Hypocrisy within the modern Christian Community

[koshergrl]

You bet.

 

[rdean]

What does that make you?

Honest and truthful. Just like that video I made. Hey, did you like the sound of my voice?

You wouldn't know honest and truthful if it was proclaimed from holy angels right before your eyes.

Just saying someone is dishonest rings hollow unless you can prove it. You can't prove it. Therefore, you are as hollow and empty as a Cali Girl's head.

 

[laughinReaper]

I notice that there are many Christians who profess their love for Christ but they have a tendency to not extend their compassion towards others, most specifically, their Abrahamic neighbors, Muslims. But more importantly, I see a lot of Christians both online and offline that have a tendency to criticize others but they themselves are not doing what they're supposed to (as far as Christianity is concerned). A good example is Ted Haggard who openly opposed homosexuality but it was found out that he himself was homosexual. Or the so-called "good Christians" who professed their belief in Jesus as their Lord and Savior but castrated and hung blacks? In the Bible Jesus said:

"Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter. Many will say to Me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?' And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.' " (Matthew 7:21-23)

Its amazing that there are Christians who will bad mouth Islam yet profess to be Christian, and upon asking why are they bad mouthing a faith, most will say "its free speech." But its not free speech that I'm concerned about its about professing a belief in a tolerant philosophy such as the one Jesus believed in yet their speech is so intolerant towards others. So my question to that is what justifies intolerant speech or intolerant belief? Is it the Constitution? Is it because your American?

How does one reconcile intolerant speech with their religious beliefs? How can you be for Christ who spoke about justice, compassion, and love, yet your speech towards others contradicts what Jesus taught?

Matthew 23:27
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness.
Matthew 23:26-28 (in Context) Matthew 23 (Whole Chapter) Other Translations


1.John 2:14
And found in the temple those that sold oxen and sheep and doves, and the changers of money sitting:
John 2:13-15 (in Context) John 2 (Whole Chapter) Other Translations
2.John 2:15
And when he had made a scourge of small cords, he drove them all out of the temple, and the sheep, and the oxen; and poured out the changers' money, and overthrew the tables;
John 2:14-16 (in Context) John 2 (Whole Chapter) Other Translations


Luke 11:44
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are as graves which appear not, and the men that walk over them are not aware of them.
Luke 11:43-45 (in Context) Luke 11 (Whole Chapter) Other Translations

Matthew 23:25
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and excess.

Matthew 23:14
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation.


As you can plainly see,Jesus had no problem pointing out what was wrong. If I see Muslims making a mistake following Mohammad,should I let them be cast to hell just to be nice about it or should I try to point out the error? Jesus KNEW there would be false Prophets but Muslims didn't get the memo. The hostility could be because it's hard to be nice to people who want to kill you. It could also be because we know Islam is satans religion and we do hate God's enemy. As for being a hippocrate, that may be, but if you think all those do gooders in fancy million dollar churches, fine robes, gold and silver goblets,and getting rich off the tithes they are given are going to be in a better position on Judgement day that those slamming Islam on this board, you're as sadly mistaken as they are.

Mathew 24
11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.

24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

"Islam is Satan's religion"

hmmm

Well from my limited understanding Muslims are called to submit to one authority, that being God. I believe in The Exordium (Opening) it says:

"All praise is due to Allah, The Lord of the universe."

Muslims understand that God is the supreme ruler and that Satan or Shaytan really has no true power. I would find that this would be a commonality between Muslims and Christians. I would highly doubt any Christian would disagree that God is the Lord of the universe.

As far as telling Muslims they're belief is wrong, well, there is a difference between respectfully disagreeing with a Muslim then telling them they are going to hell. Cause after all the judgment of heaven and hell is for God to decide right? In addition, who knows they could be right and you could be wrong......

Mohammad is not a prophet therefore the koran and Hadiths and all Mohammad created as a religion is also wrong.


Deuteronomy 18:20-22

King James Version (KJV)


20 But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die.

21 And if thou say in thine heart, How shall we know the word which the Lord hath not spoken?

22 When a prophet speaketh in the name of the Lord, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the Lord hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him.


2 Peter 2

New International Version (NIV)


False Teachers and Their Destruction

2 But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them—bringing swift destruction on themselves. 2 Many will follow their depraved conduct and will bring the way of truth into disrepute. 3 In their greed these teachers will exploit you with fabricated stories. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping.

 

[Avatar4321]

Honest and truthful. Just like that video I made. Hey, did you like the sound of my voice?

You wouldn't know honest and truthful if it was proclaimed from holy angels right before your eyes.

Just saying someone is dishonest rings hollow unless you can prove it. You can't prove it. Therefore, you are as hollow and empty as a Cali Girl's head.

Everyone post you make proves it.

 

[Aristotle]

You don't know Muhammad was NOT a prophet. That is your subjective view, which you have every right to express but does not mean its factual.

 

[laughinReaper]

You don't know Muhammad was NOT a prophet. That is your subjective view, which you have every right to express but does not mean its factual.

From a JudeoChristian perpsective he's not a Prophet because he breaks the prophet rule. This makes him a prophet of what? Muslims? Well if that's what they want to believe,OK that's fine. He is a prophet of just the Muslims and at least that's the truth. So why is it wrong to tell them he is a false prophet and allah is not the JudeoChristian God YHWH and if they believe they are worshipping the same as us they are mistaken. I don't have Issues with Buddists because they don't claim their god is the same as my God.

BTW does anyone know what Mohammad Prophesied? I know he gave the Muslims the Koran/Hadiths, but that's not being a prophet, that's handing down teachings. What were his predictions?

 

[AmyNation]

You don't know Muhammad was NOT a prophet. That is your subjective view, which you have every right to express but does not mean its factual.

From a JudeoChristian perpsective he's not a Prophet because he breaks the prophet rule. This makes him a prophet of what? Muslims? Well if that's what they want to believe,OK that's fine. He is a prophet of just the Muslims and at least that's the truth. So why is it wrong to tell them he is a false prophet and allah is not the JudeoChristian God YHWH and if they believe they are worshipping the same as us they are mistaken. I don't have Issues with Buddists because they don't claim their god is the same as my God.

BTW does anyone know what Mohammad Prophesied? I know he gave the Muslims the Koran/Hadiths, but that's not being a prophet, that's handing down teachings. What were his predictions?

That is your opinion and not held by all Christians.

The Cathloic chruch, for example, teaches that Islam is to be honored as they too worship the God of Abraham.

 

[del]

Or mayhap atheist.

It's hard to tell atheists from Muslims because they both defend Islam and attack Christians.

Do you try to be the poster child for the stereotypical angry bitter intolerant Christian, or does it just come naturally?

the meth and cheap whiskey help

 

[Quantum Windbag]

You don't know Muhammad was NOT a prophet. That is your subjective view, which you have every right to express but does not mean its factual.

Let me see, the Bible says that the way to test prophets is to listen to what they say, and that anything they predict has to come true. If what they predict is false, they are proven not to be prophets. Even if you want to insist that the Bible is not authoritative on defining prophets, I think we can agree that prophets who make false prophecies are false prophets.

Muhammad's False Prophecies

 

[Quantum Windbag]

You don't know Muhammad was NOT a prophet. That is your subjective view, which you have every right to express but does not mean its factual.

From a JudeoChristian perpsective he's not a Prophet because he breaks the prophet rule. This makes him a prophet of what? Muslims? Well if that's what they want to believe,OK that's fine. He is a prophet of just the Muslims and at least that's the truth. So why is it wrong to tell them he is a false prophet and allah is not the JudeoChristian God YHWH and if they believe they are worshipping the same as us they are mistaken. I don't have Issues with Buddists because they don't claim their god is the same as my God.

BTW does anyone know what Mohammad Prophesied? I know he gave the Muslims the Koran/Hadiths, but that's not being a prophet, that's handing down teachings. What were his predictions?

That is your opinion and not held by all Christians.

The Cathloic chruch, for example, teaches that Islam is to be honored as they too worship the God of Abraham.

They teach no such thing.

 

[BecauseIKnow]

You don't know Muhammad was NOT a prophet. That is your subjective view, which you have every right to express but does not mean its factual.

From a JudeoChristian perpsective he's not a Prophet because he breaks the prophet rule. This makes him a prophet of what? Muslims? Well if that's what they want to believe,OK that's fine. He is a prophet of just the Muslims and at least that's the truth. So why is it wrong to tell them he is a false prophet and allah is not the JudeoChristian God YHWH and if they believe they are worshipping the same as us they are mistaken. I don't have Issues with Buddists because they don't claim their god is the same as my God.

BTW does anyone know what Mohammad Prophesied? I know he gave the Muslims the Koran/Hadiths, but that's not being a prophet, that's handing down teachings. What were his predictions?

No that's not a judeo perspective.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

You don't know Muhammad was NOT a prophet. That is your subjective view, which you have every right to express but does not mean its factual.

From a JudeoChristian perpsective he's not a Prophet because he breaks the prophet rule. This makes him a prophet of what? Muslims? Well if that's what they want to believe,OK that's fine. He is a prophet of just the Muslims and at least that's the truth. So why is it wrong to tell them he is a false prophet and allah is not the JudeoChristian God YHWH and if they believe they are worshipping the same as us they are mistaken. I don't have Issues with Buddists because they don't claim their god is the same as my God.

BTW does anyone know what Mohammad Prophesied? I know he gave the Muslims the Koran/Hadiths, but that's not being a prophet, that's handing down teachings. What were his predictions?

No that's not a judeo perspective.

The Jewish perspective is that the last prophets were Haggai, Zechariah, and Malachi, and that G-d speaks through the בת קול (Bat Kol.)

 

[BecauseIKnow]

From a JudeoChristian perpsective he's not a Prophet because he breaks the prophet rule. This makes him a prophet of what? Muslims? Well if that's what they want to believe,OK that's fine. He is a prophet of just the Muslims and at least that's the truth. So why is it wrong to tell them he is a false prophet and allah is not the JudeoChristian God YHWH and if they believe they are worshipping the same as us they are mistaken. I don't have Issues with Buddists because they don't claim their god is the same as my God.

BTW does anyone know what Mohammad Prophesied? I know he gave the Muslims the Koran/Hadiths, but that's not being a prophet, that's handing down teachings. What were his predictions?

No that's not a judeo perspective.

The Jewish perspective is that the last prophets were Haggai, Zechariah, and Malachi, and that G-d speaks through the בת קול (Bat Kol.)

I've spoken to Jewish people. They believe in their religon but not all of them doubt Muhammad could have been a real prophet. They believe he came for Arabia and not for them. That's some. Not all of them. And it's not all judeo Christian because Jews and Muslims don't all believe in Jesus's divinity

 

[whitehall]

Ancient history is ....ancient history. A kid today can get arrested for wearing a Crucifix or carrying a Bible in an American union based public school. Don't even ask about a prayer group after school hours. A 50 year old Korean War memorial in San Diego was ordered demolished after the ACLU sued on behalf of a single agnostic nut case who was offended by the 40 ft Cross. A half century old plaque of the Ten Commandments that bothered nobody on a Court House wall was demolished by federal agents armed with sledge hammers after a suit by the ACLU. Rural communities cannot risk authorizing a century old tradition of a Christmas tree in a public square because of a threat that the ACLU that could bankrupt the town with a law suit and yet the agnostic freaking anti-Christian hypocrites celebrate the annual Christmas tree lighting in Washington D.C. and say a prayer before Congressional sessions.

 

[laughinReaper]

You don't know Muhammad was NOT a prophet. That is your subjective view, which you have every right to express but does not mean its factual.

From a JudeoChristian perpsective he's not a Prophet because he breaks the prophet rule. This makes him a prophet of what? Muslims? Well if that's what they want to believe,OK that's fine. He is a prophet of just the Muslims and at least that's the truth. So why is it wrong to tell them he is a false prophet and allah is not the JudeoChristian God YHWH and if they believe they are worshipping the same as us they are mistaken. I don't have Issues with Buddists because they don't claim their god is the same as my God.

BTW does anyone know what Mohammad Prophesied? I know he gave the Muslims the Koran/Hadiths, but that's not being a prophet, that's handing down teachings. What were his predictions?

No that's not a judeo perspective.

So Jews believe in Mohammad? They consider him a prophet? They follow his teachings?

 

[BecauseIKnow]

From a JudeoChristian perpsective he's not a Prophet because he breaks the prophet rule. This makes him a prophet of what? Muslims? Well if that's what they want to believe,OK that's fine. He is a prophet of just the Muslims and at least that's the truth. So why is it wrong to tell them he is a false prophet and allah is not the JudeoChristian God YHWH and if they believe they are worshipping the same as us they are mistaken. I don't have Issues with Buddists because they don't claim their god is the same as my God.

BTW does anyone know what Mohammad Prophesied? I know he gave the Muslims the Koran/Hadiths, but that's not being a prophet, that's handing down teachings. What were his predictions?

No that's not a judeo perspective.

So Jews believe in Mohammad? They consider him a prophet? They follow his teachings?

Some Jews I've might a very few of them believe so but for the Arabs. Most don't but a few have but I would advise you to speak on your religon. Jewish people can answer for themselves. Most probably don't anyways

 

[Quantum Windbag]

No that's not a judeo perspective.

The Jewish perspective is that the last prophets were Haggai, Zechariah, and Malachi, and that G-d speaks through the בת קול (Bat Kol.)

I've spoken to Jewish people. They believe in their religon but not all of them doubt Muhammad could have been a real prophet. They believe he came for Arabia and not for them. That's some. Not all of them. And it's not all judeo Christian because Jews and Muslims don't all believe in Jesus's divinity

I know Christians that think Ayn Rand was a prophet, that doesn't make it the Christian position, it just makes it nuts.

If your statement is as true as mine, you are a liar. If it isn't, they are.

 

[AmyNation]

From a JudeoChristian perpsective he's not a Prophet because he breaks the prophet rule. This makes him a prophet of what? Muslims? Well if that's what they want to believe,OK that's fine. He is a prophet of just the Muslims and at least that's the truth. So why is it wrong to tell them he is a false prophet and allah is not the JudeoChristian God YHWH and if they believe they are worshipping the same as us they are mistaken. I don't have Issues with Buddists because they don't claim their god is the same as my God.

BTW does anyone know what Mohammad Prophesied? I know he gave the Muslims the Koran/Hadiths, but that's not being a prophet, that's handing down teachings. What were his predictions?

That is your opinion and not held by all Christians.

The Cathloic chruch, for example, teaches that Islam is to be honored as they too worship the God of Abraham.

They teach no such thing.

Brief Overview of Church Teaching on Islam

 

[ecks_why]

That is your opinion and not held by all Christians.

The Cathloic chruch, for example, teaches that Islam is to be honored as they too worship the God of Abraham.

They teach no such thing.

Brief Overview of Church Teaching on Islam

well to be fair, you should note that the 1st word in that link is "liberal" yes ? quoting directly from vatican 2 without using the current catechism from 2001 ? typical eh ? even the USA Catechism for Adults (not online i think) is not that liberal in it's treatment of islam

why not also look at what more "faithful" catholics are saying/typing about islam ? catholic.com is fairly orthodox, ie. close to the catechism, when it comes to the material they are pushing which usually has imprimaturs & nihil obstats etc. or poke around fisheaters.com for a bit harder line etc

http://www.catholic.com/search/content/islam
several pages of links

http://www.catholic.com/documents/endless-jihad-the-truth-about-islam-and-violence
In the days after September 11, 2001, American leaders rushed to portray Islam as a peaceful religion that had been "hijacked" by a fanatical band of terrorists. One hopes that these assurances were merely tactical—that nobody was meant to believe them and that they were meant to assure the Muslim world that the inevitable American reprisals were not directed at their religion as a whole.

If the world Muslim community perceived America as attacking Islam in general then the duty of every Muslim to fight for his religion—the duty of jihad—would have been invoked on a broad scale. The war against terrorism, instead of simmering with occasional flare-ups, like the Cold War, would have boiled over into a global conflagration, with the Muslim countries of the world—1.2 billion strong—mobilizing against America and the West.

Muslim apologists also rushed forward to assure the public that Islam was a peaceful religion. They disingenuously declared that the word Islam means "peace." And they tried to portray the terrorists as a fringe group outside the mainstream of Islam.

These were lies.

The usual meaning of Islam in Arabic is not "peace" but "submission." And if the terrorists were so far outside the mainstream, why did Muslims all over the world burst into joyful, spontaneous celebrations when the hijacked jetliners slammed into the World Trade Center and the Pentagon? Why are Islamic governments afraid to show "too much" public support for the war against terrorism? Further, why are all the governments that covertly support terrorism centered in the Muslim world?...

http://www.catholic.com/documents/just-war-doctrine
This guide is a primer on just war doctrine. Because it is meant to be of use to Americans evaluating conflicts in the war on terrorism, it is written with an eye towards the present conflict.

THE ROOTS OF JUST WAR DOCTRINE

In the Beatitudes, Jesus tells us "blessed are the peacemakers" (Matt. 5:9). Elsewhere in the Sermon on the Mount he tells us "if any one strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also" (Matt. 5:39). From such verses some have concluded that Christianity is a pacifist religion and that violence is never permitted.

But the same Jesus elsewhere acknowledges the legitimate use of force, telling the apostles, "let him who has no sword sell his mantle and buy one" (Luke 22:36). How are these passages to be reconciled?

In broad terms, Christians must not love violence. They must promote peace whenever possible and be slow to resort to the use of arms. But they must not be afraid to do so when it is called for. Evil must not be allowed to remain unchecked....

 

[AmyNation]

Catholics teach that Muslims and Jews are brothers in faith. They worship they same God as us but haven't accepted the trinity yet.