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Proceed with the deportations. The deported take their kids with them, unless they'd rather leave them here. In that case they will be responsible for finding "parental oversight/sponsorship" for their children who've received ill gotten citizenship.OK. What do you suggest?There are plenty of American children, born of Legal American parents one can "help". And soon more resources to lend to the cause. Let us not squander this opportunity.Not trying to hurt you or anyone, you don't get it. Kudos for helping kids, good stuff. But sometimes we come a crossroads. Illegals aren't the poor little victims they are being made out to be. You don't get THAT.Oh laudy, I been haut so bayd, so vera, vera bayd! I feels the vaypus coming on ageen!
.... their children who've received ill gotten citizenship.
.... Why is that so hard for Mexicans? ... Not even Mexicans. Not EVEN.
How is that? I work with people that legally immigrate and they don't use their children as a hedge. They don't put on pretenses .Mexicans do that. They are so full of it. Excuses, excuses. Get over it..... their children who've received ill gotten citizenship.
You mean "got their citizenship the exact same way you got yours."
How is that? I work with people that legally immigrate and they don't use their children as a hedge. They don't put on pretenses .Mexicans do that. They are so full of it. Excuses, excuses. Get over it..... their children who've received ill gotten citizenship.
You mean "got their citizenship the exact same way you got yours."
... Hispanics need to understand that. Racism has NOTHING to do with it. ....
All but the most truly ignorant fully understand, and acknowledge the difference between "ethnicity/race", and nationality.I love immigrants. I despise liars, cheats and frauds, IE: illegal aliens. Let's not confuse the two. Hispanics need to understand that. Racism has NOTHING to do with it. Never the twain shall meet.
If ICE deports illegal-alien parents with US-born kids, are they the ones "breaking up the family"?
Happens a lot these days. Illegal alien parents who produced kids in the U.S., get busted and deported. What happens to their U.S. citizen kids? Especially young kids, barely past toddler stage?
An adult man crosses the border illegally, and lives here. He marries someone, say another illegal alien. They have kids here. The kids are U.S. citizens under the current interpretation of the 14th amendment, since they were born on U.S. soil.
Then the man (and maybe his wife) get busted by ICE, proven to be illegal aliens (which they in fact are), and get listed for deportation.
What happens to the kids?
The kids are U.S. citizens, no doubt about it. ICE has no grounds whatever for deporting them. But the parents are unquestionably illegal aliens, and the law is clear, the parents must be deported. Must the family be broken up? Who says so?
I've hear some people protest that it's inhuman for ICE to separate the kids (who are, say, 3 and 4 years old by now) from their parents. But is it ICE who is actually doing that?
This man knew before he ever came here, that he was breaking U.S. law, and was subject to deportation if caught. And his wife, if she is also an illegal alien, knew the same about herself. And when they were making kids here on U.S. soil and delivering them, they knew the same was still true.
It's not ICE who is planning to split up this family. It is the man and his wife, knowing that he and she might be booted out at any time for breaking U.S. immigration law, and that any kids they produced while living illegally in America, would be citizens NOT subject to deportation. They knew all these things going in. And one must assume they planned for them. (If they didn't plan, whose fault is that?)
So, what did this man and his wife plan would happen to their U.S. kids if and when they (the parents) got busted and deported? What plans did they make about what should happen to their kids? The kids are 3 and 4 years old now. They are considered U.S. citizens and have the legal right to stay in this country. Of course, they can't stay alone in the house their parents were just deported out of, if there are no other responsible adults around - the kids are just 3 and 4 years old. Of course, the kids also have the legal right to go with their parents back to the parents' home country.
The parents knew going in, that their own deportation was possible and legal... and even just. WHAT DID THEY PLAN FOR THEIR KIDS if that were to happen to them?
Did they plan that those kids would come back to the parents' home country with them? Or did they plan that the kids would stay with other (legal) family, however distantly related, in the U.S.? Or...? What DID these parents plan, for the time when the parents got busted?
Where does anyone get the idea that the government is responsible for the kids?
The parents are responsible for their kids. What have they planned?
Why then was the overwhelming consensus on the Right that Elian Gonzalez should not be reunited with his father?
Happens a lot these days. Illegal alien parents who produced kids in the U.S., get busted and deported. What happens to their U.S. citizen kids? Especially young kids, barely past toddler stage?
An adult man crosses the border illegally, and lives here. He marries someone, say another illegal alien. They have kids here. The kids are U.S. citizens under the current interpretation of the 14th amendment, since they were born on U.S. soil.
Then the man (and maybe his wife) get busted by ICE, proven to be illegal aliens (which they in fact are), and get listed for deportation.
What happens to the kids?
The kids are U.S. citizens, no doubt about it. ICE has no grounds whatever for deporting them. But the parents are unquestionably illegal aliens, and the law is clear, the parents must be deported. Must the family be broken up? Who says so?
I've hear some people protest that it's inhuman for ICE to separate the kids (who are, say, 3 and 4 years old by now) from their parents. But is it ICE who is actually doing that?
This man knew before he ever came here, that he was breaking U.S. law, and was subject to deportation if caught. And his wife, if she is also an illegal alien, knew the same about herself. And when they were making kids here on U.S. soil and delivering them, they knew the same was still true.
It's not ICE who is planning to split up this family. It is the man and his wife, knowing that he and she might be booted out at any time for breaking U.S. immigration law, and that any kids they produced while living illegally in America, would be citizens NOT subject to deportation. They knew all these things going in. And one must assume they planned for them. (If they didn't plan, whose fault is that?)
So, what did this man and his wife plan would happen to their U.S. kids if and when they (the parents) got busted and deported? What plans did they make about what should happen to their kids? The kids are 3 and 4 years old now. They are considered U.S. citizens and have the legal right to stay in this country. Of course, they can't stay alone in the house their parents were just deported out of, if there are no other responsible adults around - the kids are just 3 and 4 years old. Of course, the kids also have the legal right to go with their parents back to the parents' home country.
The parents knew going in, that their own deportation was possible and legal... and even just. WHAT DID THEY PLAN FOR THEIR KIDS if that were to happen to them?
Did they plan that those kids would come back to the parents' home country with them? Or did they plan that the kids would stay with other (legal) family, however distantly related, in the U.S.? Or...? What DID these parents plan, for the time when the parents got busted?
Where does anyone get the idea that the government is responsible for the kids?
The parents are responsible for their kids. What have they planned?
Why then was the overwhelming consensus on the Right that Elian Gonzalez should not be reunited with his father?
Because his father was divorced from the mother and was demanding him under duress because castro wanted the kid back, not the father.
Why then was the overwhelming consensus on the Right that Elian Gonzalez should not be reunited with his father?
Because his father was divorced from the mother and was demanding him under duress because castro wanted the kid back, not the father.
You lie.
TRANSLATION: Uh-oh, I can't answer the questions! Quick, let's change the subject!Why then was the overwhelming consensus on the Right that Elian Gonzalez should not be reunited with his father?
Why then was the overwhelming consensus on the Right that Elian Gonzalez should not be reunited with his father?
Because his father was divorced from the mother and was demanding him under duress because castro wanted the kid back, not the father.
You lie.
Nope....his parents were divorced....Elián González - Wikipedia
Elián González was born December 6, 1993 to divorced parents.[5]
Why then was the overwhelming consensus on the Right that Elian Gonzalez should not be reunited with his father?
Because his father was divorced from the mother and was demanding him under duress because castro wanted the kid back, not the father.
You lie.
Nope....his parents were divorced....Elián González - Wikipedia
Elián González was born December 6, 1993 to divorced parents.[5]
So what? His father is his father.
You are making a fucking fool of yourself. Stop. It's nauseating.
