If Obamacare is so good

[Little-Acorn]

Then why do they need a law forcing folks to buy it?

Obamacare is in reality a massive wealth-redistribution scheme, which uses "health care" as its excuse.

It charges very high premiums to everybody, and then "gives" subsidies (taxpayer money) to people who have less, leaving everyone else to pay heavily, including those who don't need or want a massive insurance policy.

Some people give more than they receive, others receive more than they get. You have to have laws forcing those who give more then they receive, to keep paying anyway, or they will do the sensible thing and quit.

And those who want more economical policies, will get them elsewhere, unless there are also laws that choke off the availability of the more economical policies... plus a loud chorus of sycophants shouting that the economical policies are "inferior"... without actually examining those policies, of course.

 

[thereisnospoon]

Sure. I know, it's about the price of Tea, in China. Tell us, what was Medicare about? How about Medicaid? Or the VA? Were those nefarious government plots?

Those are entitlement programs, and funded via taxes. They don't force people to buy products they don't want from Big Government Cronies who have been promised bail outs when the Ponzi scheme falls apart.

In their cases, when the Ponzi schemes fall apart, the young who are paying the taxes will be taxed more. Not that that's any better, but it is a different form of coercion.

Don't worry your pretty little head, it won't last long. It's the wrong solution but you have to walk before you can run.

That you have correct. Obamacare is nothing but a sneaky way to introduce single payer.
It's garbage government. Obama and the democrats fucked up.

 

[francoHFW]

Then why do they need a law forcing folks to buy it?

and why are 30,000,000 people still breaking that law

They'll come around when the penalties get higher- and btw when premiums come down as more insurers compete. As planned....and actually about 20...

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Those three programs provide the absolute worst healthcare for the people forced into them in the country. These are your examples of what we need to strive for?

Worst huh? No, the worst is not having any healthcare at all. As for the programs, they work quite well and that's a problem for you because in your worldview they aren't supposed to.

If Obamacare works at all, you're really screwed, and you know it.

Now get this straight. We ALL have health care..
What you want is the unrealistic and unsustainable concept of first dollar insurance coverage.
Better known as "single payer"...
It's NOT happening.

We all have healthcare? That's interesting, because many tens of millions here don't. What's your planet called? I might want to visit?

 

[thereisnospoon]

His question has been answered, twice now. He can't understand that both taxes and Obamacare have a Free Rider problem, and the solution is the same in both cases.

Taxes for defense is critical to the existance of the nation, taxes for healthcare are not. What part of that don't you understand.

How odd, I disagree, but I still pay for both. That's how it works here.

That's how what works where?

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Those are entitlement programs, and funded via taxes. They don't force people to buy products they don't want from Big Government Cronies who have been promised bail outs when the Ponzi scheme falls apart.

In their cases, when the Ponzi schemes fall apart, the young who are paying the taxes will be taxed more. Not that that's any better, but it is a different form of coercion.

Don't worry your pretty little head, it won't last long. It's the wrong solution but you have to walk before you can run.

That you have correct. Obamacare is nothing but a sneaky way to introduce single payer.
It's garbage government. Obama and the democrats fucked up.

They've only fucked up if it doesn't get them what they want...

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Taxes for defense is critical to the existance of the nation, taxes for healthcare are not. What part of that don't you understand.

How odd, I disagree, but I still pay for both. That's how it works here.

That's how what works where?

Everywhere. Guns and butter little friend, guns and butter.

 

[francoHFW]

Those are entitlement programs, and funded via taxes. They don't force people to buy products they don't want from Big Government Cronies who have been promised bail outs when the Ponzi scheme falls apart.

In their cases, when the Ponzi schemes fall apart, the young who are paying the taxes will be taxed more. Not that that's any better, but it is a different form of coercion.

Don't worry your pretty little head, it won't last long. It's the wrong solution but you have to walk before you can run.

That you have correct. Obamacare is nothing but a sneaky way to introduce single payer.
It's garbage government. Obama and the democrats fucked up.

It works fine in Holland and Switzerland...

 

[thereisnospoon]

Sure. I know, it's about the price of Tea, in China. Tell us, what was Medicare about? How about Medicaid? Or the VA? Were those nefarious government plots?

You seem to be an intelligent individual. Which means you are most likely aware of the distinction between health care, and health insurance.

Look, everyone loses a debate now and then. Put it behind, and move on.

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I've lost nothing. The "debate" is over "free riders". That subject most here are still attempting to understand. I'm not one of them...

YOU are the only one with 'free riders" on the brain.
YOU decided to derail the thread and insert your idea of why everything government does must be in the form of a captive marketplace.
What you are actually supporting is your political ideology. Nothing else.
You libs know damned well your programs and politics are woefully unpopular with the producers, while wildly popular with the non producers and parasites.
So unpopular are they that these programs such as Obamacare have to be rammed down the throats of all.

 

[Missouri_Mike]

It's a free country, sort of.

People like you made it a sort of. A few more laws and SC rulings and that sort of becomes not even close to free.

Sure. It's all Concentration Camps and Obama Youth rallies. Got it...

Getting closer to that by the day. For the first time in US history you must purchase a product from the government that they have deemed in your best interest. If you don't then you are fined.

If that product goes against your religious beliefs well the government doesn't give a fuck buy it anyway.

If that product makes no economical sense and you can't afford it once again the government doesn't give a fuck buy it anyway.

And we don't need concentration camps per-se, we just need a government agency to hound you and take all of your belongings if you don't comply. I'm thinking something like the IRS would suit this purpose. All that agency needs is another 30 thousand or so to enforce it.

So the federal government is now in control of...

Your birth certificate.
Your SS identity.
Your education.
Your selective service.
Your college tuition.
Your labor.
Your employers benefits.
Your retirement funds.
Your healthcare.
Your unemployment.
Your food stamps.
Your religion.
Your states ability to govern.
Your child rearing.
Your school choice.
Your vehicle of choice.
The fuel you must use in that vehicle.
Your use of water on your property.
If you get to keep your property.
Your use of that property.
Your mortgage on that property.
Your insurance on that property.

Do I need to continue?

 

[PaintMyHouse]

People like you made it a sort of. A few more laws and SC rulings and that sort of becomes not even close to free.

Sure. It's all Concentration Camps and Obama Youth rallies. Got it...

Getting closer to that by the day. For the first time in US history you must purchase a product from the government that they have deemed in your best interest. If you don't then you are fined.

If that product goes against your religious beliefs well the government doesn't give a fuck buy it anyway.

If that product makes no economical sense and you can't afford it once again the government doesn't give a fuck buy it anyway.

And we don't need concentration camps per-se, we just need a government agency to hound you and take all of your belongings if you don't comply. I'm thinking something like the IRS would suit this purpose. All that agency needs is another 30 thousand or so to enforce it.

So the federal government is now in control of...

Your birth certificate.
Your SS identity.
Your education.
Your selective service.
Your college tuition.
Your labor.
Your employers benefits.
Your retirement funds.
Your healthcare.
Your unemployment.
Your food stamps.
Your religion.
Your states ability to govern.
Your child rearing.
Your school choice.
Your vehicle of choice.
The fuel you must use in that vehicle.
Your use of water on your property.
If you get to keep your property.
Your use of that property.
Your mortgage on that property.
Your insurance on that property.

Do I need to continue?

Don't continue, just try to get at least a few of those right, most of which you haven't. We have a lot of Governing Bodies here. It's not just the Feds.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

You seem to be an intelligent individual. Which means you are most likely aware of the distinction between health care, and health insurance.

Look, everyone loses a debate now and then. Put it behind, and move on.

.

I've lost nothing. The "debate" is over "free riders". That subject most here are still attempting to understand. I'm not one of them...

YOU are the only one with 'free riders" on the brain.
YOU decided to derail the thread and insert your idea of why everything government does must be in the form of a captive marketplace.
What you are actually supporting is your political ideology. Nothing else.
You libs know damned well your programs and politics are woefully unpopular with the producers, while wildly popular with the non producers and parasites.
So unpopular are they that these programs such as Obamacare have to be rammed down the throats of all.

The Public doesn't always approve. The Public isn't required to.

 

[thereisnospoon]

His question has been answered, twice now. He can't understand that both taxes and Obamacare have a Free Rider problem, and the solution is the same in both cases.

Incorrect.
Insisting does not make a thing any more factual.

1. You're wrong.
2. That's correct.

The question has been answered. Moving on...

Insisting further then makes one appear foolish.
Look, you are a true believer. We get it.

 

[francoHFW]

The public is misinformed, thanks to our crappe Pub/corporate media...

 

[JakeStarkey]

No one has answered "why not?"

The answer "why" is clear.

 

[percysunshine]

The public is misinformed, thanks to our crappe Pub/corporate media...

Why do you hate NPR? They have some good stuff.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Incorrect.
Insisting does not make a thing any more factual.

1. You're wrong.
2. That's correct.

The question has been answered. Moving on...

Insisting further then makes one appear foolish.
Look, you are a true believer. We get it.

I wish you did get something, but that's not possible.

 

[thereisnospoon]

Worst huh? No, the worst is not having any healthcare at all. As for the programs, they work quite well and that's a problem for you because in your worldview they aren't supposed to.

If Obamacare works at all, you're really screwed, and you know it.

Now get this straight. We ALL have health care..
What you want is the unrealistic and unsustainable concept of first dollar insurance coverage.
Better known as "single payer"...
It's NOT happening.

We all have healthcare? That's interesting, because many tens of millions here don't. What's your planet called? I might want to visit?

Yes. Health care....
You and the rest of your left wing minions are clearly unable to distinguish the difference between health care( it's TWO WORDS.Not one) and health INSURANCE.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Now get this straight. We ALL have health care..
What you want is the unrealistic and unsustainable concept of first dollar insurance coverage.
Better known as "single payer"...
It's NOT happening.

We all have healthcare? That's interesting, because many tens of millions here don't. What's your planet called? I might want to visit?

Yes. Health care....
You and the rest of your left wing minions are clearly unable to distinguish the difference between health care( it's TWO WORDS.Not one) and health INSURANCE.

Healthcare can be one or two words, it depends upon its usage And your semantics on Insurance is noted.

 

[thereisnospoon]

Don't worry your pretty little head, it won't last long. It's the wrong solution but you have to walk before you can run.

That you have correct. Obamacare is nothing but a sneaky way to introduce single payer.
It's garbage government. Obama and the democrats fucked up.

They've only fucked up if it doesn't get them what they want...

No....Way to miss the point..
The Obama admin and the democrat supporters of all things Obama have shown that they cannot successfully implement something meant to affect just a little over one tenth the population. Americans will sit back and ask "if you guys cannot get a website to run properly, how in the world do you expect us to trust you with the health insurance of the entire country?"
....Why is single payer so important to you? What's in it for you?