If gun control isn't the answer, what is?

[spectrumc01]

The re-opening of mental assylums. The ones that never should have closed in the first place. Guns, videogames, music, tv, and all the other BS don't kill people...Fucking mental patients kill people. Lock them up. Proof of needed medication is enough.

Because I am a strong First Amendment advocate I'd like to say I agree with you, but there is a situation that calls for closer examination. I'm talking about the fact that we can't thumb through the tv channels at any time of day or night without coming across some form of gunplay; someone shooting someone or shooting at someone, or being shot or shot at, with handguns, machine guns, revolvers, automatics, rifles, shotguns. Some of this gunplay is associated with criminality but most of it is associated with good-guy heroics. And enough of seeing something done eventually comes to seem it's like the thing to do.

Try it. Start from Channel 2 and keep going. The more channels you have access to the more gunplay you will happen upon. Your conditioned reaction to this gun violence will be casual dismissal. The reason for that is you've become so conditioned to what in fact are animated images of lethal violence they have become familiar and subliminally acceptable activities.

While this process of inculcation via tv and movies does not impart a motivating effect on the average individual I believe it sets up the psyche of exceptional individuals, such as Adam Lanza, to behave in a way which has become commonplace -- even natural to them.

Our parents and grandparents used to play cowboys and indians, and cops and robbers. They would point fake guns at one another and pretend to kill one another. We even did the same thing (yes, I came before video games). Was playing violent cops and robbers contributing to the violence of the day? did we try to outlaw cowboys and indians?

If you feel your child is weak minded, and you don't feel like parenting your child, then change the channel. Every parent has the option to limit their childs exposure to tv and video game violence, they are just to lazy and weak to do it.

 

[Koios]

You have to pass a driver course before you get the license.
Anyone with any knowledge of weapons knows that education is advised to be a requirement for those with no knowledge of weapons.
Specifically law enforcement and NRA advised it also.

A coupla things:

requirement

advised

LOL, obvious you have never bought or owned a weapon.
The only gun you have you piss and play with.
When someone is a first time weapons buyer it is suggested by the person that brings them that they should make it a requirement that they take safety courses BEFORE they buy the weapon.
NRA advises that and teaches that in their courses.
Parent, friend, husband, instructor, law enforcement and military.
Again, anyone that knows anything about weapons knows that it is always a good idea to make it a requirement that a new weapons purchaser take a safety course BEFORE they buy it.
Not a law.

Actually I was playing off advised to be a requirement, a bit of a contradictory concept. And if either advocate that it be a REQUIREMENT, that's news to me.

Meanwhile, no; I am not NRA, as you guessed. But I bought an NRA membership for my live-in girlfriend, kind of as a joke, when she (too) got a handgun. So American Rifleman hits my mailbox, too.

 

[nitroz]

The answer is teaching people how to act in scenarios that involve a gun. Have lock-down drills (like fire drills). Teach our children how to diffuse a situation, whether it involves a weapon or not. Instead of just relying on laws to prevent tragedy like this, teach us what we can do in situations like this and teach us how to defend ourselves.

 

[Oldguy]

The re-opening of mental assylums. The ones that never should have closed in the first place. Guns, videogames, music, tv, and all the other BS don't kill people...Fucking mental patients kill people. Lock them up. Proof of needed medication is enough.

Because I am a strong First Amendment advocate I'd like to say I agree with you, but there is a situation that calls for closer examination. I'm talking about the fact that we can't thumb through the tv channels at any time of day or night without coming across some form of gunplay; someone shooting someone or shooting at someone, or being shot or shot at, with handguns, machine guns, revolvers, automatics, rifles, shotguns. Some of this gunplay is associated with criminality but most of it is associated with good-guy heroics. And enough of seeing something done eventually comes to seem it's like the thing to do.

Try it. Start from Channel 2 and keep going. The more channels you have access to the more gunplay you will happen upon. Your conditioned reaction to this gun violence will be casual dismissal. The reason for that is you've become so conditioned to what in fact are animated images of lethal violence they have become familiar and subliminally acceptable activities.

While this process of inculcation via tv and movies does not impart a motivating effect on the average individual I believe it sets up the psyche of exceptional individuals, such as Adam Lanza, to behave in a way which has become commonplace -- even natural to them.

Our parents and grandparents used to play cowboys and indians, and cops and robbers. They would point fake guns at one another and pretend to kill one another. We even did the same thing (yes, I came before video games). Was playing violent cops and robbers contributing to the violence of the day? did we try to outlaw cowboys and indians?

If you feel your child is weak minded, and you don't feel like parenting your child, then change the channel. Every parent has the option to limit their childs exposure to tv and video game violence, they are just to lazy and weak to do it.

Yep. I wouldn't hesitate to guess I killed thousands of imaginary Germans and Indians (strangely, I never "fought" the Japs!). Heck, we even had long-running BB gun fights with the neighbors kids, which included ambushing each other every chance we got. We bought real guns out of the Sears or Montgomery Wards catalogues and spent hour after hour down in the woods shooting birds, rabbits, butterflies or anything else which moved. And without adult supervision!

Strangely...none of us grew up to be murderer's, mass or otherwise.

 

[MikeK]

The re-opening of mental assylums. The ones that never should have closed in the first place. Guns, videogames, music, tv, and all the other BS don't kill people...Fucking mental patients kill people. Lock them up. Proof of needed medication is enough.

Because I am a strong First Amendment advocate I'd like to say I agree with you, but there is a situation that calls for closer examination. I'm talking about the fact that we can't thumb through the tv channels at any time of day or night without coming across some form of gunplay; someone shooting someone or shooting at someone, or being shot or shot at, with handguns, machine guns, revolvers, automatics, rifles, shotguns. Some of this gunplay is associated with criminality but most of it is associated with good-guy heroics. And enough of seeing something done eventually comes to seem it's like the thing to do.

Try it. Start from Channel 2 and keep going. The more channels you have access to the more gunplay you will happen upon. Your conditioned reaction to this gun violence will be casual dismissal. The reason for that is you've become so conditioned to what in fact are animated images of lethal violence they have become familiar and subliminally acceptable activities.

While this process of inculcation via tv and movies does not impart a motivating effect on the average individual I believe it sets up the psyche of exceptional individuals, such as Adam Lanza, to behave in a way which has become commonplace -- even natural to them.

Our parents and grandparents used to play cowboys and indians, and cops and robbers. They would point fake guns at one another and pretend to kill one another. We even did the same thing (yes, I came before video games). Was playing violent cops and robbers contributing to the violence of the day? did we try to outlaw cowboys and indians?

If you feel your child is weak minded, and you don't feel like parenting your child, then change the channel. Every parent has the option to limit their childs exposure to tv and video game violence, they are just to lazy and weak to do it.

Neither you nor your parents and grandparents played cowboys and Indians every day -- and I'm not talking about the possible effect of tv inculcation on children but on everyone who watches television day after day after day. Because that is very different from playing cops and robbers now and then.

I'm sure you'll agree that watching pornography day after day will have an effect on one's mindset and possibly one's sexuality. It comes under the heading that too much of anything is not good. So I am simply suggesting that too much gun violence on tv could have something to do with the kind of violent behavior which is increasingly common.

I'm not saying it does. I'm suggesting it might.

 

[Oldguy]

Neither you nor your parents and grandparents played cowboys and Indians every day

Wanna bet? We even wore our toy guns to school. TO SCHOOL! Can you even imagine?

I'm not saying it does. I'm suggesting it might.

Yeah, well...the moon "might" kick out of orbit and land in your living room too, but I don't think that would be a good reason for passing new laws, do you?

 

[HomeInspect]

MOST responsible gun owners already take classes, know how to respect their weapons...why don't you all go after the crazies instead of making everyone else pay for your insane ideas..Instead you just leave them on the streets to kill innocents then come after the people who had nothing to do with

Taking a gun saftey course before buying a gun is an insane idea ? I guess taking driver's Ed is too.... jeeeez..

no, you wanting to FORCE PEOPLE to take them, nobody FORCES people people to take driver's Ed NOR is it required to take the driving test...

good gawd

Good Gawd back at ya... you are forced to take driver's Ed and/or a driver's test to drive a car legally (at least in every state I have lived). A car is a dangerous tool if not handled properly. Just like a firearm.. no ?

 

[HomeInspect]

Ahh.. Joey Biden.. take a look at what he said in 2008

Biden 2008: If Obama

Is this the same guy Obama just appointed to head the commitee on gun control ? LOL

 

[spectrumc01]

Because I am a strong First Amendment advocate I'd like to say I agree with you, but there is a situation that calls for closer examination. I'm talking about the fact that we can't thumb through the tv channels at any time of day or night without coming across some form of gunplay; someone shooting someone or shooting at someone, or being shot or shot at, with handguns, machine guns, revolvers, automatics, rifles, shotguns. Some of this gunplay is associated with criminality but most of it is associated with good-guy heroics. And enough of seeing something done eventually comes to seem it's like the thing to do.

Try it. Start from Channel 2 and keep going. The more channels you have access to the more gunplay you will happen upon. Your conditioned reaction to this gun violence will be casual dismissal. The reason for that is you've become so conditioned to what in fact are animated images of lethal violence they have become familiar and subliminally acceptable activities.

While this process of inculcation via tv and movies does not impart a motivating effect on the average individual I believe it sets up the psyche of exceptional individuals, such as Adam Lanza, to behave in a way which has become commonplace -- even natural to them.

Our parents and grandparents used to play cowboys and indians, and cops and robbers. They would point fake guns at one another and pretend to kill one another. We even did the same thing (yes, I came before video games). Was playing violent cops and robbers contributing to the violence of the day? did we try to outlaw cowboys and indians?

If you feel your child is weak minded, and you don't feel like parenting your child, then change the channel. Every parent has the option to limit their childs exposure to tv and video game violence, they are just to lazy and weak to do it.

Neither you nor your parents and grandparents played cowboys and Indians every day -- and I'm not talking about the possible effect of tv inculcation on children but on everyone who watches television day after day after day. Because that is very different from playing cops and robbers now and then.

I'm sure you'll agree that watching pornography day after day will have an effect on one's mindset and possibly one's sexuality. It comes under the heading that too much of anything is not good. So I am simply suggesting that too much gun violence on tv could have something to do with the kind of violent behavior which is increasingly common.

I'm not saying it does. I'm suggesting it might.

Right, so don't let your kids watch tv every waking moment, just like our parents didn't let us play cowboys and indians our every waking hour.
I'm saying you could change the channel in this free country, I'm not saying you would. I'm just suggesting it.

 

[The Rabbi]

It still proves that those states where responsible people per capita are purchasing the most guns have some of the lowest crime rates.

Yup. Should be common sense. Guns are dangerous. In the hands of honest citizens they are dangerous to criminals. In the hands of criminals they are dangerous to honest citizens. Make your choice.

Agreed... so keeping the guns out of the hands of crazies and criminals, and teaching those that are not, to be responsible with guns, should be the priority. I am all for a mandatory saftey class, just like getting a driver's license, before one is allowed to buy a gun. Many states, like mine, already have laws about keeping them locked, and laws about transporting. I would be interested to know if those type of laws were in the town where Lanza's mother kept her guns.

That would accomplish nothing. People who are responsible, are responsible. People who aren't, aren't. You can't educate someone to be responsible, unless you're their parent.

 

[RandallFlagg]

Ahh.. Joey Biden.. take a look at what he said in 2008

Biden 2008: If Obama

Is this the same guy Obama just appointed to head the commitee on gun control ? LOL

Well, yes, it is the same guy. Full of baloney, saying what his audience wanted to hear and saying it for the sole purpose of getting votes. I mean, really. What does he really care whether Americans have guns or not? He has a heavily armed security detail who will shoot first, and ask questions later.

He can go to any range he chooses and shoot all day, every day, if he is so inclined. He can have access to any weapon he wants, when he wants, whether it be pistol, rifle or shotgun. Whether it be a semi-auto rifle or a M4. He's the Vice President. Forget the fact that he's so senile that he rarely knows what day of the week it is - He's the VP.....The rules don't apply to his brand of mental illness......

 

[MikeK]

Neither you nor your parents and grandparents played cowboys and Indians every day

Wanna bet? We even wore our toy guns to school. TO SCHOOL! Can you even imagine?

I'm not saying it does. I'm suggesting it might.

Yeah, well...the moon "might" kick out of orbit and land in your living room too, but I don't think that would be a good reason for passing new laws, do you?

I didn't suggest passing any laws. My interest lies in the possibility that repetitive imagery, which is a subliminal indoctrination (brainwash) technique, might have something to do with the rise in these increasingly bizarre massacres with guns.

Right now the political theater is focused on banning high capacity gun magazines because the performers know they can get that law passed. They are pursuing that nonsensical idea because it's all they can do and they must do something. But it's quite possible the source of the problem is not guns but a circumstance they haven't even considered -- that of violent gun imagery occurring as a kind of homicidal pornography.

While it has no effect on the rational mind who knows what demons it might awaken in the psychopath.

 

[Oldguy]

Neither you nor your parents and grandparents played cowboys and Indians every day

Wanna bet? We even wore our toy guns to school. TO SCHOOL! Can you even imagine?

I'm not saying it does. I'm suggesting it might.

Yeah, well...the moon "might" kick out of orbit and land in your living room too, but I don't think that would be a good reason for passing new laws, do you?

I didn't suggest passing any laws. My interest lies in the possibility that repetitive imagery, which is a subliminal indoctrination (brainwash) technique, might have something to do with the rise in these increasingly bizarre massacres with guns.

Right now the political theater is focused on banning high capacity gun magazines because the performers know they can get that law passed. They are pursuing that nonsensical idea because it's all they can do and they must do something. But it's quite possible the source of the problem is not guns but a circumstance they haven't even considered -- that of violent gun imagery occurring as a kind of homicidal pornography.

While it has no effect on the rational mind who knows what demons it might awaken in the psychopath.

Perhaps, but the only logical solution to that is some form of censorship. Is that a road you really want to start down? Never forget that process of incrementalism. What may start out benign and for a good cause, grows into something more sinister over time.

 

[HomeInspect]

Yup. Should be common sense. Guns are dangerous. In the hands of honest citizens they are dangerous to criminals. In the hands of criminals they are dangerous to honest citizens. Make your choice.

Agreed... so keeping the guns out of the hands of crazies and criminals, and teaching those that are not, to be responsible with guns, should be the priority. I am all for a mandatory saftey class, just like getting a driver's license, before one is allowed to buy a gun. Many states, like mine, already have laws about keeping them locked, and laws about transporting. I would be interested to know if those type of laws were in the town where Lanza's mother kept her guns.

That would accomplish nothing. People who are responsible, are responsible. People who aren't, aren't. You can't educate someone to be responsible, unless you're their parent.

You may be right, and it would not keep criminals from getting guns and being criminals. But it may stop people like Lanza's mother from leaving guns accessible. Anyone can steal a car and drive down the road like an idiot, but we still make people take a driver's test to get a license.

 

[HomeInspect]

Gun prosecutions under Obama down more than 45 percent | WashingtonExaminer.com

 

[ba1614]

Agreed... so keeping the guns out of the hands of crazies and criminals, and teaching those that are not, to be responsible with guns, should be the priority. I am all for a mandatory saftey class, just like getting a driver's license, before one is allowed to buy a gun. Many states, like mine, already have laws about keeping them locked, and laws about transporting. I would be interested to know if those type of laws were in the town where Lanza's mother kept her guns.

MOST responsible gun owners already take classes, know how to respect their weapons...why don't you all go after the crazies instead of making everyone else pay for your insane ideas..Instead you just leave them on the streets to kill innocents then come after the people who had nothing to do with

How in the fuck does one one determine a "responsible gun owner"? Tests? Leave No Gun Loon Left Behind? The day before Adam went on his melee, would you have called his mom, Nancy, a responsible owner?

Not if she knew of her sons issues and didn't take precautions to keep them out of his hands, no she would not fit my definition of "responsible" and you can't legislate away that kind of stupidity and irresponsibility.

 

[Oldguy]

Not if she knew of her sons issues and didn't take precautions to keep them out of his hands, no she would not fit my definition of "responsible" and you can't legislate away that kind of stupidity and irresponsibility.

Sure you can. You can make the gun owner criminally liable for whatever somebody does with his gun. Not in this woman's case, of course, because she's dead, but for the future.

Is that something we REALLY want to do?

 

[Lumpy 1]

What is the answer?

Something, or nothing? If something, what?

More opportunities, higher employment and a reason for being a moral citizen, especially for the young men and women getting their start in adult life.

 

[Gadawg73]

no, you wanting to FORCE PEOPLE to take them, nobody FORCES people people to take driver's Ed NOR is it required to take the driving test...

good gawd

You have to pass a driver course before you get the license.
Anyone with any knowledge of weapons knows that education is advised to be a requirement for those with no knowledge of weapons.
Specifically law enforcement and NRA advised it also.

true, so you're saying you agree with it being required

"Advised to be a requirement"
Plain English, read the above post after this one.
For those with no knowledge of weapons.
No law.

 

[Stephanie]

You have to pass a driver course before you get the license.
Anyone with any knowledge of weapons knows that education is advised to be a requirement for those with no knowledge of weapons.
Specifically law enforcement and NRA advised it also.

true, so you're saying you agree with it being required

"Advised to be a requirement"
Plain English, read the above post after this one.
For those with no knowledge of weapons.
No law.

k, carry on