I owe obama a big kiss a*** apology.

[Immanuel]

Okay, your answer is noted, although not necessarily agreed with.

What exactly would that have accomplished?

I pray the experts are working on this as we "speak" and have been since the accident happened regardless of Presidential politics.

What could the President have done that might have helped the situation itself?

Immie

I am sure the experts are working on it, but the politics still takes precedence.

Katz Fired From Oil-Spill Team Due to ‘Controversial Writings’ - BusinessWeek

Not sure what getting the experts together earlier would have accomplished, other than putting us about a month ahead in having a panel of experts working on it. If they are going to come up with the solution at all, it would be nice to have it faster.

From your link, he was "fired" from the team on or about May 18th. The explosion happened on April 20th. Less than a month before Dr. Katz was fired. Therefore, one would assume that the team had been organized sometime within the first couple of weeks of the disaster as it would take more than a day or two to determine that Dr. Katz' writings were a distraction.

Do you agree with that?

I don't see a date that the team was formed in the link, but I have to think it was no later than the first week of May or so? Which brings it to no later than 2.5 weeks after the explosion and more than likely it was formed earlier... at least I would think so.

Immie

 

[Quantum Windbag]

I don't know... call it pessimism.

I live near the shores of Tampa Bay. I'm concerned about this disaster, yet I realize Tampa so far has been lucky.

To blame the President for this as if he were the one that caused the explosion himself is pointless if you ask me. The people that should be blamed are the ones that either allowed the by-passing of the valve that could have minimized the damage and the ones that did so.

You cannot convince me that those with the know how on how to take care of this issue are waiting for the President to give the go ahead to do so. When and if someone comes up with an idea, I'm certain those steps will be taken.

Again, I don't blame Bush for the Katrina problems and quite frankly, I don't think President Obama deserves to have this issue tossed in his lap either.

Immie

I tend to be cynical myself, and, like you, I do not blame Obama for the spill, or even the fuck ups in cleaning it up. He does have to accept responsibility though, because that is how leadership works.

FEMA's response to Katrina was as fast as it could be because FEMA is not supposed to be on the ground until 3 days after it is called in, the adminstration has had weeks to get its act together for this, and the news networks are still finding things faster than they are. While this is not Obama's fault, as the president, it is his responsibility. The buck stops here means that he takes the heat.

My biggest problem with Obama is his constant attempts to deflect blame to others, and he is still doing that. Ne needs to stand up and admit that things are not ideal, that it is the governments fault, and then fix it by getting out of the way. He is incapable of doing that because his training is for problems that are not time critical.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

From your link, he was "fired" from the team on or about May 18th. The explosion happened on April 20th. Less than a month before Dr. Katz was fired. Therefore, one would assume that the team had been organized sometime within the first couple of weeks of the disaster as it would take more than a day or two to determine that Dr. Katz' writings were a distraction.

Do you agree with that?

I don't see a date that the team was formed in the link, but I have to think it was no later than the first week of May or so? Which brings it to no later than 2.5 weeks after the explosion and more than likely it was formed earlier... at least I would think so.

Immie

If only it worked that way. It only took a couple of days for him to get fired, and most people, including himself, have no idea why he was even named to be on the panel in the first place. What good is an astrophysics background in cleaning up an oil spill? I look it as indicative of the overall incompetence of the administration in vetting people, and solving problems. The fact that they also managed to overlook his well known controversial nature just adds to this image.

http://blogs.riverfronttimes.com/dailyrft/2010/05/washington_university_jonathan_katz_deepwater_horizon_gulf_oil_spill_obama.php

 

[Immanuel]

From your link, he was "fired" from the team on or about May 18th. The explosion happened on April 20th. Less than a month before Dr. Katz was fired. Therefore, one would assume that the team had been organized sometime within the first couple of weeks of the disaster as it would take more than a day or two to determine that Dr. Katz' writings were a distraction.

Do you agree with that?

I don't see a date that the team was formed in the link, but I have to think it was no later than the first week of May or so? Which brings it to no later than 2.5 weeks after the explosion and more than likely it was formed earlier... at least I would think so.

Immie

If only it worked that way. It only took a couple of days for him to get fired, and most people, including himself, have no idea why he was even named to be on the panel in the first place. What good is an astrophysics background in cleaning up an oil spill? I look it as indicative of the overall incompetence of the administration in vetting people, and solving problems. The fact that they also managed to overlook his well known controversial nature just adds to this image.

http://facebook.livingsocial.com/micro/ad_manager/t/frame?banner=true&campaign=EXTERNAL

For some reason I cannot load hat link. All I seem to get is an ad for sushi and quite frankly the thought of sushi... well grosses me out.

Immie

 

[hortysir]

I OWE OBAMA A BIG KISS A*** APOLOGY.



5,000 vessels on the spill. 17,000 national guards on the spill and 25,000 workers on the spill. Obama is on his jobs and still talking head complain. The situation would be much worse if he was not “doing nothing” as right wing village idiots accuse him of doing.

The oil is still gushing, and it is being cleaned up and just because it is not done fast enough they accuse Obama of “doing nothing.” And I believed them.



I owe Obama a big kiss a** apology because I was listening to talking heads like Jindal, Carville, Huckabee and FOXNEWS busting the chops because they did KNOW that Obama was on the job cleaning the mess up, but just did not want to give him credit.

That took a lot of guts, in this crowd, LOL

 

[hortysir]

I OWE OBAMA A BIG KISS A*** APOLOGY.



5,000 vessels on the spill. 17,000 national guards on the spill and 25,000 workers on the spill. Obama is on his jobs and still talking head complain. The situation would be much worse if he was not “doing nothing” as right wing village idiots accuse him of doing.

The oil is still gushing, and it is being cleaned up and just because it is not done fast enough they accuse Obama of “doing nothing.” And I believed them.



I owe Obama a big kiss a** apology because I was listening to talking heads like Jindal, Carville, Huckabee and FOXNEWS busting the chops because they did KNOW that Obama was on the job cleaning the mess up, but just did not want to give him credit.

They are there now ok but how long did it take them to get there? One month ago the dutch said they could help that help was denied.
Or I should say refused.

Didn't take long for someone to shit on a perfectly good apology.....

 

[Quantum Windbag]

From your link, he was "fired" from the team on or about May 18th. The explosion happened on April 20th. Less than a month before Dr. Katz was fired. Therefore, one would assume that the team had been organized sometime within the first couple of weeks of the disaster as it would take more than a day or two to determine that Dr. Katz' writings were a distraction.

Do you agree with that?

I don't see a date that the team was formed in the link, but I have to think it was no later than the first week of May or so? Which brings it to no later than 2.5 weeks after the explosion and more than likely it was formed earlier... at least I would think so.

Immie

If only it worked that way. It only took a couple of days for him to get fired, and most people, including himself, have no idea why he was even named to be on the panel in the first place. What good is an astrophysics background in cleaning up an oil spill? I look it as indicative of the overall incompetence of the administration in vetting people, and solving problems. The fact that they also managed to overlook his well known controversial nature just adds to this image.

http://facebook.livingsocial.com/micro/ad_manager/t/frame?banner=true&campaign=EXTERNAL

For some reason I cannot load hat link. All I seem to get is an ad for sushi and quite frankly the thought of sushi... well grosses me out.

Immie

Not sure how I did that, I edited and posted the correct link.

Controversial Wash U Prof Jonathan Katz Cut Loose From Gulf Oil Spill Relief - St. Louis News - Daily RFT

 

[Immanuel]

If only it worked that way. It only took a couple of days for him to get fired, and most people, including himself, have no idea why he was even named to be on the panel in the first place. What good is an astrophysics background in cleaning up an oil spill? I look it as indicative of the overall incompetence of the administration in vetting people, and solving problems. The fact that they also managed to overlook his well known controversial nature just adds to this image.

http://facebook.livingsocial.com/micro/ad_manager/t/frame?banner=true&campaign=EXTERNAL

For some reason I cannot load hat link. All I seem to get is an ad for sushi and quite frankly the thought of sushi... well grosses me out.

Immie

Not sure how I did that, I edited and posted the correct link.

Controversial Wash U Prof Jonathan Katz Cut Loose From Gulf Oil Spill Relief - St. Louis News - Daily RFT

I have to say... good thing you weren't checking out a porno site when you copied the link and playing further with that, I am very glad it was not a gay porno site!

Immie

 

[Immanuel]

I don't see anything that says how long he was with the team.

Immie

 

[NYcarbineer]

Bush declared a Federal emergency on the request of Gov Blanco that very day.
What point were you trying to make again?

My point? My point was that what you said:

unlike Katrina which was a city and state issue.

was idiocy.

And yet you proved it was a city and state issue until the governor requested a federal emergency declaration. Which Bush did immediately.
How many days was it before Obama declared a federal emergency? How many days before he reacted at all?

But you said Katrina wasn't a federal issue. So Bush should have turned down the governor's request, correct?

 

[editec]

Of course the government and BP are on the job.

They are failing, but given that they were drilling at 5000', solving this problem isn't exactly standard operating procedure.

Honestly you folks who imagine that anybody involved (in the public or private sectors) is dragging their feet in this mess are dumber than than a bag of bricks.

 

[The Rabbi]

My point? My point was that what you said:

unlike Katrina which was a city and state issue.

was idiocy.

And yet you proved it was a city and state issue until the governor requested a federal emergency declaration. Which Bush did immediately.
How many days was it before Obama declared a federal emergency? How many days before he reacted at all?

But you said Katrina wasn't a federal issue. So Bush should have turned down the governor's request, correct?

It wasn't a federal issue until the request was made.
In this case though it was Federal from the very beginning. So where was Obama?

 

[The Rabbi]

Of course the government and BP are on the job.

They are failing, but given that they were drilling at 5000', solving this problem isn't exactly standard operating procedure.

Honestly you folks who imagine that anybody involved (in the public or private sectors) is dragging their feet in this mess are dumber than than a bag of bricks.

Gov't dragged its feet. This is clear.
BP has the expertise, or is closer to having it, than gov't does. They have every incentive to shut down the well. So for Obama to accuse them of not being on top of it and needing their asses kicked and the CEO of BP fired betrays how out of touch he is.

 

[oreo]

I OWE OBAMA A BIG KISS A*** APOLOGY.



5,000 vessels on the spill. 17,000 national guards on the spill and 25,000 workers on the spill. Obama is on his jobs and still talking head complain. The situation would be much worse if he was not “doing nothing” as right wing village idiots accuse him of doing.

The oil is still gushing, and it is being cleaned up and just because it is not done fast enough they accuse Obama of “doing nothing.” And I believed them.



I owe Obama a big kiss a** apology because I was listening to talking heads like Jindal, Carville, Huckabee and FOXNEWS busting the chops because they did KNOW that Obama was on the job cleaning the mess up, but just did not want to give him credit.

---I believe all the equipment and ships you are seeing there came from the BP organized effort and not from this administration---

The equipment that has finally arrived on the "beach" of Louisiana--finally received approval from this administration "weeks" after it was requested.

Nice try though.-

 

[Avatar4321]

I OWE OBAMA A BIG KISS A*** APOLOGY.



5,000 vessels on the spill. 17,000 national guards on the spill and 25,000 workers on the spill. Obama is on his jobs and still talking head complain. The situation would be much worse if he was not “doing nothing” as right wing village idiots accuse him of doing.

The oil is still gushing, and it is being cleaned up and just because it is not done fast enough they accuse Obama of “doing nothing.” And I believed them.



I owe Obama a big kiss a** apology because I was listening to talking heads like Jindal, Carville, Huckabee and FOXNEWS busting the chops because they did KNOW that Obama was on the job cleaning the mess up, but just did not want to give him credit.

Do you have any link to support what your claiming?

Do you have any post where you were actually critical of Obama?

Because I've seen you post here. And President Obama could kill someone in cold blood a televised news conference, and you are one of the few people here that I am confident would be defending him.

 

[xsited1]

Seems to me that if they have collected $1.5 Billion in gas taxes that were to be set aside for this type of catastrophe, then they should have had provisions to handle THIS sort of thing.

I say if, because I have only heard rumors that the $1.5 Billion has been collected. I have not researched it.

Immie

It's called the The Oil Spill Liability Trust Fund.

The Oil Spill Liability Trust Fund

http://masglp.olemiss.edu/Advisory/OSLTF%20Fact%20Sheet.pdf

The OSLTF receives funds from four primary sources: (1) an oil tax (five cents a barrel on domestically produced or imported oil collected from the oil industry; this is suspended when the fund reaches $1 billion but may be reinstated if the fund falls below this amount); (2) interest on fund principal; (3) cost recovery from responsible parties (The parties responsible for oil spills are liable for costs and damages. All monies recovered go either back to replenish the Fund or to the U.S. Treasury); and (4) penalties (to include civil penalties assessed to the responsible parties).

Thanks xsited1 and note to Care it is an oil tax not a gas tax. You were right, so whip me with a wet noodle, but nothing stronger please!

Immie

Be careful. I hear that Care enjoys hitting guys with a wet noodle.

 

[NYcarbineer]

[No one is blaming Obama for the oil spill. That is a strawman put out by the Obamabots.
What we are blaming him for is something he can control, namely his own lame reaction to the whole thing.

I've already proven that people right here have blamed Obama for the spill.

 

[Big Fitz]

I would like to know one thing. Who sent the vessels? BP, other oil companies helping, private citizens or military? Or are we now claiming P-BO sent all 9000. Would this be before the 8 days where he did nothing... or after?

Here, get a new perspective from the "Criminal Media".

The Spill, The Scandal and the President | Rolling Stone Politics

BTW: 8 days after the Exxon Valdez disaster the Dallas Morning News was criticizing HW Bush as too little too late for doing anything, and he had done more than what the P-BO administration had done for a much smaller disaster. Just something to consider.

 

[The Rabbi]

[No one is blaming Obama for the oil spill. That is a strawman put out by the Obamabots.
What we are blaming him for is something he can control, namely his own lame reaction to the whole thing.

I've already proven that people right here have blamed Obama for the spill.

People here have blamed Bush for their bunions. It is irrelevant. But I doubt what you say anyway as you have a history of distortion.

 

[blastoff]

Okay, who woke up this old hag again?