How can yall continue to support him?

[my2¢]

Seriously, this guy is the worst President EVER

He hasn't done ANYTHING right since taking over

I won't bother to rehash all his gaffes and fuck ups, there's no need, but Jesus Christ, it's not as if he's just having a few things go wrong, An honest person would have to conclude that he he has fucked up every single thing he has put his hands on.

He can't lead. He just doesn't have it it him. If yall really cared about your causes you would want better leadership.

For real, any of you still feel that he is the right man for the job , please tell us why; because frankly I think the only people who continue to support him do so for one reason, skin color.

I don't care for his domestic policies. I didn't care for McCain's foreign policies. Voted for neither. Hopefully he'll get less people killed then the last guy.

 

[The T]

That was a stupid statement, but no more stupid than those who screamed about Dubya wanting a NAZI state.

W was alot of things...he wasn't a Statist/Fascist as this current bunch is.

Ah yes, they're all really playing up the nationalism, performing mass public rallies, converting the state into a totalitarian government, like getting into wars, suppress all opposition, advocate having a single party, have secret police running around enforcing it all and shove scapegoats into ovens.

Oh hey, wait a minute, this doesn't sound like America at the moment at all.

On a serious note, I agree with Conhog, it's just as silly to call Bush a Nazi.

How about playing up American Exceptionalism?

This current regime is apologizing to the WORLD for it.

Sad...really sad.

 

[Woyzeck]

W was alot of things...he wasn't a Statist/Fascist as this current bunch is.

Ah yes, they're all really playing up the nationalism, performing mass public rallies, converting the state into a totalitarian government, like getting into wars, suppress all opposition, advocate having a single party, have secret police running around enforcing it all and shove scapegoats into ovens.

Oh hey, wait a minute, this doesn't sound like America at the moment at all.

On a serious note, I agree with Conhog, it's just as silly to call Bush a Nazi.

How about playing up American Exceptionalism?

This current regime is apologizing to the WORLD for it.

Sad...really sad.

So, the current people in Washington are fascists for doing something a fascist wouldn't do? He has said that he believes in American exceptionalism, just like the British believe they are exceptional, and the French believe they are exceptional, etc. Essentially, everyone has the same inflated opinion of themselves.

By the way, do note, you and many others here are proof that the current government isn't fascist, because you can post opposition to its policies without getting a visit in the night from some Gestapo-esque entity.

 

[PixieStix]

I actually don't think many people support his policies, they just like the attention and love to call the right lots of really cool progressive names, like teabaggers. I think they lie. That is why they sound so silly

Though I could be wrong, they could be just moronic enough to support his policies

 

[Dr Grump]

Nevermind whatever FAILED core beliefs that you cling to?

Nice try to project upon ME...

Got it Ace?

My belief system is fine. That fact you see reds under the bed and Obama is sitting on the same pedestal as Trotsky, Mao and Lenin sums up how pathetic your position is...

 

[Jolie]

I get asked a lot by my stepfather the very same question, "Why do you support this guy?" I've thought about it, and my answer is, "I just like him."

And there in lies the problem. He is likable as a person. He is a horrible leader who is failing at every turn, and can only blame others, Point fingers, and appoint commissions. Millions of people are supporting him for the same reason you just gave, they just like him. Or in the case of Many Blacks, they support him just because he is black. I can't say I can blame them after what they have been through in this country. So I don't fault them as much as I do Libs like yourself. Who continue to support this guy despite failure after failure. just because you like him!

He is not "doing his best" to do what is right for America, He is doing his best to implement his rigid far left political Agenda, and that my friend is what your stepfather can see, because of his Age and experience, That you can not.

I asked for that. I'm not denying that I let my personal preferences cloud my judgement. But don't fault "me" or "libs like me". Talk to me, maybe I'll agree with you, or learn something in the process.

I'm not here to convert anyone to my way of thinking, just to throw ideas back and forth. I'm still young and trying to figure out all of these complicated, important issues. But I can't help how I feel. That wouldn't be honest, and frankly, I don't think I can conceal my personal biases forever, so I thought I'd put it all out there to begin with. Kind of like a disclosure.

And no, I don't think he's been a great leader with everything. But there are certain things he's done I respect. I think he's handled himself well under significant pressure. I think he's brought a higher level of intelligence to the job. But I will agree that I don't think he executes it well. The one arguement I will point out here is he didn't have enough experience for the role he took. Other presidents that lacked such experience had people around them to steer them right, Obama doesn't have that and the people he has appointed to "steer him right" are steering him wrong.

 

[Oddball]

And no, I don't think he's been a great leader with everything. But there are certain things he's done I respect. I think he's handled himself well under significant pressure. I think he's brought a higher level of intelligence to the job. But I will agree that I don't think he executes it well. The one arguement I will point out here is he didn't have enough experience for the role he took. Other presidents that lacked such experience had people around them to steer them right, Obama doesn't have that and the people he has appointed to "steer him right" are steering him wrong.

Have you given a moments consideration to the idea that he's being "steered" in directions that he's already predisposed to turn towards?

 

[Dr Grump]

I asked for that. I'm not denying that I let my personal preferences cloud my judgement. But don't fault "me" or "libs like me". Talk to me, maybe I'll agree with you, or learn something in the process.

I'm not here to convert anyone to my way of thinking, just to throw ideas back and forth. I'm still young and trying to figure out all of these complicated, important issues. But I can't help how I feel. That wouldn't be honest, and frankly, I don't think I can conceal my personal biases forever, so I thought I'd put it all out there to begin with. Kind of like a disclosure.

And no, I don't think he's been a great leader with everything. But there are certain things he's done I respect. I think he's handled himself well under significant pressure. I think he's brought a higher level of intelligence to the job. But I will agree that I don't think he executes it well. The one arguement I will point out here is he didn't have enough experience for the role he took. Other presidents that lacked such experience had people around them to steer them right, Obama doesn't have that and the people he has appointed to "steer him right" are steering him wrong.

He's an OK leader, not great, but then again, I can't think of the last time the US had a truly great leader. Maybe FDR (although the neocon wingnuts on this board would laugh at that).

Obama has done a lot of good things , and he is trying to fix the mess Bush left him. That's the irony of neocons - they are all for taking responsibility for ones own actions - except when it comes to one of their own...

 

[ConHog]

I get asked a lot by my stepfather the very same question, "Why do you support this guy?" I've thought about it, and my answer is, "I just like him."

And there in lies the problem. He is likable as a person. He is a horrible leader who is failing at every turn, and can only blame others, Point fingers, and appoint commissions. Millions of people are supporting him for the same reason you just gave, they just like him. Or in the case of Many Blacks, they support him just because he is black. I can't say I can blame them after what they have been through in this country. So I don't fault them as much as I do Libs like yourself. Who continue to support this guy despite failure after failure. just because you like him!

He is not "doing his best" to do what is right for America, He is doing his best to implement his rigid far left political Agenda, and that my friend is what your stepfather can see, because of his Age and experience, That you can not.

I asked for that. I'm not denying that I let my personal preferences cloud my judgement. But don't fault "me" or "libs like me". Talk to me, maybe I'll agree with you, or learn something in the process.

I'm not here to convert anyone to my way of thinking, just to throw ideas back and forth. I'm still young and trying to figure out all of these complicated, important issues. But I can't help how I feel. That wouldn't be honest, and frankly, I don't think I can conceal my personal biases forever, so I thought I'd put it all out there to begin with. Kind of like a disclosure.

And no, I don't think he's been a great leader with everything. But there are certain things he's done I respect. I think he's handled himself well under significant pressure. I think he's brought a higher level of intelligence to the job. But I will agree that I don't think he executes it well. The one arguement I will point out here is he didn't have enough experience for the role he took. Other presidents that lacked such experience had people around them to steer them right, Obama doesn't have that and the people he has appointed to "steer him right" are steering him wrong.

You say you're young, I don't know how young, but I have an 18 y/o son. he is beginning to educate himself for his first vote in November, and as I told him. There is nothing wrong with basing your decision partly on do you like a candidate. I mean that just makes sense , no one wants to vote for someone they don't like; but I encourage you to do some of the same things I encourage my own son to do. Don't take other people's words for things. Investigate for yourself, read some world history, investigate a candidate's history. Obama's history never passed the smell test for me. The Wright thing was a HUGE red flag. It should have been for anyone who honestly cared about equality under the law, we are seeing direct consequences of that in terms of racism coming from the Holder Justice Dept right now.

We are seeing proof of his lack of leadership skills by failure after failure, even seemingly inconsequential looking events like the AFOne flying over NYC for a photo opportunity point to a complete lack of leadership. A leader would have stood up and said "that was my fault and no one is losing their job over it, we screwed up" Obama threw a junior staffer under the bus and moved on.

But don't let any of these nincompoops tell you that Obama is a Marxist, he's not he definitely believes in a healthy does of socialism , but Marxist? No way. Same as the idiots who claim Bush was a NAZI. What a joke and an insult to everyone who died under the heel of real NAZIs.

In the end, all you can do is educate yourself , vote for who you feel is best, and yes take some shit if the guy turns out to be horrible like Obama and or Bush before him. But don't EVER let anyone tell you you're an idiot for casting your vote. Those people are the idiots.

End of rant.

 

[ConHog]

I asked for that. I'm not denying that I let my personal preferences cloud my judgement. But don't fault "me" or "libs like me". Talk to me, maybe I'll agree with you, or learn something in the process.

I'm not here to convert anyone to my way of thinking, just to throw ideas back and forth. I'm still young and trying to figure out all of these complicated, important issues. But I can't help how I feel. That wouldn't be honest, and frankly, I don't think I can conceal my personal biases forever, so I thought I'd put it all out there to begin with. Kind of like a disclosure.

And no, I don't think he's been a great leader with everything. But there are certain things he's done I respect. I think he's handled himself well under significant pressure. I think he's brought a higher level of intelligence to the job. But I will agree that I don't think he executes it well. The one arguement I will point out here is he didn't have enough experience for the role he took. Other presidents that lacked such experience had people around them to steer them right, Obama doesn't have that and the people he has appointed to "steer him right" are steering him wrong.

He's an OK leader, not great, but then again, I can't think of the last time the US had a truly great leader. Maybe FDR (although the neocon wingnuts on this board would laugh at that).

Obama has done a lot of good things , and he is trying to fix the mess Bush left him. That's the irony of neocons - they are all for taking responsibility for ones own actions - except when it comes to one of their own...

Please look up what a neocon is. you're continued misuse of it makes you look silly.

BTW I think CLinton was a good President. Bush was ok, and Obama stinks on ice.

 

[Dr Grump]

Please look up what a neocon is. you're continued misuse of it makes you look silly.

BTW I think CLinton was a good President. Bush was ok, and Obama stinks on ice.

I really wish there was a thread on here for Newby's to go to. The number of times I've had this "you don't know what a neocon is" argument with a conservative Newby makes this conversation tedious. Let's just say the meaning of the word has changed over time from Harrington's initial inception and it is what it is. You may not like it, but that's tough. Live with it...

I thought Clinton was a very good president, but the morals of a skunk. Bush the Elder wasn't too bad. Bush junior is beyond a joke and the worst president in living memory, if not the past 100 years....by a long shot....

 

[Jolie]

And no, I don't think he's been a great leader with everything. But there are certain things he's done I respect. I think he's handled himself well under significant pressure. I think he's brought a higher level of intelligence to the job. But I will agree that I don't think he executes it well. The one arguement I will point out here is he didn't have enough experience for the role he took. Other presidents that lacked such experience had people around them to steer them right, Obama doesn't have that and the people he has appointed to "steer him right" are steering him wrong.

Have you given a moments consideration to the idea that he's being "steered" in directions that he's already predisposed to turn towards?

Good point. He wouldn't be approving or supporting things, he himself didn't approve of. You got me there. I guess I have more of a problem with some of his "Congress" people, than I do him, so I tend to put more blame on them. Wow, how backwards can I be? I'll get it together. Give me time...

 

[Flopper]

Stock Market up almost 60% from the time he came into office
We have focused the war effort where our military leaders wanted in Afghanistan instead of Bush/Cheney Iraq war
The economy is turning around slowly with the majority of economic indicators are increasing while the majority were decreasing durring Bush's last months
He passed health reform. Presidents have been trying for 30 years without success. Dispite criticisim the majority of healthcare stocks since the bill was passed are up.
He passed a bipartisan bill to regulate Wall Street to prevent a reoccurrence of the melt down that happened durring the Bush Presidiency.
He has a 50% approval rate twice what Bush has. But more importantly twice the current congress's approval rating. The bigger problem is congress not Obama.

I agree. I would add that he's intelligent and articulate unlike his predecessor. He's an idealist but he's smart enough to be pragmatic. Lastly, he isn't afraid to tackle the big controversial issues.

You're gonna have to be a little-more specific.

Typically...in Teabaggerland....the big controversial issues are flag-burning & prayer-in-schools. ​

Specific? There is no need to repeat the ten thousand and one illiterate babblings of Bush. You can Google them your yourself. It should be clear to anyone that he is the best communicator since Reagan. There is no doubt that he is an idealist or he wouldn't be attaching the most difficult social problems we have. The healthcare bill certainly proves he's a pragmatist.

 

[Jolie]

I asked for that. I'm not denying that I let my personal preferences cloud my judgement. But don't fault "me" or "libs like me". Talk to me, maybe I'll agree with you, or learn something in the process.

I'm not here to convert anyone to my way of thinking, just to throw ideas back and forth. I'm still young and trying to figure out all of these complicated, important issues. But I can't help how I feel. That wouldn't be honest, and frankly, I don't think I can conceal my personal biases forever, so I thought I'd put it all out there to begin with. Kind of like a disclosure.

And no, I don't think he's been a great leader with everything. But there are certain things he's done I respect. I think he's handled himself well under significant pressure. I think he's brought a higher level of intelligence to the job. But I will agree that I don't think he executes it well. The one arguement I will point out here is he didn't have enough experience for the role he took. Other presidents that lacked such experience had people around them to steer them right, Obama doesn't have that and the people he has appointed to "steer him right" are steering him wrong.

He's an OK leader, not great, but then again, I can't think of the last time the US had a truly great leader. Maybe FDR (although the neocon wingnuts on this board would laugh at that).

Obama has done a lot of good things , and he is trying to fix the mess Bush left him. That's the irony of neocons - they are all for taking responsibility for ones own actions - except when it comes to one of their own...

Please look up what a neocon is. you're continued misuse of it makes you look silly.

BTW I think CLinton was a good President. Bush was ok, and Obama stinks on ice.

Can I ask you why? I'm not being a pain or anything, I want to know how you came to that decision. The only thing I remember about Clinton is saxaphone and stain, and I was just coming of years when Bush was elected. So I'm trying to figure it out, what do we look for in a good president? What makes them good or bad?

 

[bucs90]

The left continues to support him for the following reasons, IN ORDER:

1- Liberalism is a mental disorder
2- He's not Bush (They still can't let it go)
3- He's black (thats 50% of the reason they voted for him. Other 50% see #2)
4- Keith Olbermann is telling them to
5- Because the right doesn't like him (they would support Chavez if the right was opposed.....oh wait)

 

[Modbert]

The left continues to support him for the following reasons, IN ORDER:

1- Liberalism is a mental disorder
2- He's not Bush (They still can't let it go)
3- He's black (thats 50% of the reason they voted for him. Other 50% see #2)
4- Keith Olbermann is telling them to
5- Because the right doesn't like him (they would support Chavez if the right was opposed.....oh wait)

This coming from the same poster who wants the CIA to overthrow Obama. There you have it folks.

 

[bucs90]

He's an OK leader, not great, but then again, I can't think of the last time the US had a truly great leader. Maybe FDR (although the neocon wingnuts on this board would laugh at that).

Obama has done a lot of good things , and he is trying to fix the mess Bush left him. That's the irony of neocons - they are all for taking responsibility for ones own actions - except when it comes to one of their own...

Please look up what a neocon is. you're continued misuse of it makes you look silly.

BTW I think CLinton was a good President. Bush was ok, and Obama stinks on ice.

Can I ask you why? I'm not being a pain or anything, I want to know how you came to that decision. The only thing I remember about Clinton is saxaphone and stain, and I was just coming of years when Bush was elected. So I'm trying to figure it out, what do we look for in a good president? What makes them good or bad?

Clinton wasn't that bad. He was smart enough to cooperate with a Republican Congress and pass good budgets, and they cooperated to ride the dot com bubble to economic boom. He had faults though, and a root in the Fannie/Freddie fallout began under him.

Bush was good, imo, except two big things: Didn't seal the border, spent too much. Now, the war was unavoidable. We weren't just gonna take 9/11 on the chin. But had he sealed the border on 01-20-2001, and the rest played out how it did over 8 years, I'd put him in the top 10 presidents.

 

[Woyzeck]

The left continues to support him for the following reasons, IN ORDER:

1- Liberalism is a mental disorder
2- He's not Bush (They still can't let it go)
3- He's black (thats 50% of the reason they voted for him. Other 50% see #2)
4- Keith Olbermann is telling them to
5- Because the right doesn't like him (they would support Chavez if the right was opposed.....oh wait)

Ah, what medical journals can you cite saying that liberalism is a new mental disorder? The New England Journal of Medicine perhaps? The Journal of the American Medical Association? Perhaps there are some studies done on the subject, surely some steps must be underway in being taken to classify as such. If so, what sort of pills can we shove down people's throats to combat it?

 

[bucs90]

The left continues to support him for the following reasons, IN ORDER:

1- Liberalism is a mental disorder
2- He's not Bush (They still can't let it go)
3- He's black (thats 50% of the reason they voted for him. Other 50% see #2)
4- Keith Olbermann is telling them to
5- Because the right doesn't like him (they would support Chavez if the right was opposed.....oh wait)

This coming from the same poster who wants the CIA to overthrow Obama. There you have it folks.

Wow, you twisted my words. Big suprise. I said I wish someone in the CIA would talk him into resigning. For the damn sake of our national security. They have no authority to make him do it, of course, but they know more about the fragile state of our security and how much worse Obama is making it. They could provide enough proof to him that for the sake of the nation he should resign.

But again, thats assuming Obama cares that our nation remain the lone superpower of the world. Me? I think he wants that title stripped away from us. Not the "lone" part, the "superpower" part. I truly believe his mindset is for all nations on Earth to be equal in all realms of life, and thus, the USA must be brought to global standards. He's sure as hell working on that becoming reality.

 

[ConHog]

He's an OK leader, not great, but then again, I can't think of the last time the US had a truly great leader. Maybe FDR (although the neocon wingnuts on this board would laugh at that).

Obama has done a lot of good things , and he is trying to fix the mess Bush left him. That's the irony of neocons - they are all for taking responsibility for ones own actions - except when it comes to one of their own...

Please look up what a neocon is. you're continued misuse of it makes you look silly.

BTW I think CLinton was a good President. Bush was ok, and Obama stinks on ice.

Can I ask you why? I'm not being a pain or anything, I want to know how you came to that decision. The only thing I remember about Clinton is saxaphone and stain, and I was just coming of years when Bush was elected. So I'm trying to figure it out, what do we look for in a good president? What makes them good or bad?

About Clinton? Well, in MY case, I am from Arkansas and had both met the man and liked him and was generally happy with how he performed as Governor here, So I voted for him. I did well under his first four years, not that he was perfect, who is, but I did well. I voted for him again expecting more of the same. He had and still has no morals, but again I did well with him as President. Now of course it's pure hindsight and we know things he did wrong, we also know some things he did right, so I call him a good President. Could have been a great one if not for his moral issues.