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i agree... and some servers deserve nothing at all in the way of a tip..... though the expect 15% regardless for crap service.
so the question is how much should you tip? ... the answer is however much you want or dont want to tip. That is why its called a tip. It is optional.
Never suggestion that it should be mandatory. I am saying there really isn't an incentive for servers to do their job well if they are getting a fixed income. .
. Never less than 20%. Ever.I am black so stereotypically I don't tip.
i agree... and some servers deserve nothing at all in the way of a tip..... though the expect 15% regardless for crap service.
so the question is how much should you tip? ... the answer is however much you want or dont want to tip. That is why its called a tip. It is optional.
Never suggestion that it should be mandatory. I am saying there really isn't an incentive for servers to do their job well if they are getting a fixed income. .
So no one in any industry has any incentive to do their job well unless an additional bribe is included? That's bullshit. If such an attitude is prevalent, it would explain why service has gone completely to shit in this country over the past 30 years or so.
I am black so stereotypically I don't tip.
I am black so stereotypically I don't tip.
even when the service is shit?
I am black so stereotypically I don't tip.
even when the service is shit?
Yup because in the back of my mind, they would just say I am living the stereotype and I will not contribute to any of that. They would never see them as being shit, just me. Sad but that is the way I see it.
I am black so stereotypically I don't tip.
even when the service is shit?
Yup because in the back of my mind, they would just say I am living the stereotype and I will not contribute to any of that. They would never see them as being shit, just me. Sad but that is the way I see it.
Years ago, the EX father-in-law took us all out to eat (the only time in 13 years he did so).
There was much discussion between him and his Mrs., after which he left $5 on the table for an $80 dinner. Very typical of that mofo.
I felt so bad that I went back the next day, found our waiter, and handed him a $20. Explained the situation (mentally unstable fuck in law, etc). The guy just about started crying.
they dont get a shit wage here. They get paid the highest minimum wage in the country.
Waitresses make minimum cash wage of $2.13 an hour here.
That is bullshit. Give them a $10 an hour pay rise and they will work harder.
bullshit.
here they get $10.55 an hour and work NO harder for it.
and then they still think that they can work like slugs....and expect a 20% tip.
they have to pay tax on any tip that comes on a credit card.... the rest is grave in their pockets.
They are "supposed" to declare their tips.... but they dont. All they have to say is that they were stiffed. I never leave a cash tip.
4 tables....lets say $100 a table. That is a $15 dollar tip plus wages. Is that waitress worth $70 dollars an hour?
now lets go to a more expensive place. 4 tables...say $300 a table. @15% that is a $45 a table. @20% its $60. Is carrying your food worth $320 plus wages an hour?
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Why should the waiter get extra money from you when they get paid to do their job? It is not your problem if they don't earn enough money. The employer needs to pay them more.
Years ago, the EX father-in-law took us all out to eat (the only time in 13 years he did so).
There was much discussion between him and his Mrs., after which he left $5 on the table for an $80 dinner. Very typical of that mofo.
I felt so bad that I went back the next day, found our waiter, and handed him a $20. Explained the situation (mentally unstable fuck in law, etc). The guy just about started crying.
Why should the waiter get extra money from you when they get paid to do their job? It is not your problem if they don't earn enough money. The employer needs to pay them more.
even when the service is shit?
Yup because in the back of my mind, they would just say I am living the stereotype and I will not contribute to any of that. They would never see them as being shit, just me. Sad but that is the way I see it.
sucker.
prototype or not, you are rewarding then for bad behavior. How do you know they are not giving you bad service becasue you are black and then laughing their asses off at you for leaving a tip?
they dont get a shit wage here. They get paid the highest minimum wage in the country.
Then why do they want tips?
The guy sounds like a greedy son of a bitch. Throwing around a hamburger before giving it to a customer? Expecting tips and complaining when he didn't get one from a couple of ladies? Maybe his service sucked?
People refusing to wait on certain people because the tips are not big enough - that is just greed, pure and simple. Messing up a customer order because you don't like them? I never mess up a customer order on purpose - if they are rude to me, I will make them wait, but I will never mess their order up deliberately.
They shouldn't get tips if they are earning that much per hour.
they have to pay tax on any tip that comes on a credit card.... the rest is grave in their pockets.
They are "supposed" to declare their tips.... but they dont. All they have to say is that they were stiffed. I never leave a cash tip.
I bet they hate getting a credit card tip, lol.
4 tables....lets say $100 a table. That is a $15 dollar tip plus wages. Is that waitress worth $70 dollars an hour?
now lets go to a more expensive place. 4 tables...say $300 a table. @15% that is a $45 a table. @20% its $60. Is carrying your food worth $320 plus wages an hour?
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If I paid for food that cost me $100, there is no way I am handing over another $15. I am paying for the food, nothing else.
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Years ago, the EX father-in-law took us all out to eat (the only time in 13 years he did so).
There was much discussion between him and his Mrs., after which he left $5 on the table for an $80 dinner. Very typical of that mofo.
I felt so bad that I went back the next day, found our waiter, and handed him a $20. Explained the situation (mentally unstable fuck in law, etc). The guy just about started crying.
Why should the waiter get extra money from you when they get paid to do their job? It is not your problem if they don't earn enough money. The employer needs to pay them more.
I think it's the nature of the food service industry. Employees are generally paid lower wages since tips are a part of their income. Tipping is a tradition that goes way back. At least in this country.
Why should the waiter get extra money from you when they get paid to do their job? It is not your problem if they don't earn enough money. The employer needs to pay them more.
I think it's the nature of the food service industry. Employees are generally paid lower wages since tips are a part of their income. Tipping is a tradition that goes way back. At least in this country.
Lower wages added with tips keeps the price of our restaurant and fast food costs down.
In Australia the price of a McDonald's single cheeseburger is 2.15. $2.00 when they run specials.
In America the price of a single cheeseburger is .89 cents and .99 for a double cheeseburger.
The Average hourly wage for a McDonald's worker here in America is around 7.63 to 7.85
They don't get tips because they are getting more that the average minimum wage.
In a Restaurant they get their hourly wage which on average is 2.13 plus tips that usually add up to anywhere from 7.25 to 10.00 or more an hour.
When I eat at a Restaurant I tip 20% unless the service is really bad then I tip 5 to 10%. If it is really lousy they get no tip at all.
I think it's the nature of the food service industry. Employees are generally paid lower wages since tips are a part of their income. Tipping is a tradition that goes way back. At least in this country.
Lower wages added with tips keeps the price of our restaurant and fast food costs down.
In Australia the price of a McDonald's single cheeseburger is 2.15. $2.00 when they run specials.
In America the price of a single cheeseburger is .89 cents and .99 for a double cheeseburger.
The Average hourly wage for a McDonald's worker here in America is around 7.63 to 7.85
They don't get tips because they are getting more that the average minimum wage.
In a Restaurant they get their hourly wage which on average is 2.13 plus tips that usually add up to anywhere from 7.25 to 10.00 or more an hour.
When I eat at a Restaurant I tip 20% unless the service is really bad then I tip 5 to 10%. If it is really lousy they get no tip at all.
And having cheap food is far more important than a hard working employee being paid a decent wage.
It is their JOB to serve me, whether I am a crap customer or not.
And how well they provide that service is up to you, whether you are a crap customer or not.
If your food arrives late, isn't exactly the way you want it or just taste funny, just know that it isn't because you are a crappy customer. The Waitress is just investing all of their energies waiting a table which is tipping well.
People respond to incentives. It's just that simple.
I do not tip. I only eat out if I am on a date and I allow my dinner partner to take care of that. If I like the company I pay for the meal. If I do not like the company, I set my phone ring tone to go off when the bill comes and make believe I have an important call, take the "call" and make my apologies that I have to run and let the person I was having dinner with pay the whole enchilada. If the meal was good I snatch a menu on my way out and return to the restaurant with another dinner partner at a later date...
