"Hubris": New Documentary Reexamines the Iraq War "Hoax"

[rdean]

We all kinda knew it already.

Yeah, this is like, some extremely old news. If they reveal in some startlingly obvious way that the war has been privatized and is still going on? Well, then it would be interesting. I'd sure like to know about the accountability of all the private contractors to the American Public, but sadly, there is none.

Most people think the conflict there is over, but it isn't. It is just at a very low level. Added to that, we have reinserted troops in the Northern Provinces ever since there has been trouble in Syria. The whole damn place is a mess, but it isn't covered in the press. Are deaths in the largest private contract army on earth still considered American deaths? Or are those just private fatalities, "the cost of doing business?"

Over 3,000 US troops have secretly returned to Iraq via Kuwait for missions pertaining to the recent developments in Syria and northern Iraq, Press TV reports.


According to our correspondent, the US troops have secretly entered Iraq in multiple stages and are mostly stationed at Balad military garrison in Salahuddin province and al-Asad air base in al-Anbar province.

Reports say the troops include US Army officers and almost 17,000 more are set to secretly return to Iraq via the same route.

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2012/12/09/277127/3000-us-troops-secretly-return-to-iraq/

No, the U.S. is not leaving Iraq

http://www.salon.com/2011/12/17/no_the_u_s_is_not_leaving_iraq/

A private military contractor gestures to colleagues flying overhead in a helicopter as they secure the scene of a roadside bomb attack in Baghdad.(Credit: AP)

In a speech at Fort Bragg, N.C., Wednesday, President Obama declared that the war in Iraq is over.

“I’ve come to speak to you about the end of the war in Iraq,” he told gathered troops. “Over the last few months, the final work of leaving Iraq has been done. Dozens of bases with American names that housed thousands of American troops have been closed down or turned over to the Iraqis. Thousands of tons of equipment have been packed up and shipped out. Tomorrow, the colors of United States Forces-Iraq — the colors you fought under — will be formally cased in a ceremony in Baghdad.”

All the specifics were true. But what about Obama’s claim that the war has come to a end?

The truth is more complicated. It turns out the Obama administration is leaving behind a huge contingent from the State Department along with thousands of armed private contractors. The possibility for violence between Americans and Iraqis is very real.

To dig into the details, I spoke to Spencer Ackerman, who has been covering the issue closely for Wired’s Danger Room.

So in your estimation, is the war actually over?

It’s going to shift into a more sotto voce form. It’s going to be a lot subtler. But it most certainly is continuing. Just because we don’t have a U.S. troop presence anymore or a formal U.S. chain of command anymore, does not mean that the war is over.

Sooooo, the question remains. If the whole thing is a hoax, why does the current administration continue on with this belligerent policy?!?! Why do we force our national interests and crush the Iraqi people under the boot-heel of suppression of neo- imperialism? Oh yeah, that's right, b/c there isn't a dime's worth of difference between the two parties when they get down to discussing policy at the Pratt House in New York.

Morality and Human Rights don't mean shit. Only global conquest and plunder matter.

Because a terrible mess was created and a political vacuum in a dangerous area of the world. Sometimes, responsible adults just don't walk away. We aren't all Republican.

 

[rdean]

George Washington would be lost in today's world.

At least he knows how to read. I think you are the one who is lost. Apparently all you know how to do is watch TV and listen to the radio, eh mate?

Ever even take a class in political science or political philosophy? I am thinking probably not. That is why you would think that a man who has read Locke, Berkly, Hume, Smith and all of the Great Social Political philosophers that our nation was founded on, you so blithely brush aside.

The only excuse for your ignorance is sloth. Your cavalier attitude toward your ignorance is disheartening. I see we have no more to discuss. A pre-conditioned mind incapable of independent thought is not worth my time. If all you have in response to reasoned research and qualified arguments are snarky nonsensical quips, your positions don't hold any water.

It's time to come to terms with the fact that the only reason you like your brand of soft drink is the advertising, not the flavor.

That is such bullshit. Obama was all set to close Guantanamo. The generals said it was a terrible recruiting tool for al Qaeda.

Republicans at first criticized Obama for keeping it open. Then when he began the process of closing it, they SCREAMED that he was going to release terrorists on your city streets and in your backyard. It was only a couple of years ago and still Republicans on this board pretend that's not what happened.

You have to wait longer than 5 years to rewrite history. Haven't they learned anything?

 

[rdean]

George Washington would be lost in today's world.

At least he knows how to read. I think you are the one who is lost. Apparently all you know how to do is watch TV and listen to the radio, eh mate?

Ever even take a class in political science or political philosophy? I am thinking probably not. That is why you would think that a man who has read Locke, Berkly, Hume, Smith and all of the Great Social Political philosophers that our nation was founded on, you so blithely brush aside.

The only excuse for your ignorance is sloth. Your cavalier attitude toward your ignorance is disheartening. I see we have no more to discuss. A pre-conditioned mind incapable of independent thought is not worth my time. If all you have in response to reasoned research and qualified arguments are snarky nonsensical quips, your positions don't hold any water.

It's time to come to terms with the fact that the only reason you like your brand of soft drink is the advertising, not the flavor.

That is such bullshit. Obama was all set to close Guantanamo. The generals said it was a terrible recruiting tool for al Qaeda.

Republicans at first criticized Obama for keeping it open. Then when he began the process of closing it, they SCREAMED that he was going to release terrorists on your city streets and in your backyard. It was only a couple of years ago and still Republicans on this board pretend that's not what happened.

You have to wait longer than 5 years to rewrite history. Haven't they learned anything?

You can go down that list and every item makes Republicans look more and more ridiculous.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

GEEZ... Were all these Democrats in on this HOAX also???
32 democrat quotes indicate even before GWB that Saddam was a threat!
ALL these are DEMOCRATS that wanted Saddam gone!
Clinton bombed Saddam almost more then GHBush did!

"..deny Iraq the capacity to develop WMD".Bill Clinton,1998
"..most brutal dictators of Century", Biden,1998
"Iraq compliance with Resolution 687 becomes shell game"..Daschle 1998
"He will use those WMDs again,as he has ten times since 1983" ..Berger Clinton Ntl. Secur. Advr 1998
"posed by Iraq's refusal to end its WMD programs" Levin 1998
"Saddam has been engaged in development of WMDs which is a threat.."Pelosi 1998
"Hussein has chosen to spend his money on building WMDS.."Albright 1999
"Saddam to refine delivery systems, that will threaten the US..."Graham 2001
"Saddam has ignored the mandate of the UN and is building WMDs and the means to deliver.." Levin 2002
"Iraq's search for WMDs ...will continue as long as Saddam's in power"..Gore 2002
"Saddam retains stockpiles of WMDS.."Byrd 2002
"..give President authority to use force..to disarm Saddam because an arsenal of WMDs..threat our security"..Kerry 2002
"..Unmistakable evidence Saddam developing nuclear weapons next 5 years.."Rockefeller 2002
"Violated over 11 years every UN resolution demanding disarming WMDs.."Waxman 2002
"He's given aid,comfort & sanctuary to al Qaeda members..and keep developing WMDs"..Hillary 2002
"Compelling evidence Saddam has WMDs production storage capacity.." Graham 2002
"Without a question, we need to disarm Saddam. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime .... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction .... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real ...."Kerry , Jan. 23. 2003.

Explain why Clinton said this after bombing Iraq???

In the first three months of 1999, U.S. led-forces bombarded Iraq with 241,000 pounds of bombsjust shy of the 253,000 pounds dropped under President Bush in the eight months leading up to the final UN resolution before the war.
The Raw Story | Clinton bombing of Iraq far exceeded Bush's in run-up to war; Bush 'spikes of activity' questioned

By August of 1999, American and British pilots had fired more than 1,100 missiles against 359 targets that year alone.
THIS WAS ALL DONE BY CLINTON...
So based on Clinton's experience oh and just a little event called 9/11
What the f...k would you have done differently!
YOU had Saddam a murderer of 50,000 kurds, who destroyed Mesopotamia displacing 500,000 people his sons using drills on tongues.. and
YOU would have sat and continued dialogue AFTER 9/11?

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YOh-rpvjYg]Family Guy - Undecided Voters - YouTube[/ame]​

 

[Mr. Shaman]

GEEZ... Were all these Democrats in on this HOAX also???
32 democrat quotes indicate even before GWB that Saddam was a threat!
ALL these are DEMOCRATS that wanted Saddam gone!
Clinton bombed Saddam almost more then GHBush did!

"..deny Iraq the capacity to develop WMD".Bill Clinton,1998
"..most brutal dictators of Century", Biden,1998
"Iraq compliance with Resolution 687 becomes shell game"..Daschle 1998
"He will use those WMDs again,as he has ten times since 1983" ..Berger Clinton Ntl. Secur. Advr 1998
"posed by Iraq's refusal to end its WMD programs" Levin 1998
"Saddam has been engaged in development of WMDs which is a threat.."Pelosi 1998
"Hussein has chosen to spend his money on building WMDS.."Albright 1999
"Saddam to refine delivery systems, that will threaten the US..."Graham 2001
"Saddam has ignored the mandate of the UN and is building WMDs and the means to deliver.." Levin 2002
"Iraq's search for WMDs ...will continue as long as Saddam's in power"..Gore 2002
"Saddam retains stockpiles of WMDS.."Byrd 2002
"..give President authority to use force..to disarm Saddam because an arsenal of WMDs..threat our security"..Kerry 2002
"..Unmistakable evidence Saddam developing nuclear weapons next 5 years.."Rockefeller 2002
"Violated over 11 years every UN resolution demanding disarming WMDs.."Waxman 2002
"He's given aid,comfort & sanctuary to al Qaeda members..and keep developing WMDs"..Hillary 2002
"Compelling evidence Saddam has WMDs production storage capacity.." Graham 2002
"Without a question, we need to disarm Saddam. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime .... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction .... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real ...."Kerry , Jan. 23. 2003.

Explain why Clinton said this after bombing Iraq???

In the first three months of 1999, U.S. led-forces bombarded Iraq with 241,000 pounds of bombsjust shy of the 253,000 pounds dropped under President Bush in the eight months leading up to the final UN resolution before the war.
The Raw Story | Clinton bombing of Iraq far exceeded Bush's in run-up to war; Bush 'spikes of activity' questioned

By August of 1999, American and British pilots had fired more than 1,100 missiles against 359 targets that year alone.
THIS WAS ALL DONE BY CLINTON...
So based on Clinton's experience oh and just a little event called 9/11
What the f...k would you have done differently!
YOU had Saddam a murderer of 50,000 kurds, who destroyed Mesopotamia displacing 500,000 people his sons using drills on tongues.. and
YOU would have sat and continued dialogue AFTER 9/11?

they want to forget all those so they can push their lie Bush lied

Yeah.....it'd be wrong to give Lil' Dumbya ALL the credit.....

The LIARS' War​

 

[billyerock1991]

We all kinda knew it already.

Yeah, but it's good to be reminded of such a stupid atrocity so it isn't repeated.

it also reminds these republicans here that the 3 trillion dollars that was passed on to the Obama administration wasn't racked up by Dem/Liberlas spending ... something they accuse the dem/liberals of doing quit often

 

[Stephanie]

lol, a book by David Corn..

must of been a comic book

 

[Sallow]

By David Corn

An MSNBC film, hosted by Rachel Maddow and based on Michael Isikoff and David Corn's book, finds new evidence that Bush scammed the nation into war.

A decade ago, on March 19, 2003, President George W. Bush launched the invasion of Iraq that would lead to a nine-year war resulting in 4,486 dead American troops, 32,226 service members wounded, and over 100,000 dead Iraqi civilians. The tab for the war topped $3 trillion. Bush did succeed in removing Saddam Hussein, but it turned out there were no weapons of mass destruction and no significant operational ties between Saddam's regime and Al Qaeda. That is, the two main assertions used by Bush and his crew to justify the war were not true. Three years after the war began, Michael Isikoff, then an investigative reporter for Newsweek (he's since moved to NBC News), and I published Hubris: The Inside Story of Spin, Scandal, and the Selling of the Iraq War, a behind-the-scenes account of how Bush, Vice President Dick Cheney, and their lieutenants deployed false claims, iffy intelligence, and unsupported hyperbole to win popular backing for the invasion.

Our book—hailed by the New York Times as "the most comprehensive account of the White House's political machinations"—was the first cut at an important topic: how a president had swindled the nation into war with a deliberate effort to hype the threat. The book is now the basis for an MSNBC documentary of the same name that marks the 10th anniversary of the Iraq war. Hosted by Rachel Maddow, the film premieres Monday night in her usual time slot (9PM ET/PT). But the documentary goes beyond what Isikoff and I covered in Hubris, presenting new scoops and showing that the complete story of the selling of that war has yet to be told.

One chilling moment in the film comes in an interview with retired General Anthony Zinni, a former commander in chief of US Central Command. In August 2002, the Bush-Cheney administration opened its propaganda campaign for war with a Cheney speech at the annual Veterans of Foreign Wars convention. The veep made a stark declaration: "There is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons of mass destruction. There is no doubt he is amassing them to use against our friends, against our allies, and against us." No doubt, he proclaimed, Saddam was arming himself with WMD in preparation for attacking the United States.

Zinni was sitting on the stage during the speech, and in the documentary he recalls his reaction:

It was a shock. It was a total shock. I couldn't believe the vice president was saying this, you know? In doing work with the CIA on Iraq WMD, through all the briefings I heard at Langley, I never saw one piece of credible evidence that there was an ongoing program. And that's when I began to believe they're getting serious about this. They wanna go into Iraq.​

That Zinni quote should almost end the debate on whether the Bush-Cheney administration purposefully guided the nation into war with misinformation and disinformation.

Continued...

"Hubris": New Documentary Reexamines the Iraq War "Hoax" | Mother Jones

Saw it last night.

It was devastating. It focused on 2 bullet points. Extremely detailed and well researched.

It's unreal there are no investigations into this..because the government should NEVER be allowed to do this again.

 

[Stephanie]

By David Corn

An MSNBC film, hosted by Rachel Maddow and based on Michael Isikoff and David Corn's book, finds new evidence that Bush scammed the nation into war.

A decade ago, on March 19, 2003, President George W. Bush launched the invasion of Iraq that would lead to a nine-year war resulting in 4,486 dead American troops, 32,226 service members wounded, and over 100,000 dead Iraqi civilians. The tab for the war topped $3 trillion. Bush did succeed in removing Saddam Hussein, but it turned out there were no weapons of mass destruction and no significant operational ties between Saddam's regime and Al Qaeda. That is, the two main assertions used by Bush and his crew to justify the war were not true. Three years after the war began, Michael Isikoff, then an investigative reporter for Newsweek (he's since moved to NBC News), and I published Hubris: The Inside Story of Spin, Scandal, and the Selling of the Iraq War, a behind-the-scenes account of how Bush, Vice President Dick Cheney, and their lieutenants deployed false claims, iffy intelligence, and unsupported hyperbole to win popular backing for the invasion.

Our book—hailed by the New York Times as "the most comprehensive account of the White House's political machinations"—was the first cut at an important topic: how a president had swindled the nation into war with a deliberate effort to hype the threat. The book is now the basis for an MSNBC documentary of the same name that marks the 10th anniversary of the Iraq war. Hosted by Rachel Maddow, the film premieres Monday night in her usual time slot (9PM ET/PT). But the documentary goes beyond what Isikoff and I covered in Hubris, presenting new scoops and showing that the complete story of the selling of that war has yet to be told.

One chilling moment in the film comes in an interview with retired General Anthony Zinni, a former commander in chief of US Central Command. In August 2002, the Bush-Cheney administration opened its propaganda campaign for war with a Cheney speech at the annual Veterans of Foreign Wars convention. The veep made a stark declaration: "There is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons of mass destruction. There is no doubt he is amassing them to use against our friends, against our allies, and against us." No doubt, he proclaimed, Saddam was arming himself with WMD in preparation for attacking the United States.

Zinni was sitting on the stage during the speech, and in the documentary he recalls his reaction:

It was a shock. It was a total shock. I couldn't believe the vice president was saying this, you know? In doing work with the CIA on Iraq WMD, through all the briefings I heard at Langley, I never saw one piece of credible evidence that there was an ongoing program. And that's when I began to believe they're getting serious about this. They wanna go into Iraq.​

That Zinni quote should almost end the debate on whether the Bush-Cheney administration purposefully guided the nation into war with misinformation and disinformation.

Continued...

"Hubris": New Documentary Reexamines the Iraq War "Hoax" | Mother Jones

Saw it last night.

It was devastating. It focused on 2 bullet points. Extremely detailed and well researched.

It's unreal there are no investigations into this..because the government should NEVER be allowed to do this again.

Well you better blame those Democrats who voted for it, and how about Bill Clinton dropping bombs on Iraq after the used chemical weapons on his own people
a couple of low level reporters writing a book doesn't make it true

 

[Sallow]

"Hubris": New Documentary Reexamines the Iraq War "Hoax" | Mother Jones

Saw it last night.

It was devastating. It focused on 2 bullet points. Extremely detailed and well researched.

It's unreal there are no investigations into this..because the government should NEVER be allowed to do this again.

Well you better blame those Democrats who voted for it, and how about Bill Clinton dropping bombs on Iraq after the used chemical weapons on his own people
a couple of low level reporters writing a book doesn't make it true

No.

I absolutely do not blame the Democrats that voted for it.

The Bush administration cherry picked and outright lied about intelligence. Even with that, he was given the Authorization to use force. Congress didn't decide to invade.

That..was George W. Bush.

The Decider. The Commander In Chief.

NOT THE DEMOCRATS.

 

[Stephanie]

Saw it last night.

It was devastating. It focused on 2 bullet points. Extremely detailed and well researched.

It's unreal there are no investigations into this..because the government should NEVER be allowed to do this again.

Well you better blame those Democrats who voted for it, and how about Bill Clinton dropping bombs on Iraq after the used chemical weapons on his own people
a couple of low level reporters writing a book doesn't make it true

No.

I absolutely do not blame the Democrats that voted for it.

The Bush administration cherry picked and outright lied about intelligence. Even with that, he was given the Authorization to use force. Congress didn't decide to invade.

That..was George W. Bush.

The Decider. The Commander In Chief.

NOT THE DEMOCRATS.

of course you don't..You are saying they are too stupid to check things he said out..

He got the information from the CLINTON administration..so I guess he cherry picked thing too

SNIP:
Clinton: Iraq has abused its last chance

President Clinton addressed the nation from the Oval Office
Clinton spells out Iraq's non-compliance
Iraq repeatedly blocked UNSCOM from inspecting suspect sites.


Iraq repeatedly restricted UNSCOM's ability to obtain necessary evidence.


Iraq tried to stop an UNSCOM biological weapons team from videotaping a site and photocopying documents and prevented Iraqi personnel from answering UNSCOM's questions.


Iraq has failed to turn over virtually all documents requested by the inspectors.

US Forces:
There are 15 U.S. warships and 97 U.S. aircraft in the Persian Gulf region, including about 70 aboard the aircraft carrier USS Enterprise. More than 12,000 sailors and Marines are in the region.

U.S. sources said eight of the warships, equipped with cruise missiles, have been moved into the northern part of the Gulf, within easy striking distance of Baghdad. More troops and jets have been ordered to the region.

More than 300 cruise missiles are available for use against Iraq, and there are air-launched cruise missiles aboard 14 B-52 bombers on the British island of Diego Garcia, sources said.

Britain has 22 strike aircraft in the region.


December 16, 1998
Web posted at: 8:51 p.m. EST (0151 GMT)

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- From the Oval Office, President Clinton told the nation Wednesday evening why he ordered new military strikes against Iraq.

The president said Iraq's refusal to cooperate with U.N. weapons inspectors presented a threat to the entire world.

"Saddam (Hussein) must not be allowed to threaten his neighbors or the world with nuclear arms, poison gas or biological weapons," Clinton said.

Operation Desert Fox, a strong, sustained series of attacks, will be carried out over several days by U.S. and British forces, Clinton said.

"Earlier today I ordered America's armed forces to strike military and security targets in Iraq. They are joined by British forces," Clinton said.

"Their mission is to attack Iraq's nuclear, chemical and biological weapons programs and its military capacity to threaten its neighbors," said Clinton.

Clinton also stated that, while other countries also had weapons of mass destruction, Hussein is in a different category because he has used such weapons against his own people and against his neighbors.


'Without delay, diplomacy or warning'

all of it here
CNN - Clinton: Iraq has abused its last chance - December 16, 1998

 

[Cammmpbell]

We all kinda knew it already.

Yeah, but it's good to be reminded of such a stupid atrocity so it isn't repeated.

hu·bris
[hyoo-bris, hoo-] noun
excessive pride or self-confidence; arrogance.

In the history of mankind I can't imagine another time when so many were deceived so badly by so few who represented them. nearly 4500 young Americans dead plus about 33,000 seriously wounded plus a trillion dollars of new debt. That doesn't even speak to the fact that an estimated 150,000 innocent Iraqis were killed while 2 million fled their homes to Syria and Jordon. That one long lie told by basically half a dozen politicians led hundreds of millions down a false path for one reason only....to attempt to gain their approval to invade a country half way around the world which had never done anything to the United States. The closest Saddam Hussein ever came to direct aggression against the U S was the first Gulf war when he invaded a country which was one of our overseas oil producers. In 1993 he did attempt to assassinate Bush's daddy. The last time George W. Bush appeared on an American news station when asked about the circumstances which were revealed to everyone after the war was winding down he said he had made the right decision. Talk about arrogance. The toy cowboy has spoken. In the history of the United States Bush is without a doubt the sorriest excuse for a president who has ever served.

Look at the actions of Colin Powell since all that crap came down. He still says he's a Republican but in fact ever since they fooled him into making that speech of lies to the U N he has been acting like a Democrat.

 

[Stephanie]

We all kinda knew it already.

Yeah, but it's good to be reminded of such a stupid atrocity so it isn't repeated.

In the history of mankind I can't imagine another time when so many were deceived so badly by so few who represented them. nearly 4500 young Americans dead plus about 33,000 seriously wounded plus a trillion dollars of new debt. That doesn't even speak to the fact that an estimated 150,000 innocent Iraqis were killed while 2 million fled their homes to Syria and Jordon. That one long lie told by basically half a dozen people led hundreds of millions down a false path for one reason only....to attempt to gain their approval to invade a country half way around the world which had never done anything to the United States. The closest Saddam Hussein ever came to direct aggression against the U S was the first Gulf war when he invaded a country which was one of our overseas oil producers.

In the history of mankind..my gawd
you can think what you want, but his crockamenty done by Rachel Maddow was probably far from the truth..

 

[rdean]

Saw it last night.

It was devastating. It focused on 2 bullet points. Extremely detailed and well researched.

It's unreal there are no investigations into this..because the government should NEVER be allowed to do this again.

Well you better blame those Democrats who voted for it, and how about Bill Clinton dropping bombs on Iraq after the used chemical weapons on his own people
a couple of low level reporters writing a book doesn't make it true

No.

I absolutely do not blame the Democrats that voted for it.

The Bush administration cherry picked and outright lied about intelligence. Even with that, he was given the Authorization to use force. Congress didn't decide to invade.

That..was George W. Bush.

The Decider. The Commander In Chief.

NOT THE DEMOCRATS.

Who knew the president would lie this way. No wonder Republicans are always SCREAMING Obama is a liar. It's what they know. What they expect. What they are used to.

 

[Truthmatters]

what does the right think they have to gain by denying what every knows is the facts of what happened?

We were lied into war by the Bush administration.

Its just a fact that everyone in the country KNOWS happened.


The facts are all there.


The intell people already said it happened.


Jesus the right has to lie about EVEYTHING

 

[Mr. Shaman]

Saw it last night.

It was devastating. It focused on 2 bullet points. Extremely detailed and well researched.

It's unreal there are no investigations into this..because the government should NEVER be allowed to do this again.

Well you better blame those Democrats who voted for it, and how about Bill Clinton dropping bombs on Iraq after the used chemical weapons on his own people
a couple of low level reporters writing a book doesn't make it true

No.

I absolutely do not blame the Democrats that voted for it.

The Bush administration cherry picked and outright lied about intelligence. Even with that, he was given the Authorization to use force. Congress didn't decide to invade.

That..was George W. Bush.

The Decider. The Commander In Chief.

NOT THE DEMOCRATS.

Don't forget about The DICK; Cheney!!​

August 22, 2008

PR Push for Iraq War
Preceded Intel Findings​

"New documents from within the Bush administration and US intelligence community during the run-up to the invasion of Iraq reveal that the White House began assembling a case for war before it had compiled the intel that ostensibly formed the basis of that case.

A new report on the documents from George Washington University's National Security Archive also presents compelling evidence that the Bush administration pressured the CIA and other intelligence agencies to tailor their reports to back-up Bush's desire to invade. The report suggests the bulk of this effort was run out of Vice President Dick Cheney's office, backing up numerous other post-war examinations of the path to invasion that saw Cheney as the mastermind of the plan to oust Saddam Hussein."

 

[Mr. Shaman]

Well you better blame those Democrats who voted for it, and how about Bill Clinton dropping bombs on Iraq after the used chemical weapons on his own people
a couple of low level reporters writing a book doesn't make it true

No.

I absolutely do not blame the Democrats that voted for it.

The Bush administration cherry picked and outright lied about intelligence. Even with that, he was given the Authorization to use force. Congress didn't decide to invade.

That..was George W. Bush.

The Decider. The Commander In Chief.

NOT THE DEMOCRATS.

of course you don't..You are saying they are too stupid to check things he said out..

He got the information from the CLINTON administration....

Ah, yes.....it's time to "reheat" BU$HCO's neverending excuse.....

 

[Cammmpbell]

No.

I absolutely do not blame the Democrats that voted for it.

The Bush administration cherry picked and outright lied about intelligence. Even with that, he was given the Authorization to use force. Congress didn't decide to invade.

That..was George W. Bush.

The Decider. The Commander In Chief.

NOT THE DEMOCRATS.

of course you don't..You are saying they are too stupid to check things he said out..

He got the information from the CLINTON administration....

Ah, yes.....it's time to "reheat" BU$HCO's neverending excuse.....

There's only two excuses the cowboy might realistically use:

1) I prayed and god told me to do it

2) He tried to kill my daddy

 

[Mr. Shaman]

Yeah, but it's good to be reminded of such a stupid atrocity so it isn't repeated.

In the history of mankind I can't imagine another time when so many were deceived so badly by so few who represented them. nearly 4500 young Americans dead plus about 33,000 seriously wounded plus a trillion dollars of new debt. That doesn't even speak to the fact that an estimated 150,000 innocent Iraqis were killed while 2 million fled their homes to Syria and Jordon. That one long lie told by basically half a dozen people led hundreds of millions down a false path for one reason only....to attempt to gain their approval to invade a country half way around the world which had never done anything to the United States. The closest Saddam Hussein ever came to direct aggression against the U S was the first Gulf war when he invaded a country which was one of our overseas oil producers.

In the history of mankind..my gawd
you can think what you want, but his crockamenty done by Rachel Maddow was probably far from the truth..

"....probably...."?????

.

.

.

ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.....you really committed yourself to THAT one!!

 

[Truthmatters]

They lied us to war.


Its a fact.


that fact will NEVER be allowed to be rewritten by the right in this country.