If the Republican Party were a normal party...

[Neotrotsky]

Funnier is watching the Left out FIST each other

TEABAGGERS vs. FISTERS: The Debate Is Over

 

[The Rabbi]

The GOP is the epitome of conformity, and if they don't conform, they will be ostracized, then exorcized.

The party that strongly considered a 'Purity Test' that Ronald Reagan would fail.

Educate yourself on Grover Norquist...a RADICAL, not a conservative.


Democrats never agree on anything, that's why they're Democrats. If they agreed with each other, they would be Republicans.
Will Rogers

Democrats never agree on anything? Except money and bribes buy votes, enter Ocare.

Republicans on the otherhand are holding their leaders feet to the fire rather than conforming to his deal with O.

It is very frustrating to read comments such as you post. There is a reason for "Ocare" which was an effort to reform a broken healthcare system. Not broken in the sense actual care was poor, broken in the sense that is was too expensive & in too many cases cost familes everything they worked for over a lifetime; it also failed to cover all Americans.

The arguments you seem to accept and the opinions you hold are bought and paid for by the special interests which profit from the current system, at the expense of our fellow citizens.

Democrats argue about process and expediency, they agree on one immutable truth: The Golden Rule.

Callous conservatives which dominate the GOP today reject this rule and as we have seen put profit over people as a matter of principle.

Yes Ocare fixed the health care system by making it more expensive and cumbersome. Dems care about process. Thus the Louisiana Purchase and the Cornhusker Kickback.
They agree on the Golden Rule: The One With The Gold Makes The Rules.

The GOP is fighting back, finally, against fictions like the OP. Obama promised someone else would cut spending about 10 years down the road. In exchange he would get trillions in new revenue to funnel to constututents. That is a suckers bet and I am glad as hell that Speaker Boehner and the GOP turned it down rather than look like "statesmen" to the mainstream mess.

 

[Dot Com]

Why isn't Boehner leading? He's kow-towing to the T-Party/wing-nut base. Sad that.

 

[Anachronism]

Yes, if the Republicans were a normal party they would simply drag their linguini-spined selves into some meeting with the Democrats and the President and cut a deal; because that's what Politicians and Political Parties do. No, it would appear that maybe for one small moment in time the Republican Party has been taken over by Idealogues. Idealogues actually believe in something and are willing to stand up for it. They're willing to bleed and die for that ideology. You know, the same sort of things this country's founders did.

Politics is the ultimate game of "chicken". Who will blink first. Well, this time around it seems that one side is dead-set not to blink, even if it means ending up in a fiery crash. Good for them. It's about flippin time someone in Washington, DC actually stood for something.

Personally, I think the Republicans will falter at the last moment. At some point later this week they'll give in and cut a deal. When they do they will simply become the SECOND major political party in this country whose candidates I wouldn't vote for with a gun at my head.

 

[The Rabbi]

Why isn't Boehner leading? He's kow-towing to the T-Party/wing-nut base. Sad that.

He is. He walked out of a fruitless meeting with Obama and announced he would work with the Senate instead.
If that isn't leading, I dont know what is.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

The republican party created this mess themselves.

They were a party who could not win and so they desided to rewrite history, lie their asses off and cheat in elections.

In doing so they have created a base that is out of touch with reality.

Its their own monster.


Their base hates the government our founders left us and pretend its something other than it really is.


Uninformed and filled with lies is no way for a party to aid its country.

They won the last election, dope.

Why do you hate your fellow americans so much that you lie about such simple things?......

She's Filled with Hate.

 

[Dot Com]

Why isn't Boehner leading? He's kow-towing to the T-Party/wing-nut base. Sad that.

He is. He walked out of a fruitless meeting with Obama and announced he would work with the Senate instead.
If that isn't leading, I dont know what is.

The Senate is already working w/ the President you dummy Ever heard the name "Reid"?

 

[driveby]

Why isn't Boehner leading? He's kow-towing to the T-Party/wing-nut base. Sad that.

Why hasn't Obama put a budget on paper?......

 

[Dot Com]

The republican party created this mess themselves.

They were a party who could not win and so they desided to rewrite history, lie their asses off and cheat in elections.

In doing so they have created a base that is out of touch with reality.

Its their own monster.


Their base hates the government our founders left us and pretend its something other than it really is.


Uninformed and filled with lies is no way for a party to aid its country.

The Teapublicans are running on hate.

 

[Stephanie]

Do people EVER do a damn SEARCH on this board.

So? being NORMAL is bending over and taking it up the ass with no complaining?

Brooks has JUMPED THE OBAMA shark, he should get off his knees already, it's pathetic

 

[Si modo]

The republican party created this mess themselves.

They were a party who could not win and so they desided to rewrite history, lie their asses off and cheat in elections.

In doing so they have created a base that is out of touch with reality.

Its their own monster.


Their base hates the government our founders left us and pretend its something other than it really is.


Uninformed and filled with lies is no way for a party to aid its country.

The Teapublicans are running on hate.

You bet! We hate inefficient government. Now, vilify us some more. It's cute.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

The republican party created this mess themselves.

They were a party who could not win and so they desided to rewrite history, lie their asses off and cheat in elections.

In doing so they have created a base that is out of touch with reality.

Its their own monster.


Their base hates the government our founders left us and pretend its something other than it really is.


Uninformed and filled with lies is no way for a party to aid its country.

The Teapublicans are running on hate.

OK, I give up. What the fuck is your avi? It looks like Emperor Palpatine in a Chinese Restaurant with a bird cage on his head

 

[driveby]

Why isn't Boehner leading? He's kow-towing to the T-Party/wing-nut base. Sad that.

He is. He walked out of a fruitless meeting with Obama and announced he would work with the Senate instead.
If that isn't leading, I dont know what is.

The Senate is already working w/ the President you dummy Ever heard the name "Reid"?

Reid is crying his ass off that he's left out and who can blame him, he's only had two years to come up with a budget, everyone knows you need more time than that.....

 

[saveliberty]

Trillions in cuts? We got a trillion short term, with wiggle room and TALKS about more cuts. We tapped the brakes while still headed straight for the cliff.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

The dems are pissed that they blew so much money that THERE ISN'T ENOUGH LEFT TO BUY VOTES WITH.

 

[Jarhead]

The dems are pissed that they blew so much money that THERE ISN'T ENOUGH LEFT TO BUY VOTES WITH.

Paraphrased:

"vote for me and 95% of you will get a check in the mail."

Amazing how the press did not question him as to whether or not it sounded like he was buying votes with tax payer money.

 

[kiwiman127]

The Mother of All No-Brainers

By DAVID BROOKS
Published: July 4, 2011

If the Republican Party were a normal party, it would take advantage of this amazing moment. It is being offered the deal of the century: trillions of dollars in spending cuts in exchange for a few hundred billion dollars of revenue increases.

A normal Republican Party would seize the opportunity to put a long-term limit on the growth of government. It would seize the opportunity to put the country on a sound fiscal footing. It would seize the opportunity to do these things without putting any real crimp in economic growth.

The party is not being asked to raise marginal tax rates in a way that might pervert incentives. On the contrary, Republicans are merely being asked to close loopholes and eliminate tax expenditures that are themselves distortionary.

This, as I say, is the mother of all no-brainers.

But we can have no confidence that the Republicans will seize this opportunity. That’s because the Republican Party may no longer be a normal party. Over the past few years, it has been infected by a faction that is more of a psychological protest than a practical, governing alternative.

The members of this movement do not accept the logic of compromise, no matter how sweet the terms. If you ask them to raise taxes by an inch in order to cut government by a foot, they will say no. If you ask them to raise taxes by an inch to cut government by a yard, they will still say no.

The members of this movement do not accept the legitimacy of scholars and intellectual authorities. A thousand impartial experts may tell them that a default on the debt would have calamitous effects, far worse than raising tax revenues a bit. But the members of this movement refuse to believe it.

The members of this movement have no sense of moral decency. A nation makes a sacred pledge to pay the money back when it borrows money. But the members of this movement talk blandly of default and are willing to stain their nation’s honor.

The members of this movement have no economic theory worthy of the name. Economists have identified many factors that contribute to economic growth, ranging from the productivity of the work force to the share of private savings that is available for private investment. Tax levels matter, but they are far from the only or even the most important factor.

But to members of this movement, tax levels are everything. Members of this tendency have taken a small piece of economic policy and turned it into a sacred fixation. They are willing to cut education and research to preserve tax expenditures. Manufacturing employment is cratering even as output rises, but members of this movement somehow believe such problems can be addressed so long as they continue to worship their idol.

Over the past week, Democrats have stopped making concessions. They are coming to the conclusion that if the Republicans are fanatics then they better be fanatics, too.

Mere parsimony is not economy. Expense, and great expense, may be an essential part in true economy.
Edmund Burke

"The members of this movement do not accept the legitimacy of scholars and intellectual authorities" Now that hits the nail on the head!

Last week during a discussion with Rabbi, I posted the article:
Top Economist: Even Brief Default Will Cause New Recession And Blow Recovery ‘Out Of The Water’
Top economist: Raise the debt ceiling or blow the recovery 'out of the water' - Yahoo! News

In this article, Dr Mark Zandi, who is Chief Economist for Moody’s Analytics stated:
"If we get to August 2 and there is no debt ceiling limit, and there has to be significant spending cuts – even if Congress and the administration reverse themselves days later, I think the damage will have been serious, and we probably would be thrown into a recession.”

Rabbi countered with:
________________________________________
Street economist says default better than cuts - MarketWatch

"There ya go.
queuing carping irrelevance in 3..2..1..."
______________________________________
But from the linked article by Rabbi
"His view stands at odds with the rest of Wall Street, which has frequently communicated to congressional Republicans as well as the White House a desire to see the $14.3 trillion debt ceiling increased".
In other words, Ethan Harris is in the minority.

And there you have it, Rabbi reflects the Tea Party mentality. They blow off a majority of top economists because the majority of top economist disagree with the Tea Party's economically destructive objective of not raising the debt limit.
And there we have it again, a classic case of ignoring those who are experts at economics by ideological fanatics who don't have a clue about economics.

 

[Dot Com]

The Mother of All No-Brainers

By DAVID BROOKS
Published: July 4, 2011

If the Republican Party were a normal party, it would take advantage of this amazing moment. It is being offered the deal of the century: trillions of dollars in spending cuts in exchange for a few hundred billion dollars of revenue increases.

A normal Republican Party would seize the opportunity to put a long-term limit on the growth of government. It would seize the opportunity to put the country on a sound fiscal footing. It would seize the opportunity to do these things without putting any real crimp in economic growth.

The party is not being asked to raise marginal tax rates in a way that might pervert incentives. On the contrary, Republicans are merely being asked to close loopholes and eliminate tax expenditures that are themselves distortionary.

This, as I say, is the mother of all no-brainers.

But we can have no confidence that the Republicans will seize this opportunity. That’s because the Republican Party may no longer be a normal party. Over the past few years, it has been infected by a faction that is more of a psychological protest than a practical, governing alternative.

The members of this movement do not accept the logic of compromise, no matter how sweet the terms. If you ask them to raise taxes by an inch in order to cut government by a foot, they will say no. If you ask them to raise taxes by an inch to cut government by a yard, they will still say no.

The members of this movement do not accept the legitimacy of scholars and intellectual authorities. A thousand impartial experts may tell them that a default on the debt would have calamitous effects, far worse than raising tax revenues a bit. But the members of this movement refuse to believe it.

The members of this movement have no sense of moral decency. A nation makes a sacred pledge to pay the money back when it borrows money. But the members of this movement talk blandly of default and are willing to stain their nation’s honor.

The members of this movement have no economic theory worthy of the name. Economists have identified many factors that contribute to economic growth, ranging from the productivity of the work force to the share of private savings that is available for private investment. Tax levels matter, but they are far from the only or even the most important factor.

But to members of this movement, tax levels are everything. Members of this tendency have taken a small piece of economic policy and turned it into a sacred fixation. They are willing to cut education and research to preserve tax expenditures. Manufacturing employment is cratering even as output rises, but members of this movement somehow believe such problems can be addressed so long as they continue to worship their idol.

Over the past week, Democrats have stopped making concessions. They are coming to the conclusion that if the Republicans are fanatics then they better be fanatics, too.

Mere parsimony is not economy. Expense, and great expense, may be an essential part in true economy.
Edmund Burke

"The members of this movement do not accept the legitimacy of scholars and intellectual authorities" Now that hits the nail on the head!

Last week during a discussion with Rabbi, I posted the article:
Top Economist: Even Brief Default Will Cause New Recession And Blow Recovery ‘Out Of The Water’
Top economist: Raise the debt ceiling or blow the recovery 'out of the water' - Yahoo! News

In this article, Dr Mark Zandi, who is Chief Economist for Moody’s Analytics stated:
"If we get to August 2 and there is no debt ceiling limit, and there has to be significant spending cuts – even if Congress and the administration reverse themselves days later, I think the damage will have been serious, and we probably would be thrown into a recession.”

Rabbi countered with:
________________________________________
Street economist says default better than cuts - MarketWatch

"There ya go.
queuing carping irrelevance in 3..2..1..."
______________________________________
But from the linked article by Rabbi
"His view stands at odds with the rest of Wall Street, which has frequently communicated to congressional Republicans as well as the White House a desire to see the $14.3 trillion debt ceiling increased".
In other words, Ethan Harris is in the minority.

And there you have it, Rabbi reflects the Tea Party mentality. They blow off a majority of top economists because the majority of top economist disagree with the Tea Party's economically destructive objective of not raising the debt limit.
And there we have it again, a classic case of ignoring those who are experts at economics by ideological fanatics who don't have a clue about economics.

The Rabbi is a partisan hack. No surprise there.

 

[saveliberty]

I maintain that a default will devalue the dollar which will increase foreign trade and add American jobs.

 

[Bfgrn]

The Mother of All No-Brainers

By DAVID BROOKS
Published: July 4, 2011

If the Republican Party were a normal party, it would take advantage of this amazing moment. It is being offered the deal of the century: trillions of dollars in spending cuts in exchange for a few hundred billion dollars of revenue increases.

A normal Republican Party would seize the opportunity to put a long-term limit on the growth of government. It would seize the opportunity to put the country on a sound fiscal footing. It would seize the opportunity to do these things without putting any real crimp in economic growth.

The party is not being asked to raise marginal tax rates in a way that might pervert incentives. On the contrary, Republicans are merely being asked to close loopholes and eliminate tax expenditures that are themselves distortionary.

This, as I say, is the mother of all no-brainers.

But we can have no confidence that the Republicans will seize this opportunity. That’s because the Republican Party may no longer be a normal party. Over the past few years, it has been infected by a faction that is more of a psychological protest than a practical, governing alternative.

The members of this movement do not accept the logic of compromise, no matter how sweet the terms. If you ask them to raise taxes by an inch in order to cut government by a foot, they will say no. If you ask them to raise taxes by an inch to cut government by a yard, they will still say no.

The members of this movement do not accept the legitimacy of scholars and intellectual authorities. A thousand impartial experts may tell them that a default on the debt would have calamitous effects, far worse than raising tax revenues a bit. But the members of this movement refuse to believe it.

The members of this movement have no sense of moral decency. A nation makes a sacred pledge to pay the money back when it borrows money. But the members of this movement talk blandly of default and are willing to stain their nation’s honor.

The members of this movement have no economic theory worthy of the name. Economists have identified many factors that contribute to economic growth, ranging from the productivity of the work force to the share of private savings that is available for private investment. Tax levels matter, but they are far from the only or even the most important factor.

But to members of this movement, tax levels are everything. Members of this tendency have taken a small piece of economic policy and turned it into a sacred fixation. They are willing to cut education and research to preserve tax expenditures. Manufacturing employment is cratering even as output rises, but members of this movement somehow believe such problems can be addressed so long as they continue to worship their idol.

Over the past week, Democrats have stopped making concessions. They are coming to the conclusion that if the Republicans are fanatics then they better be fanatics, too.

Mere parsimony is not economy. Expense, and great expense, may be an essential part in true economy.
Edmund Burke

"The members of this movement do not accept the legitimacy of scholars and intellectual authorities" Now that hits the nail on the head!

Last week during a discussion with Rabbi, I posted the article:
Top Economist: Even Brief Default Will Cause New Recession And Blow Recovery ‘Out Of The Water’
Top economist: Raise the debt ceiling or blow the recovery 'out of the water' - Yahoo! News

In this article, Dr Mark Zandi, who is Chief Economist for Moody’s Analytics stated:
"If we get to August 2 and there is no debt ceiling limit, and there has to be significant spending cuts – even if Congress and the administration reverse themselves days later, I think the damage will have been serious, and we probably would be thrown into a recession.”

Rabbi countered with:
________________________________________
Street economist says default better than cuts - MarketWatch

"There ya go.
queuing carping irrelevance in 3..2..1..."
______________________________________
But from the linked article by Rabbi
"His view stands at odds with the rest of Wall Street, which has frequently communicated to congressional Republicans as well as the White House a desire to see the $14.3 trillion debt ceiling increased".
In other words, Ethan Harris is in the minority.

And there you have it, Rabbi reflects the Tea Party mentality. They blow off a majority of top economists because the majority of top economist disagree with the Tea Party's economically destructive objective of not raising the debt limit.
And there we have it again, a classic case of ignoring those who are experts at economics by ideological fanatics who don't have a clue about economics.

Terrorists need to blow things up, whether foreign or domestic.

Insurgency

Friday, February 6, 2009

Texas Republican Congressman Pete Sessions compares GOP strategy to Taliban insurgency

"Insurgency, we understand perhaps a little bit more because of the Taliban, and that is that they went about systematically understanding how to disrupt and change a person's entire processes. And these Taliban -- I'm not trying to say the Republican Party is the Taliban. No, that's not what we're saying. I'm saying an example of how you go about [sic] is to change a person from their messaging to their operations to their frontline message. And we need to understand that insurgency may be required when the other side, the House leadership, does not follow the same commands, which we entered the game with."

Congressman Pete Sessions Compares House Republicans To Taliban | Capitol Annex