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If there were some reason to regard George W. Bush as anything but the self-serving elitist fop that he is I might be inclined to consider what you're presenting here. But that man is nothing more or less than a corporatist water-carrier and I am convinced the purpose of the Iraq invasion was to serve the interests of the Military Industrial Complex and to facilitate the emergence of a virtual army of private "contractors."No he absolutely did not. Bush truly believed in what he was doing. I can't say that about the folks he surrounded himself with..but Bush himself?
He did all the wrong things for the right reasons. He truly thought that Saddam Hussien was a huge threat. Bush is..and was a patriotic American.
It doesn't do anyone any good framing him in any other way than that.
Good people with good intentions CAN do bad things.
"Hubris": New Documentary Reexamines the Iraq War "Hoax" | Mother Jones
By David Corn
An MSNBC film, hosted by Rachel Maddow and based on Michael Isikoff and David Corn's book, finds new evidence that Bush scammed the nation into war.
A decade ago, on March 19, 2003, President George W. Bush launched the invasion of Iraq that would lead to a nine-year war resulting in 4,486 dead American troops, 32,226 service members wounded, and over 100,000 dead Iraqi civilians. The tab for the war topped $3 trillion. Bush did succeed in removing Saddam Hussein, but it turned out there were no weapons of mass destruction and no significant operational ties between Saddam's regime and Al Qaeda. That is, the two main assertions used by Bush and his crew to justify the war were not true. Three years after the war began, Michael Isikoff, then an investigative reporter for Newsweek (he's since moved to NBC News), and I published Hubris: The Inside Story of Spin, Scandal, and the Selling of the Iraq War, a behind-the-scenes account of how Bush, Vice President Dick Cheney, and their lieutenants deployed false claims, iffy intelligence, and unsupported hyperbole to win popular backing for the invasion.
Our book—hailed by the New York Times as "the most comprehensive account of the White House's political machinations"—was the first cut at an important topic: how a president had swindled the nation into war with a deliberate effort to hype the threat. The book is now the basis for an MSNBC documentary of the same name that marks the 10th anniversary of the Iraq war. Hosted by Rachel Maddow, the film premieres Monday night in her usual time slot (9PM ET/PT). But the documentary goes beyond what Isikoff and I covered in Hubris, presenting new scoops and showing that the complete story of the selling of that war has yet to be told.
One chilling moment in the film comes in an interview with retired General Anthony Zinni, a former commander in chief of US Central Command. In August 2002, the Bush-Cheney administration opened its propaganda campaign for war with a Cheney speech at the annual Veterans of Foreign Wars convention. The veep made a stark declaration: "There is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons of mass destruction. There is no doubt he is amassing them to use against our friends, against our allies, and against us." No doubt, he proclaimed, Saddam was arming himself with WMD in preparation for attacking the United States.
Zinni was sitting on the stage during the speech, and in the documentary he recalls his reaction:It was a shock. It was a total shock. I couldn't believe the vice president was saying this, you know? In doing work with the CIA on Iraq WMD, through all the briefings I heard at Langley, I never saw one piece of credible evidence that there was an ongoing program. And that's when I began to believe they're getting serious about this. They wanna go into Iraq.That Zinni quote should almost end the debate on whether the Bush-Cheney administration purposefully guided the nation into war with misinformation and disinformation.
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It was a good re-hash of the events leading the USA to war, with a few more behind the scenes info.
BTW didn't MSNBC fire Donahue for being against the invasion?
The Pratt House Matrix and "Ruling Class Journalists"
Big Media has been the handmaiden to Big Government for decades. Now that the Internet and independent media are challenging the statist game plan, Big Media and Big Government are desperately seeking to formally legitimize their longstanding illicit affair. To longtime observers it is not in the least surprising that the key players in this perverse Big Government-Big Media-Big Foundation symbiosis seem to hale disproportionately from the membership roster of the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR).
Like the slime trail that leads to the slug, most of the major efforts to centralize, nationalize, and cartelize political and economic power over the past century can be traced back to the CFR and the matrix of corporations, foundations, think tanks, and universities its members dominate. So it is with the current push to have the federal government fund and control more and more of the media. Dr. Bollinger (of Columbia University and the Federal Reserve) is a CFR member. As are Alberto Ibarg?en, president and CEO of the Knight Foundation and Walter Isaacson, president and CEO of the Aspen Institute, key operatives leading the FOCAS campaign.
Where is Issa, Graham, McCain and the OTHERS on this cover up and lies?
That's not what I got. I thought it was pretty good at showing how they cherry-picked the intel..
I hate Bush's wars, but when I tuned in and saw that Maddow was doing it, I tuned back out. There's no way of knowing what information is being distorted or avoided, so it would just be a waste of my time to watch it.
That's the problem with partisan ideologues providing "information": Who knows what the reality is.
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I can't assume what a partisan is telling me is the whole story, no way. If I can't hear both sides of a story, there's no way I can make a final decision. That's just me.
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If there were some reason to regard George W. Bush as anything but the self-serving elitist fop that he is I might be inclined to consider what you're presenting here. But that man is nothing more or less than a corporatist water-carrier and I am convinced the purpose of the Iraq invasion was to serve the interests of the Military Industrial Complex and to facilitate the emergence of a virtual army of private "contractors."No he absolutely did not. Bush truly believed in what he was doing. I can't say that about the folks he surrounded himself with..but Bush himself?
He did all the wrong things for the right reasons. He truly thought that Saddam Hussien was a huge threat. Bush is..and was a patriotic American.
It doesn't do anyone any good framing him in any other way than that.
Good people with good intentions CAN do bad things.
It's timely to remind the country, since the NeoCons are at it again with Iran.Truly yesterdays news? The documentary doesn't air until tomorrow night.
The subject is truly old news just politically motivated clap trap by Maddow and MSDNC put out in a vain attempt to somehow distract people from the still near 8% unemployment, rapidly rising gas prices, and the sequester and budget battles coming in the next couple of weeks sorry.
It's pretty obvious to see what's going on when the government dismisses the conlcusions of their nuclear experts and goes with a story from an informant that the British and Italian intelligence agencies have both said the guy couldn't be trusted..
I can't assume what a partisan is telling me is the whole story, no way. If I can't hear both sides of a story, there's no way I can make a final decision. That's just me.
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George Washington would be lost in today's world.
If there were some reason to regard George W. Bush as anything but the self-serving elitist fop that he is I might be inclined to consider what you're presenting here. But that man is nothing more or less than a corporatist water-carrier and I am convinced the purpose of the Iraq invasion was to serve the interests of the Military Industrial Complex and to facilitate the emergence of a virtual army of private "contractors."No he absolutely did not. Bush truly believed in what he was doing. I can't say that about the folks he surrounded himself with..but Bush himself?
He did all the wrong things for the right reasons. He truly thought that Saddam Hussien was a huge threat. Bush is..and was a patriotic American.
It doesn't do anyone any good framing him in any other way than that.
Good people with good intentions CAN do bad things.
You nailed it! The cowboy was also interested in a little TX justice because Saddam Hussein tried to assassinate his daddy in 1993. I'd say he got it. Ask about 35,000-40,000 American familes who were wrecked while he was doing it.
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I can't assume what a partisan is telling me is the whole story, no way. If I can't hear both sides of a story, there's no way I can make a final decision. That's just me.
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You mean you haven't been hearing the other side of the story from Fox News, Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh, etc...?
Bingo..
I can't assume what a partisan is telling me is the whole story, no way. If I can't hear both sides of a story, there's no way I can make a final decision. That's just me.
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You mean you haven't been hearing the other side of the story from Fox News, Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh, etc...?
Yeah, but it's good to be reminded of such a stupid atrocity so it isn't repeated.
Not good enough.
A war crimes trial for those concerned has to be the way forwards, perhaps even treason considering they killed so many Americans.
Nothing the Bush administration did was treasonous.
Criminal, yes..but not treasonous.
I believe you are quite right in 99% of what you've said. But do you really believe Colin Powell was "fooled" into making his fatefully deceitful and misleading presentation before the UN and the world?[...]
Look at the actions of Colin Powell since all that crap came down. He still says he's a Republican but in fact ever since they fooled him into making that speech of lies to the U N he has been acting like a Democrat.
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I can't assume what a partisan is telling me is the whole story, no way. If I can't hear both sides of a story, there's no way I can make a final decision. That's just me.
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