Illegal Employer Problem

[pknopp]

Republicans like to blame bleeding heart liberals for illegal immigration. But the fact is, if people weren't hiring them, they'd go home. Who's hiring them? Small business owners? Aren't they typically Republicans?

Here are three great articles on the subject:

ThomHartmann.com - Today's Immigration Battle Corporatists vs. Racists (and Labor is Left Behind)

ThomHartmann.com - Illegal Workers: the Con's Secret Weapon


ThomHartmann.com - Reclaiming the Issues: "It's an Illegal Employer Problem"

Having looked this thread over carefully, it is painfully obvious that no matter how much is said, the right seems to be stuck on stupid on this issue. Is there any way that people can be objective here?

NOBODY can show me any sentence in the United States Constitution that gives Congress the authority to limit the liberty of foreigners. So, when I have work to do and advertise for people to come out, I'm going to hire the best qualified person at the price I can afford to pay (usually $20 to $40 an hour for basic handyman work.)

If you want the job, you have to get your ass off the Internet, forego social media, hang up your cell phone for a few hours and look for a job, then work it. Those of us in business and those with a home to keep running aren't going to lose what we have just because some of you think we owe you a damn job. Employers create the job; they own the job; constitutionally speaking we can give them to whomever we damn well please.

We got into this clusterphuck of a situation because years ago the blacks demanded that they be given the jobs. Now you want them because you're born in the United States. I can't hire people that don't apply; can't afford to pay you if you don't work. Passing laws just costs you extra taxes.

If you could succeed at closing me down, NO jobs would exist. You see, when the wheels of commerce run, other jobs are created. Here's your situation:

A Mexican kid comes along and takes a job at $20 an hour. He APPLIED for the job. You didn't find it because you're on the Internet bitching. The Mexican guy has kids and an apartment (bills and responsibilities.) Those of you bitching live in mommy's basement or your old bedroom of when you were 12. You don't pay rent; on average most of you don't have an education, no job skills, no driver's license, and no work ethic. All you have are tattoos, body piercings, a criminal record, an addiction to cigarettes and alcohol along with addictions to pot and possibly hard core drugs.

You want the right to be like that? I fully support it. But, if you live an irresponsible lifestyle, YOU pay for it. Don't expect the employer to. If you don't have your own house, YOU are fucking the rest of the taxpayers. Property taxes are just as high, if not higher, than the income tax you FALSELY accuse the foreigners of not paying. If you're living rent free with mommy (or if you're a parent with deadbeat kids), then YOU are the problem. In all honesty I'd love to hire a staff of all white males. The problem is most of them fit that previous paragraph and nobody should be forced to hire them.

Guys, I'm not losing what I have because some of you are too stupid to be able to compete against uneducated third worlders. If you run big businesses out over who they hire, they will move to another country. Then you get NOTHING... and if you're sitting on your ass playing video games, visiting sites on social media, smoking weed, worrying about your next body piercing or tattoo while living in your parents home, YOU ARE THE PROBLEM. If you're a parent letting your kids live at home, YOU ARE THE PROBLEM. Fix your culture, vote with your wallet and pocket book. Boycott places that hire and / or cater to those you find offensive. Quit thinking that you can build a government big enough to save your from your own stupidity. In any event, get off the employers ass. There is not a swinging dick on the face of the earth that is going to tell me who I can and cannot hire. All this big government B.S. is over.

This is absurd. I wouldn't even know where to begin.

I just wish all of Trump's blue collar supporters could hear what you just said about them. They are deplorable. I agree.

And you think you should be legally allowed to hire people who are here in the country illegally? Sorry but your country disagrees with you. What you are is an illegal employer and you should have your business taken away from you.

GO TO ANOTHER COUNTRY! By all means fucking leave. Lets see you succeed in any other country besides the USA you fucking asshole.

Maybe you need to pay an American wage. Maybe that's why you can't find anyone good to come work for you.

Oh, and the arguments you are making would actually be good arguments in a good economy when wages are up but Trump said he was going to kick illegals out and build a wall in order to raise wages for blue collar workers. We all know wages go down when the market is flooded with workers. So right now we have really low unemployment numbers. So then why the fuck is Trump still talking about illegals? I'll tell you why. Because it wins over the racist vote. You got to make someone else the bad guy. It's not the corporations who want to keep workers wages down. It's either the workers fault or the illegals.

This reminds me of the GOP arguments that you guys made when Bush was in office. Meanwhile the rich got richer moving their operations to other countries. LEAVE! If you can make more somewhere else you'd already be gone you fucking traitor.

You should lose your business and go to jail.

I'm sorry, but the country does NOT disagree with me. We're all adults here, son. So, let's be honest. If a majority of people picked the president, they chose Hitlery Clinton. She got the most votes. So, you're wrong on that count.

On the second count, the United States Supreme Court has opined that NO ONE is obligated to obey an unconstitutional act. That is THEIR logic, not mine.

Now then, the only authority the federal government has over foreigners is "Congress shall have the power ...To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization" (Article 1 Section 8 of the Constitution) which they did only months after the ratification of the United States Constitution. In that law, it provided that:

"Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America, in Congress assembled, That any Alien being a free white person, who shall have resided within the limits and under the jurisdiction of the United States for the term of two years, may be admitted to become a citizen thereof..."

United States Congress, “An act to establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization” (March 26, 1790)

Despite this fact, foreigners came here to work and do business for EIGHTY FIVE YEARS before the United States Supreme Court stepped in and granted "plenary powers" to the federal government for everything related to foreigners in about 1875 - 1876.

I will give you $10,000 (TEN THOUSAND DOLLARS) in cash to cite one sentence from the Constitution wherein the framers gave the United States Supreme Court to grant to any other branch of government ANY power, much less plenary powers. The United States Supreme Court legislated from the bench. And you won't have the ethical wherewithal to admit that the high Court legislated from the bench which disrespects the Rule of Law. You Trumpsters preach about it, but sure as Hell don't want to live by it. Hypocrites, every one of you!

Adding insult to injury, Congress ILLEGALLY passed the 14th Amendment that you probably think is valid. If not for that Amendment, you wouldn't have all those brown babies born in the U.S. you'd like to call a racist name, but cowardly chose "anchor babies," and that pretext proved to be false as parents are being deported and you're being left to pay welfare for their American born children.

To give you the coup de grace, the 14th Amendment gave foreigners (regardless of any liberal immigration status the Democrats thought up for you) the government right of liberty (sic.) While doing that they NULLIFIED the Bill of Rights. This link will explain it to you:

Stolen Rights

If I get shut down, the government will raise taxes somewhere to compensate for the loss. And you'll pay them. You can't win. You're on the wrong side of the argument (you're actually arguing in favor of socialism) and you're on the wrong side of history. That above link will help you a lot.

OK, I'm curious (though I do not know why) how was the 14th passed illegally?

 

[pknopp]

Republicans like to blame bleeding heart liberals for illegal immigration. But the fact is, if people weren't hiring them, they'd go home. Who's hiring them? Small business owners? Aren't they typically Republicans?

Here are three great articles on the subject:

ThomHartmann.com - Today's Immigration Battle Corporatists vs. Racists (and Labor is Left Behind)

ThomHartmann.com - Illegal Workers: the Con's Secret Weapon


ThomHartmann.com - Reclaiming the Issues: "It's an Illegal Employer Problem"

Having looked this thread over carefully, it is painfully obvious that no matter how much is said, the right seems to be stuck on stupid on this issue. Is there any way that people can be objective here?

NOBODY can show me any sentence in the United States Constitution that gives Congress the authority to limit the liberty of foreigners. So, when I have work to do and advertise for people to come out, I'm going to hire the best qualified person at the price I can afford to pay (usually $20 to $40 an hour for basic handyman work.)

If you want the job, you have to get your ass off the Internet, forego social media, hang up your cell phone for a few hours and look for a job, then work it. Those of us in business and those with a home to keep running aren't going to lose what we have just because some of you think we owe you a damn job. Employers create the job; they own the job; constitutionally speaking we can give them to whomever we damn well please.

We got into this clusterphuck of a situation because years ago the blacks demanded that they be given the jobs. Now you want them because you're born in the United States. I can't hire people that don't apply; can't afford to pay you if you don't work. Passing laws just costs you extra taxes.

If you could succeed at closing me down, NO jobs would exist. You see, when the wheels of commerce run, other jobs are created. Here's your situation:

A Mexican kid comes along and takes a job at $20 an hour. He APPLIED for the job. You didn't find it because you're on the Internet bitching. The Mexican guy has kids and an apartment (bills and responsibilities.) Those of you bitching live in mommy's basement or your old bedroom of when you were 12. You don't pay rent; on average most of you don't have an education, no job skills, no driver's license, and no work ethic. All you have are tattoos, body piercings, a criminal record, an addiction to cigarettes and alcohol along with addictions to pot and possibly hard core drugs.

You want the right to be like that? I fully support it. But, if you live an irresponsible lifestyle, YOU pay for it. Don't expect the employer to. If you don't have your own house, YOU are fucking the rest of the taxpayers. Property taxes are just as high, if not higher, than the income tax you FALSELY accuse the foreigners of not paying. If you're living rent free with mommy (or if you're a parent with deadbeat kids), then YOU are the problem. In all honesty I'd love to hire a staff of all white males. The problem is most of them fit that previous paragraph and nobody should be forced to hire them.

Guys, I'm not losing what I have because some of you are too stupid to be able to compete against uneducated third worlders. If you run big businesses out over who they hire, they will move to another country. Then you get NOTHING... and if you're sitting on your ass playing video games, visiting sites on social media, smoking weed, worrying about your next body piercing or tattoo while living in your parents home, YOU ARE THE PROBLEM. If you're a parent letting your kids live at home, YOU ARE THE PROBLEM. Fix your culture, vote with your wallet and pocket book. Boycott places that hire and / or cater to those you find offensive. Quit thinking that you can build a government big enough to save your from your own stupidity. In any event, get off the employers ass. There is not a swinging dick on the face of the earth that is going to tell me who I can and cannot hire. All this big government B.S. is over.

This is absurd. I wouldn't even know where to begin.

I just wish all of Trump's blue collar supporters could hear what you just said about them. They are deplorable. I agree.

And you think you should be legally allowed to hire people who are here in the country illegally? Sorry but your country disagrees with you. What you are is an illegal employer and you should have your business taken away from you.

GO TO ANOTHER COUNTRY! By all means fucking leave. Lets see you succeed in any other country besides the USA you fucking asshole.

Maybe you need to pay an American wage. Maybe that's why you can't find anyone good to come work for you.

Oh, and the arguments you are making would actually be good arguments in a good economy when wages are up but Trump said he was going to kick illegals out and build a wall in order to raise wages for blue collar workers. We all know wages go down when the market is flooded with workers. So right now we have really low unemployment numbers. So then why the fuck is Trump still talking about illegals? I'll tell you why. Because it wins over the racist vote. You got to make someone else the bad guy. It's not the corporations who want to keep workers wages down. It's either the workers fault or the illegals.

This reminds me of the GOP arguments that you guys made when Bush was in office. Meanwhile the rich got richer moving their operations to other countries. LEAVE! If you can make more somewhere else you'd already be gone you fucking traitor.

You should lose your business and go to jail.

I'm sorry, but the country does NOT disagree with me. We're all adults here, son. So, let's be honest. If a majority of people picked the president, they chose Hitlery Clinton. She got the most votes. So, you're wrong on that count.

On the second count, the United States Supreme Court has opined that NO ONE is obligated to obey an unconstitutional act. That is THEIR logic, not mine.

Now then, the only authority the federal government has over foreigners is "Congress shall have the power ...To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization" (Article 1 Section 8 of the Constitution) which they did only months after the ratification of the United States Constitution. In that law, it provided that:

"Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America, in Congress assembled, That any Alien being a free white person, who shall have resided within the limits and under the jurisdiction of the United States for the term of two years, may be admitted to become a citizen thereof..."

United States Congress, “An act to establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization” (March 26, 1790)

Despite this fact, foreigners came here to work and do business for EIGHTY FIVE YEARS before the United States Supreme Court stepped in and granted "plenary powers" to the federal government for everything related to foreigners in about 1875 - 1876.

I will give you $10,000 (TEN THOUSAND DOLLARS) in cash to cite one sentence from the Constitution wherein the framers gave the United States Supreme Court to grant to any other branch of government ANY power, much less plenary powers. The United States Supreme Court legislated from the bench. And you won't have the ethical wherewithal to admit that the high Court legislated from the bench which disrespects the Rule of Law. You Trumpsters preach about it, but sure as Hell don't want to live by it. Hypocrites, every one of you!

Adding insult to injury, Congress ILLEGALLY passed the 14th Amendment that you probably think is valid. If not for that Amendment, you wouldn't have all those brown babies born in the U.S. you'd like to call a racist name, but cowardly chose "anchor babies," and that pretext proved to be false as parents are being deported and you're being left to pay welfare for their American born children.

To give you the coup de grace, the 14th Amendment gave foreigners (regardless of any liberal immigration status the Democrats thought up for you) the government right of liberty (sic.) While doing that they NULLIFIED the Bill of Rights. This link will explain it to you:

Stolen Rights

If I get shut down, the government will raise taxes somewhere to compensate for the loss. And you'll pay them. You can't win. You're on the wrong side of the argument (you're actually arguing in favor of socialism) and you're on the wrong side of history. That above link will help you a lot.

So muslim illegals can come flooding in over the border and we are powerless to stop you from hiring them?

This is just ridiculous. Does anyone here at USMB agree with you? Or are you just trying to be outrageous?

If we are not going to physically stop employers from hiring illegals we might as well be considered powerless to stop them.

There will be no loss. Another American will just fill in that void you left when we shut your business down.

Not going to happen in any meaningful numbers.

Reclaiming the Issues: "It's an Illegal Employer Problem"

You know who agrees with you? All the illegal employers in America.

And they have the ear of D.C. You aren't going to out fund them.

And I've been telling these stupid Republicans that it is YOU who is the problem and not illegal immigrants but Fox and Rush got these idiots worshipping you job creators. Little do they know you are stealing from the American middle class.

The cost of illegal immigration to taxpayers is growing at an unsustainable pace

They know.

 

[Porter Rockwell]

Republicans like to blame bleeding heart liberals for illegal immigration. But the fact is, if people weren't hiring them, they'd go home. Who's hiring them? Small business owners? Aren't they typically Republicans?

Here are three great articles on the subject:

ThomHartmann.com - Today's Immigration Battle Corporatists vs. Racists (and Labor is Left Behind)

ThomHartmann.com - Illegal Workers: the Con's Secret Weapon


ThomHartmann.com - Reclaiming the Issues: "It's an Illegal Employer Problem"

Having looked this thread over carefully, it is painfully obvious that no matter how much is said, the right seems to be stuck on stupid on this issue. Is there any way that people can be objective here?

NOBODY can show me any sentence in the United States Constitution that gives Congress the authority to limit the liberty of foreigners. So, when I have work to do and advertise for people to come out, I'm going to hire the best qualified person at the price I can afford to pay (usually $20 to $40 an hour for basic handyman work.)

If you want the job, you have to get your ass off the Internet, forego social media, hang up your cell phone for a few hours and look for a job, then work it. Those of us in business and those with a home to keep running aren't going to lose what we have just because some of you think we owe you a damn job. Employers create the job; they own the job; constitutionally speaking we can give them to whomever we damn well please.

We got into this clusterphuck of a situation because years ago the blacks demanded that they be given the jobs. Now you want them because you're born in the United States. I can't hire people that don't apply; can't afford to pay you if you don't work. Passing laws just costs you extra taxes.

If you could succeed at closing me down, NO jobs would exist. You see, when the wheels of commerce run, other jobs are created. Here's your situation:

A Mexican kid comes along and takes a job at $20 an hour. He APPLIED for the job. You didn't find it because you're on the Internet bitching. The Mexican guy has kids and an apartment (bills and responsibilities.) Those of you bitching live in mommy's basement or your old bedroom of when you were 12. You don't pay rent; on average most of you don't have an education, no job skills, no driver's license, and no work ethic. All you have are tattoos, body piercings, a criminal record, an addiction to cigarettes and alcohol along with addictions to pot and possibly hard core drugs.

You want the right to be like that? I fully support it. But, if you live an irresponsible lifestyle, YOU pay for it. Don't expect the employer to. If you don't have your own house, YOU are fucking the rest of the taxpayers. Property taxes are just as high, if not higher, than the income tax you FALSELY accuse the foreigners of not paying. If you're living rent free with mommy (or if you're a parent with deadbeat kids), then YOU are the problem. In all honesty I'd love to hire a staff of all white males. The problem is most of them fit that previous paragraph and nobody should be forced to hire them.

Guys, I'm not losing what I have because some of you are too stupid to be able to compete against uneducated third worlders. If you run big businesses out over who they hire, they will move to another country. Then you get NOTHING... and if you're sitting on your ass playing video games, visiting sites on social media, smoking weed, worrying about your next body piercing or tattoo while living in your parents home, YOU ARE THE PROBLEM. If you're a parent letting your kids live at home, YOU ARE THE PROBLEM. Fix your culture, vote with your wallet and pocket book. Boycott places that hire and / or cater to those you find offensive. Quit thinking that you can build a government big enough to save your from your own stupidity. In any event, get off the employers ass. There is not a swinging dick on the face of the earth that is going to tell me who I can and cannot hire. All this big government B.S. is over.

This is absurd. I wouldn't even know where to begin.

I just wish all of Trump's blue collar supporters could hear what you just said about them. They are deplorable. I agree.

And you think you should be legally allowed to hire people who are here in the country illegally? Sorry but your country disagrees with you. What you are is an illegal employer and you should have your business taken away from you.

GO TO ANOTHER COUNTRY! By all means fucking leave. Lets see you succeed in any other country besides the USA you fucking asshole.

Maybe you need to pay an American wage. Maybe that's why you can't find anyone good to come work for you.

Oh, and the arguments you are making would actually be good arguments in a good economy when wages are up but Trump said he was going to kick illegals out and build a wall in order to raise wages for blue collar workers. We all know wages go down when the market is flooded with workers. So right now we have really low unemployment numbers. So then why the fuck is Trump still talking about illegals? I'll tell you why. Because it wins over the racist vote. You got to make someone else the bad guy. It's not the corporations who want to keep workers wages down. It's either the workers fault or the illegals.

This reminds me of the GOP arguments that you guys made when Bush was in office. Meanwhile the rich got richer moving their operations to other countries. LEAVE! If you can make more somewhere else you'd already be gone you fucking traitor.

You should lose your business and go to jail.

I'm sorry, but the country does NOT disagree with me. We're all adults here, son. So, let's be honest. If a majority of people picked the president, they chose Hitlery Clinton. She got the most votes. So, you're wrong on that count.

On the second count, the United States Supreme Court has opined that NO ONE is obligated to obey an unconstitutional act. That is THEIR logic, not mine.

Now then, the only authority the federal government has over foreigners is "Congress shall have the power ...To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization" (Article 1 Section 8 of the Constitution) which they did only months after the ratification of the United States Constitution. In that law, it provided that:

"Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America, in Congress assembled, That any Alien being a free white person, who shall have resided within the limits and under the jurisdiction of the United States for the term of two years, may be admitted to become a citizen thereof..."

United States Congress, “An act to establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization” (March 26, 1790)

Despite this fact, foreigners came here to work and do business for EIGHTY FIVE YEARS before the United States Supreme Court stepped in and granted "plenary powers" to the federal government for everything related to foreigners in about 1875 - 1876.

I will give you $10,000 (TEN THOUSAND DOLLARS) in cash to cite one sentence from the Constitution wherein the framers gave the United States Supreme Court to grant to any other branch of government ANY power, much less plenary powers. The United States Supreme Court legislated from the bench. And you won't have the ethical wherewithal to admit that the high Court legislated from the bench which disrespects the Rule of Law. You Trumpsters preach about it, but sure as Hell don't want to live by it. Hypocrites, every one of you!

Adding insult to injury, Congress ILLEGALLY passed the 14th Amendment that you probably think is valid. If not for that Amendment, you wouldn't have all those brown babies born in the U.S. you'd like to call a racist name, but cowardly chose "anchor babies," and that pretext proved to be false as parents are being deported and you're being left to pay welfare for their American born children.

To give you the coup de grace, the 14th Amendment gave foreigners (regardless of any liberal immigration status the Democrats thought up for you) the government right of liberty (sic.) While doing that they NULLIFIED the Bill of Rights. This link will explain it to you:

Stolen Rights

If I get shut down, the government will raise taxes somewhere to compensate for the loss. And you'll pay them. You can't win. You're on the wrong side of the argument (you're actually arguing in favor of socialism) and you're on the wrong side of history. That above link will help you a lot.

So muslim illegals can come flooding in over the border and we are powerless to stop you from hiring them?

This is just ridiculous. Does anyone here at USMB agree with you? Or are you just trying to be outrageous?

There will be no loss. Another American will just fill in that void you left when we shut your business down.

Reclaiming the Issues: "It's an Illegal Employer Problem"

You know who agrees with you? All the illegal employers in America.

And I've been telling these stupid Republicans that it is YOU who is the problem and not illegal immigrants but Fox and Rush got these idiots worshipping you job creators. Little do they know you are stealing from the American middle class.

The cost of illegal immigration to taxpayers is growing at an unsustainable pace

America is a REPUBLIC, not a democracy. If everybody here wants to disagree, that is their Right as an American. You dodged replying to the link I left. Wonder why.

No Americans are filling the void left by American businesses. Foreigners are buying them up. You sit on your ass and pray for my demise, thinking I owe you a job because your sorry ass was born in the USA.

You have to go to school; you have to learn how to do a job; you have to develop a work ethic. Then you have to APPLY for the job. People like you don't. You're here all day moaning and groaning, crying and complaining when you should be acquiring a skill set. The job ins't going to come and find you son.

If I get put out of business, there will be Hispanics and Jamaicans that will be doing this stuff the next day. I've already told your dumb ass I'd hire a whole staff of white American males, but finding white people who aren't on drugs, have their head into video games and social media is like trying to find gold nuggets in a septic tank.

Clean up your culture and your problems will go away on their own. The government is powerless to save you from your own stupidity.

 

[Correll]

Republicans like to blame bleeding heart liberals for illegal immigration. But the fact is, if people weren't hiring them, they'd go home. Who's hiring them? Small business owners? Aren't they typically Republicans?

Here are three great articles on the subject:

ThomHartmann.com - Today's Immigration Battle Corporatists vs. Racists (and Labor is Left Behind)

ThomHartmann.com - Illegal Workers: the Con's Secret Weapon


ThomHartmann.com - Reclaiming the Issues: "It's an Illegal Employer Problem"

Having looked this thread over carefully, it is painfully obvious that no matter how much is said, the right seems to be stuck on stupid on this issue. Is there any way that people can be objective here?

NOBODY can show me any sentence in the United States Constitution that gives Congress the authority to limit the liberty of foreigners. So, when I have work to do and advertise for people to come out, I'm going to hire the best qualified person at the price I can afford to pay (usually $20 to $40 an hour for basic handyman work.)

If you want the job, you have to get your ass off the Internet, forego social media, hang up your cell phone for a few hours and look for a job, then work it. Those of us in business and those with a home to keep running aren't going to lose what we have just because some of you think we owe you a damn job. Employers create the job; they own the job; constitutionally speaking we can give them to whomever we damn well please.

We got into this clusterphuck of a situation because years ago the blacks demanded that they be given the jobs. Now you want them because you're born in the United States. I can't hire people that don't apply; can't afford to pay you if you don't work. Passing laws just costs you extra taxes.

If you could succeed at closing me down, NO jobs would exist. You see, when the wheels of commerce run, other jobs are created. Here's your situation:

A Mexican kid comes along and takes a job at $20 an hour. He APPLIED for the job. You didn't find it because you're on the Internet bitching. The Mexican guy has kids and an apartment (bills and responsibilities.) Those of you bitching live in mommy's basement or your old bedroom of when you were 12. You don't pay rent; on average most of you don't have an education, no job skills, no driver's license, and no work ethic. All you have are tattoos, body piercings, a criminal record, an addiction to cigarettes and alcohol along with addictions to pot and possibly hard core drugs.

You want the right to be like that? I fully support it. But, if you live an irresponsible lifestyle, YOU pay for it. Don't expect the employer to. If you don't have your own house, YOU are fucking the rest of the taxpayers. Property taxes are just as high, if not higher, than the income tax you FALSELY accuse the foreigners of not paying. If you're living rent free with mommy (or if you're a parent with deadbeat kids), then YOU are the problem. In all honesty I'd love to hire a staff of all white males. The problem is most of them fit that previous paragraph and nobody should be forced to hire them.

Guys, I'm not losing what I have because some of you are too stupid to be able to compete against uneducated third worlders. If you run big businesses out over who they hire, they will move to another country. Then you get NOTHING... and if you're sitting on your ass playing video games, visiting sites on social media, smoking weed, worrying about your next body piercing or tattoo while living in your parents home, YOU ARE THE PROBLEM. If you're a parent letting your kids live at home, YOU ARE THE PROBLEM. Fix your culture, vote with your wallet and pocket book. Boycott places that hire and / or cater to those you find offensive. Quit thinking that you can build a government big enough to save your from your own stupidity. In any event, get off the employers ass. There is not a swinging dick on the face of the earth that is going to tell me who I can and cannot hire. All this big government B.S. is over.

This is absurd. I wouldn't even know where to begin.

I just wish all of Trump's blue collar supporters could hear what you just said about them. They are deplorable. I agree.

And you think you should be legally allowed to hire people who are here in the country illegally? Sorry but your country disagrees with you. What you are is an illegal employer and you should have your business taken away from you.

GO TO ANOTHER COUNTRY! By all means fucking leave. Lets see you succeed in any other country besides the USA you fucking asshole.

Maybe you need to pay an American wage. Maybe that's why you can't find anyone good to come work for you.

Oh, and the arguments you are making would actually be good arguments in a good economy when wages are up but Trump said he was going to kick illegals out and build a wall in order to raise wages for blue collar workers. We all know wages go down when the market is flooded with workers. So right now we have really low unemployment numbers. So then why the fuck is Trump still talking about illegals? I'll tell you why. Because it wins over the racist vote. You got to make someone else the bad guy. It's not the corporations who want to keep workers wages down. It's either the workers fault or the illegals.

This reminds me of the GOP arguments that you guys made when Bush was in office. Meanwhile the rich got richer moving their operations to other countries. LEAVE! If you can make more somewhere else you'd already be gone you fucking traitor.

You should lose your business and go to jail.

Rockwell is very far out there. I doubt he is a Trump supporter. If he is, considering his disagreement with the concept of immigration law, his reasoning is probably pretty muddled.

 

[Correll]

FYI, just contacted the White House, as a supporter, calling for punishment of employers of illegals.

Went to the same place the call telling the White House that they can lower their credit card rates.

Doubt it.

Read what Porter Rockwell said below this post of yours. Tell him he's a fucking traitor. He says he should be able to hire illegals and the reason he does is white blue collar men are drug addicts and losers.

I've gone over that with him for many pages, over many days.

 

[Porter Rockwell]

Republicans like to blame bleeding heart liberals for illegal immigration. But the fact is, if people weren't hiring them, they'd go home. Who's hiring them? Small business owners? Aren't they typically Republicans?

Here are three great articles on the subject:

ThomHartmann.com - Today's Immigration Battle Corporatists vs. Racists (and Labor is Left Behind)

ThomHartmann.com - Illegal Workers: the Con's Secret Weapon


ThomHartmann.com - Reclaiming the Issues: "It's an Illegal Employer Problem"

Having looked this thread over carefully, it is painfully obvious that no matter how much is said, the right seems to be stuck on stupid on this issue. Is there any way that people can be objective here?

NOBODY can show me any sentence in the United States Constitution that gives Congress the authority to limit the liberty of foreigners. So, when I have work to do and advertise for people to come out, I'm going to hire the best qualified person at the price I can afford to pay (usually $20 to $40 an hour for basic handyman work.)

If you want the job, you have to get your ass off the Internet, forego social media, hang up your cell phone for a few hours and look for a job, then work it. Those of us in business and those with a home to keep running aren't going to lose what we have just because some of you think we owe you a damn job. Employers create the job; they own the job; constitutionally speaking we can give them to whomever we damn well please.

We got into this clusterphuck of a situation because years ago the blacks demanded that they be given the jobs. Now you want them because you're born in the United States. I can't hire people that don't apply; can't afford to pay you if you don't work. Passing laws just costs you extra taxes.

If you could succeed at closing me down, NO jobs would exist. You see, when the wheels of commerce run, other jobs are created. Here's your situation:

A Mexican kid comes along and takes a job at $20 an hour. He APPLIED for the job. You didn't find it because you're on the Internet bitching. The Mexican guy has kids and an apartment (bills and responsibilities.) Those of you bitching live in mommy's basement or your old bedroom of when you were 12. You don't pay rent; on average most of you don't have an education, no job skills, no driver's license, and no work ethic. All you have are tattoos, body piercings, a criminal record, an addiction to cigarettes and alcohol along with addictions to pot and possibly hard core drugs.

You want the right to be like that? I fully support it. But, if you live an irresponsible lifestyle, YOU pay for it. Don't expect the employer to. If you don't have your own house, YOU are fucking the rest of the taxpayers. Property taxes are just as high, if not higher, than the income tax you FALSELY accuse the foreigners of not paying. If you're living rent free with mommy (or if you're a parent with deadbeat kids), then YOU are the problem. In all honesty I'd love to hire a staff of all white males. The problem is most of them fit that previous paragraph and nobody should be forced to hire them.

Guys, I'm not losing what I have because some of you are too stupid to be able to compete against uneducated third worlders. If you run big businesses out over who they hire, they will move to another country. Then you get NOTHING... and if you're sitting on your ass playing video games, visiting sites on social media, smoking weed, worrying about your next body piercing or tattoo while living in your parents home, YOU ARE THE PROBLEM. If you're a parent letting your kids live at home, YOU ARE THE PROBLEM. Fix your culture, vote with your wallet and pocket book. Boycott places that hire and / or cater to those you find offensive. Quit thinking that you can build a government big enough to save your from your own stupidity. In any event, get off the employers ass. There is not a swinging dick on the face of the earth that is going to tell me who I can and cannot hire. All this big government B.S. is over.

This is absurd. I wouldn't even know where to begin.

I just wish all of Trump's blue collar supporters could hear what you just said about them. They are deplorable. I agree.

And you think you should be legally allowed to hire people who are here in the country illegally? Sorry but your country disagrees with you. What you are is an illegal employer and you should have your business taken away from you.

GO TO ANOTHER COUNTRY! By all means fucking leave. Lets see you succeed in any other country besides the USA you fucking asshole.

Maybe you need to pay an American wage. Maybe that's why you can't find anyone good to come work for you.

Oh, and the arguments you are making would actually be good arguments in a good economy when wages are up but Trump said he was going to kick illegals out and build a wall in order to raise wages for blue collar workers. We all know wages go down when the market is flooded with workers. So right now we have really low unemployment numbers. So then why the fuck is Trump still talking about illegals? I'll tell you why. Because it wins over the racist vote. You got to make someone else the bad guy. It's not the corporations who want to keep workers wages down. It's either the workers fault or the illegals.

This reminds me of the GOP arguments that you guys made when Bush was in office. Meanwhile the rich got richer moving their operations to other countries. LEAVE! If you can make more somewhere else you'd already be gone you fucking traitor.

You should lose your business and go to jail.

I'm sorry, but the country does NOT disagree with me. We're all adults here, son. So, let's be honest. If a majority of people picked the president, they chose Hitlery Clinton. She got the most votes. So, you're wrong on that count.

On the second count, the United States Supreme Court has opined that NO ONE is obligated to obey an unconstitutional act. That is THEIR logic, not mine.

Now then, the only authority the federal government has over foreigners is "Congress shall have the power ...To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization" (Article 1 Section 8 of the Constitution) which they did only months after the ratification of the United States Constitution. In that law, it provided that:

"Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America, in Congress assembled, That any Alien being a free white person, who shall have resided within the limits and under the jurisdiction of the United States for the term of two years, may be admitted to become a citizen thereof..."

United States Congress, “An act to establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization” (March 26, 1790)

Despite this fact, foreigners came here to work and do business for EIGHTY FIVE YEARS before the United States Supreme Court stepped in and granted "plenary powers" to the federal government for everything related to foreigners in about 1875 - 1876.

I will give you $10,000 (TEN THOUSAND DOLLARS) in cash to cite one sentence from the Constitution wherein the framers gave the United States Supreme Court to grant to any other branch of government ANY power, much less plenary powers. The United States Supreme Court legislated from the bench. And you won't have the ethical wherewithal to admit that the high Court legislated from the bench which disrespects the Rule of Law. You Trumpsters preach about it, but sure as Hell don't want to live by it. Hypocrites, every one of you!

Adding insult to injury, Congress ILLEGALLY passed the 14th Amendment that you probably think is valid. If not for that Amendment, you wouldn't have all those brown babies born in the U.S. you'd like to call a racist name, but cowardly chose "anchor babies," and that pretext proved to be false as parents are being deported and you're being left to pay welfare for their American born children.

To give you the coup de grace, the 14th Amendment gave foreigners (regardless of any liberal immigration status the Democrats thought up for you) the government right of liberty (sic.) While doing that they NULLIFIED the Bill of Rights. This link will explain it to you:

Stolen Rights

If I get shut down, the government will raise taxes somewhere to compensate for the loss. And you'll pay them. You can't win. You're on the wrong side of the argument (you're actually arguing in favor of socialism) and you're on the wrong side of history. That above link will help you a lot.

OK, I'm curious (though I do not know why) how was the 14th passed illegally?

Check out the link:

Stolen Rights

Also refer to the internal links. You will understand why you do NOT have any Rights any longer. Read it, refer to the links and then see if you still hold the same opinion you have about me. Or are you afraid to? Yeah, my answer will not fit on a bumper sticker.

 

[Porter Rockwell]

Republicans like to blame bleeding heart liberals for illegal immigration. But the fact is, if people weren't hiring them, they'd go home. Who's hiring them? Small business owners? Aren't they typically Republicans?

Here are three great articles on the subject:

ThomHartmann.com - Today's Immigration Battle Corporatists vs. Racists (and Labor is Left Behind)

ThomHartmann.com - Illegal Workers: the Con's Secret Weapon


ThomHartmann.com - Reclaiming the Issues: "It's an Illegal Employer Problem"

Having looked this thread over carefully, it is painfully obvious that no matter how much is said, the right seems to be stuck on stupid on this issue. Is there any way that people can be objective here?

NOBODY can show me any sentence in the United States Constitution that gives Congress the authority to limit the liberty of foreigners. So, when I have work to do and advertise for people to come out, I'm going to hire the best qualified person at the price I can afford to pay (usually $20 to $40 an hour for basic handyman work.)

If you want the job, you have to get your ass off the Internet, forego social media, hang up your cell phone for a few hours and look for a job, then work it. Those of us in business and those with a home to keep running aren't going to lose what we have just because some of you think we owe you a damn job. Employers create the job; they own the job; constitutionally speaking we can give them to whomever we damn well please.

We got into this clusterphuck of a situation because years ago the blacks demanded that they be given the jobs. Now you want them because you're born in the United States. I can't hire people that don't apply; can't afford to pay you if you don't work. Passing laws just costs you extra taxes.

If you could succeed at closing me down, NO jobs would exist. You see, when the wheels of commerce run, other jobs are created. Here's your situation:

A Mexican kid comes along and takes a job at $20 an hour. He APPLIED for the job. You didn't find it because you're on the Internet bitching. The Mexican guy has kids and an apartment (bills and responsibilities.) Those of you bitching live in mommy's basement or your old bedroom of when you were 12. You don't pay rent; on average most of you don't have an education, no job skills, no driver's license, and no work ethic. All you have are tattoos, body piercings, a criminal record, an addiction to cigarettes and alcohol along with addictions to pot and possibly hard core drugs.

You want the right to be like that? I fully support it. But, if you live an irresponsible lifestyle, YOU pay for it. Don't expect the employer to. If you don't have your own house, YOU are fucking the rest of the taxpayers. Property taxes are just as high, if not higher, than the income tax you FALSELY accuse the foreigners of not paying. If you're living rent free with mommy (or if you're a parent with deadbeat kids), then YOU are the problem. In all honesty I'd love to hire a staff of all white males. The problem is most of them fit that previous paragraph and nobody should be forced to hire them.

Guys, I'm not losing what I have because some of you are too stupid to be able to compete against uneducated third worlders. If you run big businesses out over who they hire, they will move to another country. Then you get NOTHING... and if you're sitting on your ass playing video games, visiting sites on social media, smoking weed, worrying about your next body piercing or tattoo while living in your parents home, YOU ARE THE PROBLEM. If you're a parent letting your kids live at home, YOU ARE THE PROBLEM. Fix your culture, vote with your wallet and pocket book. Boycott places that hire and / or cater to those you find offensive. Quit thinking that you can build a government big enough to save your from your own stupidity. In any event, get off the employers ass. There is not a swinging dick on the face of the earth that is going to tell me who I can and cannot hire. All this big government B.S. is over.

This is absurd. I wouldn't even know where to begin.

I just wish all of Trump's blue collar supporters could hear what you just said about them. They are deplorable. I agree.

And you think you should be legally allowed to hire people who are here in the country illegally? Sorry but your country disagrees with you. What you are is an illegal employer and you should have your business taken away from you.

GO TO ANOTHER COUNTRY! By all means fucking leave. Lets see you succeed in any other country besides the USA you fucking asshole.

Maybe you need to pay an American wage. Maybe that's why you can't find anyone good to come work for you.

Oh, and the arguments you are making would actually be good arguments in a good economy when wages are up but Trump said he was going to kick illegals out and build a wall in order to raise wages for blue collar workers. We all know wages go down when the market is flooded with workers. So right now we have really low unemployment numbers. So then why the fuck is Trump still talking about illegals? I'll tell you why. Because it wins over the racist vote. You got to make someone else the bad guy. It's not the corporations who want to keep workers wages down. It's either the workers fault or the illegals.

This reminds me of the GOP arguments that you guys made when Bush was in office. Meanwhile the rich got richer moving their operations to other countries. LEAVE! If you can make more somewhere else you'd already be gone you fucking traitor.

You should lose your business and go to jail.

I'm sorry, but the country does NOT disagree with me. We're all adults here, son. So, let's be honest. If a majority of people picked the president, they chose Hitlery Clinton. She got the most votes. So, you're wrong on that count.

On the second count, the United States Supreme Court has opined that NO ONE is obligated to obey an unconstitutional act. That is THEIR logic, not mine.

Now then, the only authority the federal government has over foreigners is "Congress shall have the power ...To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization" (Article 1 Section 8 of the Constitution) which they did only months after the ratification of the United States Constitution. In that law, it provided that:

"Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America, in Congress assembled, That any Alien being a free white person, who shall have resided within the limits and under the jurisdiction of the United States for the term of two years, may be admitted to become a citizen thereof..."

United States Congress, “An act to establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization” (March 26, 1790)

Despite this fact, foreigners came here to work and do business for EIGHTY FIVE YEARS before the United States Supreme Court stepped in and granted "plenary powers" to the federal government for everything related to foreigners in about 1875 - 1876.

I will give you $10,000 (TEN THOUSAND DOLLARS) in cash to cite one sentence from the Constitution wherein the framers gave the United States Supreme Court to grant to any other branch of government ANY power, much less plenary powers. The United States Supreme Court legislated from the bench. And you won't have the ethical wherewithal to admit that the high Court legislated from the bench which disrespects the Rule of Law. You Trumpsters preach about it, but sure as Hell don't want to live by it. Hypocrites, every one of you!

Adding insult to injury, Congress ILLEGALLY passed the 14th Amendment that you probably think is valid. If not for that Amendment, you wouldn't have all those brown babies born in the U.S. you'd like to call a racist name, but cowardly chose "anchor babies," and that pretext proved to be false as parents are being deported and you're being left to pay welfare for their American born children.

To give you the coup de grace, the 14th Amendment gave foreigners (regardless of any liberal immigration status the Democrats thought up for you) the government right of liberty (sic.) While doing that they NULLIFIED the Bill of Rights. This link will explain it to you:

Stolen Rights

If I get shut down, the government will raise taxes somewhere to compensate for the loss. And you'll pay them. You can't win. You're on the wrong side of the argument (you're actually arguing in favor of socialism) and you're on the wrong side of history. That above link will help you a lot.

So muslim illegals can come flooding in over the border and we are powerless to stop you from hiring them?

This is just ridiculous. Does anyone here at USMB agree with you? Or are you just trying to be outrageous?

If we are not going to physically stop employers from hiring illegals we might as well be considered powerless to stop them.

There will be no loss. Another American will just fill in that void you left when we shut your business down.

Not going to happen in any meaningful numbers.

Reclaiming the Issues: "It's an Illegal Employer Problem"

You know who agrees with you? All the illegal employers in America.

And they have the ear of D.C. You aren't going to out fund them.

And I've been telling these stupid Republicans that it is YOU who is the problem and not illegal immigrants but Fox and Rush got these idiots worshipping you job creators. Little do they know you are stealing from the American middle class.

The cost of illegal immigration to taxpayers is growing at an unsustainable pace

They know.

You look to Washington District of Corruption for your salvation. IF the posterity of the founders banded together, worked and traded among themselves and IF the youth divorced themselves from drugs, alcohol, cigarettes, video games and social media in favor of education and exercise, you could solve your problems.

You come here with a link from FAIR, which was founded by and is financed by a white supremacist, your arguments may float on this board, but not in the court of public opinion on the evening MSM news.

 

[Papageorgio]

Republicans like to blame bleeding heart liberals for illegal immigration. But the fact is, if people weren't hiring them, they'd go home. Who's hiring them? Small business owners? Aren't they typically Republicans?

Here are three great articles on the subject:

ThomHartmann.com - Today's Immigration Battle Corporatists vs. Racists (and Labor is Left Behind)

ThomHartmann.com - Illegal Workers: the Con's Secret Weapon


ThomHartmann.com - Reclaiming the Issues: "It's an Illegal Employer Problem"

Sorry, Thommy Boi is a racist, bigot who puts on a hate radio show. The guy is just nuts.

 

[Porter Rockwell]

Republicans like to blame bleeding heart liberals for illegal immigration. But the fact is, if people weren't hiring them, they'd go home. Who's hiring them? Small business owners? Aren't they typically Republicans?

Here are three great articles on the subject:

ThomHartmann.com - Today's Immigration Battle Corporatists vs. Racists (and Labor is Left Behind)

ThomHartmann.com - Illegal Workers: the Con's Secret Weapon


ThomHartmann.com - Reclaiming the Issues: "It's an Illegal Employer Problem"

Having looked this thread over carefully, it is painfully obvious that no matter how much is said, the right seems to be stuck on stupid on this issue. Is there any way that people can be objective here?

NOBODY can show me any sentence in the United States Constitution that gives Congress the authority to limit the liberty of foreigners. So, when I have work to do and advertise for people to come out, I'm going to hire the best qualified person at the price I can afford to pay (usually $20 to $40 an hour for basic handyman work.)

If you want the job, you have to get your ass off the Internet, forego social media, hang up your cell phone for a few hours and look for a job, then work it. Those of us in business and those with a home to keep running aren't going to lose what we have just because some of you think we owe you a damn job. Employers create the job; they own the job; constitutionally speaking we can give them to whomever we damn well please.

We got into this clusterphuck of a situation because years ago the blacks demanded that they be given the jobs. Now you want them because you're born in the United States. I can't hire people that don't apply; can't afford to pay you if you don't work. Passing laws just costs you extra taxes.

If you could succeed at closing me down, NO jobs would exist. You see, when the wheels of commerce run, other jobs are created. Here's your situation:

A Mexican kid comes along and takes a job at $20 an hour. He APPLIED for the job. You didn't find it because you're on the Internet bitching. The Mexican guy has kids and an apartment (bills and responsibilities.) Those of you bitching live in mommy's basement or your old bedroom of when you were 12. You don't pay rent; on average most of you don't have an education, no job skills, no driver's license, and no work ethic. All you have are tattoos, body piercings, a criminal record, an addiction to cigarettes and alcohol along with addictions to pot and possibly hard core drugs.

You want the right to be like that? I fully support it. But, if you live an irresponsible lifestyle, YOU pay for it. Don't expect the employer to. If you don't have your own house, YOU are fucking the rest of the taxpayers. Property taxes are just as high, if not higher, than the income tax you FALSELY accuse the foreigners of not paying. If you're living rent free with mommy (or if you're a parent with deadbeat kids), then YOU are the problem. In all honesty I'd love to hire a staff of all white males. The problem is most of them fit that previous paragraph and nobody should be forced to hire them?

Guys, I'm not losing what I have because some of you are too stupid to be able to compete against uneducated third worlders. If you run big businesses out over who they hire, they will move to another country. Then you get NOTHING... and if you're sitting on your ass playing video games, visiting sites on social media, smoking weed, worrying about your next body piercing or tattoo while living in your parents home, YOU ARE THE PROBLEM. If you're a parent letting your kids live at home, YOU ARE THE PROBLEM. Fix your culture, vote with your wallet and pocket book. Boycott places that hire and / or cater to those you find offensive. Quit thinking that you can build a government big enough to save your from your own stupidity. In any event, get off the employers ass. There is not a swinging dick on the face of the earth that is going to tell me who I can and cannot hire. All this big government B.S. is over.

This is absurd. I wouldn't even know where to begin.

I just wish all of Trump's blue collar supporters could hear what you just said about them. They are deplorable. I agree.

And you think you should be legally allowed to hire people who are here in the country illegally? Sorry but your country disagrees with you. What you are is an illegal employer and you should have your business taken away from you.

GO TO ANOTHER COUNTRY! By all means fucking leave. Lets see you succeed in any other country besides the USA you fucking asshole.

Maybe you need to pay an American wage. Maybe that's why you can't find anyone good to come work for you.

Oh, and the arguments you are making would actually be good arguments in a good economy when wages are up but Trump said he was going to kick illegals out and build a wall in order to raise wages for blue collar workers. We all know wages go down when the market is flooded with workers. So right now we have really low unemployment numbers. So then why the fuck is Trump still talking about illegals? I'll tell you why. Because it wins over the racist vote. You got to make someone else the bad guy. It's not the corporations who want to keep workers wages down. It's either the workers fault or the illegals.

This reminds me of the GOP arguments that you guys made when Bush was in office. Meanwhile the rich got richer moving their operations to other countries. LEAVE! If you can make more somewhere else you'd already be gone you fucking traitor.

You should lose your business and go to jail.

Rockwell is very far out there. I doubt he is a Trump supporter. If he is, considering his disagreement with the concept of immigration law, his reasoning is probably pretty muddled.

I supported Trump and voted for him. But, I will not do so again. He lied about gun control and he is the most anti-gun president in the history of the United States.

We all know, whether you admit it on a board or not, that most of Trump's anti-immigrant bullshit won't pass muster in the United States Supreme Court. But, he can sit back after his tenure as president and tell you he went to bat for you. How can his supporters be this fucking stupid is the only question I have?

Let me see, you toss out 1 million Hispanic daddies with an average of 3 American born children. They stay, his kids go on welfare. Which way is costing you more?

So, let's say you deport them too... you can't deport an American, but I'll play along with your fantasies. In a few years, those kids show up with the National ID card, Socialist Surveillance Number... ooops "Social Security Number" and birth certificate. You can't lock them out; they're Americans! They have no job skills, no education, no family support system, and can't even speak the English language. What is your master plan for dealing with them.

Once here, if you think you can keep families separated, you're a fucking retard no matter what you say about me. When the question comes up in the United States Supreme Court, I will bet you everything I own (down to the shirt on my back and my credit score exceeds 800 so you know I have something in my pants besides my penis) that the high Court will allow those erroneously called "illegals" to come back to the U.S.

The only group who can end the numbers of people coming here from foreign countries are those who gain control over their destiny and quit worrying about what Uncle Scam will do about it. Whatever the feds give you, they will want something in return. Why ask somebody to do something about your situation when YOU are the person most likely to be able to help yourself?

 

[sealybobo]

Republicans like to blame bleeding heart liberals for illegal immigration. But the fact is, if people weren't hiring them, they'd go home. Who's hiring them? Small business owners? Aren't they typically Republicans?

Here are three great articles on the subject:

ThomHartmann.com - Today's Immigration Battle Corporatists vs. Racists (and Labor is Left Behind)

ThomHartmann.com - Illegal Workers: the Con's Secret Weapon


ThomHartmann.com - Reclaiming the Issues: "It's an Illegal Employer Problem"

Having looked this thread over carefully, it is painfully obvious that no matter how much is said, the right seems to be stuck on stupid on this issue. Is there any way that people can be objective here?

NOBODY can show me any sentence in the United States Constitution that gives Congress the authority to limit the liberty of foreigners. So, when I have work to do and advertise for people to come out, I'm going to hire the best qualified person at the price I can afford to pay (usually $20 to $40 an hour for basic handyman work.)

If you want the job, you have to get your ass off the Internet, forego social media, hang up your cell phone for a few hours and look for a job, then work it. Those of us in business and those with a home to keep running aren't going to lose what we have just because some of you think we owe you a damn job. Employers create the job; they own the job; constitutionally speaking we can give them to whomever we damn well please.

We got into this clusterphuck of a situation because years ago the blacks demanded that they be given the jobs. Now you want them because you're born in the United States. I can't hire people that don't apply; can't afford to pay you if you don't work. Passing laws just costs you extra taxes.

If you could succeed at closing me down, NO jobs would exist. You see, when the wheels of commerce run, other jobs are created. Here's your situation:

A Mexican kid comes along and takes a job at $20 an hour. He APPLIED for the job. You didn't find it because you're on the Internet bitching. The Mexican guy has kids and an apartment (bills and responsibilities.) Those of you bitching live in mommy's basement or your old bedroom of when you were 12. You don't pay rent; on average most of you don't have an education, no job skills, no driver's license, and no work ethic. All you have are tattoos, body piercings, a criminal record, an addiction to cigarettes and alcohol along with addictions to pot and possibly hard core drugs.

You want the right to be like that? I fully support it. But, if you live an irresponsible lifestyle, YOU pay for it. Don't expect the employer to. If you don't have your own house, YOU are fucking the rest of the taxpayers. Property taxes are just as high, if not higher, than the income tax you FALSELY accuse the foreigners of not paying. If you're living rent free with mommy (or if you're a parent with deadbeat kids), then YOU are the problem. In all honesty I'd love to hire a staff of all white males. The problem is most of them fit that previous paragraph and nobody should be forced to hire them.

Guys, I'm not losing what I have because some of you are too stupid to be able to compete against uneducated third worlders. If you run big businesses out over who they hire, they will move to another country. Then you get NOTHING... and if you're sitting on your ass playing video games, visiting sites on social media, smoking weed, worrying about your next body piercing or tattoo while living in your parents home, YOU ARE THE PROBLEM. If you're a parent letting your kids live at home, YOU ARE THE PROBLEM. Fix your culture, vote with your wallet and pocket book. Boycott places that hire and / or cater to those you find offensive. Quit thinking that you can build a government big enough to save your from your own stupidity. In any event, get off the employers ass. There is not a swinging dick on the face of the earth that is going to tell me who I can and cannot hire. All this big government B.S. is over.

This is absurd. I wouldn't even know where to begin.

I just wish all of Trump's blue collar supporters could hear what you just said about them. They are deplorable. I agree.

And you think you should be legally allowed to hire people who are here in the country illegally? Sorry but your country disagrees with you. What you are is an illegal employer and you should have your business taken away from you.

GO TO ANOTHER COUNTRY! By all means fucking leave. Lets see you succeed in any other country besides the USA you fucking asshole.

Maybe you need to pay an American wage. Maybe that's why you can't find anyone good to come work for you.

Oh, and the arguments you are making would actually be good arguments in a good economy when wages are up but Trump said he was going to kick illegals out and build a wall in order to raise wages for blue collar workers. We all know wages go down when the market is flooded with workers. So right now we have really low unemployment numbers. So then why the fuck is Trump still talking about illegals? I'll tell you why. Because it wins over the racist vote. You got to make someone else the bad guy. It's not the corporations who want to keep workers wages down. It's either the workers fault or the illegals.

This reminds me of the GOP arguments that you guys made when Bush was in office. Meanwhile the rich got richer moving their operations to other countries. LEAVE! If you can make more somewhere else you'd already be gone you fucking traitor.

You should lose your business and go to jail.

I'm sorry, but the country does NOT disagree with me. We're all adults here, son. So, let's be honest. If a majority of people picked the president, they chose Hitlery Clinton. She got the most votes. So, you're wrong on that count.

On the second count, the United States Supreme Court has opined that NO ONE is obligated to obey an unconstitutional act. That is THEIR logic, not mine.

Now then, the only authority the federal government has over foreigners is "Congress shall have the power ...To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization" (Article 1 Section 8 of the Constitution) which they did only months after the ratification of the United States Constitution. In that law, it provided that:

"Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America, in Congress assembled, That any Alien being a free white person, who shall have resided within the limits and under the jurisdiction of the United States for the term of two years, may be admitted to become a citizen thereof..."

United States Congress, “An act to establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization” (March 26, 1790)

Despite this fact, foreigners came here to work and do business for EIGHTY FIVE YEARS before the United States Supreme Court stepped in and granted "plenary powers" to the federal government for everything related to foreigners in about 1875 - 1876.

I will give you $10,000 (TEN THOUSAND DOLLARS) in cash to cite one sentence from the Constitution wherein the framers gave the United States Supreme Court to grant to any other branch of government ANY power, much less plenary powers. The United States Supreme Court legislated from the bench. And you won't have the ethical wherewithal to admit that the high Court legislated from the bench which disrespects the Rule of Law. You Trumpsters preach about it, but sure as Hell don't want to live by it. Hypocrites, every one of you!

Adding insult to injury, Congress ILLEGALLY passed the 14th Amendment that you probably think is valid. If not for that Amendment, you wouldn't have all those brown babies born in the U.S. you'd like to call a racist name, but cowardly chose "anchor babies," and that pretext proved to be false as parents are being deported and you're being left to pay welfare for their American born children.

To give you the coup de grace, the 14th Amendment gave foreigners (regardless of any liberal immigration status the Democrats thought up for you) the government right of liberty (sic.) While doing that they NULLIFIED the Bill of Rights. This link will explain it to you:

Stolen Rights

If I get shut down, the government will raise taxes somewhere to compensate for the loss. And you'll pay them. You can't win. You're on the wrong side of the argument (you're actually arguing in favor of socialism) and you're on the wrong side of history. That above link will help you a lot.

OK, I'm curious (though I do not know why) how was the 14th passed illegally?

I don't know but it can easily be amended again.

Let me give you an example. In Missouri they are an open carry state. In other words, you can carry your gun around with you as long as it's in plane sight.

Man charged with making terrorist threat for walking into Missouri Walmart with rifle, body armor

But not anymore. Why? Because people are taking their guns into walmart and shooting people. So, the laws have to change.

Your slick arguments mean nothing to me. Common sense matters to me most.

Does anyone here on USMB agree with your position that illegal immigrants have rights? I mean I know they have SOME rights but even those we can change if they are using those RIGHTS to fuck with our system.

 

[sealybobo]

Republicans like to blame bleeding heart liberals for illegal immigration. But the fact is, if people weren't hiring them, they'd go home. Who's hiring them? Small business owners? Aren't they typically Republicans?

Here are three great articles on the subject:

ThomHartmann.com - Today's Immigration Battle Corporatists vs. Racists (and Labor is Left Behind)

ThomHartmann.com - Illegal Workers: the Con's Secret Weapon


ThomHartmann.com - Reclaiming the Issues: "It's an Illegal Employer Problem"

Having looked this thread over carefully, it is painfully obvious that no matter how much is said, the right seems to be stuck on stupid on this issue. Is there any way that people can be objective here?

NOBODY can show me any sentence in the United States Constitution that gives Congress the authority to limit the liberty of foreigners. So, when I have work to do and advertise for people to come out, I'm going to hire the best qualified person at the price I can afford to pay (usually $20 to $40 an hour for basic handyman work.)

If you want the job, you have to get your ass off the Internet, forego social media, hang up your cell phone for a few hours and look for a job, then work it. Those of us in business and those with a home to keep running aren't going to lose what we have just because some of you think we owe you a damn job. Employers create the job; they own the job; constitutionally speaking we can give them to whomever we damn well please.

We got into this clusterphuck of a situation because years ago the blacks demanded that they be given the jobs. Now you want them because you're born in the United States. I can't hire people that don't apply; can't afford to pay you if you don't work. Passing laws just costs you extra taxes.

If you could succeed at closing me down, NO jobs would exist. You see, when the wheels of commerce run, other jobs are created. Here's your situation:

A Mexican kid comes along and takes a job at $20 an hour. He APPLIED for the job. You didn't find it because you're on the Internet bitching. The Mexican guy has kids and an apartment (bills and responsibilities.) Those of you bitching live in mommy's basement or your old bedroom of when you were 12. You don't pay rent; on average most of you don't have an education, no job skills, no driver's license, and no work ethic. All you have are tattoos, body piercings, a criminal record, an addiction to cigarettes and alcohol along with addictions to pot and possibly hard core drugs.

You want the right to be like that? I fully support it. But, if you live an irresponsible lifestyle, YOU pay for it. Don't expect the employer to. If you don't have your own house, YOU are fucking the rest of the taxpayers. Property taxes are just as high, if not higher, than the income tax you FALSELY accuse the foreigners of not paying. If you're living rent free with mommy (or if you're a parent with deadbeat kids), then YOU are the problem. In all honesty I'd love to hire a staff of all white males. The problem is most of them fit that previous paragraph and nobody should be forced to hire them.

Guys, I'm not losing what I have because some of you are too stupid to be able to compete against uneducated third worlders. If you run big businesses out over who they hire, they will move to another country. Then you get NOTHING... and if you're sitting on your ass playing video games, visiting sites on social media, smoking weed, worrying about your next body piercing or tattoo while living in your parents home, YOU ARE THE PROBLEM. If you're a parent letting your kids live at home, YOU ARE THE PROBLEM. Fix your culture, vote with your wallet and pocket book. Boycott places that hire and / or cater to those you find offensive. Quit thinking that you can build a government big enough to save your from your own stupidity. In any event, get off the employers ass. There is not a swinging dick on the face of the earth that is going to tell me who I can and cannot hire. All this big government B.S. is over.

This is absurd. I wouldn't even know where to begin.

I just wish all of Trump's blue collar supporters could hear what you just said about them. They are deplorable. I agree.

And you think you should be legally allowed to hire people who are here in the country illegally? Sorry but your country disagrees with you. What you are is an illegal employer and you should have your business taken away from you.

GO TO ANOTHER COUNTRY! By all means fucking leave. Lets see you succeed in any other country besides the USA you fucking asshole.

Maybe you need to pay an American wage. Maybe that's why you can't find anyone good to come work for you.

Oh, and the arguments you are making would actually be good arguments in a good economy when wages are up but Trump said he was going to kick illegals out and build a wall in order to raise wages for blue collar workers. We all know wages go down when the market is flooded with workers. So right now we have really low unemployment numbers. So then why the fuck is Trump still talking about illegals? I'll tell you why. Because it wins over the racist vote. You got to make someone else the bad guy. It's not the corporations who want to keep workers wages down. It's either the workers fault or the illegals.

This reminds me of the GOP arguments that you guys made when Bush was in office. Meanwhile the rich got richer moving their operations to other countries. LEAVE! If you can make more somewhere else you'd already be gone you fucking traitor.

You should lose your business and go to jail.

Rockwell is very far out there. I doubt he is a Trump supporter. If he is, considering his disagreement with the concept of immigration law, his reasoning is probably pretty muddled.

He is an illegal employer who's getting rich off immigrants. He is absolutely a Republican.

Based on these numbers he should vote GOP

"Between 1999 and 2003, work-site enforcement operations were scaled back 95 percent by the Immigration and Naturalization Service, which subsequently was merged into the Homeland Security Department. The number of employers prosecuted for unlawfully employing immigrants dropped from 182 in 1999 to four in 2003, and fines collected declined from $3.6 million to $212,000, according to federal statistics.

"In 1999, the United States initiated fines against 417 companies. In 2004, it issued fine notices to three."

 

[sealybobo]

Republicans like to blame bleeding heart liberals for illegal immigration. But the fact is, if people weren't hiring them, they'd go home. Who's hiring them? Small business owners? Aren't they typically Republicans?

Here are three great articles on the subject:

ThomHartmann.com - Today's Immigration Battle Corporatists vs. Racists (and Labor is Left Behind)

ThomHartmann.com - Illegal Workers: the Con's Secret Weapon


ThomHartmann.com - Reclaiming the Issues: "It's an Illegal Employer Problem"

Having looked this thread over carefully, it is painfully obvious that no matter how much is said, the right seems to be stuck on stupid on this issue. Is there any way that people can be objective here?

NOBODY can show me any sentence in the United States Constitution that gives Congress the authority to limit the liberty of foreigners. So, when I have work to do and advertise for people to come out, I'm going to hire the best qualified person at the price I can afford to pay (usually $20 to $40 an hour for basic handyman work.)

If you want the job, you have to get your ass off the Internet, forego social media, hang up your cell phone for a few hours and look for a job, then work it. Those of us in business and those with a home to keep running aren't going to lose what we have just because some of you think we owe you a damn job. Employers create the job; they own the job; constitutionally speaking we can give them to whomever we damn well please.

We got into this clusterphuck of a situation because years ago the blacks demanded that they be given the jobs. Now you want them because you're born in the United States. I can't hire people that don't apply; can't afford to pay you if you don't work. Passing laws just costs you extra taxes.

If you could succeed at closing me down, NO jobs would exist. You see, when the wheels of commerce run, other jobs are created. Here's your situation:

A Mexican kid comes along and takes a job at $20 an hour. He APPLIED for the job. You didn't find it because you're on the Internet bitching. The Mexican guy has kids and an apartment (bills and responsibilities.) Those of you bitching live in mommy's basement or your old bedroom of when you were 12. You don't pay rent; on average most of you don't have an education, no job skills, no driver's license, and no work ethic. All you have are tattoos, body piercings, a criminal record, an addiction to cigarettes and alcohol along with addictions to pot and possibly hard core drugs.

You want the right to be like that? I fully support it. But, if you live an irresponsible lifestyle, YOU pay for it. Don't expect the employer to. If you don't have your own house, YOU are fucking the rest of the taxpayers. Property taxes are just as high, if not higher, than the income tax you FALSELY accuse the foreigners of not paying. If you're living rent free with mommy (or if you're a parent with deadbeat kids), then YOU are the problem. In all honesty I'd love to hire a staff of all white males. The problem is most of them fit that previous paragraph and nobody should be forced to hire them.

Guys, I'm not losing what I have because some of you are too stupid to be able to compete against uneducated third worlders. If you run big businesses out over who they hire, they will move to another country. Then you get NOTHING... and if you're sitting on your ass playing video games, visiting sites on social media, smoking weed, worrying about your next body piercing or tattoo while living in your parents home, YOU ARE THE PROBLEM. If you're a parent letting your kids live at home, YOU ARE THE PROBLEM. Fix your culture, vote with your wallet and pocket book. Boycott places that hire and / or cater to those you find offensive. Quit thinking that you can build a government big enough to save your from your own stupidity. In any event, get off the employers ass. There is not a swinging dick on the face of the earth that is going to tell me who I can and cannot hire. All this big government B.S. is over.

This is absurd. I wouldn't even know where to begin.

I just wish all of Trump's blue collar supporters could hear what you just said about them. They are deplorable. I agree.

And you think you should be legally allowed to hire people who are here in the country illegally? Sorry but your country disagrees with you. What you are is an illegal employer and you should have your business taken away from you.

GO TO ANOTHER COUNTRY! By all means fucking leave. Lets see you succeed in any other country besides the USA you fucking asshole.

Maybe you need to pay an American wage. Maybe that's why you can't find anyone good to come work for you.

Oh, and the arguments you are making would actually be good arguments in a good economy when wages are up but Trump said he was going to kick illegals out and build a wall in order to raise wages for blue collar workers. We all know wages go down when the market is flooded with workers. So right now we have really low unemployment numbers. So then why the fuck is Trump still talking about illegals? I'll tell you why. Because it wins over the racist vote. You got to make someone else the bad guy. It's not the corporations who want to keep workers wages down. It's either the workers fault or the illegals.

This reminds me of the GOP arguments that you guys made when Bush was in office. Meanwhile the rich got richer moving their operations to other countries. LEAVE! If you can make more somewhere else you'd already be gone you fucking traitor.

You should lose your business and go to jail.

I'm sorry, but the country does NOT disagree with me. We're all adults here, son. So, let's be honest. If a majority of people picked the president, they chose Hitlery Clinton. She got the most votes. So, you're wrong on that count.

On the second count, the United States Supreme Court has opined that NO ONE is obligated to obey an unconstitutional act. That is THEIR logic, not mine.

Now then, the only authority the federal government has over foreigners is "Congress shall have the power ...To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization" (Article 1 Section 8 of the Constitution) which they did only months after the ratification of the United States Constitution. In that law, it provided that:

"Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America, in Congress assembled, That any Alien being a free white person, who shall have resided within the limits and under the jurisdiction of the United States for the term of two years, may be admitted to become a citizen thereof..."

United States Congress, “An act to establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization” (March 26, 1790)

Despite this fact, foreigners came here to work and do business for EIGHTY FIVE YEARS before the United States Supreme Court stepped in and granted "plenary powers" to the federal government for everything related to foreigners in about 1875 - 1876.

I will give you $10,000 (TEN THOUSAND DOLLARS) in cash to cite one sentence from the Constitution wherein the framers gave the United States Supreme Court to grant to any other branch of government ANY power, much less plenary powers. The United States Supreme Court legislated from the bench. And you won't have the ethical wherewithal to admit that the high Court legislated from the bench which disrespects the Rule of Law. You Trumpsters preach about it, but sure as Hell don't want to live by it. Hypocrites, every one of you!

Adding insult to injury, Congress ILLEGALLY passed the 14th Amendment that you probably think is valid. If not for that Amendment, you wouldn't have all those brown babies born in the U.S. you'd like to call a racist name, but cowardly chose "anchor babies," and that pretext proved to be false as parents are being deported and you're being left to pay welfare for their American born children.

To give you the coup de grace, the 14th Amendment gave foreigners (regardless of any liberal immigration status the Democrats thought up for you) the government right of liberty (sic.) While doing that they NULLIFIED the Bill of Rights. This link will explain it to you:

Stolen Rights

If I get shut down, the government will raise taxes somewhere to compensate for the loss. And you'll pay them. You can't win. You're on the wrong side of the argument (you're actually arguing in favor of socialism) and you're on the wrong side of history. That above link will help you a lot.

So muslim illegals can come flooding in over the border and we are powerless to stop you from hiring them?

This is just ridiculous. Does anyone here at USMB agree with you? Or are you just trying to be outrageous?

There will be no loss. Another American will just fill in that void you left when we shut your business down.

Reclaiming the Issues: "It's an Illegal Employer Problem"

You know who agrees with you? All the illegal employers in America.

And I've been telling these stupid Republicans that it is YOU who is the problem and not illegal immigrants but Fox and Rush got these idiots worshipping you job creators. Little do they know you are stealing from the American middle class.

The cost of illegal immigration to taxpayers is growing at an unsustainable pace

America is a REPUBLIC, not a democracy. If everybody here wants to disagree, that is their Right as an American. You dodged replying to the link I left. Wonder why.

No Americans are filling the void left by American businesses. Foreigners are buying them up. You sit on your ass and pray for my demise, thinking I owe you a job because your sorry ass was born in the USA.

You have to go to school; you have to learn how to do a job; you have to develop a work ethic. Then you have to APPLY for the job. People like you don't. You're here all day moaning and groaning, crying and complaining when you should be acquiring a skill set. The job ins't going to come and find you son.

If I get put out of business, there will be Hispanics and Jamaicans that will be doing this stuff the next day. I've already told your dumb ass I'd hire a whole staff of white American males, but finding white people who aren't on drugs, have their head into video games and social media is like trying to find gold nuggets in a septic tank.

Clean up your culture and your problems will go away on their own. The government is powerless to save you from your own stupidity.

Ha! I went to school. The illegals you hire didn't.

You sit on your ass thinking you can hire people who aren't legally allowed to work in this country. You sir are a traitor.

Yes, your competition will quickly and easily fill the void you leave. No one needs you.

What you are saying is strangely similar to the shit you Republicans were telling us when Bush was in office. It wasn't the economy that was fucked up, it was US. WE need to go back to school or start our own business if we don't like what we are being paid.

Then Obama got into office and then you flip flopping Republicans started saying it was the government's fault. It was Obama's fault. It was now ok to blame the government because it wasn't your party that was running it.

Now you are back to telling American workers they suck. Welcome back. I missed you guys. This is the real you. LOL.

P.S. I make 6 figures and have no bills. Maybe I spend $2000 a month total. What do I make after taxes something like $75k? So I save about $50K a year. I'm not one of the loser blue collar Americans you are referring to. Correll needs to hear what you are saying. Blue collar wages will never go up because you corporations own/control the system. Trump cries about illegals and you hire them up. Asshole.

 

[sealybobo]

Republicans like to blame bleeding heart liberals for illegal immigration. But the fact is, if people weren't hiring them, they'd go home. Who's hiring them? Small business owners? Aren't they typically Republicans?

Here are three great articles on the subject:

ThomHartmann.com - Today's Immigration Battle Corporatists vs. Racists (and Labor is Left Behind)

ThomHartmann.com - Illegal Workers: the Con's Secret Weapon


ThomHartmann.com - Reclaiming the Issues: "It's an Illegal Employer Problem"

Having looked this thread over carefully, it is painfully obvious that no matter how much is said, the right seems to be stuck on stupid on this issue. Is there any way that people can be objective here?

NOBODY can show me any sentence in the United States Constitution that gives Congress the authority to limit the liberty of foreigners. So, when I have work to do and advertise for people to come out, I'm going to hire the best qualified person at the price I can afford to pay (usually $20 to $40 an hour for basic handyman work.)

If you want the job, you have to get your ass off the Internet, forego social media, hang up your cell phone for a few hours and look for a job, then work it. Those of us in business and those with a home to keep running aren't going to lose what we have just because some of you think we owe you a damn job. Employers create the job; they own the job; constitutionally speaking we can give them to whomever we damn well please.

We got into this clusterphuck of a situation because years ago the blacks demanded that they be given the jobs. Now you want them because you're born in the United States. I can't hire people that don't apply; can't afford to pay you if you don't work. Passing laws just costs you extra taxes.

If you could succeed at closing me down, NO jobs would exist. You see, when the wheels of commerce run, other jobs are created. Here's your situation:

A Mexican kid comes along and takes a job at $20 an hour. He APPLIED for the job. You didn't find it because you're on the Internet bitching. The Mexican guy has kids and an apartment (bills and responsibilities.) Those of you bitching live in mommy's basement or your old bedroom of when you were 12. You don't pay rent; on average most of you don't have an education, no job skills, no driver's license, and no work ethic. All you have are tattoos, body piercings, a criminal record, an addiction to cigarettes and alcohol along with addictions to pot and possibly hard core drugs.

You want the right to be like that? I fully support it. But, if you live an irresponsible lifestyle, YOU pay for it. Don't expect the employer to. If you don't have your own house, YOU are fucking the rest of the taxpayers. Property taxes are just as high, if not higher, than the income tax you FALSELY accuse the foreigners of not paying. If you're living rent free with mommy (or if you're a parent with deadbeat kids), then YOU are the problem. In all honesty I'd love to hire a staff of all white males. The problem is most of them fit that previous paragraph and nobody should be forced to hire them?

Guys, I'm not losing what I have because some of you are too stupid to be able to compete against uneducated third worlders. If you run big businesses out over who they hire, they will move to another country. Then you get NOTHING... and if you're sitting on your ass playing video games, visiting sites on social media, smoking weed, worrying about your next body piercing or tattoo while living in your parents home, YOU ARE THE PROBLEM. If you're a parent letting your kids live at home, YOU ARE THE PROBLEM. Fix your culture, vote with your wallet and pocket book. Boycott places that hire and / or cater to those you find offensive. Quit thinking that you can build a government big enough to save your from your own stupidity. In any event, get off the employers ass. There is not a swinging dick on the face of the earth that is going to tell me who I can and cannot hire. All this big government B.S. is over.

This is absurd. I wouldn't even know where to begin.

I just wish all of Trump's blue collar supporters could hear what you just said about them. They are deplorable. I agree.

And you think you should be legally allowed to hire people who are here in the country illegally? Sorry but your country disagrees with you. What you are is an illegal employer and you should have your business taken away from you.

GO TO ANOTHER COUNTRY! By all means fucking leave. Lets see you succeed in any other country besides the USA you fucking asshole.

Maybe you need to pay an American wage. Maybe that's why you can't find anyone good to come work for you.

Oh, and the arguments you are making would actually be good arguments in a good economy when wages are up but Trump said he was going to kick illegals out and build a wall in order to raise wages for blue collar workers. We all know wages go down when the market is flooded with workers. So right now we have really low unemployment numbers. So then why the fuck is Trump still talking about illegals? I'll tell you why. Because it wins over the racist vote. You got to make someone else the bad guy. It's not the corporations who want to keep workers wages down. It's either the workers fault or the illegals.

This reminds me of the GOP arguments that you guys made when Bush was in office. Meanwhile the rich got richer moving their operations to other countries. LEAVE! If you can make more somewhere else you'd already be gone you fucking traitor.

You should lose your business and go to jail.

Rockwell is very far out there. I doubt he is a Trump supporter. If he is, considering his disagreement with the concept of immigration law, his reasoning is probably pretty muddled.

I supported Trump and voted for him. But, I will not do so again. He lied about gun control and he is the most anti-gun president in the history of the United States.

We all know, whether you admit it on a board or not, that most of Trump's anti-immigrant bullshit won't pass muster in the United States Supreme Court. But, he can sit back after his tenure as president and tell you he went to bat for you. How can his supporters be this fucking stupid is the only question I have?

Let me see, you toss out 1 million Hispanic daddies with an average of 3 American born children. They stay, his kids go on welfare. Which way is costing you more?

So, let's say you deport them too... you can't deport an American, but I'll play along with your fantasies. In a few years, those kids show up with the National ID card, Socialist Surveillance Number... ooops "Social Security Number" and birth certificate. You can't lock them out; they're Americans! They have no job skills, no education, no family support system, and can't even speak the English language. What is your master plan for dealing with them.

Once here, if you think you can keep families separated, you're a fucking retard no matter what you say about me. When the question comes up in the United States Supreme Court, I will bet you everything I own (down to the shirt on my back and my credit score exceeds 800 so you know I have something in my pants besides my penis) that the high Court will allow those erroneously called "illegals" to come back to the U.S.

The only group who can end the numbers of people coming here from foreign countries are those who gain control over their destiny and quit worrying about what Uncle Scam will do about it. Whatever the feds give you, they will want something in return. Why ask somebody to do something about your situation when YOU are the person most likely to be able to help yourself?

Yes, the crony court will let the illegals in. It will make Correll think they are liberal but the reality is the corporations want these illegals flooding the job market. But Correll will blame the "liberal" media and "liberal" supreme court.

This is how the rich are fucking America over and getting away with it. They caused the Great Recession in 2008 and convinced guys like Correll that it was liberals that done it. Well, now he knows he's being duped. Maybe now he will realize he signed up for Trump University when he voted for Trump.

 

[sealybobo]

Republicans like to blame bleeding heart liberals for illegal immigration. But the fact is, if people weren't hiring them, they'd go home. Who's hiring them? Small business owners? Aren't they typically Republicans?

Here are three great articles on the subject:

ThomHartmann.com - Today's Immigration Battle Corporatists vs. Racists (and Labor is Left Behind)

ThomHartmann.com - Illegal Workers: the Con's Secret Weapon


ThomHartmann.com - Reclaiming the Issues: "It's an Illegal Employer Problem"

Sorry, Thommy Boi is a racist, bigot who puts on a hate radio show. The guy is just nuts.

Show me where/when he's been a racist.

 

[Correll]

Republicans like to blame bleeding heart liberals for illegal immigration. But the fact is, if people weren't hiring them, they'd go home. Who's hiring them? Small business owners? Aren't they typically Republicans?

Here are three great articles on the subject:

ThomHartmann.com - Today's Immigration Battle Corporatists vs. Racists (and Labor is Left Behind)

ThomHartmann.com - Illegal Workers: the Con's Secret Weapon


ThomHartmann.com - Reclaiming the Issues: "It's an Illegal Employer Problem"

Having looked this thread over carefully, it is painfully obvious that no matter how much is said, the right seems to be stuck on stupid on this issue. Is there any way that people can be objective here?

NOBODY can show me any sentence in the United States Constitution that gives Congress the authority to limit the liberty of foreigners. So, when I have work to do and advertise for people to come out, I'm going to hire the best qualified person at the price I can afford to pay (usually $20 to $40 an hour for basic handyman work.)

If you want the job, you have to get your ass off the Internet, forego social media, hang up your cell phone for a few hours and look for a job, then work it. Those of us in business and those with a home to keep running aren't going to lose what we have just because some of you think we owe you a damn job. Employers create the job; they own the job; constitutionally speaking we can give them to whomever we damn well please.

We got into this clusterphuck of a situation because years ago the blacks demanded that they be given the jobs. Now you want them because you're born in the United States. I can't hire people that don't apply; can't afford to pay you if you don't work. Passing laws just costs you extra taxes.

If you could succeed at closing me down, NO jobs would exist. You see, when the wheels of commerce run, other jobs are created. Here's your situation:

A Mexican kid comes along and takes a job at $20 an hour. He APPLIED for the job. You didn't find it because you're on the Internet bitching. The Mexican guy has kids and an apartment (bills and responsibilities.) Those of you bitching live in mommy's basement or your old bedroom of when you were 12. You don't pay rent; on average most of you don't have an education, no job skills, no driver's license, and no work ethic. All you have are tattoos, body piercings, a criminal record, an addiction to cigarettes and alcohol along with addictions to pot and possibly hard core drugs.

You want the right to be like that? I fully support it. But, if you live an irresponsible lifestyle, YOU pay for it. Don't expect the employer to. If you don't have your own house, YOU are fucking the rest of the taxpayers. Property taxes are just as high, if not higher, than the income tax you FALSELY accuse the foreigners of not paying. If you're living rent free with mommy (or if you're a parent with deadbeat kids), then YOU are the problem. In all honesty I'd love to hire a staff of all white males. The problem is most of them fit that previous paragraph and nobody should be forced to hire them.

Guys, I'm not losing what I have because some of you are too stupid to be able to compete against uneducated third worlders. If you run big businesses out over who they hire, they will move to another country. Then you get NOTHING... and if you're sitting on your ass playing video games, visiting sites on social media, smoking weed, worrying about your next body piercing or tattoo while living in your parents home, YOU ARE THE PROBLEM. If you're a parent letting your kids live at home, YOU ARE THE PROBLEM. Fix your culture, vote with your wallet and pocket book. Boycott places that hire and / or cater to those you find offensive. Quit thinking that you can build a government big enough to save your from your own stupidity. In any event, get off the employers ass. There is not a swinging dick on the face of the earth that is going to tell me who I can and cannot hire. All this big government B.S. is over.

This is absurd. I wouldn't even know where to begin.

I just wish all of Trump's blue collar supporters could hear what you just said about them. They are deplorable. I agree.

And you think you should be legally allowed to hire people who are here in the country illegally? Sorry but your country disagrees with you. What you are is an illegal employer and you should have your business taken away from you.

GO TO ANOTHER COUNTRY! By all means fucking leave. Lets see you succeed in any other country besides the USA you fucking asshole.

Maybe you need to pay an American wage. Maybe that's why you can't find anyone good to come work for you.

Oh, and the arguments you are making would actually be good arguments in a good economy when wages are up but Trump said he was going to kick illegals out and build a wall in order to raise wages for blue collar workers. We all know wages go down when the market is flooded with workers. So right now we have really low unemployment numbers. So then why the fuck is Trump still talking about illegals? I'll tell you why. Because it wins over the racist vote. You got to make someone else the bad guy. It's not the corporations who want to keep workers wages down. It's either the workers fault or the illegals.

This reminds me of the GOP arguments that you guys made when Bush was in office. Meanwhile the rich got richer moving their operations to other countries. LEAVE! If you can make more somewhere else you'd already be gone you fucking traitor.

You should lose your business and go to jail.

Rockwell is very far out there. I doubt he is a Trump supporter. If he is, considering his disagreement with the concept of immigration law, his reasoning is probably pretty muddled.

He is an illegal employer who's getting rich off immigrants. He is absolutely a Republican.

Based on these numbers he should vote GOP

"Between 1999 and 2003, work-site enforcement operations were scaled back 95 percent by the Immigration and Naturalization Service, which subsequently was merged into the Homeland Security Department. The number of employers prosecuted for unlawfully employing immigrants dropped from 182 in 1999 to four in 2003, and fines collected declined from $3.6 million to $212,000, according to federal statistics.

"In 1999, the United States initiated fines against 417 companies. In 2004, it issued fine notices to three."

He is not very clear when it comes to numbers, and he is far enough to the fringe that he should not be voting at all.


He has deep ideological disagreements with the very idea of immigration policy.

 

[Correll]

Republicans like to blame bleeding heart liberals for illegal immigration. But the fact is, if people weren't hiring them, they'd go home. Who's hiring them? Small business owners? Aren't they typically Republicans?

Here are three great articles on the subject:

ThomHartmann.com - Today's Immigration Battle Corporatists vs. Racists (and Labor is Left Behind)

ThomHartmann.com - Illegal Workers: the Con's Secret Weapon


ThomHartmann.com - Reclaiming the Issues: "It's an Illegal Employer Problem"

Having looked this thread over carefully, it is painfully obvious that no matter how much is said, the right seems to be stuck on stupid on this issue. Is there any way that people can be objective here?

NOBODY can show me any sentence in the United States Constitution that gives Congress the authority to limit the liberty of foreigners. So, when I have work to do and advertise for people to come out, I'm going to hire the best qualified person at the price I can afford to pay (usually $20 to $40 an hour for basic handyman work.)

If you want the job, you have to get your ass off the Internet, forego social media, hang up your cell phone for a few hours and look for a job, then work it. Those of us in business and those with a home to keep running aren't going to lose what we have just because some of you think we owe you a damn job. Employers create the job; they own the job; constitutionally speaking we can give them to whomever we damn well please.

We got into this clusterphuck of a situation because years ago the blacks demanded that they be given the jobs. Now you want them because you're born in the United States. I can't hire people that don't apply; can't afford to pay you if you don't work. Passing laws just costs you extra taxes.

If you could succeed at closing me down, NO jobs would exist. You see, when the wheels of commerce run, other jobs are created. Here's your situation:

A Mexican kid comes along and takes a job at $20 an hour. He APPLIED for the job. You didn't find it because you're on the Internet bitching. The Mexican guy has kids and an apartment (bills and responsibilities.) Those of you bitching live in mommy's basement or your old bedroom of when you were 12. You don't pay rent; on average most of you don't have an education, no job skills, no driver's license, and no work ethic. All you have are tattoos, body piercings, a criminal record, an addiction to cigarettes and alcohol along with addictions to pot and possibly hard core drugs.

You want the right to be like that? I fully support it. But, if you live an irresponsible lifestyle, YOU pay for it. Don't expect the employer to. If you don't have your own house, YOU are fucking the rest of the taxpayers. Property taxes are just as high, if not higher, than the income tax you FALSELY accuse the foreigners of not paying. If you're living rent free with mommy (or if you're a parent with deadbeat kids), then YOU are the problem. In all honesty I'd love to hire a staff of all white males. The problem is most of them fit that previous paragraph and nobody should be forced to hire them?

Guys, I'm not losing what I have because some of you are too stupid to be able to compete against uneducated third worlders. If you run big businesses out over who they hire, they will move to another country. Then you get NOTHING... and if you're sitting on your ass playing video games, visiting sites on social media, smoking weed, worrying about your next body piercing or tattoo while living in your parents home, YOU ARE THE PROBLEM. If you're a parent letting your kids live at home, YOU ARE THE PROBLEM. Fix your culture, vote with your wallet and pocket book. Boycott places that hire and / or cater to those you find offensive. Quit thinking that you can build a government big enough to save your from your own stupidity. In any event, get off the employers ass. There is not a swinging dick on the face of the earth that is going to tell me who I can and cannot hire. All this big government B.S. is over.

This is absurd. I wouldn't even know where to begin.

I just wish all of Trump's blue collar supporters could hear what you just said about them. They are deplorable. I agree.

And you think you should be legally allowed to hire people who are here in the country illegally? Sorry but your country disagrees with you. What you are is an illegal employer and you should have your business taken away from you.

GO TO ANOTHER COUNTRY! By all means fucking leave. Lets see you succeed in any other country besides the USA you fucking asshole.

Maybe you need to pay an American wage. Maybe that's why you can't find anyone good to come work for you.

Oh, and the arguments you are making would actually be good arguments in a good economy when wages are up but Trump said he was going to kick illegals out and build a wall in order to raise wages for blue collar workers. We all know wages go down when the market is flooded with workers. So right now we have really low unemployment numbers. So then why the fuck is Trump still talking about illegals? I'll tell you why. Because it wins over the racist vote. You got to make someone else the bad guy. It's not the corporations who want to keep workers wages down. It's either the workers fault or the illegals.

This reminds me of the GOP arguments that you guys made when Bush was in office. Meanwhile the rich got richer moving their operations to other countries. LEAVE! If you can make more somewhere else you'd already be gone you fucking traitor.

You should lose your business and go to jail.

Rockwell is very far out there. I doubt he is a Trump supporter. If he is, considering his disagreement with the concept of immigration law, his reasoning is probably pretty muddled.

I supported Trump and voted for him. But, I will not do so again. He lied about gun control and he is the most anti-gun president in the history of the United States.

We all know, whether you admit it on a board or not, that most of Trump's anti-immigrant bullshit won't pass muster in the United States Supreme Court. But, he can sit back after his tenure as president and tell you he went to bat for you. How can his supporters be this fucking stupid is the only question I have?

Let me see, you toss out 1 million Hispanic daddies with an average of 3 American born children. They stay, his kids go on welfare. Which way is costing you more?

So, let's say you deport them too... you can't deport an American, but I'll play along with your fantasies. In a few years, those kids show up with the National ID card, Socialist Surveillance Number... ooops "Social Security Number" and birth certificate. You can't lock them out; they're Americans! They have no job skills, no education, no family support system, and can't even speak the English language. What is your master plan for dealing with them.

Once here, if you think you can keep families separated, you're a fucking retard no matter what you say about me. When the question comes up in the United States Supreme Court, I will bet you everything I own (down to the shirt on my back and my credit score exceeds 800 so you know I have something in my pants besides my penis) that the high Court will allow those erroneously called "illegals" to come back to the U.S.

The only group who can end the numbers of people coming here from foreign countries are those who gain control over their destiny and quit worrying about what Uncle Scam will do about it. Whatever the feds give you, they will want something in return. Why ask somebody to do something about your situation when YOU are the person most likely to be able to help yourself?

Yes, the crony court will let the illegals in. It will make Correll think they are liberal but the reality is the corporations want these illegals flooding the job market. But Correll will blame the "liberal" media and "liberal" supreme court.

This is how the rich are fucking America over and getting away with it. They caused the Great Recession in 2008 and convinced guys like Correll that it was liberals that done it. Well, now he knows he's being duped. Maybe now he will realize he signed up for Trump University when he voted for Trump.

I've repeatedly agreed that the GOP share quite a bit of the responsibility for the immigration problems in this country.


That being said, Trump was the candidate most credible in offering a change to the status quo.


Who should we have supported instead of him, that would have given US anything better?

 

[sealybobo]

Having looked this thread over carefully, it is painfully obvious that no matter how much is said, the right seems to be stuck on stupid on this issue. Is there any way that people can be objective here?

NOBODY can show me any sentence in the United States Constitution that gives Congress the authority to limit the liberty of foreigners. So, when I have work to do and advertise for people to come out, I'm going to hire the best qualified person at the price I can afford to pay (usually $20 to $40 an hour for basic handyman work.)

If you want the job, you have to get your ass off the Internet, forego social media, hang up your cell phone for a few hours and look for a job, then work it. Those of us in business and those with a home to keep running aren't going to lose what we have just because some of you think we owe you a damn job. Employers create the job; they own the job; constitutionally speaking we can give them to whomever we damn well please.

We got into this clusterphuck of a situation because years ago the blacks demanded that they be given the jobs. Now you want them because you're born in the United States. I can't hire people that don't apply; can't afford to pay you if you don't work. Passing laws just costs you extra taxes.

If you could succeed at closing me down, NO jobs would exist. You see, when the wheels of commerce run, other jobs are created. Here's your situation:

A Mexican kid comes along and takes a job at $20 an hour. He APPLIED for the job. You didn't find it because you're on the Internet bitching. The Mexican guy has kids and an apartment (bills and responsibilities.) Those of you bitching live in mommy's basement or your old bedroom of when you were 12. You don't pay rent; on average most of you don't have an education, no job skills, no driver's license, and no work ethic. All you have are tattoos, body piercings, a criminal record, an addiction to cigarettes and alcohol along with addictions to pot and possibly hard core drugs.

You want the right to be like that? I fully support it. But, if you live an irresponsible lifestyle, YOU pay for it. Don't expect the employer to. If you don't have your own house, YOU are fucking the rest of the taxpayers. Property taxes are just as high, if not higher, than the income tax you FALSELY accuse the foreigners of not paying. If you're living rent free with mommy (or if you're a parent with deadbeat kids), then YOU are the problem. In all honesty I'd love to hire a staff of all white males. The problem is most of them fit that previous paragraph and nobody should be forced to hire them?

Guys, I'm not losing what I have because some of you are too stupid to be able to compete against uneducated third worlders. If you run big businesses out over who they hire, they will move to another country. Then you get NOTHING... and if you're sitting on your ass playing video games, visiting sites on social media, smoking weed, worrying about your next body piercing or tattoo while living in your parents home, YOU ARE THE PROBLEM. If you're a parent letting your kids live at home, YOU ARE THE PROBLEM. Fix your culture, vote with your wallet and pocket book. Boycott places that hire and / or cater to those you find offensive. Quit thinking that you can build a government big enough to save your from your own stupidity. In any event, get off the employers ass. There is not a swinging dick on the face of the earth that is going to tell me who I can and cannot hire. All this big government B.S. is over.

This is absurd. I wouldn't even know where to begin.

I just wish all of Trump's blue collar supporters could hear what you just said about them. They are deplorable. I agree.

And you think you should be legally allowed to hire people who are here in the country illegally? Sorry but your country disagrees with you. What you are is an illegal employer and you should have your business taken away from you.

GO TO ANOTHER COUNTRY! By all means fucking leave. Lets see you succeed in any other country besides the USA you fucking asshole.

Maybe you need to pay an American wage. Maybe that's why you can't find anyone good to come work for you.

Oh, and the arguments you are making would actually be good arguments in a good economy when wages are up but Trump said he was going to kick illegals out and build a wall in order to raise wages for blue collar workers. We all know wages go down when the market is flooded with workers. So right now we have really low unemployment numbers. So then why the fuck is Trump still talking about illegals? I'll tell you why. Because it wins over the racist vote. You got to make someone else the bad guy. It's not the corporations who want to keep workers wages down. It's either the workers fault or the illegals.

This reminds me of the GOP arguments that you guys made when Bush was in office. Meanwhile the rich got richer moving their operations to other countries. LEAVE! If you can make more somewhere else you'd already be gone you fucking traitor.

You should lose your business and go to jail.

Rockwell is very far out there. I doubt he is a Trump supporter. If he is, considering his disagreement with the concept of immigration law, his reasoning is probably pretty muddled.

I supported Trump and voted for him. But, I will not do so again. He lied about gun control and he is the most anti-gun president in the history of the United States.

We all know, whether you admit it on a board or not, that most of Trump's anti-immigrant bullshit won't pass muster in the United States Supreme Court. But, he can sit back after his tenure as president and tell you he went to bat for you. How can his supporters be this fucking stupid is the only question I have?

Let me see, you toss out 1 million Hispanic daddies with an average of 3 American born children. They stay, his kids go on welfare. Which way is costing you more?

So, let's say you deport them too... you can't deport an American, but I'll play along with your fantasies. In a few years, those kids show up with the National ID card, Socialist Surveillance Number... ooops "Social Security Number" and birth certificate. You can't lock them out; they're Americans! They have no job skills, no education, no family support system, and can't even speak the English language. What is your master plan for dealing with them.

Once here, if you think you can keep families separated, you're a fucking retard no matter what you say about me. When the question comes up in the United States Supreme Court, I will bet you everything I own (down to the shirt on my back and my credit score exceeds 800 so you know I have something in my pants besides my penis) that the high Court will allow those erroneously called "illegals" to come back to the U.S.

The only group who can end the numbers of people coming here from foreign countries are those who gain control over their destiny and quit worrying about what Uncle Scam will do about it. Whatever the feds give you, they will want something in return. Why ask somebody to do something about your situation when YOU are the person most likely to be able to help yourself?

Yes, the crony court will let the illegals in. It will make Correll think they are liberal but the reality is the corporations want these illegals flooding the job market. But Correll will blame the "liberal" media and "liberal" supreme court.

This is how the rich are fucking America over and getting away with it. They caused the Great Recession in 2008 and convinced guys like Correll that it was liberals that done it. Well, now he knows he's being duped. Maybe now he will realize he signed up for Trump University when he voted for Trump.

I've repeatedly agreed that the GOP share quite a bit of the responsibility for the immigration problems in this country.


That being said, Trump was the candidate most credible in offering a change to the status quo.


Who should we have supported instead of him, that would have given US anything better?

Based on the facts, not Trump's rhetoric, you should have voted for Hillary

https://www.washingtonpost.com/busi...y-trump-administration-charges-few-companies/

The Trump administration has eagerly pursued arrests of undocumented immigrants over the last two years, but the administration appears to have been far less aggressive in going after corporations involved in those cases.

Prosecuting corporations, as opposed to individual workers or managers, for immigration-related offenses was also relatively rare during the Obama administration, but it has slowed further under the Trump administration, according to a database maintained by Duke University and the University of Virginia and data reviewed by The Washington Post.

"Between 1999 and 2003, work-site enforcement operations were scaled back 95 percent by the Immigration and Naturalization Service, which subsequently was merged into the Homeland Security Department. The number of employers prosecuted for unlawfully employing immigrants dropped from 182 in 1999 to four in 2003, and fines collected declined from $3.6 million to $212,000, according to federal statistics.

"In 1999, the United States initiated fines against 417 companies. In 2004, it issued fine notices to three."

 

[pknopp]

Republicans like to blame bleeding heart liberals for illegal immigration. But the fact is, if people weren't hiring them, they'd go home. Who's hiring them? Small business owners? Aren't they typically Republicans?

Here are three great articles on the subject:

ThomHartmann.com - Today's Immigration Battle Corporatists vs. Racists (and Labor is Left Behind)

ThomHartmann.com - Illegal Workers: the Con's Secret Weapon


ThomHartmann.com - Reclaiming the Issues: "It's an Illegal Employer Problem"

Having looked this thread over carefully, it is painfully obvious that no matter how much is said, the right seems to be stuck on stupid on this issue. Is there any way that people can be objective here?

NOBODY can show me any sentence in the United States Constitution that gives Congress the authority to limit the liberty of foreigners. So, when I have work to do and advertise for people to come out, I'm going to hire the best qualified person at the price I can afford to pay (usually $20 to $40 an hour for basic handyman work.)

If you want the job, you have to get your ass off the Internet, forego social media, hang up your cell phone for a few hours and look for a job, then work it. Those of us in business and those with a home to keep running aren't going to lose what we have just because some of you think we owe you a damn job. Employers create the job; they own the job; constitutionally speaking we can give them to whomever we damn well please.

We got into this clusterphuck of a situation because years ago the blacks demanded that they be given the jobs. Now you want them because you're born in the United States. I can't hire people that don't apply; can't afford to pay you if you don't work. Passing laws just costs you extra taxes.

If you could succeed at closing me down, NO jobs would exist. You see, when the wheels of commerce run, other jobs are created. Here's your situation:

A Mexican kid comes along and takes a job at $20 an hour. He APPLIED for the job. You didn't find it because you're on the Internet bitching. The Mexican guy has kids and an apartment (bills and responsibilities.) Those of you bitching live in mommy's basement or your old bedroom of when you were 12. You don't pay rent; on average most of you don't have an education, no job skills, no driver's license, and no work ethic. All you have are tattoos, body piercings, a criminal record, an addiction to cigarettes and alcohol along with addictions to pot and possibly hard core drugs.

You want the right to be like that? I fully support it. But, if you live an irresponsible lifestyle, YOU pay for it. Don't expect the employer to. If you don't have your own house, YOU are fucking the rest of the taxpayers. Property taxes are just as high, if not higher, than the income tax you FALSELY accuse the foreigners of not paying. If you're living rent free with mommy (or if you're a parent with deadbeat kids), then YOU are the problem. In all honesty I'd love to hire a staff of all white males. The problem is most of them fit that previous paragraph and nobody should be forced to hire them.

Guys, I'm not losing what I have because some of you are too stupid to be able to compete against uneducated third worlders. If you run big businesses out over who they hire, they will move to another country. Then you get NOTHING... and if you're sitting on your ass playing video games, visiting sites on social media, smoking weed, worrying about your next body piercing or tattoo while living in your parents home, YOU ARE THE PROBLEM. If you're a parent letting your kids live at home, YOU ARE THE PROBLEM. Fix your culture, vote with your wallet and pocket book. Boycott places that hire and / or cater to those you find offensive. Quit thinking that you can build a government big enough to save your from your own stupidity. In any event, get off the employers ass. There is not a swinging dick on the face of the earth that is going to tell me who I can and cannot hire. All this big government B.S. is over.

This is absurd. I wouldn't even know where to begin.

I just wish all of Trump's blue collar supporters could hear what you just said about them. They are deplorable. I agree.

And you think you should be legally allowed to hire people who are here in the country illegally? Sorry but your country disagrees with you. What you are is an illegal employer and you should have your business taken away from you.

GO TO ANOTHER COUNTRY! By all means fucking leave. Lets see you succeed in any other country besides the USA you fucking asshole.

Maybe you need to pay an American wage. Maybe that's why you can't find anyone good to come work for you.

Oh, and the arguments you are making would actually be good arguments in a good economy when wages are up but Trump said he was going to kick illegals out and build a wall in order to raise wages for blue collar workers. We all know wages go down when the market is flooded with workers. So right now we have really low unemployment numbers. So then why the fuck is Trump still talking about illegals? I'll tell you why. Because it wins over the racist vote. You got to make someone else the bad guy. It's not the corporations who want to keep workers wages down. It's either the workers fault or the illegals.

This reminds me of the GOP arguments that you guys made when Bush was in office. Meanwhile the rich got richer moving their operations to other countries. LEAVE! If you can make more somewhere else you'd already be gone you fucking traitor.

You should lose your business and go to jail.

I'm sorry, but the country does NOT disagree with me. We're all adults here, son. So, let's be honest. If a majority of people picked the president, they chose Hitlery Clinton. She got the most votes. So, you're wrong on that count.

On the second count, the United States Supreme Court has opined that NO ONE is obligated to obey an unconstitutional act. That is THEIR logic, not mine.

Now then, the only authority the federal government has over foreigners is "Congress shall have the power ...To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization" (Article 1 Section 8 of the Constitution) which they did only months after the ratification of the United States Constitution. In that law, it provided that:

"Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America, in Congress assembled, That any Alien being a free white person, who shall have resided within the limits and under the jurisdiction of the United States for the term of two years, may be admitted to become a citizen thereof..."

United States Congress, “An act to establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization” (March 26, 1790)

Despite this fact, foreigners came here to work and do business for EIGHTY FIVE YEARS before the United States Supreme Court stepped in and granted "plenary powers" to the federal government for everything related to foreigners in about 1875 - 1876.

I will give you $10,000 (TEN THOUSAND DOLLARS) in cash to cite one sentence from the Constitution wherein the framers gave the United States Supreme Court to grant to any other branch of government ANY power, much less plenary powers. The United States Supreme Court legislated from the bench. And you won't have the ethical wherewithal to admit that the high Court legislated from the bench which disrespects the Rule of Law. You Trumpsters preach about it, but sure as Hell don't want to live by it. Hypocrites, every one of you!

Adding insult to injury, Congress ILLEGALLY passed the 14th Amendment that you probably think is valid. If not for that Amendment, you wouldn't have all those brown babies born in the U.S. you'd like to call a racist name, but cowardly chose "anchor babies," and that pretext proved to be false as parents are being deported and you're being left to pay welfare for their American born children.

To give you the coup de grace, the 14th Amendment gave foreigners (regardless of any liberal immigration status the Democrats thought up for you) the government right of liberty (sic.) While doing that they NULLIFIED the Bill of Rights. This link will explain it to you:

Stolen Rights

If I get shut down, the government will raise taxes somewhere to compensate for the loss. And you'll pay them. You can't win. You're on the wrong side of the argument (you're actually arguing in favor of socialism) and you're on the wrong side of history. That above link will help you a lot.

OK, I'm curious (though I do not know why) how was the 14th passed illegally?

I don't know but it can easily be amended again.

Let me give you an example. In Missouri they are an open carry state. In other words, you can carry your gun around with you as long as it's in plane sight.

Man charged with making terrorist threat for walking into Missouri Walmart with rifle, body armor

But not anymore. Why? Because people are taking their guns into walmart and shooting people. So, the laws have to change.

Your slick arguments mean nothing to me. Common sense matters to me most.

Does anyone here on USMB agree with your position that illegal immigrants have rights? I mean I know they have SOME rights but even those we can change if they are using those RIGHTS to fuck with our system.

"I disagree with you but I agree with you"

How in the world do I reply to that?

 

[Correll]

This is absurd. I wouldn't even know where to begin.

I just wish all of Trump's blue collar supporters could hear what you just said about them. They are deplorable. I agree.

And you think you should be legally allowed to hire people who are here in the country illegally? Sorry but your country disagrees with you. What you are is an illegal employer and you should have your business taken away from you.

GO TO ANOTHER COUNTRY! By all means fucking leave. Lets see you succeed in any other country besides the USA you fucking asshole.

Maybe you need to pay an American wage. Maybe that's why you can't find anyone good to come work for you.

Oh, and the arguments you are making would actually be good arguments in a good economy when wages are up but Trump said he was going to kick illegals out and build a wall in order to raise wages for blue collar workers. We all know wages go down when the market is flooded with workers. So right now we have really low unemployment numbers. So then why the fuck is Trump still talking about illegals? I'll tell you why. Because it wins over the racist vote. You got to make someone else the bad guy. It's not the corporations who want to keep workers wages down. It's either the workers fault or the illegals.

This reminds me of the GOP arguments that you guys made when Bush was in office. Meanwhile the rich got richer moving their operations to other countries. LEAVE! If you can make more somewhere else you'd already be gone you fucking traitor.

You should lose your business and go to jail.

Rockwell is very far out there. I doubt he is a Trump supporter. If he is, considering his disagreement with the concept of immigration law, his reasoning is probably pretty muddled.

I supported Trump and voted for him. But, I will not do so again. He lied about gun control and he is the most anti-gun president in the history of the United States.

We all know, whether you admit it on a board or not, that most of Trump's anti-immigrant bullshit won't pass muster in the United States Supreme Court. But, he can sit back after his tenure as president and tell you he went to bat for you. How can his supporters be this fucking stupid is the only question I have?

Let me see, you toss out 1 million Hispanic daddies with an average of 3 American born children. They stay, his kids go on welfare. Which way is costing you more?

So, let's say you deport them too... you can't deport an American, but I'll play along with your fantasies. In a few years, those kids show up with the National ID card, Socialist Surveillance Number... ooops "Social Security Number" and birth certificate. You can't lock them out; they're Americans! They have no job skills, no education, no family support system, and can't even speak the English language. What is your master plan for dealing with them.

Once here, if you think you can keep families separated, you're a fucking retard no matter what you say about me. When the question comes up in the United States Supreme Court, I will bet you everything I own (down to the shirt on my back and my credit score exceeds 800 so you know I have something in my pants besides my penis) that the high Court will allow those erroneously called "illegals" to come back to the U.S.

The only group who can end the numbers of people coming here from foreign countries are those who gain control over their destiny and quit worrying about what Uncle Scam will do about it. Whatever the feds give you, they will want something in return. Why ask somebody to do something about your situation when YOU are the person most likely to be able to help yourself?

Yes, the crony court will let the illegals in. It will make Correll think they are liberal but the reality is the corporations want these illegals flooding the job market. But Correll will blame the "liberal" media and "liberal" supreme court.

This is how the rich are fucking America over and getting away with it. They caused the Great Recession in 2008 and convinced guys like Correll that it was liberals that done it. Well, now he knows he's being duped. Maybe now he will realize he signed up for Trump University when he voted for Trump.

I've repeatedly agreed that the GOP share quite a bit of the responsibility for the immigration problems in this country.


That being said, Trump was the candidate most credible in offering a change to the status quo.


Who should we have supported instead of him, that would have given US anything better?

Based on the facts, not Trump's rhetoric, you should have voted for Hillary

https://www.washingtonpost.com/busi...y-trump-administration-charges-few-companies/

The Trump administration has eagerly pursued arrests of undocumented immigrants over the last two years, but the administration appears to have been far less aggressive in going after corporations involved in those cases.

Prosecuting corporations, as opposed to individual workers or managers, for immigration-related offenses was also relatively rare during the Obama administration, but it has slowed further under the Trump administration, according to a database maintained by Duke University and the University of Virginia and data reviewed by The Washington Post.

"Between 1999 and 2003, work-site enforcement operations were scaled back 95 percent by the Immigration and Naturalization Service, which subsequently was merged into the Homeland Security Department. The number of employers prosecuted for unlawfully employing immigrants dropped from 182 in 1999 to four in 2003, and fines collected declined from $3.6 million to $212,000, according to federal statistics.

"In 1999, the United States initiated fines against 417 companies. In 2004, it issued fine notices to three."

Hillary wanted amnesty. That's game over for this country, in any form we recognize.

 

[sealybobo]

Having looked this thread over carefully, it is painfully obvious that no matter how much is said, the right seems to be stuck on stupid on this issue. Is there any way that people can be objective here?

NOBODY can show me any sentence in the United States Constitution that gives Congress the authority to limit the liberty of foreigners. So, when I have work to do and advertise for people to come out, I'm going to hire the best qualified person at the price I can afford to pay (usually $20 to $40 an hour for basic handyman work.)

If you want the job, you have to get your ass off the Internet, forego social media, hang up your cell phone for a few hours and look for a job, then work it. Those of us in business and those with a home to keep running aren't going to lose what we have just because some of you think we owe you a damn job. Employers create the job; they own the job; constitutionally speaking we can give them to whomever we damn well please.

We got into this clusterphuck of a situation because years ago the blacks demanded that they be given the jobs. Now you want them because you're born in the United States. I can't hire people that don't apply; can't afford to pay you if you don't work. Passing laws just costs you extra taxes.

If you could succeed at closing me down, NO jobs would exist. You see, when the wheels of commerce run, other jobs are created. Here's your situation:

A Mexican kid comes along and takes a job at $20 an hour. He APPLIED for the job. You didn't find it because you're on the Internet bitching. The Mexican guy has kids and an apartment (bills and responsibilities.) Those of you bitching live in mommy's basement or your old bedroom of when you were 12. You don't pay rent; on average most of you don't have an education, no job skills, no driver's license, and no work ethic. All you have are tattoos, body piercings, a criminal record, an addiction to cigarettes and alcohol along with addictions to pot and possibly hard core drugs.

You want the right to be like that? I fully support it. But, if you live an irresponsible lifestyle, YOU pay for it. Don't expect the employer to. If you don't have your own house, YOU are fucking the rest of the taxpayers. Property taxes are just as high, if not higher, than the income tax you FALSELY accuse the foreigners of not paying. If you're living rent free with mommy (or if you're a parent with deadbeat kids), then YOU are the problem. In all honesty I'd love to hire a staff of all white males. The problem is most of them fit that previous paragraph and nobody should be forced to hire them?

Guys, I'm not losing what I have because some of you are too stupid to be able to compete against uneducated third worlders. If you run big businesses out over who they hire, they will move to another country. Then you get NOTHING... and if you're sitting on your ass playing video games, visiting sites on social media, smoking weed, worrying about your next body piercing or tattoo while living in your parents home, YOU ARE THE PROBLEM. If you're a parent letting your kids live at home, YOU ARE THE PROBLEM. Fix your culture, vote with your wallet and pocket book. Boycott places that hire and / or cater to those you find offensive. Quit thinking that you can build a government big enough to save your from your own stupidity. In any event, get off the employers ass. There is not a swinging dick on the face of the earth that is going to tell me who I can and cannot hire. All this big government B.S. is over.

This is absurd. I wouldn't even know where to begin.

I just wish all of Trump's blue collar supporters could hear what you just said about them. They are deplorable. I agree.

And you think you should be legally allowed to hire people who are here in the country illegally? Sorry but your country disagrees with you. What you are is an illegal employer and you should have your business taken away from you.

GO TO ANOTHER COUNTRY! By all means fucking leave. Lets see you succeed in any other country besides the USA you fucking asshole.

Maybe you need to pay an American wage. Maybe that's why you can't find anyone good to come work for you.

Oh, and the arguments you are making would actually be good arguments in a good economy when wages are up but Trump said he was going to kick illegals out and build a wall in order to raise wages for blue collar workers. We all know wages go down when the market is flooded with workers. So right now we have really low unemployment numbers. So then why the fuck is Trump still talking about illegals? I'll tell you why. Because it wins over the racist vote. You got to make someone else the bad guy. It's not the corporations who want to keep workers wages down. It's either the workers fault or the illegals.

This reminds me of the GOP arguments that you guys made when Bush was in office. Meanwhile the rich got richer moving their operations to other countries. LEAVE! If you can make more somewhere else you'd already be gone you fucking traitor.

You should lose your business and go to jail.

Rockwell is very far out there. I doubt he is a Trump supporter. If he is, considering his disagreement with the concept of immigration law, his reasoning is probably pretty muddled.

I supported Trump and voted for him. But, I will not do so again. He lied about gun control and he is the most anti-gun president in the history of the United States.

We all know, whether you admit it on a board or not, that most of Trump's anti-immigrant bullshit won't pass muster in the United States Supreme Court. But, he can sit back after his tenure as president and tell you he went to bat for you. How can his supporters be this fucking stupid is the only question I have?

Let me see, you toss out 1 million Hispanic daddies with an average of 3 American born children. They stay, his kids go on welfare. Which way is costing you more?

So, let's say you deport them too... you can't deport an American, but I'll play along with your fantasies. In a few years, those kids show up with the National ID card, Socialist Surveillance Number... ooops "Social Security Number" and birth certificate. You can't lock them out; they're Americans! They have no job skills, no education, no family support system, and can't even speak the English language. What is your master plan for dealing with them.

Once here, if you think you can keep families separated, you're a fucking retard no matter what you say about me. When the question comes up in the United States Supreme Court, I will bet you everything I own (down to the shirt on my back and my credit score exceeds 800 so you know I have something in my pants besides my penis) that the high Court will allow those erroneously called "illegals" to come back to the U.S.

The only group who can end the numbers of people coming here from foreign countries are those who gain control over their destiny and quit worrying about what Uncle Scam will do about it. Whatever the feds give you, they will want something in return. Why ask somebody to do something about your situation when YOU are the person most likely to be able to help yourself?

Yes, the crony court will let the illegals in. It will make Correll think they are liberal but the reality is the corporations want these illegals flooding the job market. But Correll will blame the "liberal" media and "liberal" supreme court.

This is how the rich are fucking America over and getting away with it. They caused the Great Recession in 2008 and convinced guys like Correll that it was liberals that done it. Well, now he knows he's being duped. Maybe now he will realize he signed up for Trump University when he voted for Trump.

I've repeatedly agreed that the GOP share quite a bit of the responsibility for the immigration problems in this country.


That being said, Trump was the candidate most credible in offering a change to the status quo.


Who should we have supported instead of him, that would have given US anything better?

Trump is talking a good game I know why you fell for it. I'm just telling you that his talk is all bullshit. And if you do stop illegal immigration they will just open the doors and flood the market with legal immigrants. And they will convince you we need them. Do you want your social security? We need more workers paying in. Do you want 4% growth? We need more bodies.

I won't agree with them I'll agree with you. But still they will spin it in a way you will somehow blame me and not them. It's illegal employers who are your problem and too many of them are just like this Rockwell character.

I am glad to see you are frustrated talking to a right wing nut job who can argue that shit doesn't stink. And we are helpless in trying to stop illegals from working at his company. Why? Because it's unconstitutional to stop him.

I'm glad you are finally seeing conservative spin on what is and isn't constitutional. Stop being a fool thinking the GOP cares about workers. Trump could have run as a conservative Democrat but he chose to run as a liberal sounding Republican. I ain't buying it either way. Either way his tax breaks were going to heavily favor the rich. And his immigration policies aren't fixing anything because all the illegals who were here before he got here are still here. The only way to send them packing is if they can't find jobs. Bye