How can the Black Community be Saved ?

[R.C. Christian]

Bill O'Riley provided some interesting points on the plight of the Black community.

Can America come together as one nation ? United we stand, divided we fall.

What will it take ?

Real leaders in the community...baby daddies that care for their children

That can't happen as long as their is no real family. The nuclear family as it's been called is virtually non-existent in the black community. Absence of family is the key to chaos so they should be given incentives to NOT reproduce in the inner cities.

 

[midcan5]

This is the world America has become since the age of Reagan, the age of cruelty.

""The closing of 49 public schools in Chicago implicates the human rights of children, their parents and guardians to non-discrimination and equality, to be free from violence, to education, and to participate in public policy decisions," the letter reads.

The closures violate prohibition of discrimination, because "African American children make up 42% of the students in Chicago’s public schools, but 80% of the children impacted by the school closures are African American," the letter declares.

Furthermore, the closures stand in "violation of the right of children to be free from violence":

When the school year begins in August 2013, approximately 30,000 children will be forced to attend new schools, many of which are farther from their homes than their original schools. Many Chicago neighborhoods are gang-controlled. When children or adults from one gang dominated neighborhood travel to another neighborhood or even from one block to another block they are at risk of violence even if they are not affiliated with any gang.
The gutting of Chicago's public schools violate children's' rights to quality education, as well as the democratic rights of communities to participate in decisions that affect their school systems, the letter charges."

Call For UN Intervention Against Human Rights Disaster Facing Chicago Schools | Common Dreams


In the mid fifties, "generosity was voted the most conspicuous American characteristic, followed by friendliness, understanding, piety, love of freedom, and progressivism. The American faults listed were petty: shallowness, egotism, extravagance, preoccupation with money, and selfishness." William Manchester, "The Glory and the Dream" quoting George Gallup's Institute of public opinion.

What a curious transformation has taken place in America since FDR and Eisenhower till Reagan. See long quote below. America now is the 'land of cruelty,' that pretends it is Christian, religious, and fair. Anyone who points out the disparities is criticized. Jesus would be a raving socialist in modern America. One can argue these issues forever so I'll take the liberty to quote quotes that touch on the topic and clearly show America has changed but not for the better, IMHO.

"“Reagan,” writes Wilentz, “embodied a new fusion of deeply conservative politics with some of the rhetoric and even a bit of the spirit of Franklin D. Roosevelt’s New Deal and of John F. Kennedy’s New Frontier.” But this embrace of progressive rhetoric and spirit did not actually reflect Reagan’s damaging policies, a fact Wilentz can’t help but document. A more accurate name for Wilentz’s book—and for the era—might be the Age of Cruelty. The reverence in which Americans of all political persuasion seem to hold Reagan today is absurd. As president, he created a phony—if romantic— picture of America’s past, a schoolboy’s fiction of a country forged by individualism. From this fiction came the dream that we could return to an earlier moral order in which citizens were supposedly freer. Of course, America was in part built by bold individualists, but it was also built by government investment in canals and railroads, in public water and urban sanitation systems, in highways, scientificc research, free K–12 education, college subsidies, and a legal system that encouraged competition while protecting private property. If Reagan brought Americans optimism, it was optimism based on false hopes and misleading facts." Jeff Madrick, Harper's Magazine, May 2013

"President Eisenhower describes his administration's political philosophy as 'dynamic conservatism,' then as 'progressive, dynamic conservatism,' then as 'progressive moderation,' then as 'moderate progressivism,' and then as 'positive progressivism.'" William Manchester

Excellent read if you want to understand contemporary America on the right.*

"A great transformation of American politics began during the years that Ronald Reagan was in the White House. This might not, at first, have appeared the likely outcome of his two administrations. Conservative activists (the same ones who would in later years celebrate Reagan as a saint) struggled during the 1980s with various disappointments: as president, Reagan did not end abortion, he met with Soviet leader Mikhail Corbachev, and he failed to eliminate the welfare state or even notably shrink government bureaucracies. And the enthusiasm within the business community that followed his election did not last long, as the economy sank into a deep recession, with unemployment rising to nearly 10 percent in 1982. As the manufacturing belt began to rust over, political conflicts between industrial companies desperately seeking subsidies and protection and those businesses that were able to thrive in global free markets grew more heated and intense. Tensions erupted between the owners of stock - newly confident and aggressive about using their financial power to compel management to do anything to raise returns - and career corporate executives. Today, the economic changes that began during the 1980s have an air of inevitability about them - the advent of globalization, the shift to a service economy. But at the time these transformations proved devastating to many of the manufacturing companies that had once most vociferously protested the New Deal.

And yet over the course of the decade the old skepticism toward business that had been born in the Great Depression and reawakened for a new generation in the Vietnam era finally began to disappear. The economic transformations of the decade would be interpreted through the framework of the free market vision. The 1970s campaigns to revive the image of capitalism among college students bore fruit in the 1980s. Universities created new centers for the study of business themes such as entrepreneurship. Students in Free Enterprise, a group started in 1975 to bring students together to "discuss what they might do to counteract the stultifying criticism of American business," thrived on small college campuses, funded by companies like Coors, Dow Chemical, and Walmart (as well as the Business Roundtable). The group organized battles of the bands, at which prizes would be doled out to the best pro-business rock anthems, helped silkscreen T-shirts with pro-capitalist messages, and created skits based on Milton Friedman's writings, which college students would perform in local elementary schools. In the workplace, the decline of the old manufacturing cities of [he North and Midwest and the rise of the sprawling suburbs of the Sunbelt metropolises marked the rise of a new economic culture, dominated by companies such as Walmart and Home Depot and Barnes & Noble." Kim Phillips-Fein ('Invisible Hands')

http://www.usmessageboard.com/polit...-really-believe-his-own-bs-4.html#post7600986


"Then the King will say to those on his right, 'Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.' "Then the righteous will answer him, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?' "The King will reply, 'Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.'" Matthew 25:34

 

[R.C. Christian]

True, but I don't think going to school is going to help much. At best it will will get them into a college scholarship. But in most instances they'll saddle themselves with a merciless Wall Street student debt that is unforgiving and will keep them screwed over in an increasingly unraveling economy with scant jobs that pay little.

They just need to stop reproducing and save their kids the burden of replicating their miserable existence.

 

[jwoodie]

True, but I don't think going to school is going to help much. At best it will will get them into a college scholarship. But in most instances they'll saddle themselves with a merciless Wall Street student debt that is unforgiving and will keep them screwed over in an increasingly unraveling economy with scant jobs that pay little.

Some day they will wake up and realize that the current education establishment is their worst enemy.

 

[Lonestar_logic]

I found Juan and Bill's piece kinda funny and ironic. The same argument could be made about whites in the lower classes of America. Does no one out there know them? Seems not. They face the same situation, call it whatever you like. Poverty breeds poverty, check out Appalachian sometime. Check out poor white sections of Philly. People who through birth have accumlated advantages think they earned these advantages, anyone out there who picked their parents, intelligence, and social class sign in here. What BS it all is. You wanna help the poor of all races, support jobs here, buy here, support a fair wage, tell those idiots in Congress to pass a jobs bill. Funny how Fox tells people to get a job while they support a Romney who exports jobs, can you spell hypocrite.

Black Unemployment Rate Rose in June to 13.7 Percent | News | BET

Read this book if you'd like to know some whys rather than finger pointing. 'The Betrayal of the American Dream' Donald L. Barlett, James B. Steele

excerpt:

"The ruling class thinks that the average American earns too much money. This is an unspoken belief, and one that most of them would no doubt vehemently deny. But the evidence is compelling. The elite show their hand in many ways:

• When they oppose raising the pay of the lowest-paid workers, those covered by the minimum wage

• When they encourage the export of good-paying jobs in fields such as information technology

• When they resist changes in the tax code that would protect American workers

Corporate executives contend that they are forced to relocate their operations to low-wage havens to remain competitive. In other words, their domestic workers earn too much. Never mind that manufacturing wages are lower in the United Stares than in a dozen other developed countries.

Thanks to the rules, many of which are written by corporations, a company can pull up stakes and use cheap foreign labor to make the same product it once did in America. It no longer has to meet environmental standards. It no longer has to abide by U.S. labor laws. It no longer has to pay a decent wage. Then the company can ship the product back to the United States where, courtesy of the rules, it will pay little if any duty. How can American workers hope to compete against that? They can't.

Lisa Gentner worked at a company called Carrollton Specialty Products, housed in a one-story warehouse in Moberly, Missouri, a town of 15,000 in central Missouri. Carrollton was a subcontractor for Hallmark Cards, the global greeting card giant based 125 miles west in Kansas City, Missouri. The largely female workforce of 200 provided the hand assembly for a variety of Hallmark products. They tied bows and affixed them to valentines and anniversary greetings. They glued buttons, rhinestones, and pop-ups inside birthday cards. They made gift baskets.

As in many towns across the country, the plant was an economic anchor for Moberly. Manufacturing is often pictured as a big-city enterprise, but a substantial number of plants are the lifeblood of small to medium-sized cities...."

Quote from p24 'Assault on the Middle Class' in 'The Betrayal of the American Dream' authors, Barlett and Steele.

What is a "fair wage"?

Question to difficult for you?

 

[bodecea]

I found Juan and Bill's piece kinda funny and ironic. The same argument could be made about whites in the lower classes of America. Does no one out there know them? Seems not. They face the same situation, call it whatever you like. Poverty breeds poverty, check out Appalachian sometime. Check out poor white sections of Philly. People who through birth have accumlated advantages think they earned these advantages, anyone out there who picked their parents, intelligence, and social class sign in here. What BS it all is. You wanna help the poor of all races, support jobs here, buy here, support a fair wage, tell those idiots in Congress to pass a jobs bill. Funny how Fox tells people to get a job while they support a Romney who exports jobs, can you spell hypocrite.

Black Unemployment Rate Rose in June to 13.7 Percent | News | BET

Read this book if you'd like to know some whys rather than finger pointing. 'The Betrayal of the American Dream' Donald L. Barlett, James B. Steele

excerpt:

"The ruling class thinks that the average American earns too much money. This is an unspoken belief, and one that most of them would no doubt vehemently deny. But the evidence is compelling. The elite show their hand in many ways:

• When they oppose raising the pay of the lowest-paid workers, those covered by the minimum wage

• When they encourage the export of good-paying jobs in fields such as information technology

• When they resist changes in the tax code that would protect American workers

Corporate executives contend that they are forced to relocate their operations to low-wage havens to remain competitive. In other words, their domestic workers earn too much. Never mind that manufacturing wages are lower in the United Stares than in a dozen other developed countries.

Thanks to the rules, many of which are written by corporations, a company can pull up stakes and use cheap foreign labor to make the same product it once did in America. It no longer has to meet environmental standards. It no longer has to abide by U.S. labor laws. It no longer has to pay a decent wage. Then the company can ship the product back to the United States where, courtesy of the rules, it will pay little if any duty. How can American workers hope to compete against that? They can't.

Lisa Gentner worked at a company called Carrollton Specialty Products, housed in a one-story warehouse in Moberly, Missouri, a town of 15,000 in central Missouri. Carrollton was a subcontractor for Hallmark Cards, the global greeting card giant based 125 miles west in Kansas City, Missouri. The largely female workforce of 200 provided the hand assembly for a variety of Hallmark products. They tied bows and affixed them to valentines and anniversary greetings. They glued buttons, rhinestones, and pop-ups inside birthday cards. They made gift baskets.

As in many towns across the country, the plant was an economic anchor for Moberly. Manufacturing is often pictured as a big-city enterprise, but a substantial number of plants are the lifeblood of small to medium-sized cities...."

Quote from p24 'Assault on the Middle Class' in 'The Betrayal of the American Dream' authors, Barlett and Steele.

What is a "fair wage"?

Question to difficult for you?

Oh, my sides!


I'm sorry...but that was really funny.

 

[R.C. Christian]

"to difficult"?

 

[Survivalist]

"Corporate executives contend that they are forced to relocate their operations to low-wage havens to remain competitive. In other words, their domestic workers earn too much. Never mind that manufacturing wages are lower in the United Stares than in a dozen other developed countries.

Thanks to the rules, many of which are written by corporations, a company can pull up stakes and use cheap foreign labor to make the same product it once did in America. It no longer has to meet environmental standards. It no longer has to abide by U.S. labor laws. It no longer has to pay a decent wage. Then the company can ship the product back to the United States where, courtesy of the rules, it will pay little if any duty. How can American workers hope to compete against that? They can't.

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Typical liberal viewpoints.

Of course organized labor bears no responisibility in jobs fleeing elsewhere. Labor unions may have been useful 100 years ago, but are now obsolete. They exsist primarly as a source of funds for Obama & Co.

Wonder why so many companies are pulling out of places like New York? In better states, there don't have the greedy/corrupt unions. They don't have as many frivolous lawsuits and worker compensation claims. They also don't have organized crime asking for a cut.

The Minimum Wage Act should be abolished. No further need for in it in America. Let the market dictate wages. If a company pays too low---the workers will go elsewhere.

The EPA needs to be thrown in trash dumpster---with all their lawyers. Endless obstructing paperwork and lawsuits drive busninesses away. Only states should have any say about laws concerning their own environment.

Obamacare is communism. Ban it. Other programs to toss out, HUD, HEW, Dept of Education (all fed funding of education has been a waste) and SNAP. Only commodities should be given---that is, real food direct from the farmer and local food processors.

Yes, yes, I know how much easier it is for lazy welfare rats to tear open a bag of chips than to cook a pot of rice or beans, but that will help them get off the couch. Win-win.

 

[AVG-JOE]

How can the Black Community be Saved?

Same thing that will save other communities...

Education.


It is the moral responsibility of each generation to find something for each and every little bastard in the next generation to do.

 

[AVG-JOE]

If it profit a man more to consider his employees as disposable, is there a moral reason he shouldn't pursue those extra profits?

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[Katzndogz]

If it profit a man more to consider his employees as disposable, is there a moral reason he shouldn't pursue those extra profits?

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Employees are disposable. Anyone who has ever been in business knows that. An employee can walk out the door for a smoke break and never come back. There is nothing an employer can do about it either.

 

[eots]

They could make this guy Americas first black president

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-cTLUCIMpo]George Zimmerman Is Not An Enemy Of Black People, But I Know Who Is! - YouTube[/ame]

 

[AVG-JOE]

If it profit a man more to consider his employees as disposable, is there a moral reason he shouldn't pursue those extra profits?

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Employees are disposable. Anyone who has ever been in business knows that. An employee can walk out the door for a smoke break and never come back. There is nothing an employer can do about it either.

So there is no moral reason, and dog should eat dog?

Survival of the most fit works and Evolution ROCKS!!

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[beagle9]

How can the Black Community be Saved ?

Bill O'Riley provided some interesting points on the plight of the Black community.

America come together as one nation ? United we stand, divided we fall.

What will it take ?

First off, you can't be saved unless you think there is a reason that someone needs to come and save you from yourself, so why does the whites even think that they have to always figure out how to save the "blacks", especially from themselves as is suggested here in the op-ed title? Otherwise if they (the blacks) don't feel that they need to be saved from themselves, and especially as a culture of people living in the ways that they want to live in America, then how can we the whites in America save them ? We can only help our fellow Americans of any color when and if it is needed that we should do this, and we can always help them in this way as Americans ourselves, and not as white people just as it should be.

Is this what you meant to say ? " How can we help Americans whom need help" in their lives ?

Now I think that the blacks see themselves as a very capable and proud people for whom don't see themselves as needing to be saved by the white people today, but more so about being helped by their fellow human beings of any race when it is warranted, and hec they probably never did think that the whites alone needed to save them in the first place ya know, but rather it was more so about the wanting of the whites to just work better with them, in order to help them gain better access, and more fair and equal treatment when living amongst the whites in a majority white society that they had lived in for a large part of their time here in America. They have been here and lived here in America as a very important part of it all through out the times now, and they are as full a citizens & Americans as anyone else is here in America right now today, and in some or many cases they can now help many Americans themselves just as well in America as Americans.

Now once upon a time they may have figured that the whites needed to stop abusing them as was the case during slavery and other places in time, but never did they see the whites as having to save the black race as a whole from themselves I don't think.

Could it be that many blacks may feel that they saved themselves thus far in history, and this by being smart whilst amongst the whites and/or around those who did or would possibly abuse them over the years, and not by being as dumb as some people may have thought that they were at any given time in history ?

Is this not insulting or inflammatory speak when a white person thinks or actually says, "now what can we do to save the blacks", especially here in 2013, and not in 1863 or 1962 ?

How about this instead - What can we do to educate ourselves more about the black Americans and their cultures, and also to help alleviate better our entrenched fears of black culture, and this in order to help us understand the black Americans and their cultures better, and yet only if they so choose for us to do so ?

How can we educate ourselves better as white people, to understand better the complexities of cultures found within or amongst this new and modern day multi-cultural society now, along with the unique characters and characteristics found within these cultures, and ultimately what it takes to live in harmony together as Americans in one nation under GOD, with liberty and justice for all (as Americans), and not as skin colors which has been a problem and miss-understanding in it all for way to long now ?

 

[Luddly Neddite]

This board has been a real education for me. Its naive of me I know, but I really thought racism was confined to a small minority of uneducated and stupid people.

Evidently, its a lot more common than I thought.

If we can't move beyond that, I don't see how we can ever see real change in our country.

 

[Lonestar_logic]

This board has been a real education for me. Its naive of me I know, but I really thought racism was confined to a small minority of uneducated and stupid people.

Evidently, its a lot more common than I thought.

If we can't move beyond that, I don't see how we can ever see real change in our country.

Racism is confined to a small minority of whites and a large majority of blacks.


Until you idiots can be honest further discussion is moot point.

 

[FA_Q2]

Step 1: stop trying to save ‘the blacks’ because that is a misnomer. You have to save yourself.

Step 2: you’re not involved so… there is no step 2.

How can the Black Community be Saved?

Same thing that will save other communities...

Education.


It is the moral responsibility of each generation to find something for each and every little bastard in the next generation to do.

Utterly meaningless without underlying cultural change. The facts are almost impossible to dispute – Blacks murder at a rate 5 times that of whites, they commit 30 percent of the crimes in this nation (and that 30 percent is represented far more heavily to violent crime) while only consisting of 12 percent of the population and they have a single mother rate that makes all other race statistics pale in comparison. That is not a matter of education, that is a matter of culture. You can’t educate those that do not want education and without the value base to start with. Asians continually beat out all other races in most metrics because they have a culture that is strongly rooted in family and education. THEY ensure that their children are educated no matter what schools are doing and they ensure that the family is central in importance.

The problems that the black community face are direct results of the culture and value base that they have. There is NOTHING that a white person can do about that either other than make it worse (demanding and trying to enforce change in culture is going to drive it deeper and create resentment rather than improvement). The black community is going to have to do that on its own and to tell the truth, in some ways it is. At least those blacks that want true change in this area do it for themselves whether or not others in the same demographic are following the example.

 

[AVG-JOE]

And WHAT, pray tell, foments a cultural change?


You guessed it:

Education.

Education.​

Education.​

 

[Luddly Neddite]

 

[Lonestar_logic]

So poor minorities are worth more than poor whites?

I always figured you to be racist. Thanks for the clarification.