If this isn't collusion what would you call it?

[Polishprince]

So? It's not a crime for stone to talk to people

Can you even hear yourself? If Stone was in communication with Wikileaks and telling the Trump campaign about the content and timing of their document dumps that's the ballgame for Big Fat Don.

Why do you think Trump and Barr are working so hard to spin a false narrative about the whole matter?

Roger Stone wasn't convicted of any of that at all.

Accusations against Stone, or anyone else, is easy, you need actual proof.

 

[Oddball]

There was no hack, dumbfuck....The data transfer speeds show that the info couldn't have gone out over the internet...It was an inside job.

That's nutbag horseshit. Stuff you fools are up to your eyebrows in. You better keep throwing crap on the walls or you will drown in it.

That's also a matter of public record, from CrowdStrike.

You really don't know your ass from a hot rock, do ya?

 

[Andylusion]

"A significant recent revelation in the Russia investigation has been largely overlooked in the rush of several breaking news stories over the past few days. A nugget of information is contained in the memo written by Democrats on the House Intelligence Committee (the so-called Schiff Memo), which was released on Saturday morning.

Prior to the memo, we knew that a Russian agent told Trump campaign adviser George Papadopoulos of “Moscow possessing ‘dirt’” on Hillary Clinton “in the form of ‘thousands of emails,’” according to Papadopoulos’s plea statement. The memo went a legally significant step further. As Rep. Adam Schiff recently told Chris Hayes, “our memo discloses for the first time that the Russians preview to Papadopoulos that they could help with disseminating these stolen emails.” Rep. Schiff added, “When Donald Trump openly called on the Russians to hack Hillary Clinton’s emails, they’d be richly rewarded if they released these to the press, his campaign had already been put on notice that the Russians were prepared to do just that and disseminate these stolen emails.” (The full transcript and video clip is below.)"

Russia "Previewed" Plan to Disseminate Emails with Trump Campaign - Just Security

Goodman analyzes Schiff’s revelation that Russia gave preview to Trump campaign that the Kremlin could help disseminate stolen emails. Then he addresses the legally important question of what the Trump campaign did afterwards, which helps explain why Mueller’s team is asking former campaign...

www.justsecurity.org

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Do we know all there is to know about the extent to which the Trump campaign was notified of, or involved in, the timing of Wikileaks' release of the hacked info given to them by the Russians? No.

Why is that? Most importantly, because Roger Stone was one of the Trump associates who either lied to or withheld truthful info from Mueller. He was the campaign's point man with respect to contacts with Wikileaks.

Trump campaign associates ‘materially impaired’ investigation by lying, Mueller says

Special counsel Robert Mueller’s final report about the investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 election said Trump campaign associates “materially impaired” the inves…

thehill.com

Trump talked to Roger Stone about WikiLeaks, Rick Gates says in testimony contradicting the president

Trump had told special counsel Robert Mueller last November in a written response, "I do not recall discussing WikiLeaks with" Roger Stone.

www.cnbc.com

This tired failure of an attack again?

Look, they had their shot at making a case. They failed. The key guy Schiff, is a known serial liar.

They played the game, fabricated their argument, and they lost.

I don't care what Schiff says. I don't care what made up evidence you have now. This game is over.

Trump: 1
Left-wing loonies and their made up claims: 0

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Phishing scams aren't a hack, numbnutz.

The result was the same. E-mails were stolen from Podesta and used in Russia's efforts to smear Hillary for Trump's benefit.............numbnuts.

E-mails were stolen from Podesta and used in Russia's efforts to smear Hillary for Trump's benefit

Awful! Just terrible!!!

Bad Russians!!!!!

Dem and Hillary corruption must never be exposed.
Dem and Hillary corruption must always remain hidden.

It's a law.....or something.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

So? It's not a crime for stone to talk to people

Can you even hear yourself? If Stone was in communication with Wikileaks and telling the Trump campaign about the content and timing of their document dumps that's the ballgame for Big Fat Don.

Why do you think Trump and Barr are working so hard to spin a false narrative about the whole matter?

If Stone was in communication with Wikileaks and telling the Trump campaign about the content and timing of their document dumps that's the ballgame for Big Fat Don.

Why? Be specific.

 

[berg80]

Because the FBI thought they had it in the bag for Hillary already and didn't think it was necessary.

Did "they having it in the bag" for Hillary include Comey's off the rails announcement about their not being any evidence of a crime to charge Hillary with...........when he broke with DOJ protocols by editorializing with his comments about her conduct? Or this?

"The impact of Comey’s letter is comparatively easy to quantify, by contrast. At a maximum, it might have shifted the race by 3 or 4 percentage points toward Donald Trump, swinging Michigan, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin and Florida to him, perhaps along with North Carolina and Arizona. At a minimum, its impact might have been only a percentage point or so. Still, because Clinton lost Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin by less than 1 point, the letter was probably enough to change the outcome of the Electoral College."

The Comey Letter Probably Cost Clinton The Election

 

[Billiejeens]

Literally none of that is true in the real world.

Your willful ignorance is a threat to our democracy.

Also not true

 

[berg80]

If Stone was in communication with Wikileaks and telling the Trump campaign about the content and timing of their document dumps that's the ballgame for Big Fat Don.

Why? Be specific.

Okay. It's a proven fact that the Russians stole the documents that most damaged Clinton's campaign and helped Trump's. And it's a proven fact Russia gave the stolen material to Wikileaks for dissemination.
If what the government suspected was true (but was not able to prove due to Stone's lack of cooperation) and Stone was in contact with Wikileaks regarding the timing, content, or both of Wikileaks' document dumps it would prove the technically legal charge of conspiracy Mueller said he failed to prove. Because Stone, according to Gates, was relaying that info to Trump.
Mueller still would not have indicted Trump because he felt restricted by the OLC prohibition on indicting a sitting prez. But even so, the House would have impeached Trump for conspiracy with Wikileaks, Russia's surrogate for disseminating the info. Stone would presumably be compelled to testify even though I'm sure Trump would have tried to illegally block his testimony as he did with witnesses in the actual impeachment proceeding regarding Ukraine.

 

[Billiejeens]

We are proud of our work and will remain focused on our mission of protecting our customers around the world from dangerous cyber threats.We are grateful that the media has debunked false claims about our work for the Democratic National Committee (DNC) in 2016:

• The Washington Post, The Russians manipulated our elections. We helped.
  • An opinion piece by David Ignatius discussing the lessons from Thomas Rid’s new book, making the case that the 2016 election meddling was a proven example of Russia’s disinformation tenet.
• The New York Times, Republican-Led Review Backs Intelligence Findings on Russian Interference:
  • A three-year review by the Republican-led Senate Intelligence Committee unanimously found that the intelligence community assessment stating that Russia breached the DNC was fundamentally sound and untainted by politics.
• NBC News, Meet the Press 12/29/19:
  • Clint Watts and Chuck Todd discuss CrowdStrike and the conspiracy theory that has been debunked.
  • Transcript here: Meet the Press - December 29, 2019
• The Washington Post, In call to Ukraine’s president, Trump revived a favorite conspiracy theory about the DNC hack:
  • Discusses the CrowdStrike conspiracy theory and how it has been debunked.
• CNN Business, What is CrowdStrike and why is it part of the Trump whistleblower complaint?:
  • Gives background on CrowdStrike and debunks the conspiracy theory
• Wired, How Trump’s Ukraine Mess Entangled CrowdStrike:
  • Discusses the CrowdStrike theory and debunks the idea that there is a missing server.
• NBC News, Debunking The Crowdstrike Conspiracy Theory
  • Discusses the CrowdStrike theory and how it has been debunked.
• The Daily Beast, The Truth About Trump’s Insane Ukraine ‘Server’ Conspiracy:
  • Describes why Trump’s theories about Ukraine and CrowdStrike have been debunked.
• CNN, “Don’t miss the totally debunked conspiracy theory Donald Trump pushed in the Ukraine call”
  • Discusses the conspiracy theory and how it has been debunked.

MUELLER: NO TRUMP/RUSSIA COLLUSION.

Even more -

No American /Russia Collusion

 

[Billiejeens]

If Stone was in communication with Wikileaks and telling the Trump campaign about the content and timing of their document dumps that's the ballgame for Big Fat Don.

Why? Be specific.

Okay. It's a proven fact that the Russians stole the documents that most damaged Clinton's campaign and helped Trump's. And it's a proven fact Russia gave the stolen material to Wikileaks for dissemination.
If what the government suspected was true (but was not able to prove due to Stone's lack of cooperation) and Stone was in contact with Wikileaks regarding the timing, content, or both of Wikileaks' document dumps it would prove the technically legal charge of conspiracy Mueller said he failed to prove. Because Stone, according to Gates, was relaying that info to Trump.
Mueller still would not have indicted Trump because he felt restricted by the OLC prohibition on indicting a sitting prez. But even so, the House would have impeached Trump for conspiracy with Wikileaks, Russia's surrogate for disseminating the info. Stone would presumably be compelled to testify even though I'm sure Trump would have tried to illegally block his testimony as he did with witnesses in the actual impeachment proceeding regarding Ukraine.

Hard stop at your first sentence -

No, it is not.

 

[berg80]

Because that's illegal, and they thought Hillary was going to win.

If they thought Hillary was going to win then it takes away the conspiracy nut theory that the FBI investigated in order to sabotage Trump. If they didn't think Trump would win why investigate if the goal was sabotage? And if they thought Trump had a chance to win, and the goal was sabotage, they would have secretly leaked the story of the investigation.

 

[berg80]

Because that's illegal, and they thought Hillary was going to win.

If they thought Hillary was going to win then it takes away the conspiracy nut theory that the FBI investigated in order to sabotage Trump. If they didn't think Trump would win why investigate if the goal was sabotage? And if they thought Trump had a chance to win, and the goal was sabotage, they would have secretly leaked the story of the investigation.

The simple fact is, as IG Horowitz stated in his report, Crossfire Hurricane was not initiated due to political bias.

Oh..........wait..............Horowitz must also be part of the worldwide conspiracy against Trump, right?

 

[Billiejeens]

The testimony of the CrowdStrike President, before their corrupt demigod Adam Schitt, was that there was no evidence of a hack.

That has become one of the go-to lies of Trumpleheads. It is factually inaccurate.

Our Work with the DNC: Setting the record straight

Get the key facts about CrowdStrike's work with the Democratic Natiional Committee in 2016 and debunk the false claims that have been made about our work.

www.crowdstrike.com

What type of a fucking retard Believes crowdstrike sales literature over sworn testimony

You are either 100% toll or the dumbest fuck on the planet.
Or both.

 

[Billiejeens]

No

Because that's illegal, and they thought Hillary was going to win.

If they thought Hillary was going to win then it takes away the conspiracy nut theory that the FBI investigated in order to sabotage Trump. If they didn't think Trump would win why investigate if the goal was sabotage? And if they thought Trump had a chance to win, and the goal was sabotage, they would have secretly leaked the story of the investigation.

The simple fact is, as IG Horowitz stated in his report, Crossfire Hurricane was not initiated due to political bias.

Oh..........wait..............Horowitz must also be part of the worldwide conspiracy against Trump, right?

Not what he said.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

If Stone was in communication with Wikileaks and telling the Trump campaign about the content and timing of their document dumps that's the ballgame for Big Fat Don.

Why? Be specific.

Okay. It's a proven fact that the Russians stole the documents that most damaged Clinton's campaign and helped Trump's. And it's a proven fact Russia gave the stolen material to Wikileaks for dissemination.
If what the government suspected was true (but was not able to prove due to Stone's lack of cooperation) and Stone was in contact with Wikileaks regarding the timing, content, or both of Wikileaks' document dumps it would prove the technically legal charge of conspiracy Mueller said he failed to prove. Because Stone, according to Gates, was relaying that info to Trump.
Mueller still would not have indicted Trump because he felt restricted by the OLC prohibition on indicting a sitting prez. But even so, the House would have impeached Trump for conspiracy with Wikileaks, Russia's surrogate for disseminating the info. Stone would presumably be compelled to testify even though I'm sure Trump would have tried to illegally block his testimony as he did with witnesses in the actual impeachment proceeding regarding Ukraine.

And it's a proven fact Russia gave the stolen material to Wikileaks for dissemination.

What if stolen material is given to the New York Times for dissemination?
Is that better or worse than Wikileaks?

Stone was in contact with Wikileaks regarding the timing, content, or both of Wikileaks' document dumps

Is it illegal for Stone, or anyone, to be in contact with Wikileaks?

it would prove the technically legal charge of conspiracy Mueller said he failed to prove.

Conspiracy to do what?

Because Stone, according to Gates, was relaying that info to Trump.

Is there a law against Stone relaying info to Trump?

Mueller still would not have indicted Trump

For the crime of.....getting info from Stone? Is that indictable? Link?

 

[Oddball]

Because the FBI thought they had it in the bag for Hillary already and didn't think it was necessary.

Did "they having it in the bag" for Hillary include Comey's off the rails announcement about their not being any evidence of a crime to charge Hillary with...........when he broke with DOJ protocols by editorializing with his comments about her conduct? Or this?

"The impact of Comey’s letter is comparatively easy to quantify, by contrast. At a maximum, it might have shifted the race by 3 or 4 percentage points toward Donald Trump, swinging Michigan, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin and Florida to him, perhaps along with North Carolina and Arizona. At a minimum, its impact might have been only a percentage point or so. Still, because Clinton lost Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin by less than 1 point, the letter was probably enough to change the outcome of the Electoral College."

The Comey Letter Probably Cost Clinton The Election

Nate Silver, trying to shift the blame that HE WAS WROOOOOOOONG to the feet of Comey!

TFF!

 

[berg80]

Phishing scams aren't a hack, numbnutz.

The result was the same. E-mails were stolen from Podesta and used in Russia's efforts to smear Hillary for Trump's benefit.............numbnuts.

E-mails were stolen from Podesta and used in Russia's efforts to smear Hillary for Trump's benefit

Awful! Just terrible!!!

Bad Russians!!!!!

Dem and Hillary corruption must never be exposed.
Dem and Hillary corruption must always remain hidden.

It's a law.....or something.

Once again a cultist rationalizes Russia's illegal interference in the election.............and trump eager solicitation of the help it was to him. It's traitorous, but what do the cultists care?

 

[berg80]

Stone was in contact with Wikileaks regarding the timing, content, or both of Wikileaks' document dumps

Is it illegal for Stone, or anyone, to be in contact with Wikileaks?

No. But it's illegal for Stone to be a middleman, coordinating the issuance of stolen info between Wikileaks and the campaign.

Russia "Previewed" Plan to Disseminate Emails with Trump Campaign - Just Security

Goodman analyzes Schiff’s revelation that Russia gave preview to Trump campaign that the Kremlin could help disseminate stolen emails. Then he addresses the legally important question of what the Trump campaign did afterwards, which helps explain why Mueller’s team is asking former campaign...

www.justsecurity.org

 

[Oddball]

Phishing scams aren't a hack, numbnutz.

The result was the same. E-mails were stolen from Podesta and used in Russia's efforts to smear Hillary for Trump's benefit.............numbnuts.

E-mails were stolen from Podesta and used in Russia's efforts to smear Hillary for Trump's benefit

Awful! Just terrible!!!

Bad Russians!!!!!

Dem and Hillary corruption must never be exposed.
Dem and Hillary corruption must always remain hidden.

It's a law.....or something.

Once again a cultist rationalizes Russia's illegal interference in the election.............and trump eager solicitation of the help it was to him. It's traitorous, but what do the cultists care?

 

[berg80]

Phishing scams aren't a hack, numbnutz.

The result was the same. E-mails were stolen from Podesta and used in Russia's efforts to smear Hillary for Trump's benefit.............numbnuts.

E-mails were stolen from Podesta and used in Russia's efforts to smear Hillary for Trump's benefit

Awful! Just terrible!!!

Bad Russians!!!!!

Dem and Hillary corruption must never be exposed.
Dem and Hillary corruption must always remain hidden.

It's a law.....or something.

Once again a cultist rationalizes Russia's illegal interference in the election.............and trump eager solicitation of the help it was to him. It's traitorous, but what do the cultists care?

Nice selfie.