How bad would the next attack have to be?

[glockmail]

Are various ethnicities given guarantees of homelands? I want a white christian homeland. Why is that worse?

Or I'd even settle for a multiracial homeland with borders and everything.

WHy are we guaranteeing that jews get their homeland, while we give ours away?

People are laughing at our stupidity.

I wasn't aware that christianity was an ethnicity.

We souldn't be giving our homeland away. Preaching to the choir there, babe.

 

[rtwngAvngr]

By the way, if you think for one minute that two posts from now I am going to let you draw parallels between Native Americans in the US and Palestinians in Israel you are highly mistaken. I have already stated that both countries were born differently and have disparate histories.

I'll make it. All land acquisitions are morally neutral. It's what people do to survive. The question is, Is israel worth it? TO US? Don't tell me it's for the war on terror when our borders are butt in the air wide open.

 

[CSM]

I'll make it. All land acquisitions are morally neutral. It's what people do to survive. The question is, Is israel worth it? TO US? Don't tell me it's for the war on terror when our borders are butt in the air wide open.

We already know where you stand. My debating the issue will not change your stance nor will it change mine.

 

[rtwngAvngr]

We already know where you stand. My debating the issue will not change your stance nor will it change mine.

We? Who's we? The internet viewing public? my fame is not that great.

Tell us all where I stand.

If breaking new ground is your prerequisite for making a post, you would have shut up a long time ago.

You just can't take the pressure of a full on RWA confrontation.

 

[rtwngAvngr]

I wasn't aware that christianity was an ethnicity.

We souldn't be giving our homeland away. Preaching to the choir there, babe.

Ethnicity is oftentimes a mixture of religious, regional, cultural and racial components.

Ever hear of a WASP?

White anglo saxon protestant.

 

[CSM]

We? Who's we? The internet viewing public? my fame is not that great.

Tell us all where I stand.

If breaking new ground is your prerequisite for making a post, you would have shut up a long time ago.

You just can't take the pressure of a full on RWA confrontation.

You flatter yourself.

When I say "we" I refer to thsoe who have read your posts in the past. Your litany of posts speak for itself and any who care can go look at them. Far be it from me to try to explain YOUR position...do your own work if you feel it needs clarification.

As for the pressure of a "full on RWA confrontation" again you flatter yourself. I save my ammo for far more worthy targets!

 

[rtwngAvngr]

You flatter yourself.

When I say "we" I refer to thsoe who have read your posts in the past. Your litany of posts speak for itself and any who care can go look at them. Far be it from me to try to explain YOUR position...do your own work if you feel it needs clarification.

As for the pressure of a "full on RWA confrontation" again you flatter yourself. I save my ammo for far more worthy targets!

There are new people here, members, viewers. They need the truth just as much as the regulars.


You're chicken.

 

[CSM]

There are new people here, members, viewers. They need to the truth just as much as the regulars.


You're chicken.

Oh yeah, you have me quaking in my boots.

Just ignore me and proceed to provide your "truth" to those who need it. I'll continue to discuss things with Jose, if that's all right with you.

 

[rtwngAvngr]

Oh yeah, you have me quaking in my boots.

Just ignore me and proceed to provide your "truth" to those who need it. I'll continue to discuss things with Jose, if that's all right with you.

Sure.

The Truth: The israelis have no greater claim to the land than the palestinians do. The chosen people stuff is RELIGIOUS DOGMA and as such, is no more justifiable than jihad. We COULD, however, still support israel if we felt it was to our advantage in some way. I personally believe the greater threat to the US is our open border situation, and our resources would be better spent closer to home.

 

[glockmail]

Ethnicity is oftentimes a mixture of religious, regional, cultural and racial components.

Ever hear of a WASP?

White anglo saxon protestant.

But Christ accepts all who accept him. Race or ethnicity is not a factor.

 

[dilloduck]

But Christ accepts all who accept him. Race or ethnicity is not a factor.

Does Christ reject those who reject him?

 

[glockmail]

Does Christ reject those who reject him?

I think he simply waits for them.

 

[Gunny]

Sorry, I didn’t adress your post.

I know there is a hot debate in the US about affirmative action but I think only cruel, mean, cold hearted people think the native people of the US do not deserve any kind of compensation for their historical losses.

I disagree. Just how far back in history do you want to go? If you get back to the 1300s, Britain owes me for a chunk of land in Scotland.

Point is, forcing people now to compensate other people now simply for their ancestry is BS. When these "native people" -- who btw moved other "native people" out when they got here -- lost, they just became victims like every other weaker society that fell to global expansion of the human race.

People NOW lost nothing, and deserve NOTHING for it

I think the US set an example to be followed by all american countries regarding the treatment of natives: equal citizenship, full civil rights, freedom to move and live anywhere they want in their historical homeland, financial compensation for the land they lost etc etc.

This is the way to overcome the racial dictatorships that existed in almost the entire american continent until recently and turn them into real democratic states.

I only wish Israel folowed this example.

The problem here is to find a way to conciliate the principles of a democratic state with the legitimate security concerns of the jewish people.

Ok... now it’s your turn to adress my previous post.

Tuba and I... are we in the same league or not? : )

Why on Earth would you wish to be in the same league with a dribbling fool?

 

[José]

Originally posted by GunnyL
When these "native people" lost, they just became victims like every other weaker society that fell to global expansion of the human race.

Gunny, remember when I promised you I would write and create a thread explaining the palestinian armed struggle?

Well, it took me an awful amount of time (cause I’m lazy LOL) but I finally made good on the promise.

At least some of you remember my series of threads entitled “On the Palestinian armed struggle”.

Now I’m gonna make you another promise and, hopefully, it won’t take that long to fulfill it.

I’m gonna write and create a series of thread showing my debates with a very knowleageable israeli citizen named Jorge.

The thread will be appropriately named “The Clash of the Titans”.

As its name suggests, this series of threads will send shockwaves throughout the US Message Board.

It will be an unforgettable historical milestone.

This thead will be composed by a main thread and several subthreads explaining the main issues of the main thread in a more detailed manner.

These are just some of the serious issues of extreme importance that will be addressed in the “Clash of the Titans” and its subthreads (and also some myths that will be pulverised):

“A complete analysis of ethnocracies or racial dictatorships and the differences between this kind of political system and a democratic state” (this will adress the issue you raised above).

The infamous “There’s no palestinian people” bullshit.

The “genocide, drive jews into the sea” cheap propaganda.

Etc etc etc...

This series of threads will cause such a commotion in the USMB that these are some of its possible outcomes:

Marx will have a stroke and possibly pass away (if this worst case scenario comes true, I will pay all the expenses related to the funeral and will attend the burial myself to give comfort to his widow and orphans).

My dear young man Hobbit (I like you, son) will stop playing his beloved video games.

Pale Rider will join La Raza

Kathianne and Bonnie will lose their faith in Christ.

Avatar will join the Taliban

Avenger will start having some doubts about the existence of the Illuminati (I know this one is hard to believe, but take it from me, IT CAN HAPPEN).

And the worst of all, William Joyce will dump his wife and marry Maria Conchita Alonso... Can you believe it???

I’m really afraid to write and post “The Clash of the Titans” because of the unintended consequences it can cause.

So I ask you to be patient again, Gunny.

“The Clash of the Titans” is on its way (if I’m brave enough to post it).

: )

 

[José]

Now let me adress the issues you raised in a serious manner. As I said before I consider this to be almost a moral obligation.

Originally posted by GunnyL
People NOW lost nothing, and deserve NOTHING for it

Look, Gunny, I don’t agree with welfare, unemployment bonus as it is implemented in America and Europe.

I also don’t believe in affirmative action.

The only thing I believe should continue to be implemented is what I discussed with CSM the fiscal incentives for indian business.

These fiscal incentives are clearly a compensation for their historical losses and it should be maintained because otherwise they will go bankrupt.

I said to CSM:

And they PROBABLY couldn’t resist the competition without this financial incentive.

Now I take back the word probably:

They CERTAINLY couldn’t resist the competition from white owned cassinos without these incentives.

Don’t be a cruel, mean, cold hearted man, Gunny.

Be a compassionate individual.

They need these fiscal incentives because they are much less integrated into the american society than blacks are and their businness simply cannot stand on their own.

So these fiscal incentives are the only thing that separates them from a even greater poverty.

Can you imagine the consequences if the US ended these incentives?

Their businesses would inevitably be shut down. It would be a national shame for the US a country that as I said is widely regarded as an example of a successful transition from a white racial dictatorship that it was until recently (sixties) like most american countries to a real democratic state.

As I said the US is an example to be followed by the entire american continent.

To be fair with the US and all other countries, it must be said these historical compensations are not a necessary condition for a country to be a democratic state.

These are the necessary conditions: equal citizenship, full civil rights, freedom to move and live anywhere they want in their historical homeland.

As CSM rightly pointed out, "interestingly enough, except for the "financial compensation for the land they lost" part ...every American citizen has the same benefits".

These are the benefits a democratic country must grant to its citizens. Historical compensations are only a plus.

But they help enhance the image of the US as a country that is compassionate towards its native population.

These economic incentives are the only kind of “compensation for historical losses” I support. You are free to agree or disagree with my position on this issue but you can’t deny it is a very moderate one.

 

[José]

Originally posted by GunnyL
Why on Earth would you wish to be in the same league with a dribbling fool?

Look Gunny If you search my posts you will see I was never interested in participate in the debates Tuba is constantly starting:

“The US sent 10 prisoners to foreign countries to be tortured there. Now the US is a terrorist nation.”

“The US congress allowed the executive branch to spy on american citizens. Now the USSR... I mean... the US is a dictatorship.”

I never wanted to participate for two main reasons.

First, these are all gross, childish misrepresentations of reality.

And second, as I said before, these are all minor issues that do not adress the root cause of the international crisis the world was thrown in in september, 2001: the completely dyfunctional nature of most if not all, middle eastern societies.

I’m not interested in debating these minor issues even if there is some truth in their core.

When he called the US a dictatorship I thought to myself:

“That’s it. I just can’t swallow that much bullshit.”

Now I give Tuba what I call the three little monkey treatment:

I don’t hear, I don’t speak and I don’t see.

 

[Gunny]

Gunny, remember when I promised you I would write and create a thread explaining the palestinian armed struggle?

Well, it took me an awful amount of time (cause I’m lazy LOL) but I finally made good on the promise.

At least some of you remember my series of threads entitled “On the Palestinian armed struggle”.

Now I’m gonna make you another promise and, hopefully, it won’t take that long to fulfill it.

I’m gonna write and create a series of thread showing my debates with a very knowleageable israeli citizen named Jorge.

The thread will be appropriately named “The Clash of the Titans”.

As its name suggests, this series of threads will send shockwaves throughout the US Message Board.

It will be an unforgettable historical milestone.

This thead will be composed by a main thread and several subthreads explaining the main issues of the main thread in a more detailed manner.

These are just some of the serious issues of extreme importance that will be addressed in the “Clash of the Titans” and its subthreads (and also some myths that will be pulverised):

“A complete analysis of ethnocracies or racial dictatorships and the differences between this kind of political system and a democratic state” (this will adress the issue you raised above).

The infamous “There’s no palestinian people” bullshit.

The “genocide, drive jews into the sea” cheap propaganda.

Etc etc etc...

This series of threads will cause such a commotion in the USMB that these are some of its possible outcomes:

Marx will have a stroke and possibly pass away (if this worst case scenario comes true, I will pay all the expenses related to the funeral and will attend the burial myself to give comfort to his widow and orphans).

My dear young man Hobbit (I like you, son) will stop playing his adored video games.

Pale Rider will join La Raza

Kathianne and Bonnie will lose their faith in Christ.

Avatar will join the Taliban

Avenger will start having some doubts about the existence of the Illuminati (I know this one is hard to believe, but take it from me, IT CAN HAPPEN).

And the worst of all, William Joyce will dump his wife and marry Maria Conchita Alonso... Can you believe it???

I’m really afraid to write and post “The Clash of the Titans” because of the unintended consequences it can cause.

So I ask you to be patient again, Gunny.

“The Clash of the Titans” is on its way (if I’m brave enough to post it).

: )

I think you have lost your mind, and unfortunately for you, there are no TRUE facts that will support the argument you propose to make.

"True" Palestinians were integrated into the Arab/Islamic culture centuries ago.

And, it is the stated goal of more than one ME nation -- Syria and Iran come to mind right off the top of my head -- to rid the Middle East of Israel. I don't know how YOU wish to define that, but driving them into the sea fits the bill rather nicely.

 

[Gunny]

Now let me adress the issues you raised in a serious manner. As I said before I consider this to be almost a moral obligation.



Look, Gunny, I don’t agree with welfare, unemployment bonus as it is implemented in America and Europe.

I also don’t believe in affirmative action.

The only thing I believe should continue to be implemented is what I discussed with CSM the fiscal incentives for indian business.

These fiscal incentives are clearly a compensation for their historical losses and it should be maintained because otherwise they will go bankrupt.

I said to CSM:

And they PROBABLY couldn’t resist the competition without this financial incentive.

Now I take back the word probably:

They CERTAINLY couldn’t resist the competition from white owned cassinos without these incentives.

Don’t be a cruel, mean, cold hearted man, Gunny.

Be a compassionate individual.

They need these fiscal incentives because they are much less integrated into the american society than blacks are and their businness simply cannot stand on their own.

So these fiscal incentives are the only thing that separates them from a even greater poverty.

Can you imagine the consequences if the US ended these incentives?

Their businesses would inevitably be shut down. It would be a national shame for the US a country that as I said is widely regarded as an example of a successful transition from a white racial dictatorship that it was until recently (sixties) like most american countries to a real democratic state.

As I said the US is an example to be followed by the entire american continent.

To be fair with the US and all other countries, it must be said this historical compensations are not a necessary condition for a country to be a democratic state.

These are the necessary conditions: equal citizenship, full civil rights, freedom to move and live anywhere they want in their historical homeland.

As CSM rightly pointed out, "interestingly enough, except for the "financial compensation for the land they lost" part ...every American citizen has the same benefits".

These are the benefits a democratic country must grant to its citizens. Historical compensations are only a plus.

But they help enhance the image of the US as a country that is compassionate towards its native population.

These economic incentives are the only kind of “compensation for historical losses” I support. You are free to agree or disagree with my position on this issue but you can’t deny it is a very moderate one.

I am not discussing handouts or anything else. You are the one proposing the handouts by propping these "Native Americans" up and paying them money they have neither earned, nor deserve. Nothing cruel, mean nor cold-hearted about it.

Since you have chosen to compare native Americans to blacks, I will point out that native Americans have had pretty-much the same amount of time and opportunities to assimilate. I don't believe in paying ancestors of former slaves reparations for something they never suffered nor were a part of any more than I believe in paying reparations to native Americans for something they never suffered nor were a part of, and I, as "Mr White America" REFUSE to be held accountable for what other white people did without my knowledge, agreement, nor compliance.

In other words, this going back to some arbitrary date in history that suits the purposes of the people or peoples looking to scam a freebie is just pure BS.

 

[trobinett]

I am not discussing handouts or anything else. You are the one proposing the handouts by propping these "Native Americans" up and paying them money they have neither earned, nor deserve. Nothing cruel, mean nor cold-hearted about it.

Since you have chosen to compare native Americans to blacks, I will point out that native Americans have had pretty-much the same amount of time and opportunities to assimilate. I don't believe in paying ancestors of former slaves reparations for something they never suffered nor were a part of any more than I believe in paying reparations to native Americans for something they never suffered nor were a part of, and I, as "Mr White America" REFUSE to be held accountable for what other white people did without my knowledge, agreement, nor compliance.

In other words, this going back to some arbitrary date in history that suits the purposes of the people or peoples looking to scam a freebie is just pure BS.

I'm a Native American, Cherokee to be exact, and I TOTALLY agree with GunnyL.

We've ALL had the same opportunities, most take good advantage of the ones that come their way, I did.

Serving in the Army put me through college, and has allowed me to raise my children in a manner that I wasn't afforded. Though I never held that against my parents.

Actually don't think the casino's are a "bad thing" for the Indian Nations, my problem is that THEY don't take good advantage of the opportunity.

 

[José]

Trobinet

Let’s think about it for a while.

If you think indian casinos are not a bad thing (and most experts in indian casinos agree with you) then you also agree with me when I say these two things:

1 - Indian casinos must continue to be exempted from taxes (totally or partially, this is a minor issue).

2 – They must continue to have exclusive rights to operate in a specific region.

Everybody knows that without these two measures, indian casinos wouldn’t last two weeks against Trump and company.

Most of them would be shut down and, at best, they would barely survive without fulfilling their purpose: the generation of income to improve the lives of indian communities (I agree with you when you say the communities do not take good advantage of the opportunity but bad with them, worse without them).

And, Gunny, don’t give me “these tax exemptions are bleeding the US economy” bullshit cause I’m just a little retarded, but not much, just a little bit : )

This “argument” is demagoguery at its best.

Tax exemptions for indian casinos is peanuts for the richest nation in the history of mankind.