In Jerusalem, Israel now.

[aris2chat]

There is no absolute proof of the Khazars ever having existed outside of the realms of fiction.

That is what you believe in, and any religious believer is sure that there is no prove that Dinosaurs existed.



Sorry, but I do not have any time to discuss on this level.

Just as there is no proof that the Protocols where written by Jews

The protocols were written by an unknown author who seems to be a prophet.

The anonymous author of this dystopian literature had chosen to write his piece of literature (fiction) as a protocol.

But how many dystopian novels are written as diaries or accounts of fictional persons?

Does that mean that a novel that is written in the genre of a fictional diary is a fake?

Only fools can assume that the chosen by the author literary genre of fictional protocols means that this piece of dystopian literature does not have any value and is a "fake".

Did the author of this fiction really claim that there were really some protocols?

No, because we only have this piece of literature, but the author is unknown.

The predictive power of Orwell's dystopian novels (like "1984") or the the anonymous "Protocols" (that is also dystopian literature, though the author is unknown), makes these fiction works so important.

The protocols were written by a Russian author and then altered during the reign of the communists. The islamonazi's got hold and created a whole fiction around them. Compared to the original book it is full of fantasy and make believe.
The author didn't make any claims, that was left to the muslims to do, and like UN res 242 they alter to suit their POV

As for the dinosaurs we have fossil records that prove their existence, and it is only religious extremists that deny their existence.
We have no evidence prior to the fictional account of there ever existed a group known as the Khazars.

They actually go back to attacks on Napoleon, not jews. They get remade to suit the hate of each group. It was fiction and still is.

 

[Hossfly]

It's amusing to see the anti-Semites...

Why do wanna-be Semites constantly talk about "anti-Semites"?
Can the wanna-be Semites prove that they are really Semites?

I stand corrected. "Anti-Semites" is a PC distinction. The correct description is "Jew-hatin' sonsabitches." Thanks for the catch.

 

[Art__Allm]

Because to call doubt on the evidence of them being Jews is anti Semitism

Nobody denies that they are Jews or Zionists.
But white Jews who hate the native Semites of Palestine, have to prove that they themselves are Semites, before calling real Semites "Anti-Semites".

Can you get my drift?

 

[aris2chat]

...the Jews admit that they have admixtures of genes from many converts and this led to a stronger race.

There are many different Jewish races.
Ashkenazi, Mizrahi, Ethipian Jews and Asian Jews are completely different groups that did not intermix till the creation of Israel.

Sephardic and Ashkenazi Jews who lived in Europe had different communities, different Synagogues, and even different Cemeteries. They never intermixed.

And even in Israel these groups are separated. The white European Jews are hated by dark skinned Jews, and vice versa. They have segregated schools, and the black Jewish women were even treated with Depo-Provera against their will.

White Jewish doctors managed to reduce the fertility of black Jewish women to a minimum, meanwhile the fertility of white Jewish women increased in the last decades.

Is that not a crime, committed by white racists in Israel?

Israel's health ministry is investigating claims that Ethiopian women are being injected with a controversial contraceptive without their knowledge or consent.

Thousands of Ethiopian women are said to be receiving shots of Depo-Provera every three months in Israeli clinics. The contraceptive stops menstruation and has been linked to fertility problems and osteoporosis.

Ethiopian women in Israel given contraceptive without consent World news The Guardian

The tribes of Israel were scattered across the world by those trying to destroy them. Like all people they evolved to the condition they live in. Most faiths like to keep their people to marry within their faith. Muslims marry muslims, christians marry christians. It has really only been since globalization that more people have mixed marriages and they have to decide their own way to raise their family. Many people might believe in the faith of their youth but have found corruption within their church/house of worship. They reject the manipulation and found their own path to make them better people, not mindless drones being programed.

PS, childbirth and nursing can lead to osteoporosis, leaching the calcium from the bones. Birth control, not sterilization, can have many benefits short term. Keeping those not physically, mentally or facially ready for a child is not a bad thing. When a person is ready to be a parent they can have or adopt a child in a number of ways. We already have a population growth in the world that is unsustainable. Limiting or delaying having children is better for the family. Limiting the number of children a family can have might be widespread around the world some day. Right now we are running out of the resources from food, to fertile land, to health care and education. There are not enough jobs and not enough money for social services to help those most in need. If there is only enough resources for 10 billion people, what will you do with the other 7 billion people? How will people afford water when it become more precious that gold? Even if we desalinize and conserve our water, we deplete the oceans and further destroy the planet. Maintaining a manageable population might have to be our future. Birth control is being offered and used around the world. Even good birth control methods are not full proof. Giving women power over their own body is healthier and safer. Are you personally going to adopt and care for all the unwanted babies in the world? Why should you force a women to have children until she is ready?

 

[Phoenall]

No different to what islam does when it ethnically cleanses non muslims from their lands to stop them from breeding is it

 

[Phoenall]

Because to call doubt on the evidence of them being Jews is anti Semitism

Nobody denies that they are Jews or Zionists.
But white Jews who hate the native Semites of Palestine, have to prove that they themselves are Semites, before calling real Semites "Anti-Semites".

Can you get my drift?

Yes and all you are doing is heaping more proof that you are a NAZI ANTI SEMITI JEW HATER.

they have already proven they are related to the Jews of Judea and Samaria of 4,500 years in the past, of course there are a small number that don't match and these are the converts to Judaism

 

[Art__Allm]

No different to what islam does when it ethnically cleanses non muslims from their lands to stop them from breeding is it

What?

The white Jewish doctors stopped many black Jewish women in Israel from breeding.

Don't you see the difference?

If white and black Jews were feeling like one single ethnic group, why would white doctors be eager to destroy the fertility of black Jewish women, speak to reduce the number of black Jews in Israel?

 

[Art__Allm]

they have already proven they are related to the Jews of Judea and Samaria of 4,500 years in the past

Well, all people on our earth are related in some degree to each other, but this does not give some crazy people a special right to kick out the natives, because some of their ancestors presumably lived in some land 4,500 years ago.

First Europeans migrated from Africa many thousands years ago.
Does that mean that Europeans can "return" to Africa, and kick out the native Africans?

If somebody decided to "return" to some land after 4,500 years, and kick out the native population, he would be put into the loony bin.

But Zionists did precisely that, and they still get away with it!

BTW, nobody hates all Jews, and nobody is obliged to love all Jews.

The same with Christians or Muslims.

But people who hate Christians and Muslims usually whine about the presumed "Jew-Hate", when the crimes of Zionists are exposed.

 

[Penelope]

You can read about them in the Jewish encyl. There are no DNA studies specific for Jews and Ashkenazim are from Europe not the Levant. There is no special Jewish blood or DNA. Judeans were said to be jews, not all Israelites by the way. Is-Ra-El would be the only reason for Jacob to mediate on changing his name.

Why not do some research on the latest findings of the DNA studies, Penelope? I think many of us realize by now that you are an anti-Semite and can't find enough derogatory things to say about the Jews. Do you think that you can break down and tell us what NeoNazi/Islamofascist hate site you first learned about these "Khazars?" That was the only way you would have initially even heard the word "Khazar." It would be interesting to know how many of the anti-Semites here use the same hate site. Meanwhile, many Germans settled in the area of America Penelope claims she lives in, and I would be willing to bet that she has the same DNA as the Nazis who hated the Jews as she does.

The Nazis don't have DNA , Nazism is the German Socialist Workers Party. I have researched the DNA and there is no Jewish DNA, the most that can do is tell what part of the globe that person had more in common with, and the Ashkenazim have more in common with the eastern European area, not the Levant. Facts are facts. There are not many races, 4 or they say 5 at the most, and it goes by physical features of the head and face and skin color. Lets face it , even the Jewish Library says the diaspora begun in 500 bc and in 300 bc, the Jews from Babylon and Judea had intermarried , even the Priests. So unless that person practices Judaism, they are Judaic, but Jew is an old term used for those who lived in Judea. They turned into other people. Since so many were in the Kiev area, they must of been a different people with a different language.

You are trying so hard here Penelope, just like a Nazi would, but you are getting to sound so desperate in trying to prove that certain Jews are really not Jews. Sieg Heil. Those World War II Nazis would have been proud of you. Do your research on the latest findings about the Jews. Then do your research to find that we all have part of our DNA showing that we come out of Africa. Isn't that something? Africa is certainly a far cry from your home.

Oh we are all mixed breeds, I have no illusions, even Obama said he was a mutt , but not Jews, they are special and deserve to be worshipped and the "chosen ones" bow down now, and ask a Jew for forgiveness, and then worship there , your doing just fine.

When you go to the Jewish Ency they spell it Chazars, why do you think there were do many Jews in Ukraine and Russia.

Fuk ya.

Dream on, not on your life.

 

[Penelope]

Jew is not a race. Christianity is not a race, nor is Muslim. They want it to be race as they want a jewish state, how racist is that. Since jews refer to themselves as Semites they are descendants of Shem.

We must never forget Stalin Jews:

And us, the Jews? An Israeli student finishes high school without ever hearing the name "Genrikh Yagoda," the greatest Jewish murderer of the 20th Century, the GPU's deputy commander and the founder and commander of the NKVD.
Yagoda diligently implemented Stalin's collectivization orders and is responsible for the deaths of at least 10 million people. His Jewish deputies established and managed the Gulag system. After Stalin no longer viewed him favorably, Yagoda was demoted and executed, and was replaced as chief hangman in 1936 by Yezhov, the "bloodthirsty http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7...342999,00.html

Pakistan and Iran are both called the 'Islamic Republic' . IS that also racist ?

You have a seriously demented obsession with Jews. WTF does Stalin's Jews have to do with anything?? Please tell your doctor you need new meds !

Look it up. I am a little tired of doing your homework for you.

 

[Phoenall]

No different to what islam does when it ethnically cleanses non muslims from their lands to stop them from breeding is it

What?

The white Jewish doctors stopped many black Jewish women in Israel from breeding.

Don't you see the difference?

If white and black Jews were feeling like one single ethnic group, why would white doctors be eager to destroy the fertility of black Jewish women, speak to reduce the number of black Jews in Israel?

Yes but you don't, the muslims just kill them in cold blood. At least the Jews allow them to live

 

[toastman]

Jew is not a race. Christianity is not a race, nor is Muslim. They want it to be race as they want a jewish state, how racist is that. Since jews refer to themselves as Semites they are descendants of Shem.

We must never forget Stalin Jews:

And us, the Jews? An Israeli student finishes high school without ever hearing the name "Genrikh Yagoda," the greatest Jewish murderer of the 20th Century, the GPU's deputy commander and the founder and commander of the NKVD.
Yagoda diligently implemented Stalin's collectivization orders and is responsible for the deaths of at least 10 million people. His Jewish deputies established and managed the Gulag system. After Stalin no longer viewed him favorably, Yagoda was demoted and executed, and was replaced as chief hangman in 1936 by Yezhov, the "bloodthirsty http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7...342999,00.html

Pakistan and Iran are both called the 'Islamic Republic' . IS that also racist ?

You have a seriously demented obsession with Jews. WTF does Stalin's Jews have to do with anything?? Please tell your doctor you need new meds !

Look it up. I am a little tired of doing your homework for you.

Look what up ?? It was a rhetorical question !

 

[Art__Allm]

Pakistan and Iran are both called the 'Islamic Republic' . IS that also racist ?

So Israel is a theocratic country, like Pakistan or Iran?

Wow!



Next time the controlled media tells us that Israel shares "our values", I will refer to your quote.



BTW, are Jews a religious group, like Muslims, or an ethnic/racial group?

Everybody can become a Muslim, but Zionists claim to have a "special ancestry" that gives them (due to their presumed bloodline) special right to "return" to a country after 2000 years, because they claim that their ancestors stem from this country, and they believe that they have the right to kick out the native population of this country.

It seems that Zionists do not care a lot about the religion, they care more about their supposed bloodline.

The Muslims do not care about their bloodline, everybody can become a Muslim.

So how can you compare Israel with theocratic Muslim states?

 

[Penelope]

Jew is not a race. Christianity is not a race, nor is Muslim. They want it to be race as they want a jewish state, how racist is that. Since jews refer to themselves as Semites they are descendants of Shem.

We must never forget Stalin Jews:

And us, the Jews? An Israeli student finishes high school without ever hearing the name "Genrikh Yagoda," the greatest Jewish murderer of the 20th Century, the GPU's deputy commander and the founder and commander of the NKVD.
Yagoda diligently implemented Stalin's collectivization orders and is responsible for the deaths of at least 10 million people. His Jewish deputies established and managed the Gulag system. After Stalin no longer viewed him favorably, Yagoda was demoted and executed, and was replaced as chief hangman in 1936 by Yezhov, the "bloodthirsty http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7...342999,00.html

Pakistan and Iran are both called the 'Islamic Republic' . IS that also racist ?

You have a seriously demented obsession with Jews. WTF does Stalin's Jews have to do with anything?? Please tell your doctor you need new meds !

Look it up. I am a little tired of doing your homework for you.

Look what up ?? It was a rhetorical question !

Look up Stalin Jews. Or stay ignorant.

 

[Art__Allm]

Yes but you don't, the muslims just kill them in cold blood. At least the Jews allow them to live

What Muslims?

Do you to tar all Muslims with the same brush?

If somebody would tar all Jews with the same brush, Zionists would cry and whine, and call this "Jew-Hate".

BTW, Muslims and Christians lived in piece for many centuries, till the Zionists started their support of radical Muslims, started their false flag operations to instigate hate between these religious groups.

There were and still are huge Christian communities in Egypt, Syria and other Muslim countries, and there are still about 40 000 Jews who live in Iran.

So your talk about Muslims killing Christians or Jews is just the usual Zionist Hasbara.

 

[toastman]

Pakistan and Iran are both called the 'Islamic Republic' . IS that also racist ?

So Israel is a theocratic country, like Pakistan or Iran?

Wow!



Next time the controlled media tells us that Israel shares "our values", I will refer to your quote.



BTW, are Jews a religious group, like Muslims, or an ethnic/racial group?

Everybody can become a Muslim, but Zionists claim to have a "special ancestry" that gives them (due to their presumed bloodline) special right to "return" to a country after 2000 years, because they claim that their ancestors stem from this country, and they believe that they have the right to kick out the native population of this country.

It seems that Zionists do not care a lot about the religion, they care more about their supposed bloodline.

The Muslims do not care about their bloodline, everybody can become a Muslim.

So how can you compare Israel with theocratic Muslim states?

Wow, you have SERIOUS issues with reading comprehension !

Nowhere in my post did I compare Israel to any Muslim states. I was merely referring to the fact that Iran and Pakistan are also referred to as the Islamic Republic of, just like Israel is sometimes referred to the Jewish State of. So if she considers the latter to be racist, then the Islamic Republic of should also be considered racist.

Basically, I'm showing her that she is a biased hypocrite.

 

[toastman]

Pakistan and Iran are both called the 'Islamic Republic' . IS that also racist ?

So Israel is a theocratic country, like Pakistan or Iran?

Wow!



Next time the controlled media tells us that Israel shares "our values", I will refer to your quote.



BTW, are Jews a religious group, like Muslims, or an ethnic/racial group?

Everybody can become a Muslim, but Zionists claim to have a "special ancestry" that gives them (due to their presumed bloodline) special right to "return" to a country after 2000 years, because they claim that their ancestors stem from this country, and they believe that they have the right to kick out the native population of this country.

It seems that Zionists do not care a lot about the religion, they care more about their supposed bloodline.

The Muslims do not care about their bloodline, everybody can become a Muslim.

So how can you compare Israel with theocratic Muslim states?

"but Zionists claim to have a "special ancestry" that gives them (due to their presumed bloodline) special right to "return" to a country after 2000 years, because they claim that their ancestors stem from this country, and they believe that they have the right to kick out the native population of this country."

Every religion has its share of extremists. But most Jews do not feel that way and yes, you can become Jewish by converting.

 

[toastman]

Jew is not a race. Christianity is not a race, nor is Muslim. They want it to be race as they want a jewish state, how racist is that. Since jews refer to themselves as Semites they are descendants of Shem.

We must never forget Stalin Jews:

And us, the Jews? An Israeli student finishes high school without ever hearing the name "Genrikh Yagoda," the greatest Jewish murderer of the 20th Century, the GPU's deputy commander and the founder and commander of the NKVD.
Yagoda diligently implemented Stalin's collectivization orders and is responsible for the deaths of at least 10 million people. His Jewish deputies established and managed the Gulag system. After Stalin no longer viewed him favorably, Yagoda was demoted and executed, and was replaced as chief hangman in 1936 by Yezhov, the "bloodthirsty http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7...342999,00.html

Pakistan and Iran are both called the 'Islamic Republic' . IS that also racist ?

You have a seriously demented obsession with Jews. WTF does Stalin's Jews have to do with anything?? Please tell your doctor you need new meds !

Look it up. I am a little tired of doing your homework for you.

Look what up ?? It was a rhetorical question !

Look up Stalin Jews. Or stay ignorant.

I already know about that, but you brought it up when it had NOTHING to do with the post you were quoting.

 

[Art__Allm]

and yes, you can become Jewish by converting.

Yes, of course!

Most Ashkenazi are descendants of Khazars and Slavs who converted to Judaism.

Is it not crazy that a group of people, who stem from converts, claims some land as their ancestral land, if this religious group (due to the mass conversion) has nothing to do with people who lived 2000 or 3000 years ago?

Is Zionism not a crazy ideology, that claims their right to a special land due to the supposed bloodline of converts to Judaism?

 

[toastman]

and yes, you can become Jewish by converting.

Yes, of course!

Most Ashkenazi are descendants of Khazars and Slavs who converted to Judaism.

Is it not crazy that a group of people, who stem from converts, claims some land as their ancestral land, if this religious group (due to the mass conversion) has nothing to do with people who lived 2000 or 3000 years ago?

Is Zionism not a crazy ideology, that claims their right to a special land due to the supposed bloodline of converts to Judaism?

Just because YOU believe in the Khazar myth, doesn't make it true. There is no proof of a mass conversion. The Khazar myth is simply yet another attack on the Jewish people.