Immigrants Grow American GDP

[HappyJoy]

What happens when you have 1.3 million more job openings than unemployed workers seeking jobs?

Economic Antidote for a Shrinking America: Immigrants

"At the moment, there are 7.3 million job openings nationwide and six million people unemployed. That gap is expected to widen as the number of retirees grows faster than the number of new workers...."

Ten thousand baby boomers retire every day, and US birth rates are at a three decade low:

"Using census data, the investment company the Blackstone Group estimates that without immigration, the working-age population between 25 and 64 years old would drop by 17 million by 2035.

"'We really need immigrants,' Byron R. Wien, vice chairman of Blackstone’s Private Wealth Solutions group, said during the company’s quarterly webcast last month. 'If we have a shrinking population, it’s going to be tough to have rising G.D.P.,' or gross domestic product."

"This past tomato season, DiMare Fresh, a family-owned distributor with farms in Florida and California, had scores of unfilled jobs..."

"Tomato season in Florida doesn’t resume until November. In the meantime, Mr. DiMare shakes his head when asked about detentions at the border and deportation raids.

"'They want to send all these people back,' he said. 'Who the hell is going to do all this work?'"

AUTOMATION! Its coming anyway and we have to deport 22 million illegal scumballs.

Indeed. Only a democrat is dumb enough to argue at the same time that automation is replacing all the jobs, and that we need more cheap labor. Pick one for fucks sake.

Automation isn't replacing all the jobs.

 

[Norman]

No.

Yes

Increasing immigration reduces job opportunities, education opportunities and ultimately income and family opportunities for everyone not at the very top. Most people in areas with high immigration move out to compete with Americans in neighboring cities, counties and states for an ever smaller pool of jobs and resources for which to start up families, and those who move into a new area end up spending MORE money and resources than they would have if they could stay in their hometowns(which means they will be living paycheck to paycheck for years and not be able to start a family) to then take away slots from the locals and dramatically decrease the number of people who can afford to have families.

The decrease of the birth rate in America directly lines up with the increase of immigration.

No and especially when we aren't filling the open jobs we have now. From my original link.

Immigrants make up 17 percent of the U.S. labor force, according to the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics, but few experts believe they’re taking jobs from Americans, as Trump claims.

“Most economists agree that in spite of being a very big part of the labor force, immigrants have not come at the cost either of American jobs, nor of American wages,” Peri, the UC Davis professor, said.

The reason is that immigrants often have jobs that Americans tend not to take. So instead of competing with Americans’ for work, immigrants tend to complement American workers.

On a farm, for example, owners, managers and salespeople are often born in America. Immigrants tend to work as field hands. Neither group could do their job without the other.

Immigrants who work as child care providers give Americans, specifically women, more opportunity to join the labor force. And immigrants are playing an increasingly critical role in taking care of the elderly as baby boomers retire. Census data shows that immigrants accounted for 24 percent of nursing, psychiatric and home care aides in 2015.

A study from the bipartisan research organization New American Economy found immigrants were 15 percent more likely to work unusual hours than similar U.S.-born workers. They are also more likely to be employed in dangerous jobs, according to data from the American Community Survey and Bureau of Statistics.

In addition, the latest jobs report shows the U.S. economy performing strongly enough that it can absorb large numbers of workers, including immigrants.

Immigrants fill those roles in part because they are on average less educated than native-born Americans. About 26 percent have less than a high school degree, compared to 5 percent of native-born workers, according to the Urban Institute. But one in three immigrant workers have a college or advanced degree, a rate on par with Americans born here. Unauthorized immigrants tend to have slightly lower education levels; about 13 percent have college degrees.

Immigrants take the jobs that teenagers and college students never got the opportunity to apply for, which means that young Americans either aim way too high and spend tens of thousands of their and their parent's money only to fail and wind up unemployed or underemployed, or they start employment much later and stay as a blue collar worker for most of their lives only to never get anywhere.

Guess who used to work the farms as field hands before immigration? That's right, teenagers and less educated Americans, the same people whom you claim immigrants aren't taking the jobs from.

Your stats also contradict the article you posted. Not only have immigrants eliminated lower end jobs for Americans but according to the New American Economy immigrants are starting to eliminate Americans with middle class wages as well. Nursing is the most requested field on college campuses today, so immigrants are literally going to kill off the remainder of the middle class before they get out of college.

A mistake is in believing that the op is honest, it's not. He could care less about the facts.

With these kind of people, who are entirely motivated by their hatred of America, the only answer is to tell them to fuck off and pack their bags.

Nah, we're too busy unpacking the bags of people who want to be here. Enjoy it.

You should start packing their bags as well. Trump deportation force has a few things to say about your illegal friends.

 

[ptbw forever]

Increasing immigration is what destroyed the middle class and caused the job openings to happen in the first place, boi.

No.

Yes

Increasing immigration reduces job opportunities, education opportunities and ultimately income and family opportunities for everyone not at the very top. Most people in areas with high immigration move out to compete with Americans in neighboring cities, counties and states for an ever smaller pool of jobs and resources for which to start up families, and those who move into a new area end up spending MORE money and resources than they would have if they could stay in their hometowns(which means they will be living paycheck to paycheck for years and not be able to start a family) to then take away slots from the locals and dramatically decrease the number of people who can afford to have families.

The decrease of the birth rate in America directly lines up with the increase of immigration.

No and especially when we aren't filling the open jobs we have now. From my original link.

Immigrants make up 17 percent of the U.S. labor force, according to the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics, but few experts believe they’re taking jobs from Americans, as Trump claims.

“Most economists agree that in spite of being a very big part of the labor force, immigrants have not come at the cost either of American jobs, nor of American wages,” Peri, the UC Davis professor, said.

The reason is that immigrants often have jobs that Americans tend not to take. So instead of competing with Americans’ for work, immigrants tend to complement American workers.

On a farm, for example, owners, managers and salespeople are often born in America. Immigrants tend to work as field hands. Neither group could do their job without the other.

Immigrants who work as child care providers give Americans, specifically women, more opportunity to join the labor force. And immigrants are playing an increasingly critical role in taking care of the elderly as baby boomers retire. Census data shows that immigrants accounted for 24 percent of nursing, psychiatric and home care aides in 2015.

A study from the bipartisan research organization New American Economy found immigrants were 15 percent more likely to work unusual hours than similar U.S.-born workers. They are also more likely to be employed in dangerous jobs, according to data from the American Community Survey and Bureau of Statistics.

In addition, the latest jobs report shows the U.S. economy performing strongly enough that it can absorb large numbers of workers, including immigrants.

Immigrants fill those roles in part because they are on average less educated than native-born Americans. About 26 percent have less than a high school degree, compared to 5 percent of native-born workers, according to the Urban Institute. But one in three immigrant workers have a college or advanced degree, a rate on par with Americans born here. Unauthorized immigrants tend to have slightly lower education levels; about 13 percent have college degrees.

Immigrants take the jobs that teenagers and college students never got the opportunity to apply for, which means that young Americans either aim way too high and spend tens of thousands of their and their parent's money only to fail and wind up unemployed or underemployed, or they start employment much later and stay as a blue collar worker for most of their lives only to never get anywhere.

Guess who used to work the farms as field hands before immigration? That's right, teenagers and less educated Americans, the same people whom you claim immigrants aren't taking the jobs from.

Your stats also contradict the article you posted. Not only have immigrants eliminated lower end jobs for Americans but according to the New American Economy immigrants are starting to eliminate Americans with middle class wages as well. Nursing is the most requested field on college campuses today, so immigrants are literally going to kill off the remainder of the middle class before they get out of college.

We're basically at full employment and jobs aren't being filled. If you think a teenager is the best idea for elderly care or seasonal farming then knock yourself out but most of them go to school.

Jobs that kids and most Americans are not qualified to have or jobs that Americans haven't done in decades because they quietly were filled by immigrants before anyone even knew they were open.

Without immigration the birth rate would have stayed well above replacement and there would be every kind of worker imaginable as far as the eye can see.

 

[ptbw forever]

No.

Yes

Increasing immigration reduces job opportunities, education opportunities and ultimately income and family opportunities for everyone not at the very top. Most people in areas with high immigration move out to compete with Americans in neighboring cities, counties and states for an ever smaller pool of jobs and resources for which to start up families, and those who move into a new area end up spending MORE money and resources than they would have if they could stay in their hometowns(which means they will be living paycheck to paycheck for years and not be able to start a family) to then take away slots from the locals and dramatically decrease the number of people who can afford to have families.

The decrease of the birth rate in America directly lines up with the increase of immigration.

No and especially when we aren't filling the open jobs we have now. From my original link.

Immigrants make up 17 percent of the U.S. labor force, according to the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics, but few experts believe they’re taking jobs from Americans, as Trump claims.

“Most economists agree that in spite of being a very big part of the labor force, immigrants have not come at the cost either of American jobs, nor of American wages,” Peri, the UC Davis professor, said.

The reason is that immigrants often have jobs that Americans tend not to take. So instead of competing with Americans’ for work, immigrants tend to complement American workers.

On a farm, for example, owners, managers and salespeople are often born in America. Immigrants tend to work as field hands. Neither group could do their job without the other.

Immigrants who work as child care providers give Americans, specifically women, more opportunity to join the labor force. And immigrants are playing an increasingly critical role in taking care of the elderly as baby boomers retire. Census data shows that immigrants accounted for 24 percent of nursing, psychiatric and home care aides in 2015.

A study from the bipartisan research organization New American Economy found immigrants were 15 percent more likely to work unusual hours than similar U.S.-born workers. They are also more likely to be employed in dangerous jobs, according to data from the American Community Survey and Bureau of Statistics.

In addition, the latest jobs report shows the U.S. economy performing strongly enough that it can absorb large numbers of workers, including immigrants.

Immigrants fill those roles in part because they are on average less educated than native-born Americans. About 26 percent have less than a high school degree, compared to 5 percent of native-born workers, according to the Urban Institute. But one in three immigrant workers have a college or advanced degree, a rate on par with Americans born here. Unauthorized immigrants tend to have slightly lower education levels; about 13 percent have college degrees.

Immigrants take the jobs that teenagers and college students never got the opportunity to apply for, which means that young Americans either aim way too high and spend tens of thousands of their and their parent's money only to fail and wind up unemployed or underemployed, or they start employment much later and stay as a blue collar worker for most of their lives only to never get anywhere.

Guess who used to work the farms as field hands before immigration? That's right, teenagers and less educated Americans, the same people whom you claim immigrants aren't taking the jobs from.

Your stats also contradict the article you posted. Not only have immigrants eliminated lower end jobs for Americans but according to the New American Economy immigrants are starting to eliminate Americans with middle class wages as well. Nursing is the most requested field on college campuses today, so immigrants are literally going to kill off the remainder of the middle class before they get out of college.

Without immigrants America would be a joke. Eating greasy hamburgers and living in their trailers. It is Mexicans who built the construction of many new homes. It is the Mexicans who feed you good foods, from farm to table. It is Mexicans who build GDP. Without Mexicans we would have a huge labor shortage, and GDP would tank. There is also all the Indians, and Chinese who make Silicon Valley what it is too. America is great because of immigrants.

Yep, I am living in a home built by Mexicans, there is not enough labor in Arizona to do the job.

Entirely due to immigration.

 

[Norman]

What happens when you have 1.3 million more job openings than unemployed workers seeking jobs?

Economic Antidote for a Shrinking America: Immigrants

"At the moment, there are 7.3 million job openings nationwide and six million people unemployed. That gap is expected to widen as the number of retirees grows faster than the number of new workers...."

Ten thousand baby boomers retire every day, and US birth rates are at a three decade low:

"Using census data, the investment company the Blackstone Group estimates that without immigration, the working-age population between 25 and 64 years old would drop by 17 million by 2035.

"'We really need immigrants,' Byron R. Wien, vice chairman of Blackstone’s Private Wealth Solutions group, said during the company’s quarterly webcast last month. 'If we have a shrinking population, it’s going to be tough to have rising G.D.P.,' or gross domestic product."

"This past tomato season, DiMare Fresh, a family-owned distributor with farms in Florida and California, had scores of unfilled jobs..."

"Tomato season in Florida doesn’t resume until November. In the meantime, Mr. DiMare shakes his head when asked about detentions at the border and deportation raids.

"'They want to send all these people back,' he said. 'Who the hell is going to do all this work?'"

AUTOMATION! Its coming anyway and we have to deport 22 million illegal scumballs.

Indeed. Only a democrat is dumb enough to argue at the same time that automation is replacing all the jobs, and that we need more cheap labor. Pick one for fucks sake.

Automation isn't replacing all the jobs.

If people need to be paid since there are no jobs, yes, then the labor force is too big you moron.

Time to pack the bags.

 

[ptbw forever]

What happens when you have 1.3 million more job openings than unemployed workers seeking jobs?

Economic Antidote for a Shrinking America: Immigrants

"At the moment, there are 7.3 million job openings nationwide and six million people unemployed. That gap is expected to widen as the number of retirees grows faster than the number of new workers...."

Ten thousand baby boomers retire every day, and US birth rates are at a three decade low:

"Using census data, the investment company the Blackstone Group estimates that without immigration, the working-age population between 25 and 64 years old would drop by 17 million by 2035.

"'We really need immigrants,' Byron R. Wien, vice chairman of Blackstone’s Private Wealth Solutions group, said during the company’s quarterly webcast last month. 'If we have a shrinking population, it’s going to be tough to have rising G.D.P.,' or gross domestic product."

"This past tomato season, DiMare Fresh, a family-owned distributor with farms in Florida and California, had scores of unfilled jobs..."

"Tomato season in Florida doesn’t resume until November. In the meantime, Mr. DiMare shakes his head when asked about detentions at the border and deportation raids.

"'They want to send all these people back,' he said. 'Who the hell is going to do all this work?'"

AUTOMATION! Its coming anyway and we have to deport 22 million illegal scumballs.

Indeed. Only a democrat is dumb enough to argue at the same time that automation is replacing all the jobs, and that we need more cheap labor. Pick one for fucks sake.

Automation isn't replacing all the jobs.

Automation isn't replacing any jobs.

 

[HappyJoy]

Yes

Increasing immigration reduces job opportunities, education opportunities and ultimately income and family opportunities for everyone not at the very top. Most people in areas with high immigration move out to compete with Americans in neighboring cities, counties and states for an ever smaller pool of jobs and resources for which to start up families, and those who move into a new area end up spending MORE money and resources than they would have if they could stay in their hometowns(which means they will be living paycheck to paycheck for years and not be able to start a family) to then take away slots from the locals and dramatically decrease the number of people who can afford to have families.

The decrease of the birth rate in America directly lines up with the increase of immigration.

No and especially when we aren't filling the open jobs we have now. From my original link.

Immigrants make up 17 percent of the U.S. labor force, according to the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics, but few experts believe they’re taking jobs from Americans, as Trump claims.

“Most economists agree that in spite of being a very big part of the labor force, immigrants have not come at the cost either of American jobs, nor of American wages,” Peri, the UC Davis professor, said.

The reason is that immigrants often have jobs that Americans tend not to take. So instead of competing with Americans’ for work, immigrants tend to complement American workers.

On a farm, for example, owners, managers and salespeople are often born in America. Immigrants tend to work as field hands. Neither group could do their job without the other.

Immigrants who work as child care providers give Americans, specifically women, more opportunity to join the labor force. And immigrants are playing an increasingly critical role in taking care of the elderly as baby boomers retire. Census data shows that immigrants accounted for 24 percent of nursing, psychiatric and home care aides in 2015.

A study from the bipartisan research organization New American Economy found immigrants were 15 percent more likely to work unusual hours than similar U.S.-born workers. They are also more likely to be employed in dangerous jobs, according to data from the American Community Survey and Bureau of Statistics.

In addition, the latest jobs report shows the U.S. economy performing strongly enough that it can absorb large numbers of workers, including immigrants.

Immigrants fill those roles in part because they are on average less educated than native-born Americans. About 26 percent have less than a high school degree, compared to 5 percent of native-born workers, according to the Urban Institute. But one in three immigrant workers have a college or advanced degree, a rate on par with Americans born here. Unauthorized immigrants tend to have slightly lower education levels; about 13 percent have college degrees.

Immigrants take the jobs that teenagers and college students never got the opportunity to apply for, which means that young Americans either aim way too high and spend tens of thousands of their and their parent's money only to fail and wind up unemployed or underemployed, or they start employment much later and stay as a blue collar worker for most of their lives only to never get anywhere.

Guess who used to work the farms as field hands before immigration? That's right, teenagers and less educated Americans, the same people whom you claim immigrants aren't taking the jobs from.

Your stats also contradict the article you posted. Not only have immigrants eliminated lower end jobs for Americans but according to the New American Economy immigrants are starting to eliminate Americans with middle class wages as well. Nursing is the most requested field on college campuses today, so immigrants are literally going to kill off the remainder of the middle class before they get out of college.

Without immigrants America would be a joke. Eating greasy hamburgers and living in their trailers. It is Mexicans who built the construction of many new homes. It is the Mexicans who feed you good foods, from farm to table. It is Mexicans who build GDP. Without Mexicans we would have a huge labor shortage, and GDP would tank. There is also all the Indians, and Chinese who make Silicon Valley what it is too. America is great because of immigrants.

Yep, I am living in a home built by Mexicans, there is not enough labor in Arizona to do the job.

Entirely due to immigration.

Nope, there isn't enough labor to build. Also, whitey don't build houses in the summer.

 

[Norman]

No and especially when we aren't filling the open jobs we have now. From my original link.

Immigrants make up 17 percent of the U.S. labor force, according to the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics, but few experts believe they’re taking jobs from Americans, as Trump claims.

“Most economists agree that in spite of being a very big part of the labor force, immigrants have not come at the cost either of American jobs, nor of American wages,” Peri, the UC Davis professor, said.

The reason is that immigrants often have jobs that Americans tend not to take. So instead of competing with Americans’ for work, immigrants tend to complement American workers.

On a farm, for example, owners, managers and salespeople are often born in America. Immigrants tend to work as field hands. Neither group could do their job without the other.

Immigrants who work as child care providers give Americans, specifically women, more opportunity to join the labor force. And immigrants are playing an increasingly critical role in taking care of the elderly as baby boomers retire. Census data shows that immigrants accounted for 24 percent of nursing, psychiatric and home care aides in 2015.

A study from the bipartisan research organization New American Economy found immigrants were 15 percent more likely to work unusual hours than similar U.S.-born workers. They are also more likely to be employed in dangerous jobs, according to data from the American Community Survey and Bureau of Statistics.

In addition, the latest jobs report shows the U.S. economy performing strongly enough that it can absorb large numbers of workers, including immigrants.

Immigrants fill those roles in part because they are on average less educated than native-born Americans. About 26 percent have less than a high school degree, compared to 5 percent of native-born workers, according to the Urban Institute. But one in three immigrant workers have a college or advanced degree, a rate on par with Americans born here. Unauthorized immigrants tend to have slightly lower education levels; about 13 percent have college degrees.

Immigrants take the jobs that teenagers and college students never got the opportunity to apply for, which means that young Americans either aim way too high and spend tens of thousands of their and their parent's money only to fail and wind up unemployed or underemployed, or they start employment much later and stay as a blue collar worker for most of their lives only to never get anywhere.

Guess who used to work the farms as field hands before immigration? That's right, teenagers and less educated Americans, the same people whom you claim immigrants aren't taking the jobs from.

Your stats also contradict the article you posted. Not only have immigrants eliminated lower end jobs for Americans but according to the New American Economy immigrants are starting to eliminate Americans with middle class wages as well. Nursing is the most requested field on college campuses today, so immigrants are literally going to kill off the remainder of the middle class before they get out of college.

Without immigrants America would be a joke. Eating greasy hamburgers and living in their trailers. It is Mexicans who built the construction of many new homes. It is the Mexicans who feed you good foods, from farm to table. It is Mexicans who build GDP. Without Mexicans we would have a huge labor shortage, and GDP would tank. There is also all the Indians, and Chinese who make Silicon Valley what it is too. America is great because of immigrants.

Yep, I am living in a home built by Mexicans, there is not enough labor in Arizona to do the job.

Entirely due to immigration.

Nope, there isn't enough labor to build. Also, whitey don't build houses in the summer.

Good, let it come out. You want more immigration because you hate white people, don't you?

America is a white nation which must piss you off more than just about anything. Maybe instead of whining that your brown socialist friends are on the other side of the border, pack your bags and go live with them. Venezuela calls you, show us how awesome immigration is!

 

[ptbw forever]

No and especially when we aren't filling the open jobs we have now. From my original link.

Immigrants make up 17 percent of the U.S. labor force, according to the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics, but few experts believe they’re taking jobs from Americans, as Trump claims.

“Most economists agree that in spite of being a very big part of the labor force, immigrants have not come at the cost either of American jobs, nor of American wages,” Peri, the UC Davis professor, said.

The reason is that immigrants often have jobs that Americans tend not to take. So instead of competing with Americans’ for work, immigrants tend to complement American workers.

On a farm, for example, owners, managers and salespeople are often born in America. Immigrants tend to work as field hands. Neither group could do their job without the other.

Immigrants who work as child care providers give Americans, specifically women, more opportunity to join the labor force. And immigrants are playing an increasingly critical role in taking care of the elderly as baby boomers retire. Census data shows that immigrants accounted for 24 percent of nursing, psychiatric and home care aides in 2015.

A study from the bipartisan research organization New American Economy found immigrants were 15 percent more likely to work unusual hours than similar U.S.-born workers. They are also more likely to be employed in dangerous jobs, according to data from the American Community Survey and Bureau of Statistics.

In addition, the latest jobs report shows the U.S. economy performing strongly enough that it can absorb large numbers of workers, including immigrants.

Immigrants fill those roles in part because they are on average less educated than native-born Americans. About 26 percent have less than a high school degree, compared to 5 percent of native-born workers, according to the Urban Institute. But one in three immigrant workers have a college or advanced degree, a rate on par with Americans born here. Unauthorized immigrants tend to have slightly lower education levels; about 13 percent have college degrees.

Immigrants take the jobs that teenagers and college students never got the opportunity to apply for, which means that young Americans either aim way too high and spend tens of thousands of their and their parent's money only to fail and wind up unemployed or underemployed, or they start employment much later and stay as a blue collar worker for most of their lives only to never get anywhere.

Guess who used to work the farms as field hands before immigration? That's right, teenagers and less educated Americans, the same people whom you claim immigrants aren't taking the jobs from.

Your stats also contradict the article you posted. Not only have immigrants eliminated lower end jobs for Americans but according to the New American Economy immigrants are starting to eliminate Americans with middle class wages as well. Nursing is the most requested field on college campuses today, so immigrants are literally going to kill off the remainder of the middle class before they get out of college.

Without immigrants America would be a joke. Eating greasy hamburgers and living in their trailers. It is Mexicans who built the construction of many new homes. It is the Mexicans who feed you good foods, from farm to table. It is Mexicans who build GDP. Without Mexicans we would have a huge labor shortage, and GDP would tank. There is also all the Indians, and Chinese who make Silicon Valley what it is too. America is great because of immigrants.

Yep, I am living in a home built by Mexicans, there is not enough labor in Arizona to do the job.

Entirely due to immigration.

Nope, there isn't enough labor to build. Also, whitey don't build houses in the summer.

So you think all the towns and cities in Arizona were built by Mexicans?

LOL

Mexicans building American houses is a much newer thing than you think, moron.

 

[georgephillip]

What happens when you have 1.3 million more job openings than unemployed workers seeking jobs?

Economic Antidote for a Shrinking America: Immigrants

"At the moment, there are 7.3 million job openings nationwide and six million people unemployed. That gap is expected to widen as the number of retirees grows faster than the number of new workers...."

Ten thousand baby boomers retire every day, and US birth rates are at a three decade low:

"Using census data, the investment company the Blackstone Group estimates that without immigration, the working-age population between 25 and 64 years old would drop by 17 million by 2035.

"'We really need immigrants,' Byron R. Wien, vice chairman of Blackstone’s Private Wealth Solutions group, said during the company’s quarterly webcast last month. 'If we have a shrinking population, it’s going to be tough to have rising G.D.P.,' or gross domestic product."

"This past tomato season, DiMare Fresh, a family-owned distributor with farms in Florida and California, had scores of unfilled jobs..."

"Tomato season in Florida doesn’t resume until November. In the meantime, Mr. DiMare shakes his head when asked about detentions at the border and deportation raids.

"'They want to send all these people back,' he said. 'Who the hell is going to do all this work?'"

Immigration is great.... everyone agrees. Perhaps you can advise how illegal immigration and open borders help US? That is the debate. Illegal Immigration and Open Borders have more social costs vs. legal immigration.

Immigration is great.... everyone agrees. Perhaps you can advise how illegal immigration and open borders help US? That is the debate. Illegal Immigration and Open Borders have more social costs vs. legal immigration.

I don' think open borders have ever been tried, and I suspect that's a wise course of action. If it's true the US is experiencing declining growth and population rates, admitting more migrants than we currently do would seem to make sense.

Is Immigration at Its Limit? Not for Employers

"Using census data, the investment company the Blackstone Group estimates that without immigration, the working-age population between 25 and 64 years old would drop by 17 million by 2035.

"'We really need immigrants,' Byron R. Wien, vice chairman of Blackstone’s Private Wealth Solutions group, said during the company’s quarterly webcast last month. 'If we have a shrinking population, it’s going to be tough to have rising G.D.P.,' or gross domestic product."

Do you have any thoughts on acceptable levels of legal immigration?

 

[Norman]

Immigrants take the jobs that teenagers and college students never got the opportunity to apply for, which means that young Americans either aim way too high and spend tens of thousands of their and their parent's money only to fail and wind up unemployed or underemployed, or they start employment much later and stay as a blue collar worker for most of their lives only to never get anywhere.

Guess who used to work the farms as field hands before immigration? That's right, teenagers and less educated Americans, the same people whom you claim immigrants aren't taking the jobs from.

Your stats also contradict the article you posted. Not only have immigrants eliminated lower end jobs for Americans but according to the New American Economy immigrants are starting to eliminate Americans with middle class wages as well. Nursing is the most requested field on college campuses today, so immigrants are literally going to kill off the remainder of the middle class before they get out of college.

Without immigrants America would be a joke. Eating greasy hamburgers and living in their trailers. It is Mexicans who built the construction of many new homes. It is the Mexicans who feed you good foods, from farm to table. It is Mexicans who build GDP. Without Mexicans we would have a huge labor shortage, and GDP would tank. There is also all the Indians, and Chinese who make Silicon Valley what it is too. America is great because of immigrants.

Yep, I am living in a home built by Mexicans, there is not enough labor in Arizona to do the job.

Entirely due to immigration.

Nope, there isn't enough labor to build. Also, whitey don't build houses in the summer.

So you think all the towns and cities in Arizona were built by Mexicans?

LOL

Mexicans building American houses is a much newer thing than you think, moron.

Instead of Mexican builders building his house here. How about Mexican builders build his house in Mexico? Now apply to houses of all the illegals as well, labor shortage solved!

I say a much better deal, and the guy gets to live in the middle of all those amazing potential immigrants as an added bonus.

 

[HappyJoy]

Without immigrants America would be a joke. Eating greasy hamburgers and living in their trailers. It is Mexicans who built the construction of many new homes. It is the Mexicans who feed you good foods, from farm to table. It is Mexicans who build GDP. Without Mexicans we would have a huge labor shortage, and GDP would tank. There is also all the Indians, and Chinese who make Silicon Valley what it is too. America is great because of immigrants.

Yep, I am living in a home built by Mexicans, there is not enough labor in Arizona to do the job.

Entirely due to immigration.

Nope, there isn't enough labor to build. Also, whitey don't build houses in the summer.

So you think all the towns and cities in Arizona were built by Mexicans?

LOL

Mexicans building American houses is a much newer thing than you think, moron.

Instead of Mexican builders building his house here. How about Mexican builders build his house in Mexico? Now apply to houses of all the illegals as well, labor shortage solved!

I say a much better deal, and the guy gets to live in the middle of all those amazing immigrants as an added bonus.

I'll stay here. Though I have looked at real estate in Puerto Penasco.

 

[Norman]

Yep, I am living in a home built by Mexicans, there is not enough labor in Arizona to do the job.

Entirely due to immigration.

Nope, there isn't enough labor to build. Also, whitey don't build houses in the summer.

So you think all the towns and cities in Arizona were built by Mexicans?

LOL

Mexicans building American houses is a much newer thing than you think, moron.

Instead of Mexican builders building his house here. How about Mexican builders build his house in Mexico? Now apply to houses of all the illegals as well, labor shortage solved!

I say a much better deal, and the guy gets to live in the middle of all those amazing immigrants as an added bonus.

I'll stay here. Though I have looked at real estate in Puerto Penasco.

But the Mexican GDP could be higher if you took your ass to the other side. Are you sure that you have thought this through?

 

[bripat9643]

Cutting immigration does not kill jobs, moron.

Cutting immigration means jobs won't be filled, boi.

Also, looks like overseas military may have to spend more money mailing in their ballots.

Costs to mail ballots may skyrocket for civilians, military living overseas

If only someone in the White House was thinking about consequences.

Increasing immigration is what destroyed the middle class and caused the job openings to happen in the first place, boi.

No.

Yes

Increasing immigration reduces job opportunities, education opportunities and ultimately income and family opportunities for everyone not at the very top. Most people in areas with high immigration move out to compete with Americans in neighboring cities, counties and states for an ever smaller pool of jobs and resources for which to start up families, and those who move into a new area end up spending MORE money and resources than they would have if they could stay in their hometowns(which means they will be living paycheck to paycheck for years and not be able to start a family) to then take away slots from the locals and dramatically decrease the number of people who can afford to have families.

The decrease of the birth rate in America directly lines up with the increase of immigration.

No and especially when we aren't filling the open jobs we have now. From my original link.

Immigrants make up 17 percent of the U.S. labor force, according to the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics, but few experts believe they’re taking jobs from Americans, as Trump claims.

“Most economists agree that in spite of being a very big part of the labor force, immigrants have not come at the cost either of American jobs, nor of American wages,” Peri, the UC Davis professor, said.

The reason is that immigrants often have jobs that Americans tend not to take. So instead of competing with Americans’ for work, immigrants tend to complement American workers.

On a farm, for example, owners, managers and salespeople are often born in America. Immigrants tend to work as field hands. Neither group could do their job without the other.

Immigrants who work as child care providers give Americans, specifically women, more opportunity to join the labor force. And immigrants are playing an increasingly critical role in taking care of the elderly as baby boomers retire. Census data shows that immigrants accounted for 24 percent of nursing, psychiatric and home care aides in 2015.

A study from the bipartisan research organization New American Economy found immigrants were 15 percent more likely to work unusual hours than similar U.S.-born workers. They are also more likely to be employed in dangerous jobs, according to data from the American Community Survey and Bureau of Statistics.

In addition, the latest jobs report shows the U.S. economy performing strongly enough that it can absorb large numbers of workers, including immigrants.

Immigrants fill those roles in part because they are on average less educated than native-born Americans. About 26 percent have less than a high school degree, compared to 5 percent of native-born workers, according to the Urban Institute. But one in three immigrant workers have a college or advanced degree, a rate on par with Americans born here. Unauthorized immigrants tend to have slightly lower education levels; about 13 percent have college degrees.

We've heard this horseshit a million times. Why should any American worker care if jobs go unfilled? How does that hurt them?

Americans aren't going to take a lot of jobs that only pay the minimum wage, but they will work those jobs for $15/hr or $20/hr. What you're objecting to is higher wages for American workers. Your basically a piece of shit who cares more about foreigners than you care about your own countrymen.

 

[lennypartiv]

Immigrants Grow American GDP

I believe it...if the numbers were from the days when are immigrants were white Europeans.

 

[bripat9643]

Increasing immigration is what destroyed the middle class and caused the job openings to happen in the first place, boi.

No.

Yes

Increasing immigration reduces job opportunities, education opportunities and ultimately income and family opportunities for everyone not at the very top. Most people in areas with high immigration move out to compete with Americans in neighboring cities, counties and states for an ever smaller pool of jobs and resources for which to start up families, and those who move into a new area end up spending MORE money and resources than they would have if they could stay in their hometowns(which means they will be living paycheck to paycheck for years and not be able to start a family) to then take away slots from the locals and dramatically decrease the number of people who can afford to have families.

The decrease of the birth rate in America directly lines up with the increase of immigration.

No and especially when we aren't filling the open jobs we have now. From my original link.

Immigrants make up 17 percent of the U.S. labor force, according to the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics, but few experts believe they’re taking jobs from Americans, as Trump claims.

“Most economists agree that in spite of being a very big part of the labor force, immigrants have not come at the cost either of American jobs, nor of American wages,” Peri, the UC Davis professor, said.

The reason is that immigrants often have jobs that Americans tend not to take. So instead of competing with Americans’ for work, immigrants tend to complement American workers.

On a farm, for example, owners, managers and salespeople are often born in America. Immigrants tend to work as field hands. Neither group could do their job without the other.

Immigrants who work as child care providers give Americans, specifically women, more opportunity to join the labor force. And immigrants are playing an increasingly critical role in taking care of the elderly as baby boomers retire. Census data shows that immigrants accounted for 24 percent of nursing, psychiatric and home care aides in 2015.

A study from the bipartisan research organization New American Economy found immigrants were 15 percent more likely to work unusual hours than similar U.S.-born workers. They are also more likely to be employed in dangerous jobs, according to data from the American Community Survey and Bureau of Statistics.

In addition, the latest jobs report shows the U.S. economy performing strongly enough that it can absorb large numbers of workers, including immigrants.

Immigrants fill those roles in part because they are on average less educated than native-born Americans. About 26 percent have less than a high school degree, compared to 5 percent of native-born workers, according to the Urban Institute. But one in three immigrant workers have a college or advanced degree, a rate on par with Americans born here. Unauthorized immigrants tend to have slightly lower education levels; about 13 percent have college degrees.

Immigrants take the jobs that teenagers and college students never got the opportunity to apply for, which means that young Americans either aim way too high and spend tens of thousands of their and their parent's money only to fail and wind up unemployed or underemployed, or they start employment much later and stay as a blue collar worker for most of their lives only to never get anywhere.

Guess who used to work the farms as field hands before immigration? That's right, teenagers and less educated Americans, the same people whom you claim immigrants aren't taking the jobs from.

Your stats also contradict the article you posted. Not only have immigrants eliminated lower end jobs for Americans but according to the New American Economy immigrants are starting to eliminate Americans with middle class wages as well. Nursing is the most requested field on college campuses today, so immigrants are literally going to kill off the remainder of the middle class before they get out of college.

We're basically at full employment and jobs aren't being filled. If you think a teenager is the best idea for elderly care or seasonal farming then knock yourself out but most of them go to school.

Do you imaging wages are going to increase of employers can easily replace you with some cheap foreign labor?

Do you idiots ever think?

 

[HappyJoy]

No.

Yes

Increasing immigration reduces job opportunities, education opportunities and ultimately income and family opportunities for everyone not at the very top. Most people in areas with high immigration move out to compete with Americans in neighboring cities, counties and states for an ever smaller pool of jobs and resources for which to start up families, and those who move into a new area end up spending MORE money and resources than they would have if they could stay in their hometowns(which means they will be living paycheck to paycheck for years and not be able to start a family) to then take away slots from the locals and dramatically decrease the number of people who can afford to have families.

The decrease of the birth rate in America directly lines up with the increase of immigration.

No and especially when we aren't filling the open jobs we have now. From my original link.

Immigrants make up 17 percent of the U.S. labor force, according to the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics, but few experts believe they’re taking jobs from Americans, as Trump claims.

“Most economists agree that in spite of being a very big part of the labor force, immigrants have not come at the cost either of American jobs, nor of American wages,” Peri, the UC Davis professor, said.

The reason is that immigrants often have jobs that Americans tend not to take. So instead of competing with Americans’ for work, immigrants tend to complement American workers.

On a farm, for example, owners, managers and salespeople are often born in America. Immigrants tend to work as field hands. Neither group could do their job without the other.

Immigrants who work as child care providers give Americans, specifically women, more opportunity to join the labor force. And immigrants are playing an increasingly critical role in taking care of the elderly as baby boomers retire. Census data shows that immigrants accounted for 24 percent of nursing, psychiatric and home care aides in 2015.

A study from the bipartisan research organization New American Economy found immigrants were 15 percent more likely to work unusual hours than similar U.S.-born workers. They are also more likely to be employed in dangerous jobs, according to data from the American Community Survey and Bureau of Statistics.

In addition, the latest jobs report shows the U.S. economy performing strongly enough that it can absorb large numbers of workers, including immigrants.

Immigrants fill those roles in part because they are on average less educated than native-born Americans. About 26 percent have less than a high school degree, compared to 5 percent of native-born workers, according to the Urban Institute. But one in three immigrant workers have a college or advanced degree, a rate on par with Americans born here. Unauthorized immigrants tend to have slightly lower education levels; about 13 percent have college degrees.

Immigrants take the jobs that teenagers and college students never got the opportunity to apply for, which means that young Americans either aim way too high and spend tens of thousands of their and their parent's money only to fail and wind up unemployed or underemployed, or they start employment much later and stay as a blue collar worker for most of their lives only to never get anywhere.

Guess who used to work the farms as field hands before immigration? That's right, teenagers and less educated Americans, the same people whom you claim immigrants aren't taking the jobs from.

Your stats also contradict the article you posted. Not only have immigrants eliminated lower end jobs for Americans but according to the New American Economy immigrants are starting to eliminate Americans with middle class wages as well. Nursing is the most requested field on college campuses today, so immigrants are literally going to kill off the remainder of the middle class before they get out of college.

We're basically at full employment and jobs aren't being filled. If you think a teenager is the best idea for elderly care or seasonal farming then knock yourself out but most of them go to school.

Do you imaging wages are going to increase of employers can easily replace you with some cheap foreign labor?

Do you idiots ever think?

I'm not advocating the use of undocumented workers as I think we need more legal immigration. However the pay of someone picking fruit is going to have very little impact on the vast majority of wage earners in America. We also really need more labor in this country, we do not having enough children and there is available labor on the other side of the border. So, win, win.

From your picture you're about 50-55? When they throw you're type 2 diabetes old fat ass in the retirement home, you're going to need the help.

 

[georgephillip]

The OP is a cut and paste because the OP nerd is apparently an illiterate, Europobic idiot who cannot write a paragraph in English. Folks, illegal aliens are not immigrants. Saying illegal aliens are legal immigrants is like saying a ghetto rapist who attacked your daughter last week is the same as your daughter's husband. They are both after the same thing and therefore law, order, ethics, truth, reality, good and evil does not matter.

What evidence do you have that "illegal aliens" are more likely to be rapists than native born Americans? Try thinking (if you can) about the situation like this: how does the US turn "illegal aliens" into legal immigrants, or are you sufficiently ignorant to believe the US is "full"?

We aren't "full". I have no problem legally allowing immigrants into our country that can make a contribution. They don't all have to be MDs, but they must show the ability to ecomically stand on their own 2 feet, otherwise, they are simply a drag. Trump has enforced this method, which Democrats call racist. The bottom line is that Democrats clearly want open borders and to allow anyone to come into the US, legally or not and whether they contribute or not. There is not ONE single sane person who thinks this is a recipe for success. We can't pay for healthcare and welfare for the entire world. That is what the far-left is pushing for, but some are too ignorant to see it.

We aren't "full". I have no problem legally allowing immigrants into our country that can make a contribution. They don't all have to be MDs, but they must show the ability to ecomically stand on their own 2 feet, otherwise, they are simply a drag

"There is no way to figure out precisely how many more immigrants the national economy could easily absorb without a lot of guessing. Powerful forces like technology, globalization and the decline in union strength can heave economies around willy-nilly, benefiting some workers and hurting others, regardless of immigration."

How many migrants are too many?

"This past tomato season, DiMare Fresh, a family-owned distributor with farms in Florida and California, had scores of unfilled jobs..."

"Tomato season in Florida doesn’t resume until November.

"In the meantime, Mr. DiMare shakes his head when asked about detentions at the border and deportation raids.

"'They want to send all these people back,' he said. 'Who the hell is going to do all this work?'"

Is Immigration at Its Limit? Not for Employers

 

[bripat9643]

Yes

Increasing immigration reduces job opportunities, education opportunities and ultimately income and family opportunities for everyone not at the very top. Most people in areas with high immigration move out to compete with Americans in neighboring cities, counties and states for an ever smaller pool of jobs and resources for which to start up families, and those who move into a new area end up spending MORE money and resources than they would have if they could stay in their hometowns(which means they will be living paycheck to paycheck for years and not be able to start a family) to then take away slots from the locals and dramatically decrease the number of people who can afford to have families.

The decrease of the birth rate in America directly lines up with the increase of immigration.

No and especially when we aren't filling the open jobs we have now. From my original link.

Immigrants make up 17 percent of the U.S. labor force, according to the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics, but few experts believe they’re taking jobs from Americans, as Trump claims.

“Most economists agree that in spite of being a very big part of the labor force, immigrants have not come at the cost either of American jobs, nor of American wages,” Peri, the UC Davis professor, said.

The reason is that immigrants often have jobs that Americans tend not to take. So instead of competing with Americans’ for work, immigrants tend to complement American workers.

On a farm, for example, owners, managers and salespeople are often born in America. Immigrants tend to work as field hands. Neither group could do their job without the other.

Immigrants who work as child care providers give Americans, specifically women, more opportunity to join the labor force. And immigrants are playing an increasingly critical role in taking care of the elderly as baby boomers retire. Census data shows that immigrants accounted for 24 percent of nursing, psychiatric and home care aides in 2015.

A study from the bipartisan research organization New American Economy found immigrants were 15 percent more likely to work unusual hours than similar U.S.-born workers. They are also more likely to be employed in dangerous jobs, according to data from the American Community Survey and Bureau of Statistics.

In addition, the latest jobs report shows the U.S. economy performing strongly enough that it can absorb large numbers of workers, including immigrants.

Immigrants fill those roles in part because they are on average less educated than native-born Americans. About 26 percent have less than a high school degree, compared to 5 percent of native-born workers, according to the Urban Institute. But one in three immigrant workers have a college or advanced degree, a rate on par with Americans born here. Unauthorized immigrants tend to have slightly lower education levels; about 13 percent have college degrees.

Immigrants take the jobs that teenagers and college students never got the opportunity to apply for, which means that young Americans either aim way too high and spend tens of thousands of their and their parent's money only to fail and wind up unemployed or underemployed, or they start employment much later and stay as a blue collar worker for most of their lives only to never get anywhere.

Guess who used to work the farms as field hands before immigration? That's right, teenagers and less educated Americans, the same people whom you claim immigrants aren't taking the jobs from.

Your stats also contradict the article you posted. Not only have immigrants eliminated lower end jobs for Americans but according to the New American Economy immigrants are starting to eliminate Americans with middle class wages as well. Nursing is the most requested field on college campuses today, so immigrants are literally going to kill off the remainder of the middle class before they get out of college.

We're basically at full employment and jobs aren't being filled. If you think a teenager is the best idea for elderly care or seasonal farming then knock yourself out but most of them go to school.

Do you imaging wages are going to increase of employers can easily replace you with some cheap foreign labor?

Do you idiots ever think?

I'm not advocating the use of undocumented workers as I think we need more legal immigration. However the pay of someone picking fruit is going to have very little impact on the vast majority of wage earners in America. We also really need more labor in this country, we do not having enough children and there is available labor on the other side of the border. So, win, win.

From your picture you're about 50-55? When they throw you're type 2 diabetes old fat ass in the retirement home, you're going to need the help.

If higher wages for people picking fruit isn't going to have any impact on Americans, then why should we care if their wages go up?

We don't need more labor. We need better pay for Americans. Importing more workers only benefits them.

What picture are you referring to?

 

[bripat9643]

The OP is a cut and paste because the OP nerd is apparently an illiterate, Europobic idiot who cannot write a paragraph in English. Folks, illegal aliens are not immigrants. Saying illegal aliens are legal immigrants is like saying a ghetto rapist who attacked your daughter last week is the same as your daughter's husband. They are both after the same thing and therefore law, order, ethics, truth, reality, good and evil does not matter.

What evidence do you have that "illegal aliens" are more likely to be rapists than native born Americans? Try thinking (if you can) about the situation like this: how does the US turn "illegal aliens" into legal immigrants, or are you sufficiently ignorant to believe the US is "full"?

We aren't "full". I have no problem legally allowing immigrants into our country that can make a contribution. They don't all have to be MDs, but they must show the ability to ecomically stand on their own 2 feet, otherwise, they are simply a drag. Trump has enforced this method, which Democrats call racist. The bottom line is that Democrats clearly want open borders and to allow anyone to come into the US, legally or not and whether they contribute or not. There is not ONE single sane person who thinks this is a recipe for success. We can't pay for healthcare and welfare for the entire world. That is what the far-left is pushing for, but some are too ignorant to see it.

We aren't "full". I have no problem legally allowing immigrants into our country that can make a contribution. They don't all have to be MDs, but they must show the ability to ecomically stand on their own 2 feet, otherwise, they are simply a drag

"There is no way to figure out precisely how many more immigrants the national economy could easily absorb without a lot of guessing. Powerful forces like technology, globalization and the decline in union strength can heave economies around willy-nilly, benefiting some workers and hurting others, regardless of immigration."

How many migrants are too many?

"This past tomato season, DiMare Fresh, a family-owned distributor with farms in Florida and California, had scores of unfilled jobs..."

"Tomato season in Florida doesn’t resume until November.

"In the meantime, Mr. DiMare shakes his head when asked about detentions at the border and deportation raids.

"'They want to send all these people back,' he said. 'Who the hell is going to do all this work?'"

Is Immigration at Its Limit? Not for Employers

More than one is too many. How do I benefit from any immigrant?