How much debt did GWB add? the truth

[Warrior102]

Hey NYC -

pull your nose out of Obama's ass for a moment and tell us ........

"How much debt has Obama added?"

 

[Mr. Shaman]

I knew when I asked this question not one Liberal could do the right thing
i even provided a link to
How can we ever fix whats wrong with this great nation when people are so blind to the truth....

....That BUSHCO was staffed by people who suckered voters into (actually) believing we could....

....run this Country "like a business"???

Yeah.....that really worked-out.....if we're talkin'-about their....

....All-Star "hitter".

 

[Warrior102]

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[Wry Catcher]

I suggest others go to the link provided in the OP and read about this source, the blogs author and his some background. A quick perusal reveals this quote by the author:

"I previously served as Executive Director of the Conservative Victory Fund; Director of Public Affairs for the National Republican Congressional Committee; and as the Republican National Committee’s liaison to the White House Political Affairs Office during the Reagan Administration. I also wrote a full page political column for the conservative weekly Human Events, and a front page article in the Washington Post described me as one of the eight leading activists in the New Right."

 

[Mr. Shaman]

OBAMA is in charge. We're under HIS watch.

What is HE gonna do NOW and in the FUTURE to help this nation.

What's he supposed to do.....while General Boner manages....

....the Republicans' Civil War?

 

[NYcarbineer]

Hey NYC -

pull your nose out of Obama's ass for a moment and tell us ........

"How much debt has Obama added?"

A lot, mostly because tax revenues have fallen so far because of the recession and tax policy, and because of increases in federal spending that were triggered by the recession.

 

[JRK]

We cannot debate these issues along with make smart choices at the booth without facts

we elected BHO on lies

we need to re elect him on the truth

 

[Mr. Shaman]

OBAMA is in charge. We're under HIS watch.

What is HE gonna do NOW and in the FUTURE to help this nation.

HE is in charge. Period. No rear view mirror.

If Obama were 'in charge' the debt ceiling would have been raised by now and we would not be facing a crisis in a week.

Instead, we're being saved by Republicans' "fiscally responsible" efforts.​

"Budget writers have protected these measures from pay-as-you-go rules, which means their cost will not be offset by tax increases or spending cuts and will add hundreds of billions of dollars to the deficit."

Things Go Better With BU$HCO​

 

[Warrior102]

Hey NYC -

pull your nose out of Obama's ass for a moment and tell us ........

"How much debt has Obama added?"

A lot, mostly because tax revenues have fallen so far because of the recession and tax policy, and because of increases in federal spending that were triggered by the recession.

I didn't think you'd have a valid answer.

Put your nose back in there.

Resume Bush bashing.

Thanks.

 

[JRK]

of course it's with interest you idiot.

do you think we borrow for free?

Ok, So a portion of GWB debt was Clinton,s fault
then Clinton never had a surplus
The Myth of the Clinton Surplus
Fiscal
Year Year
Ending National Debt Deficit
FY1993 09/30/1993 $4.411488 trillion
FY1994 09/30/1994 $4.692749 trillion $281.26 billion
FY1995 09/29/1995 $4.973982 trillion $281.23 billion
FY1996 09/30/1996 $5.224810 trillion $250.83 billion
FY1997 09/30/1997 $5.413146 trillion $188.34 billion
FY1998 09/30/1998 $5.526193 trillion $113.05 billion
FY1999 09/30/1999 $5.656270 trillion $130.08 billion
FY2000 09/29/2000 $5.674178 trillion $17.91 billion
FY2001 09/28/2001 $5.807463 trillion $133.29 billion


Obama's debt is about the same in 2 that GWB was in 8
Policy means nothing
and we grade each president on the policies of the president prior to his taking office

You cannot have it both ways

Bush left Obama with a 458 billion dollar deficit. Are you subtracting that from what you're trying to blame Obama for?

If Obama had kept spending AT 2008 levels, i.e., Bush levels, his 2009 deficit would still have been 880 billion.

The heritage link I provided covers that, There number i do not recall but it is at least 500 billiom
I do not recall blaming Obama
I do recall providing data, accurate data
And yes 09 is some of GWB, 500 billion is about right
I am sick of the lies
Obama has had a reduction in assets. This also contributes to the 09 levels GWB had

The truth of the matter is we have had a massive increase along with a reduction of income due to the UE rate
another Item Obama is failing on resolving
just the facts

 

[The Rabbi]

I suggest others go to the link provided in the OP and read about this source, the blogs author and his some background. A quick perusal reveals this quote by the author:

"I previously served as Executive Director of the Conservative Victory Fund; Director of Public Affairs for the National Republican Congressional Committee; and as the Republican National Committee’s liaison to the White House Political Affairs Office during the Reagan Administration. I also wrote a full page political column for the conservative weekly Human Events, and a front page article in the Washington Post described me as one of the eight leading activists in the New Right."

In that case it ought to be easy for you to point out the fallacies and mis-statements.

But you can't. Because it is the truth.

Anyone remember the US being put on watch for downgrade by any agency? Even back in the 1990s when the gov't shut down?
No, I don't either.

 

[JRK]

I suggest others go to the link provided in the OP and read about this source, the blogs author and his some background. A quick perusal reveals this quote by the author:

"I previously served as Executive Director of the Conservative Victory Fund; Director of Public Affairs for the National Republican Congressional Committee; and as the Republican National Committee’s liaison to the White House Political Affairs Office during the Reagan Administration. I also wrote a full page political column for the conservative weekly Human Events, and a front page article in the Washington Post described me as one of the eight leading activists in the New Right."

In that case it ought to be easy for you to point out the fallacies and mis-statements.

But you can't. Because it is the truth.

Anyone remember the US being put on watch for downgrade by any agency? Even back in the 1990s when the gov't shut down?
No, I don't either.

Rabbi thats part of my point. The only people in the media providing the truth are conservatives. So when they do provide it, it is taken as partisan

The main stream media elected Obama with the help of those who thought it would bring an end to the racial issues we face today more than ever
And no I do not recall ever being put on any watch like we are now. It will be the biggest blunder ever made in this countries history
Obama is all ready un electable be a majority, this blunder will end his political career

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

of course it's with interest you idiot.

do you think we borrow for free?

Ok, So a portion of GWB debt was Clinton,s fault
then Clinton never had a surplus
The Myth of the Clinton Surplus
Fiscal
Year Year
Ending National Debt Deficit
FY1993 09/30/1993 $4.411488 trillion
FY1994 09/30/1994 $4.692749 trillion $281.26 billion
FY1995 09/29/1995 $4.973982 trillion $281.23 billion
FY1996 09/30/1996 $5.224810 trillion $250.83 billion
FY1997 09/30/1997 $5.413146 trillion $188.34 billion
FY1998 09/30/1998 $5.526193 trillion $113.05 billion
FY1999 09/30/1999 $5.656270 trillion $130.08 billion
FY2000 09/29/2000 $5.674178 trillion $17.91 billion
FY2001 09/28/2001 $5.807463 trillion $133.29 billion


Obama's debt is about the same in 2 that GWB was in 8
Policy means nothing
and we grade each president on the policies of the president prior to his taking office

You cannot have it both ways

How can a portion of the debt be Clinton's fault, exactly?

I think he was just pointing out, for the benefit of the terminally stupid, that Clinton did NOT leave Bush a surplus.

 

[freedombecki]

The Bush Deficit, the Clinton Surplus and TARP by Gregory Hilton | The DC World Affairs Blog

Auditor 00007 just called me a liar on another thread when I stated how much debt GWB added without intrest from the total
09 is open for debate and to be honest the last GOP budget was 07
But thru 08 it was well below 2.5 trillion
thats the number I used
If we are to give 1/2 of 09 (he did not sign the 09 budget) to GWB then it would be close to 2.5 trillion

any-one want to contest the link I have?
Being called a liar is something I do not take lightly

Blog? The gospel from a blog? Another it's all Bush's fault claim almost 3 years later? Oh, hardeharharhar.

Obama has frightened the business community by decimating the oil and gas industry, sending gas prices through the roof. He closed down oil and drilling in the Gulf of Mexico ALL BY HIMSELF WITH NO HELP WHATEVER FROM PRESIDENT BUSH.

That started gas prices targeting outer space for a ceiling, and people now have to eschew driving across country to visit friends and relatives, enjoying vacations overseas and domestic. People can barely make ends meet, thanks to the burden of high gas prices. Food costs more to transport, airlines are bitten at the pump, you see cars on the side of the road that just ran out of gas, because there's not a speck of rust on them.

Yet, his loyal supporters just keep right on keeping on.

If you think his first 4 years were bad, wait till his second give him zero restraint.

I really don't care to see the "real" Obama after this first 4 years of growing joblessness, no sensible budget plan, a ton of spendthriftery, walking into a government office and not getting any help after 5.5 hours of waiting. Oh, wait. We have to give anybody a difficult job with a mega salary and private office because their 6-generations-removed ancestors were put upon.

OK, what did you expect when his royal Airheadedness decimated the oil industry in the Gulf of Mexico over one leak that was of "undetermined causes"! Anybody with a bone to pick with the oil industry could have damaged that well. Anybody with a bone to pick probably did, it's just that some things get swept under the liberal rug such that no court would touch it, like the gal that murdered her baby daughter and got away with it because her bigtime lawyer monkeyed around with 12 jurors minds, making them think they had to have absolute, irrefutable DNA proof on a body that was concealed from sight and bumbling until all evidence rotted and washed away nearby the mommie dearest's residence.

Did his royal Airheadedness open ANWR? Nooooooooooooooooooooo. Too arrogant, and he owed his body and soul to the Global warming liars who emailed each other on how to change history by getting rid of and ignoring a thousand year segment of climate history that showed mother nature's temperature mood swings.

Ergo, Obama put those damn Republican oil folks in their proper place, to hell with them, the entire tourist industry, the common man's ability to travel cheaply, and take out all the auxiliary jobs to the oil industry, the tourist industry, etc. for the sake of self-perpetuating his Commie cabinet's view of life against us horrid free enterprise folks who love the founder's America we grew up in.

 

[JRK]

Ok, So a portion of GWB debt was Clinton,s fault
then Clinton never had a surplus
The Myth of the Clinton Surplus
Fiscal
Year Year
Ending National Debt Deficit
FY1993 09/30/1993 $4.411488 trillion
FY1994 09/30/1994 $4.692749 trillion $281.26 billion
FY1995 09/29/1995 $4.973982 trillion $281.23 billion
FY1996 09/30/1996 $5.224810 trillion $250.83 billion
FY1997 09/30/1997 $5.413146 trillion $188.34 billion
FY1998 09/30/1998 $5.526193 trillion $113.05 billion
FY1999 09/30/1999 $5.656270 trillion $130.08 billion
FY2000 09/29/2000 $5.674178 trillion $17.91 billion
FY2001 09/28/2001 $5.807463 trillion $133.29 billion


Obama's debt is about the same in 2 that GWB was in 8
Policy means nothing
and we grade each president on the policies of the president prior to his taking office

You cannot have it both ways

How can a portion of the debt be Clinton's fault, exactly?

I think he was just pointing out, for the benefit of the terminally stupid, that Clinton did NOT leave Bush a surplus.

If we look at these matters as they relate to real events
The GOP congress for the year 2001 did have a surplus, for that year, that Clinton approved in 2000
As it states above, with interest at no time did Clinton have a surplus and at no time was the country close to a surplus, even if without interest
The interest on the total debt that was left to GWB after Clinton's 8 years is about the same that GWB added
with 9-11
2 wars
adding home land security
2 recessions
6 major hurricanes
Medicare prescription drug program

without 9-11 the last 8 years would have been very close to being balanced

 

[edthecynic]

I knew when I asked this question not one Liberal could do the right thing
i even provided a link to
How can we ever fix whats wrong with this great nation when people are so blind to the truth

Bush Deficit vs. Obama Deficit in PicturesThe Foundry: Conservative Policy News Blog from The Heritage Foundation

President Bush presided over a $2.5 trillion increase in the public debt through 2008. Setting aside 2009 (for which Presidents Bush and Obama share responsibility for an additional $2.6 trillion in public debt), President Obama’s budget would add $4.9 trillion in public debt from the beginning of 2010 through 2016.

Clinton never had a surplus
The Myth of the Clinton Surplus
Fiscal
Year Year
Ending National Debt Deficit
FY1993 09/30/1993 $4.411488 trillion
FY1994 09/30/1994 $4.692749 trillion $281.26 billion
FY1995 09/29/1995 $4.973982 trillion $281.23 billion
FY1996 09/30/1996 $5.224810 trillion $250.83 billion
FY1997 09/30/1997 $5.413146 trillion $188.34 billion
FY1998 09/30/1998 $5.526193 trillion $113.05 billion
FY1999 09/30/1999 $5.656270 trillion $130.08 billion
FY2000 09/29/2000 $5.674178 trillion $17.91 billion
FY2001 09/28/2001 $5.807463 trillion $133.29 billion


Obama's debt is about the same in 2 that GWB was in 8
Policy means nothing
and we grade each president on the policies of the president prior to his taking office

You cannot have it both ways

We now have a teachable moment on how exactly CON$ lie!!!!

If you notice, to make Bush's debt look smaller the dishonest poster is using "PUBLIC DEBT" which does not include debt borrowed from the SS surplus and other intergovernmental funds. BUT to make Clinton's debt bigger the dishonest posted is using TOTAL DEBT which includes borrowing from SS, etc., instead of the PUBLIC DEBT he used for Bush, and then he bitched "You can't have it both ways," only HE can!!!!!

 

[JRK]

The Bush Deficit, the Clinton Surplus and TARP by Gregory Hilton | The DC World Affairs Blog

Auditor 00007 just called me a liar on another thread when I stated how much debt GWB added without intrest from the total
09 is open for debate and to be honest the last GOP budget was 07
But thru 08 it was well below 2.5 trillion
thats the number I used
If we are to give 1/2 of 09 (he did not sign the 09 budget) to GWB then it would be close to 2.5 trillion

any-one want to contest the link I have?
Being called a liar is something I do not take lightly

Blog? The gospel from a blog? Another it's all Bush's fault claim almost 3 years later? Oh, hardeharharhar.

Obama has frightened the business community by decimating the oil and gas industry, sending gas prices through the roof. He closed down oil and drilling in the Gulf of Mexico ALL BY HIMSELF WITH NO HELP WHATEVER FROM PRESIDENT BUSH.

That started gas prices targeting outer space for a ceiling, and people now have to eschew driving across country to visit friends and relatives, enjoying vacations overseas and domestic. People can barely make ends meet, thanks to the burden of high gas prices. Food costs more to transport, airlines are bitten at the pump, you see cars on the side of the road that just ran out of gas, because there's not a speck of rust on them.

Yet, his loyal supporters just keep right on keeping on.

If you think his first 4 years were bad, wait till his second give him zero restraint.

I really don't care to see the "real" Obama after this first 4 years of growing joblessness, no sensible budget plan, a ton of spendthriftery, walking into a government office and not getting any help after 5.5 hours of waiting. Oh, wait. We have to give anybody a difficult job with a mega salary and private office because their 6-generations-removed ancestors were put upon.

OK, what did you expect when his royal Airheadedness decimated the oil industry in the Gulf of Mexico over one leak that was of "undetermined causes"! Anybody with a bone to pick with the oil industry could have damaged that well. Anybody with a bone to pick probably did, it's just that some things get swept under the liberal rug such that no court would touch it, like the gal that murdered her baby daughter and got away with it because her bigtime lawyer monkeyed around with 12 jurors minds, making them think they had to have absolute, irrefutable DNA proof on a body that was concealed from sight and bumbling until all evidence rotted and washed away nearby the mommie dearest's residence.

Did his royal Airheadedness open ANWR? Nooooooooooooooooooooo. Too arrogant, and he owed his body and soul to the Global warming liars who emailed each other on how to change history by getting rid of and ignoring a thousand year segment of climate history that showed mother nature's temperature mood swings.

Ergo, Obama put those damn Republican oil folks in their proper place, to hell with them, the entire tourist industry, the common man's ability to travel cheaply, and take out all the auxiliary jobs to the oil industry, the tourist industry, etc. for the sake of self-perpetuating his Commie cabinet's view of life against us horrid free enterprise folks who love the founder's America we grew up in.

The dept of interior also closed down shale oil business expansion
U.S. government to review plans to develop oil shale, tar sands - Business - msnbc.com

 

[JRK]

I knew when I asked this question not one Liberal could do the right thing
i even provided a link to
How can we ever fix whats wrong with this great nation when people are so blind to the truth

Bush Deficit vs. Obama Deficit in PicturesThe Foundry: Conservative Policy News Blog from The Heritage Foundation

President Bush presided over a $2.5 trillion increase in the public debt through 2008. Setting aside 2009 (for which Presidents Bush and Obama share responsibility for an additional $2.6 trillion in public debt), President Obama’s budget would add $4.9 trillion in public debt from the beginning of 2010 through 2016.

Clinton never had a surplus
The Myth of the Clinton Surplus
Fiscal
Year Year
Ending National Debt Deficit
FY1993 09/30/1993 $4.411488 trillion
FY1994 09/30/1994 $4.692749 trillion $281.26 billion
FY1995 09/29/1995 $4.973982 trillion $281.23 billion
FY1996 09/30/1996 $5.224810 trillion $250.83 billion
FY1997 09/30/1997 $5.413146 trillion $188.34 billion
FY1998 09/30/1998 $5.526193 trillion $113.05 billion
FY1999 09/30/1999 $5.656270 trillion $130.08 billion
FY2000 09/29/2000 $5.674178 trillion $17.91 billion
FY2001 09/28/2001 $5.807463 trillion $133.29 billion


Obama's debt is about the same in 2 that GWB was in 8
Policy means nothing
and we grade each president on the policies of the president prior to his taking office

You cannot have it both ways

We now have a teachable moment on how exactly CON$ lie!!!!

If you notice, to make Bush's debt look smaller the dishonest poster is using "PUBLIC DEBT" which does not include debt borrowed from the SS surplus and other intergovernmental funds. BUT to make Clinton's debt bigger the dishonest posted is using TOTAL DEBT which includes borrowing from SS, etc., instead of the PUBLIC DEBT he used for Bush, and then he bitched "You can't have it both ways," only HE can!!!!!

Dude I stated in my thread you cannot have it both ways
people are claiming GWB added over 5 trillion to the total debt
Your making the same point I made some time ago

If you going to use one criteria for one president, then we are going to use the same for all of them

Its exactly the same thing I was saying

 

[Care4all]

The Bush Deficit, the Clinton Surplus and TARP by Gregory Hilton | The DC World Affairs Blog

Auditor 00007 just called me a liar on another thread when I stated how much debt GWB added without intrest from the total
09 is open for debate and to be honest the last GOP budget was 07
But thru 08 it was well below 2.5 trillion
thats the number I used
If we are to give 1/2 of 09 (he did not sign the 09 budget) to GWB then it would be close to 2.5 trillion

any-one want to contest the link I have?
Being called a liar is something I do not take lightly

you may not be a liar, but just do not understand the difference between DEBT and BUDGET DEFICIT?

the link you gave is several years old....it has projected 2009 and projected 2010 budgets when those years have been completed already, also it is deficits that are showing and NOT THE NATIONAL DEBT. But your title of this thread is about the National Debt?

I have NO IDEA why you would want to play with the numbers and not include the interest payment on our debt when it is a payment we spend money on every single month???? You'll have to explain that one to me???

Here is what the Treasury has on the national Debt and how it has changed each fiscal year......

Debt to the Penny (Daily History Search Application)

10/01/2001 Not AvailableNot Available 5,806,151,389,190.21
09/30/2009 7,551,861,558,736.77 4,357,967,444,774.98 11,909,829,003,511.75

President Bush's first fiscal Budget that he was responsible for began October 1, 2001....the national debt accumulated by our country to date was, $5.8 Trillion, and president Bush's last fiscal Budget that was under his 8 year reign ended September 30, 2009. Our National Debt stood at $11.9 trillion.....

so, under President Bush's fiscal 8 years of responsibility, $6.1 Trillion was added to the national debt.

Our Nation's history of accumulated debt, more than Doubled in President Bush's fiscal 8 years....

President Obama began his fiscal reign of the Budget, october 1st, 2009, with his first Budget and he began with $11.9 trillion in accumulated National debt....
as of:
07/21/2011
9,747,385,038,148.48 4,595,499,906,847.80 14,342,884,944,996.28

Obama has added 2.4 trillion in National debt so far!

But in order for it to be equal to the DOUBLING OF OUR HISTORY'S NATIONAL DEBT, as President Bush did, under his 8 fiscal years, Obama would need to bring our National Debt from $11.9 trillion to $24.0 trillion in 8 years time......and he IS TRENDING towards reaching that because he has accumulated about 3 trillion in 2 years, so in 8 years it would be adding 12 trillion, bringing him to the $24.0 trillion.

 

[auditor0007]

I knew when I asked this question not one Liberal could do the right thing
i even provided a link to
How can we ever fix whats wrong with this great nation when people are so blind to the truth

Bush Deficit vs. Obama Deficit in PicturesThe Foundry: Conservative Policy News Blog from The Heritage Foundation

President Bush presided over a $2.5 trillion increase in the public debt through 2008. Setting aside 2009 (for which Presidents Bush and Obama share responsibility for an additional $2.6 trillion in public debt), President Obama’s budget would add $4.9 trillion in public debt from the beginning of 2010 through 2016.

Clinton never had a surplus
The Myth of the Clinton Surplus
Fiscal
Year Year
Ending National Debt Deficit
FY1993 09/30/1993 $4.411488 trillion
FY1994 09/30/1994 $4.692749 trillion $281.26 billion
FY1995 09/29/1995 $4.973982 trillion $281.23 billion
FY1996 09/30/1996 $5.224810 trillion $250.83 billion
FY1997 09/30/1997 $5.413146 trillion $188.34 billion
FY1998 09/30/1998 $5.526193 trillion $113.05 billion
FY1999 09/30/1999 $5.656270 trillion $130.08 billion
FY2000 09/29/2000 $5.674178 trillion $17.91 billion
FY2001 09/28/2001 $5.807463 trillion $133.29 billion


Obama's debt is about the same in 2 that GWB was in 8
Policy means nothing
and we grade each president on the policies of the president prior to his taking office

You cannot have it both ways

We now have a teachable moment on how exactly CON$ lie!!!!

If you notice, to make Bush's debt look smaller the dishonest poster is using "PUBLIC DEBT" which does not include debt borrowed from the SS surplus and other intergovernmental funds. BUT to make Clinton's debt bigger the dishonest posted is using TOTAL DEBT which includes borrowing from SS, etc., instead of the PUBLIC DEBT he used for Bush, and then he bitched "You can't have it both ways," only HE can!!!!!

Yea, it is so obvious it is blatant. Not only that, but have you noticed how he uses Clinton's Budget for 2000 as part of Bush's and ignores the 2009 budget giving credit for it to Obama? Newly elected presidents do not get credit for the prior year's budget even though they serve most of their first year with that budget, because the fiscal year begins before they take office. His manipulation of numbers is an absolute joke.