exists. There is no reason to spend a trillion dollars to develop an airplane ostensibly for defense when society is indefensibly inhuman.

There is no excuse to support tyranny.

 

[BULLDOG]

No American should be forced to buy a product, or else.

That's blatant tyranny and no excuse is sufficient to support it.

Americans are forced to buy products all the time. From the list of needed supplies that a grade schooler is given in the fall, to a coffin to bury someone when he dies, we all have an obligation to buy lots of products. It's part of being in a civilized society..

 

[BULLDOG]

There is no excuse for anyone in the richest country history has ever known to go without basic health care. Reading that an elderly man shot his wife because they could no longer afford her medicine shows that an intolerable situation exists. There is no reason to spend a trillion dollars to develop an airplane ostensibly for defense when society is indefensibly inhuman.

There is no excuse to support tyranny.

You have a really dumb definition of tyranny.

 

[Two Thumbs]

No American should be forced to buy a product, or else.

That's blatant tyranny and no excuse is sufficient to support it.

Americans are forced to buy products all the time. From the list of needed supplies that a grade schooler is given in the fall, to a coffin to bury someone when he dies, we all have an obligation to buy lots of products. It's part of being in a civilized society..

There's a huge difference between obligations and force.

I don't expect you to understand, leftist want government tyranny, so any reason you can create makes more sense to you than freedom.

 

[Two Thumbs]

There is no excuse for anyone in the richest country history has ever known to go without basic health care. Reading that an elderly man shot his wife because they could no longer afford her medicine shows that an intolerable situation exists. There is no reason to spend a trillion dollars to develop an airplane ostensibly for defense when society is indefensibly inhuman.

There is no excuse to support tyranny.

You have a really dumb definition of tyranny.

Government by force or coercion.

get hci or pay a fine is coercion.

 

[jwoodie]

No American should be forced to buy a product, or else.

That's blatant tyranny and no excuse is sufficient to support it.

Americans are forced to buy products all the time. From the list of needed supplies that a grade schooler is given in the fall, to a coffin to bury someone when he dies, we all have an obligation to buy lots of products. It's part of being in a civilized society..

No one is forced to buy school supplies or coffins. Try again.

 

[FA_Q2]

No American should be forced to buy a product, or else.

That's blatant tyranny and no excuse is sufficient to support it.

Americans are forced to buy products all the time. From the list of needed supplies that a grade schooler is given in the fall, to a coffin to bury someone when he dies, we all have an obligation to buy lots of products. It's part of being in a civilized society..

Not one of those things is forced. Not one.

 

[Andylusion]

To be clear, generally I am in favor of simple mandatory healthcoverage by the same regulations and standards country wide.

"Obamacare" seems complicated and while I very much believe it is necessary it is probably unconstitutional.

I have little understanding of those who socialist though. We should all remember 2005, 1995, 1985, 1975, 1965 and back to the 50's where most hospitals have treated everyone who walked in the door my whole life.

So IMO we had a socialist system since the 50's where the homeless and the poor might not have access to the same service as the President but they do get treated and decently. My whole life the poor side of my family got their tried and true decade old Chemo treatment at cruddy hospitals and the rich side traveled to whatever city to grasp the latest straw for treatment.

There, am I middle of the road or did I just offended everyone equally lol. I called Obamacare unconstitutional, said Ronald Reagan ran a Socialist healthcare system, and said I think nationwide compulsory insurance should be mandatory.

So if I live in Alabama making $10,000 a year, and you mandate that I must pay $250 a month in insurance premiums, what you are saying is, I am required to be homeless, and starving?

I might be in perfect health..... but I need to pay my rent, and pay for food.

Why are you dooming me to poverty and homelessness, for the sake of a requirement to buy health insurance?

See this right here, is why I'm against government dictating our lives. You don't know where someone else is fiscally. If they can afford it, let them afford it. IF they can't... who are you to demand they live their lives, the way you want?

 

[Andylusion]

There is no excuse for anyone in the richest country history has ever known to go without basic health care. Reading that an elderly man shot his wife because they could no longer afford her medicine shows that an intolerable situation exists. There is no reason to spend a trillion dollars to develop an airplane ostensibly for defense when society is indefensibly inhuman.

There is no excuse to support tyranny.

You have a really dumb definition of tyranny.

and yet, that is exactly what every tyrant in history has said. They justify their own dictator powers over the public, by suggest we've always forced people to do stuff... so why not force them to do everything we want.

It's for the good of public to force people to have insurance... isn't it? We force them to have car insurance, why not health, and let's just force everyone to do everything we want? It's for their good! Hitler said..... Stalin said... Pol Pot said.... Mao said....

How "intolerable" the situation is, is always used by every tyrant to commit every brutality on the public.... but they never say "I'm going to brutally oppress the people". You've never seen a tyrant say that. Not openly. They always phrase their brutality and dictatorial powers..... as being for the good of the people....

Even Jesus in the Bible called it out.... "The kings of the Gentiles lord it over them; and those who exercise authority over them call themselves Benefactors."

The kings always lord over them.... but call themselves "We your benefactors! We are stealing your money, taking your property, and controlling your lives....... well.... to give you health care! Yeah... it's just intolerable otherwise."

I can see why the left hates the Bible, and Jesus. He called you people out perfectly.... over 2000 years ago.